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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:23 AM May 2016

Democrats see Hillary Clinton-Elizabeth Warren dream ticket

Democrats are openly pulling for Hillary Clinton to pick Elizabeth Warren as her running mate.

Amid concerns that supporters of Bernie Sanders will stay home on Election Day, writes the Hill, a number of Democrats see a Clinton-Warren alliance as an all-woman dream team capable of igniting enthusiasm in the progressive base. Jamal Simmons, a Democratic strategist, told the Hill the longer Sanders stays in the race, the more likely Clinton will select Massachusetts Sen. Warren. He said Warren “solves so many problems: enthusiasm, women, young liberals, older white liberals.” The Hill writes Clinton insiders have been asked about their thoughts on Warren, among other possible vice presidential picks.

It would also eliminate the pro-Wall Street storyline that has haunted Clinton’s campaign throughout the primary season, Clinton allies believe.

Democratic strategist and presidential campaign veteran Jamal Simmons said the longer Sanders stays in the race, the more likely Clinton will select Warren.


http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/279306-dems-see-clinton-and-warren-as-dream-team

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Democrats see Hillary Clinton-Elizabeth Warren dream ticket (Original Post) cal04 May 2016 OP
Not only does that neutralize Warren, it's going to give more gullible Sanders supporters VulgarPoet May 2016 #1
If they believe Bernie can accomplish his agenda they'll believe anything. Renew Deal May 2016 #11
Here's another one who never listened... MrMickeysMom May 2016 #39
Where is that list of accomplishments? Renew Deal May 2016 #40
My prediction is that Hillary will find it hard finding a VP. Elizabeth Warren won't rescue Hillary. Baobab May 2016 #41
You also predicted Bernie would win. Renew Deal May 2016 #46
Hillary has not won, and for her to get the nomination is suicide for the Democratic Party. Baobab May 2016 #47
The Democratic Party has weighed the options and chosen the candidate they feel is better. Renew Deal May 2016 #54
They certainly did...all in for Hillary. And she's clearly just the libdem4life May 2016 #78
LOL workinclasszero May 2016 #72
There are always plenty of people with more ambition than sense AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #109
See if you can keep a few thoughts separated with this... MrMickeysMom May 2016 #51
Speeches Renew Deal May 2016 #52
I am done that final attempt... MrMickeysMom May 2016 #59
That's the extensive list I expected Renew Deal May 2016 #62
He could easily accomplish his agenda if Progressives really voted for what they want instead of highprincipleswork May 2016 #66
It would be a great ticket Demsrule86 May 2016 #2
Would you if she had run against Clinton in the primary? Armstead May 2016 #38
Historic! Or more like Herstoric! JaneyVee May 2016 #3
It causes the word to make no sense. But sure. Go for it n/t SheenaR May 2016 #58
left out Hysteric. libdem4life May 2016 #81
Not all Democrats liberalnarb May 2016 #4
I guess you're gonna have to work on that top part... brooklynite May 2016 #15
Ok, we'll work on it in... liberalnarb May 2016 #16
Might want to pick up the pace on NJ and CA brooklynite May 2016 #50
must be why Republicans 'presidential' choice Trump mocked Senator Warren recently. Sunlei May 2016 #5
Sorry, but that would say a lot more about Warren than Clinton. Skwmom May 2016 #6
I believe THIS is the fact people are missing yourpaljoey May 2016 #53
Yeah, she would definitely be under that bus in a heartbeat. n/t JTFrog May 2016 #63
As much as I would love it. NCTraveler May 2016 #7
I give Warren more credit... TCJ70 May 2016 #8
Agreed. Warren wouldn't want it. n/t CanadaexPat May 2016 #104
sorry, but there is too much fucking misogyny out there for such an idea. It's going CTyankee May 2016 #9
Um, nope. It would just be massively obvious pandering, with the bonus, for Third Way Hillary, of djean111 May 2016 #10
Warren would be a massively good Vp, no pandering. Two women, you betcha. I would prefer Castro seabeyond May 2016 #19
Warren would make a great President. Which is exctly why Hillary wont pick her. Baobab May 2016 #42
You people are a hoot. Clinton so stupid she is gonna make sure she picks a lousy VP. seabeyond May 2016 #45
We're ridiculed because we're challenging the status quo. Period. Fawke Em May 2016 #57
Nu uh. No way is Clinton going to pick a good VP, she is Clinton after all. Whatever. seabeyond May 2016 #68
She's not known for a good decision making. eom Fawke Em May 2016 #101
Well, if she picks empty suit Castro, she'll accomplish the "lousy" part. BlueStater May 2016 #110
Just a whole post of snotty insults of Dems. seabeyond May 2016 #118
She doesn't want one thats smarter than her. Baobab May 2016 #117
You are just making up shit to insult Clinton. Who does that? seabeyond May 2016 #119
Warren's honesty, her trustworthiness, her progressivism, her selflessness mitigate Hillary's flaws Vote2016 May 2016 #12
Your perceived Clinton flaws that are not reality. I think Warren respects Clinton and they would seabeyond May 2016 #20
Warren's level of respect for Hillary shows. Castro is ideologically what you would expect from a Vote2016 May 2016 #121
Fast Track runs for SIX YEARS and FTAS sign away rights forever Baobab May 2016 #120
cali—Elizabeth Warren should be at the top of the ticket! Lead, not supporting, role. CobaltBlue May 2016 #13
I would vote for an Elizabeth Warren Presidency in a second. Baobab May 2016 #43
+1 Go Vols May 2016 #115
Yeah that's the ticket Autumn May 2016 #14
Words can scarce express how disappointed I'd be in Warren if she accepted. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #17
That makes no sense. We Bernie supporters are misogynist, homophobic racists. ieoeja May 2016 #18
And look at the replies from Sanders supporters. Warren, under the bus you would go. seabeyond May 2016 #21
Of course, I'm anti-Warren. She is a woman. I am a Bernie supporter. I hate women. ieoeja May 2016 #23
Hey, I am a believer we get to define ourselves. So go at it haus. seabeyond May 2016 #25
Where do you see that? TCJ70 May 2016 #61
Warren appears to respect Clinton, and Clinton respects Warren. That is a good thing our seabeyond May 2016 #70
So you're making stuff up... TCJ70 May 2016 #71
I at least have evidence the two seems to be respectful of each other. You though, have nothing. seabeyond May 2016 #74
I asked you where you see Sanders supporters trashing her... TCJ70 May 2016 #85
I know you think you are being sarcastic; but, some of you have show to be just that. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #33
Yes, Bernie does have some bigoted supporters. So does Hillary. Remember 2008? Hillary actually ... ieoeja May 2016 #37
Actually if you looked at exit polls she is losing the white working class voters she won in 08 DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #48
True.As some undoubtedly support her now simply because she *tried* to stop the Black guy in 2008.nt ieoeja May 2016 #56
The data... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #64
True. As some undoubtedly support her now simply because she is trying to stop the Jewish guy. ieoeja May 2016 #67
Yes. I remember 2008. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #60
I think you have an unintended double negative in there. ieoeja May 2016 #65
Yes ... that is correct ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #69
You just called me a liar. It would seem to be that you are the one who is projecting. ieoeja May 2016 #73
If that is the way you wish to interpret it; then, I can't help that ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #75
DU has its share of really stupid people. But you don't seem stupid enough to believe your posts. nt ieoeja May 2016 #77
I'm not going to crazyville with you ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #83
I'm not even sure what to do with this 1strong JustAnotherGen May 2016 #86
Perhaps, this is the "gaslighting" that we hear so much about. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #89
Yep - however your JustAnotherGen May 2016 #96
Phew ... I was becoming concerned! 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #98
No - you are fine JustAnotherGen May 2016 #102
I know ... This past year has taught me such restraint ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #103
He called me "crazy" and a liar before I called him stupid. ieoeja May 2016 #106
Let me think about it . . . JustAnotherGen May 2016 #111
No, you're going to stupidtown. ieoeja May 2016 #91
The more you post the more unhinged you appear ... Let's call it a day. The drinks are on me. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #92
"Racists really are that stupid" = "unhinged"? n/t ieoeja May 2016 #97
Can you point to data that indicates DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #93
I can introduce you to some people I know who are doing that. ieoeja May 2016 #94
See there's that crazy again ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #99
Care to give straight, non-snarky answers for a change? ieoeja May 2016 #105
I'm too stupid to do that ... Remember? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #107
Warren is a dream candidate... Orsino May 2016 #22
They assume Warren would sell her soul to be Hillary's shadow? Ino May 2016 #24
You assume Warren would have to sell her soul to work with Clinton; all indications shows otherwise. seabeyond May 2016 #26
Can see it now...Elizabeth, you go tell those guys to cut it out. K? libdem4life May 2016 #87
Sloppy verbiage Trajan May 2016 #27
Only the braindead and the hopelessly disingenuous farleftlib May 2016 #28
Whomever she picks should shore her up with the base/likely D voters BeyondGeography May 2016 #29
clinton needs to be not out-shone. oldandhappy May 2016 #30
I prefer her in the Senate... she has a much stronger voice there. n/t demmiblue May 2016 #31
Clinton would never accept a VP that would outthink, outspeak, and generally outclass her tularetom May 2016 #32
Not a Freaking Chance FreakinDJ May 2016 #34
I'd vote for that ticket hueymahl May 2016 #35
Warren would not agree to such a matchup, this is just Hillary trying to woo NorthCarolina May 2016 #36
Half dream (Warren), half nightmare whatchamacallit May 2016 #44
This would unite the party but Hillary is too selfish to nominate a running-mate who is better liked Attorney in Texas May 2016 #49
Never happen. Fawke Em May 2016 #55
Exactly nt wendylaroux May 2016 #76
Someone like Bloomberg would fit her to a "T". [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #80
Absoultely, it won't happen. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #84
Warren has a say in this and I think if selected, Warren will say no. notadmblnd May 2016 #79
If... Mike Nelson May 2016 #82
Elizabeth Warren 3hummingbirds May 2016 #88
Maybe while she's over in the Republican Donor Waiting Room libdem4life May 2016 #90
So...Hillary would choose her polar opposite? Sure...makes sense... lagomorph777 May 2016 #95
Warren isn't that stupid but Clinton is that desperate Ferd Berfel May 2016 #100
To unite the party PATRICK May 2016 #108
VP is a 'shut up and do as you're told' position Ferd Berfel May 2016 #114
HRC will not offer it, if she did, EW would not accept. Take it to the bank. Hiraeth May 2016 #112
I'd say . . . A FEW Democrats MIGHT see Hillary-Warren as a dream ticket pdsimdars May 2016 #113
I'm a Democrat and that is not my dream ticket. Punkingal May 2016 #116

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
1. Not only does that neutralize Warren, it's going to give more gullible Sanders supporters
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:29 AM
May 2016

the idea that Clinton actually gives a fuck about the issues they find the most pressing. Pass.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
39. Here's another one who never listened...
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:32 AM
May 2016

that BERNIE accomplishes his agenda.... Yep! NOBODY ELSE is involved.

You haven't listened to a God Damned Thing he has been saying. Pure exposure of ignorance there.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
41. My prediction is that Hillary will find it hard finding a VP. Elizabeth Warren won't rescue Hillary.
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:38 AM
May 2016

Hillary will have trouble finding a running mate. She is already at the Nixon stage of dysfunction.

Nobody in their right mind would want to tie their future to hers.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
47. Hillary has not won, and for her to get the nomination is suicide for the Democratic Party.
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016

Does the Party want to commit seppaku? Ritual self-disembowelment?

You likely are a better judge of THAT than I.

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
54. The Democratic Party has weighed the options and chosen the candidate they feel is better.
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:02 PM
May 2016

I look forward to working with you to advance a Democratic agenda.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
78. They certainly did...all in for Hillary. And she's clearly just the
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:09 PM
May 2016

choice of The Democratic Establishment. But not the General Public. Bit of a disconnect, but I'll grant that she's likely to draw it out to the bitter end.

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
109. There are always plenty of people with more ambition than sense
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:56 PM
May 2016

I'm sure she'll find someone suitably craven.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
51. See if you can keep a few thoughts separated with this...
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:58 AM
May 2016

I'm sure someone has wasted your time before trying to deliver you the information in the form of an engraved invitation. I'm done doing that with baiters. You either prepare yourself as a Democrat as I did by examining the candidates, or you don't. You shouldn't need more than that, unless you want to purposely fuck with someone. I'm not one to suffer fools...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280193468

For his full resume, go here: http://www.sanders.senate.gov

Be sure and ask the waitress for extra napkins and location of the restroom.

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
52. Speeches
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:00 PM
May 2016

That's pretty much what I expected. Still waiting for Single Payer to be enacted in VT. How's it going?

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
59. I am done that final attempt...
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:04 PM
May 2016

Speeches rhymes with beaches... I suggest you get some fresh air, cause it ain't helping you on this thread. Maybe you'll "renew" yourself!

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
62. That's the extensive list I expected
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:07 PM
May 2016

And maybe that's Bernie's problem. He has an admirable list of proposals, but he has no plan to enact them and no track record of accomplishment.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
66. He could easily accomplish his agenda if Progressives really voted for what they want instead of
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:20 PM
May 2016

what they are told is "realistic". And by Progressives I mean most of the American people, who hold Progressive ideas and only need someone to actually represent them. If we're not careful, for some of them that will mean Trump, at least on issues like trade and the economy.

Wouldn't want to be on a sports team with any of the severe doubters around here, because all we'd do is lose, lose, lose.

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
15. I guess you're gonna have to work on that top part...
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:06 AM
May 2016

Clinton: 1,704 Pledged Delegates
Sanders: 1,421 Pledged Delegates

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
16. Ok, we'll work on it in...
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:09 AM
May 2016

West Virginia
Kentucky
Oregon
The Virgin Islands
Puerto Rico
California
Montana
New Jersey
New Mexico
North Dakota
South Dakota
and DC

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
5. must be why Republicans 'presidential' choice Trump mocked Senator Warren recently.
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:35 AM
May 2016

Imagine where America would be today if our President Mocks everyone like only a Republican Bagger can mock countries, religions, Mexicans and even our own Senators and Congress.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
6. Sorry, but that would say a lot more about Warren than Clinton.
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:36 AM
May 2016

Also, the fact that she praised Clinton's bogus plan for the big banks was really telling.

yourpaljoey

(2,166 posts)
53. I believe THIS is the fact people are missing
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:02 PM
May 2016

"the fact that she praised Clinton's bogus plan for the big banks was really telling."

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. As much as I would love it.
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:36 AM
May 2016

I think EW will be her greatest strength in the senate. Different than Sanders, she understands human nature and the complexities of the issues. Both important qualities in a legislator.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
8. I give Warren more credit...
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:36 AM
May 2016

...than to team up to be used by Hillary. I also doubt she'd want her name associated with whatever stupidity Hillary might try to do militarily.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
9. sorry, but there is too much fucking misogyny out there for such an idea. It's going
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:54 AM
May 2016

to be hard enough to get a woman elected president in the first place.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
10. Um, nope. It would just be massively obvious pandering, with the bonus, for Third Way Hillary, of
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:28 AM
May 2016

neutralizing Warren - getting Warren out of the Senate, where the Third Way whines she is "getting out of hand".

Not voting based on gender. Voting based on issues. So very hard to understand for some.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
19. Warren would be a massively good Vp, no pandering. Two women, you betcha. I would prefer Castro
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:29 AM
May 2016

and Warren in a cabinet or stay in Senate. But, it would be an awesomely powerful ticket of women.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
42. Warren would make a great President. Which is exctly why Hillary wont pick her.
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:41 AM
May 2016

Nor would Hillary's new backers let her pick EW.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
45. You people are a hoot. Clinton so stupid she is gonna make sure she picks a lousy VP.
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:45 AM
May 2016

And you wonder why you are ridiculed.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
110. Well, if she picks empty suit Castro, she'll accomplish the "lousy" part.
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:26 PM
May 2016

If she puts that untested lightweight on her ticket, it will only prove what many of us have long suspected of her: she's a craven, pandering politician who would do anything to win and puts what she thinks is best for her ahead of what's best for the country.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
12. Warren's honesty, her trustworthiness, her progressivism, her selflessness mitigate Hillary's flaws
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:32 AM
May 2016
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
20. Your perceived Clinton flaws that are not reality. I think Warren respects Clinton and they would
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:31 AM
May 2016

work really well together. I think so many comments on this thread are bogus, hence speaking up. I prefer Warren elsewhere, but she would be a kick ass Vp and they would be an even better team. I prefer Castro. But Warren would be great and fun, too.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
121. Warren's level of respect for Hillary shows. Castro is ideologically what you would expect from a
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:07 PM
May 2016

Texas Democrat, but I'd like to see a young Hispanic on the ticket (I'd prefer a young PROGRESSIVE Hispanic, but 2 out of 3 ain't bad)

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
120. Fast Track runs for SIX YEARS and FTAS sign away rights forever
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:33 PM
May 2016

For six years America is in mortal danger. One corrupt Presidential pen stroke could sign away everything worth stealing forever.

Look at how GATS has screwed up health care.

At least a million Americans have died unnecessarily in these 20 years.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
43. I would vote for an Elizabeth Warren Presidency in a second.
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:43 AM
May 2016

If the Democratic Party would pick her, but unless something has changed for the better, they wouldn't.

There are a number of other women who would make great VPs.

I would LOVE to see a ticket with two women on it.

I do not see Hillary Clinton as being a good first female President. I do want to see a female President.

One who represents the best qualities of all women and who is in fact supportive of the interests and values of American women .

Which is not Clinton. She is not a person who is helpful to American women - she is for corporations.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
17. Words can scarce express how disappointed I'd be in Warren if she accepted.
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:18 AM
May 2016

Particularly after Princess Weathervane's (expected) hard lurch to the right now that she thinks she has the nomination locked up...

Real or just for show, Liz?

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
18. That makes no sense. We Bernie supporters are misogynist, homophobic racists.
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:24 AM
May 2016

They've spent the entire race throwing our misogyny in our face, and now they think we would vote for an all female ticket? That only makes sense if they were lying about our misogyny this whole time.

And surely they wouldn't have done something that despicable.


 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
23. Of course, I'm anti-Warren. She is a woman. I am a Bernie supporter. I hate women.
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:34 AM
May 2016

I know that's true because DU told me so.


 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
70. Warren appears to respect Clinton, and Clinton respects Warren. That is a good thing our
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:26 PM
May 2016

representatives are like... adults. Respectful, valuing each other. Makes working together a productive endeavor. Not the immature, childish dissing for nothing else but pettiness.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
74. I at least have evidence the two seems to be respectful of each other. You though, have nothing.
Tue May 10, 2016, 01:57 PM
May 2016

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
85. I asked you where you see Sanders supporters trashing her...
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

...you responded with something about mutual respect. Your response had nothing to do with my post. Whether they respect each other has nothing to do with anything or the potential reasons she may or may not be comfortable being her VP.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
37. Yes, Bernie does have some bigoted supporters. So does Hillary. Remember 2008? Hillary actually ...
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:29 AM
May 2016

... appealed to their bigotry.

Do you seriously think Hillary is not getting a ton of support this year from people who love her because she tried to stop the n***** in 2008?


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
48. Actually if you looked at exit polls she is losing the white working class voters she won in 08
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:53 AM
May 2016

Actually if you looked at exit polls you will see she is losing the white working class voters she won in 08. Some of my fellow Democrats will support a white female Democrat when she runs against an African American male Democrat but will not support her when she runs against a white male Democrat:

Once you get past places in Vermont on the list of the worst counties for Hillary Clinton so far in the primaries, you quickly arrive at Coal County, Okla., where she won just 19 percent of the vote.

Mrs. Clinton’s profound weakness in a county named “Coal” is not because of her comments about shutting down coal mines, as one might expect. Those comments came after the Oklahoma primary.

It’s because Coal County, like much of the traditionally Democratic parts of the South, has a huge number of registered Democrats who now vote Republican in presidential elections. In the states with closed or semi-closed contests — like Oklahoma — these registered Democrats can participate only in the Democratic primary.

When they do, they have tended to vote against Hillary Clinton (and for Bernie Sanders, the senator from Vermont).


Coal County, Okla., is one of the most extreme examples. There, 80 percent of voters are registered Democrats, yet President Obama won just 27 percent of the vote in 2012. Mrs. Clinton has performed very poorly where the share of voters who are registered Democrats is much greater than the share of voters who supported Mr. Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/10/upshot/where-democrats-like-hillary-clinton-the-least-besides-vermont.html?smid=tw-upshotnyt&smtyp=cur


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
64. The data...
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:13 PM
May 2016

The data suggests they embraced her in 08 because she was running against an African American. Now that she is running against a white candidate they are eschewing her.

When this primary season started I thought Clinton would win handily because she would win all the demographic groups she won in 08 and add African Americans. It became more difficult for her because she is losing the white working class voters she overwhelmingly won in 08. In retrospect it wasn't so much they liked her but they they didn't like her opponent.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
67. True. As some undoubtedly support her now simply because she is trying to stop the Jewish guy.
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:20 PM
May 2016

And props to her for not actually appealing to religious bigotry this time.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
60. Yes. I remember 2008.
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:06 PM
May 2016
Do you seriously think Hillary is not getting a ton of support this year from people who love her because she tried to stop the n***** in 2008?


No ... I do not think HRC is not getting support this year from people who love her because she tried to stop the n***** in 2008.

Where do you come up with this crap?

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
65. I think you have an unintended double negative in there.
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:16 PM
May 2016

I assume you mean you do not think HRC is getting support from racist Democrats this year mostly because she tried to stop Obama in 2008.

If so ... well ... okay then.

I can absolutely assure you that a lot of racist Democrats really love Hillary for that reason. But if you for some odd reason can not believe that, I don't know what more to say.


"Where do you come up with this crap?"

The real world where real people have really said it. I am White. Most racist White guys keep their racism to themselves around African-Americans. You only hear a small fraction of the racist crap I hear on a regular basis.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
69. Yes ... that is correct ...
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:26 PM
May 2016

I do not think HRC is getting support from racist Democrats this year mostly because she tried to stop Obama in 2008.

I can absolutely assure you that a lot of racist Democrats really love Hillary for that reason. But if you for some odd reason can not believe that, I don't know what more to say.


You could tell the truth and say you made that up ... unless, perhaps, you are projecting your 2008 feelings onto some unidentified others.

The real world where real people have really said it. I am White. Most racist White guys keep their racism to themselves around African-Americans. You only hear a small fraction of the racist crap I hear on a regular basis.


You have heard white people saying they support HRC this year because she failed 8 years ago? Cool Story, Bro.

ETA: There is no question in my mind that there are white Democrats that voted for HRC in 2008 because she was running against the Black guy.
 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
73. You just called me a liar. It would seem to be that you are the one who is projecting.
Tue May 10, 2016, 01:47 PM
May 2016

For there is no way you can possibly be so naive as to believe that there are no racist Democrats who view Hillary as their hero because of her fight against Obama in 2008. Or that none of them would vote for her this election because she is their hero for that reason.

You at least admit she was a hero to those people in 2008. Why would she not still be so to some?

Why is it so important to you that this obvious reality to everyone but you not be true?

Because it doesn't make a bit of fucking difference. Some racists support Hillary. So what? Does that somehow make her tainted in your eyes?

A lot of racists probably love the same beer/food/car/etc that you do. Does that make that beer/food/car/etc bad?


Or does it piss you off because makes it more difficult to tar Bernie because some of his supporters are racist too?


 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
75. If that is the way you wish to interpret it; then, I can't help that ...
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:01 PM
May 2016
For there is no way you can possibly be so naive as to believe that there are no racist Democrats who view Hillary as their hero because of her fight against Obama in 2008.


I, clearly, stated that there is no question in my mind that IN 2008, there were Democrats that supported HRC because she was running against the Black guy.

Or that none of them would vote for her this election because she is their hero for that reason.


This is so far fetched as to be laughable.

Why is it so important to you that this obvious reality to everyone but you not be true?


Obvious reality? Wow ... we have differing understandings of "obvious" and "reality".

Because it doesn't make a bit of fucking difference. Some racists support Hillary. So what? Does that somehow make her tainted in your eyes?

A lot of racists probably love the same beer/food/car/etc that you do. Does that make that beer/food/car/etc bad?


Or does it piss you off because makes it more difficult to tar Bernie because some of his supporters are racist too?


Okay. I'm going to bow out, now. I'm not going around the bend with you.
 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
77. DU has its share of really stupid people. But you don't seem stupid enough to believe your posts. nt
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
83. I'm not going to crazyville with you ...
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:14 PM
May 2016

and thinking/believing that the racists that voted for HRC because she went against (and lost to) the Black guy in 2008 ... are supporting her in 2016 because she went against (and lost to) the Black guy in 2008 is crazytown!

JustAnotherGen

(31,818 posts)
86. I'm not even sure what to do with this 1strong
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:22 PM
May 2016

Like - eh? I dunno. I think you are taking the right approach.

JustAnotherGen

(31,818 posts)
102. No - you are fine
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:17 PM
May 2016

And handled that well for being referred to as stupid. Don't attack back. Just let them be what they are - and be glad you don't go home to it!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
103. I know ... This past year has taught me such restraint ...
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:20 PM
May 2016
Just let them be what they are - and be glad you don't go home to it!


 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
106. He called me "crazy" and a liar before I called him stupid.
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:47 PM
May 2016

So I guess you also believe that no racists are voting for Hillary this year because they like what Hillary did to Obama in 2008?

While DSB clearly believes that to be a very small number, at least he does not deny the truth of that. And I still don't see why this is such a big problem for 1SBM. Could you explain that to me since all I get from 1SBM is snark?


 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
91. No, you're going to stupidtown.
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:30 PM
May 2016

Perhaps it escaped your attention, but racists are fucking idiots. What you call "crazy", they call "wicked smart".

White racists believe that all White people are racist. They believe many bury it under feelings of guilt. They believe most pretend not to be racist in public because they are afraid.

So where does Hillary fit? Before 2008 the White racist would have probably credited her with "Liberal guilt" making her their opponent. But "Liberal guilt" does not countenance her dog-whistling campaign in 2008.

She gave them a wink-and-a-nod. They now believe her to be one of them. They believe she is just pretending to like African-Americans for political reasons.


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
93. Can you point to data that indicates
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:34 PM
May 2016

Can you point to data that indicates that primary voters in 2016 are rewarding her for opposing Barack Obama in 2008?

In 2008 Hillary's best demographics were working class whites and Latinos. In 2016 her best demographics are African Americans, Latinos, and more affluent whites. Working class whites have abandoned her campaign in droves.

That fact would seem to suggest the argument that folks are voting for her now for opposing the African American candidate in 2008 was incorrect.

It seems like they liked Hillary enough when she was running against an African American candidate but don't like her nearly as much as when she is running against a white male candidate.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
94. I can introduce you to some people I know who are doing that.
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:41 PM
May 2016

You want numbers. I can't give you that. But I have no doubt there are plenty more out there.

As I said to 1SBM, "so what". It doesn't mean anything. It makes it harder to tar Bernie, but to deny this reality is silly.

Does Hillary have to be so pure that no bad person would ever vote for her?



Heck, I'll bet at least one guy who killed his mother voted for Hillary this election. And at least one voted for Bernie.

But I don't have the data on that one either.


 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
99. See there's that crazy again ...
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:10 PM
May 2016
As I said to 1SBM, "so what". It doesn't mean anything. It makes it harder to tar Bernie, but to deny this reality is silly.


Who is trying to tar Bernie? ... Who even mentioned him?

Heck, I'll bet at least one guy who killed his mother voted for Hillary this election. And at least one voted for Bernie.


I take that back ... that's the crazy, right there ... violent crazy, at that.
 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
105. Care to give straight, non-snarky answers for a change?
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:42 PM
May 2016

Heck, I'll bet at least one guy who killed his mother voted for Hillary this election. And at least one voted for Bernie.

I take that back ... that's the crazy, right there ... violent crazy, at that.



Do you believe that no person who killed his mother will have voted in this election? Why?

Do you believe that no such person has voted for Hillary this election? Why?

Do you believe that no such person has voted for Bernie this election? Why?


 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
107. I'm too stupid to do that ... Remember? ...
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:51 PM
May 2016
Do you believe that no person who killed his mother will have voted in this election? Why?

Do you believe that no such person has voted for Hillary this election? Why?

Do you believe that no such person has voted for Bernie this election? Why?


This is getting really weird. Excuse me while I, quietly, back out the door.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
22. Warren is a dream candidate...
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:34 AM
May 2016

...but I would hate to see her nerfed in the Senate.

A Hillary Clinton that can woo her as a running mate would, however, be a Hillary Clinton more to my liking.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
26. You assume Warren would have to sell her soul to work with Clinton; all indications shows otherwise.
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:38 AM
May 2016
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
87. Can see it now...Elizabeth, you go tell those guys to cut it out. K?
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:23 PM
May 2016

They are so fond of you...they will listen. Sorry, but I don't have Warren pegged as a flip flopper on her primary issue. But like Hillary, Elizabeth used to be a Republican, as I recall. So, there's that.

Thinking Clinton, like Trump, may have a hard time finding someone credible to chance teaming up with such high unfavorables. Also, the VP role is largely ceremonial, so little political bump.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
27. Sloppy verbiage
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:41 AM
May 2016

'Democrats' are pulling for this?

WHICH Democrats? ...

Fucking lazy ass writers . .

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
28. Only the braindead and the hopelessly disingenuous
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:44 AM
May 2016

would not see this harebrained idea for what it is. HRC riding the coattails of the ethical, principled
and highly effective Warren into the WH, thereby neutralizing Warren of all the good she could
accomplish in the Senate so that instead she can go to ribbon-cutting ceremonies while Clinton
crashes and burns the ship of state into the ground. What an idea!!

BeyondGeography

(39,370 posts)
29. Whomever she picks should shore her up with the base/likely D voters
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:45 AM
May 2016

Moving to the center and trying to get more moderate white male votes is an utter waste of time.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
32. Clinton would never accept a VP that would outthink, outspeak, and generally outclass her
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:51 AM
May 2016

I also doubt that Warren wants to spend four years biting her tongue.

I get that the thought of a Clinton-Warren ticket makes some people all giddy, but these two have basically nothing in common, other than gender.

It doesn't matter who the nominal VP candidate is, the true running mate will be Bill Clinton. We've already seen some disturbing indications of that.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
36. Warren would not agree to such a matchup, this is just Hillary trying to woo
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:28 AM
May 2016

the Democratic base to her side by name dropping Warren. The reality is she's far more likely to pick someone like Kasich than EW, but dropping a name is ok if it wins a few extra votes.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
55. Never happen.
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:02 PM
May 2016

Hillary will absolutely never pick the following:

1. A liberal
2. A person who will outshine her
3. Someone who will fight Wall Street
4. Someone who isn't a war hawk


Look for Hillary to pick the most boring, milquetoast candidate that might draw in a group or region.

Her candidacy will be the biggest yawner since Dukakis/Bentsen.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
79. Warren has a say in this and I think if selected, Warren will say no.
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:09 PM
May 2016

She's not going to kow-tow to Hillary. No way- no how.

Mike Nelson

(9,954 posts)
82. If...
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:12 PM
May 2016

...she needs a "shore up the base" VP, Warren's got it. But most think she will need to move to the center (yes, I know many Bernie supporters believe Hillary Clinton already is a far-right Republican).

3hummingbirds

(58 posts)
88. Elizabeth Warren
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:24 PM
May 2016

A Warren/Clinton would be even better. My own personal belief is, Senator Warren can be more powerful where she is and accomplish more than being Hillary Clinton' mouthpiece.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
90. Maybe while she's over in the Republican Donor Waiting Room
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

she'll run into someone who shares her values.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
95. So...Hillary would choose her polar opposite? Sure...makes sense...
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:45 PM
May 2016

That's as logical as pretending that the primaries are over before 23% of the voters have voted.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
114. VP is a 'shut up and do as you're told' position
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:57 PM
May 2016

Warren ain't gonna do that - bless her socks!

She would be significantly more valuable to the Nation, in the Senate, where she can help progressives and liberals counter her chick-hawk corporate neocon agenda

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