2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie is 3.5+ million votes behind and is still running?
He even has fewer votes than Donald Trump, who has fewer votes than Hillary Clinton.
Doesn't he have a job in Washington DC?
Isn't it time he got back to work?
Human101948
(3,457 posts)and he was kind enough to agree.
Doesn't Hillary have some Wall Street speeches to give? Or maybe some arms sales for Clinton Foundation "donations?"
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Larkspur
(12,804 posts)There are 9 states left on the primary sched. Let them vote.
HRC supporters are hypocrites for calling on Bernie to drop out or suspend his campaign. She didn't do that in 2008 and she went $6 million in debt. As long as Bernie has the money he should stay in the race.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)many of us would like, and as Hillary did, and so forth and so on.
Truly hope he takes it at least this far, AND has effect on party platform and so forth. All for the good of the party, the country, etc. Nothing nefarious.
You don't seem to get it. He represents US, and US is a lot of people who really really care about this country and about the Democratic Party. We think it's foolish to go with Hillary. You may think whatever you like of what it's like to go with Bernie, but we don't have to agree. We think he's the closest thing to a real Democrat we've seen around here for a long time. Yatta, yatta. You've heard it all before.
But unless you're from the state of Vermont and upset about his job performance (most popular Senator to his constituents in the nation is what I hear), I think you're just going to have to live with your anxiety for at least a little while longer. And perhaps a lot longer. Because we're not changing our minds as to what is Progressive. And we're not going anywhere.
Perhaps you should join us. That's one way to have party unity.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)states (especially given that Sanders generally crushed Hillary in caucus states where enthusiasm and ideology matter more than name identification) reinforces this dishonesty and ustrustworthiness.
You can't fix a problem by reinforcing the root cause of the problem:
KPN
(15,645 posts)voters. Caucuses, closed primaries, Clinton campaign/DNC/GOP shenanigans that suppressed votes. Factor those in and Bernie might actually be winning.
Factor in the next upcoming primaries and he definitely would be imo.
Bernie has spent more time in DC doing his job while also campaigning than any other candidate this year or in most past years. Check the record before you speak.
Isn't it time for Hillary to go back to work for Wall Street and the Clinton Foundation?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and of the people who actually care enough to show up and vote for the candidate they prefer to be the party's nominee.
And if not for all the women voters and POC voters, Bernie might actually be winning. (See? Anyone can play what-if games! It's easy!)
The patchwork of regulations were already in place before Bernie ever declared he was running. He and his team had plenty of time to make allowances and to get people registered TO vote, or to make sure their party affiliation allowed them to participate in the party's selection process.
In hindsight, this looks like a lot of poor planning and oversight by Bernie's campaign. No wonder y'all are losing.
KPN
(15,645 posts)as Independents precisely because they feel neither Party reflects their interests ... and with plenty of good reason. They are not followers for the sake of following.
Some people see following as admirable. Many do not.
Women and POC voters? My, you are paranoid aren't you. Not going to play your Nurse.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... by publicly rejecting labels in order to appear to be more intelligent or to present themselves as being free thinkers for vanity's sake and being "admired." And that's fine ... they are free so to do if they believe the trade off is worthwhile.
It's their choice if they don't want to attend the party, but they're more than welcome to come inside. It's kinda silly for them to stand outside on the sidewalk complaining that they can't hear the band... and griping that the band won't take their requests and dedications.
KPN
(15,645 posts)Multi-talented!
global1
(25,247 posts)The masses vote in Primary states and in Caucus states it is a more specific group that selects the winning candidate. Kinda apples and oranges. Hillary won more primary states and Bernie won more caucus states. Can one then say that Hillary has more votes - because the votes are different? It appears to me that the Hillary people are stretching the reality here. Am I missing something?
I Bought the Law
(4 posts)is pretty happy that he gets to have at least a symbolic say in his party's primary. I suppose we could have shut this thing down after South Carolina and denied almost everyone the right to weigh in.
LexVegas
(6,060 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)You seem worried.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)How's that?
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)That's how it is.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)I would then respond:
He trails Hillary by 287 pledged delegates. She has not secured a majority of the pledged delegates and he has not been mathematically eliminated. She will not secure a majority of the pledged delegates, if at all, until June 7 at the earliest. This is a volatile election year and there are any number of things which could still effect the race for the nomination up until the point that one candidate secures the majority of the pledged delegates.
Additionally, there is value in Bernie staying in regardless of whether he will win the nomination.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)The closed and rigged party nomination procedures were designed to insure the nomination of a conservative establishment candidate acceptable to corporate and Wall Street benefactors.
So that 3 million of so votes is irrelevant. So is the popular national vote for President. Getting the most votes in a rigged presidential or primary election does not determine the winner.
Look what happened when Al Gore got the most votes for President in 2000. He didn't win! The Supreme Court by a vote of 5 to 4 selected Bush over Gore!
If that same Supreme Court could determine the Democratic Party nomination today I'm sure they would vote 5 to 4 in favor of Hillary over Bernie in a tied convention. But, fortunately that won't and can't happen.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)aikoaiko
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bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Until there is an official nominee. That's kind of how the game works. Play until the final out.