2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumKING: Democrats, now is your last chance to change your mind about Hillary Clinton
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-democrats-change-mind-hillary-article-1.2631326I've said it many times, but it's a huge mistake to underestimate Donald Trump's candidacy. Three brand new polls in the swing states of Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania only prove this very point.
Donald Trump is up in Ohio against Hillary Clinton 43-39. This is disastrous.
In Florida and Pennsylvania, Clinton is barely clinging to a 43-42 lead in both states.
Where Clinton was down 4 points to Trump in Ohio, Bernie is up 2.
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They each set records for being disliked in America and the research shows that the majority of Americans would be voting for Trump or Clinton not because they actually like either of them, but because they despise the other. This is unbelievably sad and is all the more reason why Democrats and independents and even Republicans who want to stop Trump must pivot to Bernie Sanders while we still have time to do so.
Bernie is the only candidate with a positive favorability rating. He crushes it with independents. Trump performs well with men, but is despised by women. Clinton performs well with women, but has poor support among men. Bernie performs well with both women and men. People trust Bernie's integrity and honesty. More young people have voted for Bernie than Clinton and Trump combined.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)But let's not compare his rating to Hillary, right?
Too funny ... and inept.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)It's a start.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)k thanx bye
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Bernie is the only Democrat who can win a majority.
H supporters need to let her down easy and come on over so we can win.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)If the GOP started after Bernie, they have lots of ammo to work with. They have used all they have against HRC. Voters over 50 vote, and they won't vote for a socialist.
And I've already voted for the Socialist. What else ya got?
pkdu
(3,977 posts)#FeelTheMath
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Bernie is one of the best People candidates ever. H is scared silly by Bernie and she knows she can't win a fair election.
H needs to retire and tell her backers to support Bernie, otherwise her backers are merely helping Trump and they know it. Since they know it why do they keep doing it?
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)is not between Hillary and Wanders. Sanders needs to step down. He has lost...he can do now , after California...at the convention if he is that foolish, but it is over for Sanders. King's opinion is just what all people who support losing candidates believe...my candidate is the only one who can win. Not true.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Hillary is the status quo now. And people realize she's not going to stand up for them.
Also, she's dishonest.
jg10003
(976 posts)tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Besides, to take stock in a poll in May means nothing.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)As well as fundraising.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Also, Quinnipac oversamples white people, so Ohio is massively skewed there.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Real Clear Politics
Poll Date Sample MoE
Sanders (D)
Trump (R)
Spread
RCP Average 4/8 - 4/28 -- -- 51.6 38.0 Sanders +13.6
IBD/TIPP 4/22 - 4/28 814 RV 3.5 50 38 Sanders +12
USA Today/Suffolk 4/20 - 4/24 1000 LV 3.0 52 37 Sanders +15
GWU/Battleground 4/17 - 4/20 1000 LV 3.1 50 40 Sanders +10
FOX News 4/11 - 4/13 1021 RV 3.0 53 39 Sanders +14
CBS News 4/8 - 4/12 1098 RV 3.0 53 36 Sanders +17
All of these guys are in the tank for Trump/Hillary...I don't think so.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Early polls and these are from last month...are useless.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Yes, all polls are useless when they don't support the PC narrative.
May 6 to May 9 up 11 points. CNN. That's pretty fresh. But if you can find others that support your opinion, I'm open to change.
ETA: latest polls
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)By the way, the polls are within the margin of error except for PA...which is an outlier...no way he is up that much in PA. The polls do show Trump gaining and why not? While the Dems have to continue the zombie primary thanks to Bernie...Trump is busy working on the general. Our nominee Hillary is forced to fight a two-fronted battle. Thanks Bernie!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)The Victim Bubble, wrapped inside the Clinton Bubble, wrapped inside the Shame on Bernie Bubble.
That's politics, my friend. Just a Heads Up that it's more than a Coronation or Someone's Turn. Our nominee runs to the Republicans/Bush Cartel for more money...that's the thing. Where she feels right at home. She's got a huge Baggage Car filled with Lots of Laundry. More stacks up each day.
Don't bring the Democratic Socialist into this little tete a tete. And still you wonder why many of us Lefties aren't one bit fond of The Chosen One?
Like DWS...she really likes Republicans. So I say, don't let the door hit you....well, you get the drift.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...to include our candidates.
The progressive change that we at DU like to talk about wanting doesn't appear to have taken the party by storm. That needs to change at the convention.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Bernie will lose before the convention or after the convention ...but lose he will ...in fact, he already has. The majority does not agree with you. And I have never understood how you think you would win a general with a candidate that can not win a primary,McGovern all over again ....only this time there are rules that have stopped him.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Put me down as a yes, and as a voter who isn't hung up on a fucking candidate "winning" or "losing." I have an actual agenda, and hope others share it.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Us lesser mortals are more concerned with not allowing the GOP to pack the court and end a woman's choice...you know unimportant stuff like that.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...but I guess you'd know best.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Or we might just get a narcissistic megalomaniac for president.