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Bernie is 3.5+ million votes behind and is still running? (Original Post) onehandle May 2016 OP
I asked that he keep running... Human101948 May 2016 #1
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, yawn,ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ floriduck May 2016 #2
Why do you hate democracy? Larkspur May 2016 #3
I think it's time for posts like this to shut up. Yes, he's running at least through California. As highprincipleswork May 2016 #4
Hillary is widely thought of as dishonest. Pushing a vote total prevarication that omits many caucus Attorney in Texas May 2016 #5
The vote count is not an accurate reflection of Democratic and Democratic leaning KPN May 2016 #6
It's an accurate reflection of people who know how to register to participate in party activities... NurseJackie May 2016 #10
KnowiHow to register is not relevant. Independents intentionally do not register or register KPN May 2016 #13
Most independents are partisans who flatter themselves ... NurseJackie May 2016 #15
Oh, so your a psychologist too I see. KPN May 2016 #22
Help Me Here - There's A Difference Between A Primary Win & A Caucus Win.... global1 May 2016 #7
This Oregonian I Bought the Law May 2016 #8
Meh...let him get his participation medal. nt LexVegas May 2016 #9
You worried? frylock May 2016 #11
We don't nominate based on popular vote. Strawman OP. morningfog May 2016 #12
Bernie is hundreds of delegates behind and is still running? onehandle May 2016 #14
How's that? Well, Clinton won't have enough elected delegates to win the nomination. imagine2015 May 2016 #17
If that were your OP, it would not be a strawman, at least. morningfog May 2016 #19
Hillary has about 40 million less votes than she needs to win the general election. imagine2015 May 2016 #16
Yeah, like that conservative Obama. 2008 and 2012 were rigged! nt onehandle May 2016 #18
If for no other reason, he should keep campaigning to get your goat. aikoaiko May 2016 #20
I hope Bernie keeps running bigwillq May 2016 #21
 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
1. I asked that he keep running...
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:04 PM
May 2016

and he was kind enough to agree.

Doesn't Hillary have some Wall Street speeches to give? Or maybe some arms sales for Clinton Foundation "donations?"

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
3. Why do you hate democracy?
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:05 PM
May 2016

There are 9 states left on the primary sched. Let them vote.

HRC supporters are hypocrites for calling on Bernie to drop out or suspend his campaign. She didn't do that in 2008 and she went $6 million in debt. As long as Bernie has the money he should stay in the race.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
4. I think it's time for posts like this to shut up. Yes, he's running at least through California. As
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:08 PM
May 2016

many of us would like, and as Hillary did, and so forth and so on.

Truly hope he takes it at least this far, AND has effect on party platform and so forth. All for the good of the party, the country, etc. Nothing nefarious.

You don't seem to get it. He represents US, and US is a lot of people who really really care about this country and about the Democratic Party. We think it's foolish to go with Hillary. You may think whatever you like of what it's like to go with Bernie, but we don't have to agree. We think he's the closest thing to a real Democrat we've seen around here for a long time. Yatta, yatta. You've heard it all before.

But unless you're from the state of Vermont and upset about his job performance (most popular Senator to his constituents in the nation is what I hear), I think you're just going to have to live with your anxiety for at least a little while longer. And perhaps a lot longer. Because we're not changing our minds as to what is Progressive. And we're not going anywhere.

Perhaps you should join us. That's one way to have party unity.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
5. Hillary is widely thought of as dishonest. Pushing a vote total prevarication that omits many caucus
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:08 PM
May 2016

states (especially given that Sanders generally crushed Hillary in caucus states where enthusiasm and ideology matter more than name identification) reinforces this dishonesty and ustrustworthiness.

You can't fix a problem by reinforcing the root cause of the problem:





KPN

(15,645 posts)
6. The vote count is not an accurate reflection of Democratic and Democratic leaning
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:10 PM
May 2016

voters. Caucuses, closed primaries, Clinton campaign/DNC/GOP shenanigans that suppressed votes. Factor those in and Bernie might actually be winning.

Factor in the next upcoming primaries and he definitely would be imo.

Bernie has spent more time in DC doing his job while also campaigning than any other candidate this year or in most past years. Check the record before you speak.

Isn't it time for Hillary to go back to work for Wall Street and the Clinton Foundation?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
10. It's an accurate reflection of people who know how to register to participate in party activities...
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:22 PM
May 2016

... and of the people who actually care enough to show up and vote for the candidate they prefer to be the party's nominee.

Factor those in and Bernie might actually be winning.

And if not for all the women voters and POC voters, Bernie might actually be winning. (See? Anyone can play what-if games! It's easy!)

The patchwork of regulations were already in place before Bernie ever declared he was running. He and his team had plenty of time to make allowances and to get people registered TO vote, or to make sure their party affiliation allowed them to participate in the party's selection process.

In hindsight, this looks like a lot of poor planning and oversight by Bernie's campaign. No wonder y'all are losing.

KPN

(15,645 posts)
13. KnowiHow to register is not relevant. Independents intentionally do not register or register
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:35 PM
May 2016

as Independents precisely because they feel neither Party reflects their interests ... and with plenty of good reason. They are not followers for the sake of following.

Some people see following as admirable. Many do not.

Women and POC voters? My, you are paranoid aren't you. Not going to play your Nurse.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. Most independents are partisans who flatter themselves ...
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:51 PM
May 2016

... by publicly rejecting labels in order to appear to be more intelligent or to present themselves as being free thinkers for vanity's sake and being "admired." And that's fine ... they are free so to do if they believe the trade off is worthwhile.

It's their choice if they don't want to attend the party, but they're more than welcome to come inside. It's kinda silly for them to stand outside on the sidewalk complaining that they can't hear the band... and griping that the band won't take their requests and dedications.

global1

(25,247 posts)
7. Help Me Here - There's A Difference Between A Primary Win & A Caucus Win....
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:10 PM
May 2016

The masses vote in Primary states and in Caucus states it is a more specific group that selects the winning candidate. Kinda apples and oranges. Hillary won more primary states and Bernie won more caucus states. Can one then say that Hillary has more votes - because the votes are different? It appears to me that the Hillary people are stretching the reality here. Am I missing something?

8. This Oregonian
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:11 PM
May 2016

is pretty happy that he gets to have at least a symbolic say in his party's primary. I suppose we could have shut this thing down after South Carolina and denied almost everyone the right to weigh in.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
17. How's that? Well, Clinton won't have enough elected delegates to win the nomination.
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:59 PM
May 2016

That's how it is.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
19. If that were your OP, it would not be a strawman, at least.
Tue May 10, 2016, 01:05 PM
May 2016

I would then respond:

He trails Hillary by 287 pledged delegates. She has not secured a majority of the pledged delegates and he has not been mathematically eliminated. She will not secure a majority of the pledged delegates, if at all, until June 7 at the earliest. This is a volatile election year and there are any number of things which could still effect the race for the nomination up until the point that one candidate secures the majority of the pledged delegates.

Additionally, there is value in Bernie staying in regardless of whether he will win the nomination.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
16. Hillary has about 40 million less votes than she needs to win the general election.
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:58 PM
May 2016

The closed and rigged party nomination procedures were designed to insure the nomination of a conservative establishment candidate acceptable to corporate and Wall Street benefactors.

So that 3 million of so votes is irrelevant. So is the popular national vote for President. Getting the most votes in a rigged presidential or primary election does not determine the winner.

Look what happened when Al Gore got the most votes for President in 2000. He didn't win! The Supreme Court by a vote of 5 to 4 selected Bush over Gore!

If that same Supreme Court could determine the Democratic Party nomination today I'm sure they would vote 5 to 4 in favor of Hillary over Bernie in a tied convention. But, fortunately that won't and can't happen.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
21. I hope Bernie keeps running
Tue May 10, 2016, 01:13 PM
May 2016

Until there is an official nominee. That's kind of how the game works. Play until the final out.

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