Millions will sit out the election no matter what Bernie says/does if Hillary is the candidate.

[imagine2015]

Just a fact of political life.

Bernie doesn't control his supporters like unthinking robots.

[griffi94]

1. Oh well

That's their right.

Bernie still isn't going to be our nominee.

[highprincipleswork]

132. Wait and see.

[griffi94]

133. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[highprincipleswork]

135. Laugh your ass off and see what the future brings my friend.

[griffi94]

140. Already LMAO

The future is bringing Hillary as our nominee.

That's based on real things like delegate count and votes cast.

Hillary crushed Bernie.
Hundreds more pledged delegates and millions more votes.

Real life isn't like DU.
The majority of Democratic primary voters
took a look at Bernie and said No Thanks.

The pipedream that the SDs will somehow flip to Bernie
and hand him the nomination over the choice of the
majority of the voters, voters who include
women and POC, which are 2 of the Democratic Parties strongest pillars,
to appease the candidate who lost and has the support mostly of white males.

That's just ludicrous.

The Democratic voters prefer Hillary.
That's why Bernie lost

[highprincipleswork]

142. We'll see. It's not over yet. Glad you're happy in your bubble that actually thinks Hillary is a

a good nominee.

You can say I'm in a bubble too, but the truth is, we're in it so far until at least when California votes, if not till the convention. If you don't like it, you know what you can do with it.

i can't account for the delusion that has Democrats voting for Corporatacrats, but I can still exercise my right to vote and donate and organize and volunteer and phonebank and register people and canvas, etc. In fact, I will do that for as long as Bernie is in the race.

I don't care a whit for what you feel is ludicrous.

Enjoy your day.

[griffi94]

144. Good on you

Keep working.
I don't care you support.
I don't personally care who you vote for.

I hope Bernie does stay in til the convention.
That way when he loses on the first ballot we won't have to
hear a lot of hypothetical theories that he'd have won if he'd have just stayed in.

Take it to Philly.
Then when the first ballot puts her over the top
there won't be any doubt that Democrats chose Hillary.

She'll get decisive no question victory.

[highprincipleswork]

145. We'll see. All options still on the table.

[griffi94]

146. Haha

If by all options you mean finishing the primaries
and nominating Hillary in Philly
then yes those options are still on the table.

But Bernie winning the majority of pledged delegates
is now a statistical impossibility since the states aren't
winner take all.

Feel the reality.
Bernie lost.

[highprincipleswork]

147. Your'e funny. Glad we don't have to absolutely take the word of H supporters for what is and isn't

"reality". Some of what you say is true, and some is unknown. Perhaps your predictions and laughing fits are a way to deal with anxiety. In which case, I guess you'll have to keep them up for a while longer.

My take on reality. If it goes down as you say I won't be entirely surprised. Disappointed, yes. No longer a Democrat, possibly

[griffi94]

148. No anxiety

Scoreboard

[highprincipleswork]

149. Not buying it.

[griffi94]

151. Doesn't matter to me what you buy

Lots of people used to really believe the earth was flat.

They didn't buy a bunch of that new fangled science
that proved it was round.

Scoreboard.

[highprincipleswork]

152. Ah yes, the snide superciliousness of the other side.

[griffi94]

153. Scoreboard

Yes math is reality based.

It doesn't take into account what you
really really really want to happen.

It's just math.

More votes means more delegates.
More delegates means winning the nomination.

It's all about the scoreboard

[CorporatistNation]

184. Nicely Said... To ALL The Donkeys Who Could Care Less About So Much And Still Vote For...

a candidate of such questionable personal and political "character.... "

[brooklynite]

2. So Trump will win....which I guess is what they want?

[Skink]

5. I imagine if they want Trump to win they will vote for him

[farleftlib]

16. So you admit she cannot win on her own "merits"

and yet you still support her candidacy...

Nobody wants Trump. It seems the Dem party bet on the wrong horse.

[Ferd Berfel]

19. The CLinton camp has indicated that they don't need or care about Bernie Supporters

She's going for Republicans instead. She's doing nothing to earn votes from Bernie's supporters but somehow Bernie's people are 'obligated' to vote for her?

[griffi94]

31. I don't speak for all of Hillarys supporters

I only speak for myself.

But I don't care what the BoB people do.

I really don't think there are very many of them.
They're the same Bernie fans that show up at rallies
but don't turn out and vote.

They weren't ever really present in the process anyway so they won't be missed.

What they really seem to like is to tell everybody
over and over that they're Bernie or Bust.

I get it.
They're very angry.
I personally couldn't care any less.

[puffy socks]

56. I agree.

Loud doesn't = large numbers.
I think Trump's shtick will get old when the GE campaigning really gets going and those in BoB will be as relevant as the Tea Party Patriots are today.

[whatchamacallit]

96. If you want to say the BoBers are a minority that's a debatable, but acceptable, opinion

But when you guys try to downplay Bernie's amazing rallies by claiming the participants don't vote, you just sound dumb.

[griffi94]

99. Yeah whatever

It's the Bernie fans that keep insisting Bernie should
get the nomination due to the awesome awesome attendance
at his rallies.

The fact that in big heavily populated diverse states
he keeps getting blown out seems to escape their attention.

This seasons BoBers are 2008s PUMAs

Small, loud, angry group that vastly overestimates their
influence.

[whatchamacallit]

100. The PUMAs are part of Clinton's legacy

[griffi94]

104. The PUMAs

were the same old tired perpetually disgruntled
that you see every elction.

Whoever our nominee is. They want somebody else.
Somebody that they're convinced is the only candidate that can win.

And if they don't get their candidate then they'll sit out.

So to the BoBers I say.
Do what you want. They don't have the numbers to make a difference any more than the PUMAs did.

The majority of Bernie fans will feel disappointed and then get over it.

The perpetually disgruntled won't.

I personally don't care who they vote for or if they're angry or fed up or
whatever else they are.

Bernie isn't going to be our nominee.

[whatchamacallit]

110. Glad to know this will be your last post on the matter

[griffi94]

112. Don't worry. It won't be

The same way I'm sure you'll continue to post that
Hillary can't win and Bernie has a realistic path and if
he doesn't get the nomination it'll be gloom despair and agony
for the Democratic party in November.

The reality of the situation seems to suggest that the Democratic primary voters
are willing to take that chance.

That's why Bernie lost.

[ablamj]

188. I'm glad to hear that you don't care who we vote for or even if we vote.

That means you won't be blaming us when Hillary loses in November.

[griffi94]

190. I won't be blaming you

You don't have enough power for that.

You're one vote.
There aren't enough BoBers to matter.

Bernie lost. Period.

[Fawke Em]

103. They can't be PUMAs.

The point that's been missed on nearly all Clinton supporters is that many of Bernie's voters only joined the party to vote for him. They don't really care about the party to care whether it's unified and they don't much care which party wins or loses. They were voting for issues.

If she loses, they'll be part of the, "Meh," Movement: Make Excuses Hillary.

[griffi94]

107. If they only joined to vote for him

Then they weren't ever reliable Democrats anyway.

Why worry about them.

Nothing's been lost. They were never the parties to lose.
Bernie lost.
Now they'll go back to whatever they were before.

It'd be silly to pick their candidate over ours since
theirs didn't get the most delegates or the most votes.

Democratic primary voters chose Hillary.

[Fawke Em]

101. It doesn't take much when the polling is that close to drop off.

[griffi94]

108. Generic polling 6 months out

I'm confident that Hillary will win in November.

If she doesn't I'll be very disappointed.
Alas life can be full of disappointments.

Hillary is our nominee.

[Mz Pip]

102. If Sanders supporters won't vote for her

Then why not court people who will? She needs all the votes she can get, and yes, a lot of money. Unfortunately, that's how political campaigns work. Maybe that will change some day but until it does it makes no sense to limit your options.

[Ferd Berfel]

106. I think that's the plan- Merge the 'centrist' Republicans and Right Wing Corporate Dems - New Party

The upcoming merger between the DLC, BlueDog Third Way crowd, and the "centrist' republicans, will be the culmination of the CLintons 40 year push to the right. One party to the right of center (pragmatic) with the insane fascists on the right and the Progressive Liberal and Democrats on the left. The Clintons are working towards a new party - something submissive to corporate and 1% interests but not as racist as the Trump crowd, but just as corporatist as republican have ever been. We will have to form a new party of the PEOPLE after the abortion of democracy that is about to occur. Once they push through the TPP they will be the government.

[SylviaD]

136. Please adjust your tinfoil hat. nt

[Ferd Berfel]

138. That's been their direction for 30+ years

Why would they stop now?

[Kelvin Mace]

27. No, we'd like an honest candidate

but others apparently do not.

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. So you need progressives to hold their noses on Election Day

But nothing else? You can't win without them? Guess what...it is not on them if she loses ok

[Actor]

126. I think they do, I think they want Trump to win so they can say "told you so"

Unfortunately it will mean tremendous harm to many millions, but as long as they can say "told you so"

that is all that matters.


As a supporter of Bernie, someone who has supported him for longer than most, I find this very disturbing behavour.

[boston bean]

3. Do whatever the fuck they want.

Screw themselves. Screw their ideals. Screw the country.

If they dont give a shit why should anyone care about them. Grow the fuck up and is my advice to them. And stop with the baby temper tantrums.

[tonyt53]

13. I don't think they know how.

[imagine2015]

20. Did you forget to write "and screw the independents"?

[peggysue2]

79. Whew!

Standing ovation on that advice!

I'm clean out of patience for the threats and whines. If the Bernie Brigade want to screw themselves? Let 'em. The rest of us have more important things to consider like defeating the Talking Yam Who Would Be King.

Donald Trump is the enemy to progress. He and his vile usurpers are an existential threat to everyone & anyone with a brain and pulse.

Bernie Brigade cannot see that? Well then, get out of the way for those of us who can. And yes, enough of the temper tantrums.

[Fawke Em]

105. BoBers don't consider his winning screwing themselves.

BoBers think Hillary and Trump are equally horrifying but for different reasons.

BTW, many think Hillary is also an enemy to progress.

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[firebrand80]

4. and if the SDs subvert the will of the voters

we'll embrace Bernie with open arms.

[imagine2015]

23. According to a poll more Hillary backers will not vote for Sanders if he's the candidate!

I'm glad you're not one of them.

[griffi94]

63. It's a pipedream that the SDs will flip the nomination to Sanders

Can you imagine the blowback
if that were even considered.

Setting aside the rightful winner and the overwhelming choice
of women and POC to appease a group made up primarily
of angry white males.

The Democratic Party would cease to exist.

But the party leaders know that.

The talk about the SDs flipping is just a desperate fantasy
of Bernies fans now that his winning is a statistical impossibility.

[politicaljunkie41910]

6. Enough with the threats. If the BSS sit out, so be it. No one will kiss your behinds.

Bernie Supporters will get no FREE STUFF. I on the other hand was not counting on a bunch of FREE STUFF with a Clinton win. Just good governance.

[tonyt53]

12. Well said!!!!!

[imagine2015]

26. Right. A conservative Democratic politician could haven't said it better!

No more "free" government hand-outs and entitlements to the poor and working class people.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

90. Bernie is NOT gonna let that happen... he's got this!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[highprincipleswork]

134. ENTITLEMENTS! That word really pisses me off. Damn right I'm entitled to receive money that I paid

in already. How's that for an "entitlement"?

[pinebox]

61. Ayn Rand called, she wants her FREE STUFF talking point back

Channeling your inner Ron Paul today?
Typical Hillary Dempublican talking point. "Free stuff!" but let's invade another country & build another aircraft carrier because screw the people.

[nadinbrzezinski]

89. Nice conservative talking point right there

The 1950s called by the way...Senator McCarthy would like it back

[NCTraveler]

7. Millions sit out every election. nt.

[Jitter65]

8. That's on them. We made it trough Reagan and Bush. We will still make. nt

[Nonhlanhla]

37. Except for the people who did not make it through Reagan and Bush. nt.

[PufPuf23]

41. The Democrats that crossed over and voted Reagan and to a lesser extent

the Democrats that crossed over and voted GWB are the same "values" segment of the Democratic party that support Hillary Clinton today.

Neo-liberals and shock doctrine are just dandy to them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

91. Parties are responsible for who they nominate

You need to give people a reason to vote for, not against. The latter always leads to much lower voter turnout

[tonyt53]

9. Those same millions will be the ones hit the hardest by president Trump

Besides, those "millions" have mostly never participated in our democracy, even though they could have. They mostly have just complained and never voted or even registered. Which means that they really don't care about the country. To paraphrase Ray from the movie Field of Dreams, they all ask "What's in it for me?" instead of doing what is best for the country. To be honest, they wouldn't turn out to vote for Bernie in November either. They will have lost all interest by then.

[Demsrule86]

119. Which also means

We have won without them and can win again. My kids loved Bernie ...not so happy with him now...but still like him. However, those of voting age will vote Hillary because they have a brain.

[HereSince1628]

159. Interesting...

But, what makes you think the people who don't turn out would be hardest hit by Trump?

I would think the people hardest hit aren't even American citizens.

I'm interested in reading how you think that people who choose not to vote would be hardest hit.

[NewImproved Deal]

10. I'll vote for down-ticket Dems...

From U.S. Senator to Dogcatcher.

If I wanted a Neo-Con, Warmongering, Wall Street President I'd just switch to GOP...

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[EndElectoral]

65. Well said. I'll be voting Dems all down the ticket, just not for HRC at the top

[Vincardog]

82. Agreed. I will vote for every Democrat on the ticket and against every republicant

[HooptieWagon]

11. Yes, a good many will stay home.

Others will write-in Sanders or vote for Jill Stein. In any case, down-ticket Democrats are the ones who will really pay for being on a ballot headlined by Clinton.

[Demsrule86]

24. Again

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Tantrums are not impressive...being the mother of four I know where this is headed...why next time they will know how important I am...no they won't just like your candidate, you will be irrelevant. We win ; we did it without you. We lose; with five justices for the GOP it doesn't matter. Your revolution will be remembered as what stopped the progressive movement in its tracks.

[sadoldgirl]

45. I doubt that very much.

If HRC is the candidate and she loses, she will be
considered the reason for the loss.

After all it is up to the candidate to get the
citizen energized to vote.

[Demsrule86]

181. Only if he gets out clean

And does not cause trouble at the convention. I think she will win anyway.

[notadmblnd]

64. What does that even mean?

why next time they will know home important I am...no they won't just like your candidate, you will be irrelevant.

[Demsrule86]

183. Many who sit out this election

don't understand that no one will appreciate their purity and if you think next time anyone will take you seriously, they won't. We have one chance to stop the GOP and save the courts. If we lost that chance, kiss your revolution goodbye.

[Jester Messiah]

88. Too bad nobody cares whether you're "impressed" or not.

Just be sure to take responsibility for where you end up after insisting on Clinton.

[Demsrule86]

179. I don't expect you to care

However, I would have though such fine Bernie supporters would not overturn the will of the voters by selecting a nominee who lost the primary.

[Jester Messiah]

189. If the primary weren't rigged you might have a point.

But it is, and so you don't.

[LexVegas]

14. Lots of angry white dudes. nt

[masmdu]

17. YEP!

[Demsrule86]

18. Then they are fools

Hopefully reasonable people who understand the threat Donald Trump poses will save them from their bad judgement.

[Attorney in Texas]

21. Agreed. Sanders supporters would generally support a Hillary-Warren ticket even if Sanders did not

endorse it, but many Sanders supporters will likely NOT support a Hillary-{fill-in-generic-NeoLib-Lieberman2.0} ticket even if Sanders endorses that ticket.

People get sick of "I'll adopt whatever core beliefs you want me to have." Hillary wants to appeal to Bush Republicans as well as Sanders-Warren-FDR Democrats. That ain't gonna happen. She should pretend to have core values and then run on those values. No one with true values can appeal to Bush Republicans and Sanders-Warren-FDR Democrats, and she should be old enough to realize that.

[Lizzie Poppet]

52. Not this one, that's for sure.

Unless I had drop-dead-certain inside information Hillary was going to be impeached and convicted (and obviously I don't), no VP pairing could possibly get me to vote for Princess Weathervane. This was likely true before, but now that she's already cynically lurched back to the right, it's a certainty.

[Attorney in Texas]

68. Hillary is promoting party division at a time when a good candidate would take the opposite path

[TwilightZone]

123. Sanders is calling for party unity?

Evidence would seem to be lacking. Plenty of evidence to the contrary is available, however.

Besides, party unity is usually reserved for the general election, once we have a nominee. It's been like that for time immemorial.

[BernieforPres2016]

192. Sanders pitched the virtues of the Democratic Party in his latest email asking for funds

He talked about it being the party of FDR, the importance of the platform, the importance of defeating Trump. Meanwhile, Hillary courts Jeb Bush donors.

Sorry Bernie, unless the FBI does its job and you win the nomination, it is no sale on the corrupt, corporatist Democratic Party of Hillary Clinton. Particularly after they've done everything possible to keep the nomination process from being a fair competition.

[SusanLarson]

83. Clinton

If she is on the ticket, we will not vote for her. It is not about who her running mate is. She could put Warren or Sanders as VP and/or cabinet members; if Clinton is on the ticket the answer to the question will I vote for her is still a big nope!

[onehandle]

22. Millions of evangelical Republicans will sit out the election if Trump is their candidate.

Dunno what you are talking about.

[basselope]

30. Funny thing is.. they won't... because they hate Hillary enough.

[imagine2015]

32. Not if Hillary Clinton is the nominee.

[TheCowsCameHome]

25. Meh.

We've been told we are irrelevant.

[basselope]

28. I won't sit out, but I certainly won't vote for a republican

No matter what letter they have next to their name on a piece of paper.

[imagine2015]

29. Who needs independents and white working class voters to win an election? Screw them!

The presidential election can be won with only non-liberal pure Democratic Party registered voters!

Sure it can.

[leeroysphitz]

35. la la la la

[imagine2015]

58. Now let the grown-ups discuss. And double la la la la to you!

Laffin out loud!

[whatthehey]

33. As they do every time

About the worst case is the Greens get a few more votes from unimpressed Ds, but Libertarians get a few more from unimpressed Rs. Who cares? No EVs will go to either fringe. I guarantee D+R EVs will still equal 538, and there is absolutely not a fucking scintilla of difference in realpolitik between a 51-47 popular vote win with 2 on the fringes and a, say, 50-46 with 4 going to them.

[Ohioblue22]

34. Happens every election congrats you're part of a statistical norm

[Ohioblue22]

36. Tantrums threats and extortion good job Bernie. If you cant control your base how will u ever contr

Control Congress

[farleftlib]

39. So you like being controlled?

I'm an adult and I listen to what people ask or encourage me to do and then make
the decision that's right for me. Nobody controls me, especially someone who I've
never met and doesn't give a crap about me the day after election day.

[Ohioblue22]

43. Yeah president trump won't control you at all. Lol

[farleftlib]

44. If you don't want Trump

then vote for the only candidate who can beat him in the GE - Bernie Sanders!

[Ohioblue22]

49. Enjoy your bubble

[farleftlib]

51. Enjoy your defeat!

[Ohioblue22]

78. Making Bernie the nom will bring it

[Demsrule86]

117. Hell will freeze over

Before Bernie Sanders is nominated. He has lost. You are from Ohio...you know Bernie can't win Ohio...never ever. I live in Ohio.

[Peace Patriot]

122. Funny, latest polls show Sanders beating Trump in Ohio and Clinton LOSING!

You really don't know your state that well, apparently.

[Demsrule86]

164. Sander has not been vetted

Once the swiftboating began...some of you wouldn't vote for him. I live in Trumbull County if he can't win here he can't win Ohio. I know my state too. I saw the polls that were within the margin of error for Ohio...only state that had a larger win for Sanders was PA...and PA went for Hillary. There were polls showing Hillary beating McCain too and not Obama...how can he win if he can't take Ohio was the meme? He took Ohio twice. We don't pick nominees based on mostly worthless polls. She has the most delegates; she wins.

[AgingAmerican]

165. Swiftboating isn't vetting

Poo slinging isn't vetting

[Demsrule86]

175. The GOP version of vetting

is swiftboating. And if they can destroy a fine man like Kerry, they can destroy Bernie. There is a reason they want him in the general.

[AgingAmerican]

177. Swift-boating isn't vetting

Poo flinging isn't vetting

Poo flinging doesn't translate into votes, particularly in the Democratic Party

[Ohioblue22]

139. Oh i completely agree

[Loudestlib]

185. There is a good chance that you are arguing with someone that is being paid to argue.

[MisterP]

57. Clinton's faction has lost 13 senators and 69 Reps under a charismatic president

all they can hope for is a dead-cat bounce for November--Clinton's even taking the money she said would go to downticket races because she's so spenthrift

meanwhile Sanders attracts new voters and independents by the millions: the GE won't be a closed primary no matter how hysterically DWS tries to bar the door

[TwilightZone]

74. Clinton has won more open primaries than Sanders has

She's also up nearly 20% (51-33) on Trump with Independents, according to a CBS poll.

Trump has a serious electoral college problem, regardless of our nominee. If the election were held now, Clinton would thump him.

I think your version of reality could use a little work.

Sources: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-poll-hillary-clinton-leads-donald-trump-but-voters-view-both-unfavorably/

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/05/04/upshot/electoral-map-trump-clinton.html

[Ohioblue22]

150. 40% of whom are trump supporters from operation chaos

[AgingAmerican]

166. There is no such thing as 'Operation Chaos'

[Demsrule86]

168. Not happening

No matter how much you want it. You have to win a primary ...which makes me think he can't win a general either. Bernie would end up just like McGovern after the swiftboating began.

[dana_b]

158. "control" his base? We are not robots n/t

[Ohioblue22]

170. Yeah like the lady I heard talking to goldman. When norm told her Bernie said x, she said we don't

Care what he said

[dana_b]

174. lol... not surprised. But there are many more of us who

care what he says/thinks than who care what SHE says/thinks.

[Nonhlanhla]

38. THIS is why the Democratic Party does not take the Far Left seriously

They have shown time and time again that they are not a reliable voting block. So wooing them is a waste of time. The Far Left relegates themselves to the margins.

[Ohioblue22]

47. It's how we end up with dinos and blue-dogs the left can't be counted on to vote so our pols have to

Tack to the right to get votes . Then the left spends the next 4 years bitching about our centrist politicians. Short-sighted , stubborn and stupid

[farleftlib]

48. I would say HRC supporters shouldn't be taken seriously

YOu guys keep insisting on a candidate who polls show cannot beat him in the GE.

Maybe running a candidate who is more in touch with the left wing of the party would
eliminate this problem in the future.

[Renew Deal]

55. They show up

Do Sanders supporters or are there just fewer of them?

[JoePhilly]

94. + 1

[B Calm]

40. With me it's a matter of how tightly I pinch my nose. I hate the fact republicans are taking control

of my Democratic party.

[SidDithers]

42. Millions will sit out the election no matter what...

There, I fixed it for you.

Sid

[Lizzie Poppet]

46. I'll certainly vote...but probably not for president.

Definitely not for Clinton or Trump...

Lots of important stuff downballot, though, from other races to ballot measures.

[Demsrule86]

120. Again a big who cares?

Do you think that is meaningful. It is not.

[onenote]

50. What you are saying, in other words, is that Bernie lacks leadership qualities.

I don't think that's true.

[randome]

53. Well, as long as you proclaimed this to be a 'fact', I guess discussion can end now.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"Everybody is just on their feet screaming 'Kill Kill Kill'! This is -hockey- Conservative values!"[/center][/font][hr]

[Renew Deal]

54. The same will happen if Bernie is the candidate

There is no limit to selfish idiocy.

[workinclasszero]

59. What kind of idiot

would sit on their ass and let a fascist pig like Trump take over just because their fav didn't win?

I would have crawled on my belly across broken glass to vote for Bernie against Trump if he had gotten the nomination.

No real leftist/progressive/liberal is going to sit back and let Trump and the republican evil party take over.

Only the fake ones on message boards like DU. And they can all FO, as far as I'm concerned!

[Nonhlanhla]

95. +1

[Sheepshank]

60. figures

petulant, entitled adults in that tent for sure.

[randome]

62. It's not a tent! That sounds too much like the other parties!

Think of it as more of a tarp. A tarp for Independence! Now there's a rallying cry!


[hr][font color="blue"][center]"Everybody is just on their feet screaming 'Kill Kill Kill'! This is -hockey- Conservative values!"[/center][/font][hr]

[Andy823]

66. No, Bernie doesn't control them

But I bet a large majority of those who "will sit home" are controlled by Karl Rove! Many of them never voted for a Democrat in their life, and they never will. Pushing the "millions will stay home" crap is bullshit. Anyone with half a brain will get out and vote, because they know that if they don't things will be really shitty once Trump gets in the WH.

[msongs]

67. oddly enough your opinion is not fact nt

[TwilightZone]

69. Except there's no evidence of that.

None. DU and other similar sites aren't even remotely representative of reality. They really don't "prove" anything other than that a small group of people can commandeer a web forum.

In the real world, most of us will do - and are doing - pretty much anything we can to ensure that we do not end up with President Donald Trump. Equally important, we will be working on down-ticket races to get the next president, regardless of whether it's Bernie or Hillary - a Congress more amenable to a better agenda.

You can do that. Or you can stay home and rant on DU. Your choice.

[Blue_In_AK]

109. You don't read my Facebook feed.

Disaffection with the thought of a Hillary nomination goes far beyond DU.

[TwilightZone]

124. Facebook is no more representative of the voting public than DU.

Especially that of an individual.

Facebook. lol

[Blue_In_AK]

127. If do believe the election will be closer

than Hillary's supporters think. I hope I'm wrong, although I'm not thrilled by her candidacy.

[PDittie]

141. "DU and other similar sites aren't even remotely representative of reality"

That's false based on sheer absolutism. The "Latest Breaking News" forum for example, is based in reality.

[TwilightZone]

154. Your assertion is false based on the same premise.

LBN is only one small part of DU.

See how easy that was? Being pedantic only works if your pedantry is accurate.

[PDittie]

171. Insipid.

Your own words make a mockery of you.

"DU and other similar sites aren't even remotely representative of reality"

"LBN is only one small part of DU."

Who's a pedant again?

[LanternWaste]

70. Quite the little win-win for petulance and peevishness you've accomplished.

"Bernie doesn't control his supporters like unthinking robots..."

Both self-validating and a slap at those who vote other than as you do. Quite the little win-win for petulance and peevishness you've accomplished. Bravo, little fella. Bravo.

[Hiraeth]

71. I will do my civic duty as a citizen. It is my responsiblity and, my right as an American.

I do not take it for granted. I am part of the process however jaded, bizarre and surreal it has become.

[Onlooker]

72. That's reason enough to oppose Bernie Sanders for president

Too many of his supporters just don't get it. There are real consequences to nonresident immigrants, women, gays, blacks, and others if the White House is run by Republicans. The problem with Bernie is that he's from a state that is less than 1% black, and too many of his supporters simply do not care. They cannot be trusted. Too many of them are passive bigots, as the OP's warning attests to.

We should not cave to passive bigots, and should instead focus on the Democratic Party as a large inclusive party that is much bigger than Bernie Sanders and his supporters.

That said, most of his supporters will come around and vote for Hillary. Those that do are probably the same ones who allowed Republicans to get control of Congress in 2010, when only 22% of milennials voted and Democrats won by only a 55-44% margin. They did that even though Obama passed two of the most sweeping pieces of legislation since the New Deal, Obamacare and the Stimulus Bill, among other smaller pieces of progressive legislation.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

73. Passive resistance to a political system that is corrupt.

I always vote but can see why people have given up on the two party system corrupted by money and power.

“The abuse of buying and selling votes crept in and money began to play an important part in determining elections. Later on, this process of corruption spread in the law courts and to the army, and finally, when even the sword became enslaved by the power of gold, the republic was subjected to the rule of emperors.” —Plutarch

[Buns_of_Fire]

75. I see where this is headed. Oh, yes, I do...

Should Hillary be the nominee (likely) and should she lose to the Orange Rump (possibly), the leftish part of the party (the Sanders branch) is gonna be blamed. Oh, yes you are. You didn't clap loud enough, you said mean things, you didn't swoon at the mere mention of her name, whatever.

Your protests that you DID vote for her after all, even though you might have had to grit your teeth down to the gumline to do it, will be ignored. You weren't supportive enough. You actually made up your own mind, and were brazen enough to say so out loud.

You see, this isn't "Politician A" vs. "Politician B" anymore. It's become the Crusades. It's Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster -- somebody's gonna wind up stepped on, and you've been selected.

Just letting the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party know what might be coming. Plan accordingly. You're welcome.




P.S. You'll also be blamed for Halitosis, ingrown toenail, and terminal flatulence. I know you had nothing to do with any of them, but you committed thoughtcrime and must suffer for your lack of faith.

[Kip Humphrey]

76. They won't sit out should Bernie continues to run but as an independent if Hillary is the nominee.

[TwilightZone]

77. "continues to run as an independent"

He's not running as an independent. To "continue" to do something, you have to start that something.

He's running as a Democrat and has indicated that he plans to remain a Democrat. He's not going to run as an independent. I think he's made that pretty clear.

[Demsrule86]

182. Bernie has said he won't do that.

would hope Ralph Nader would have taught you all a lesson. Never allow a GOP to be elected president, and Trump is so crazy...even George W won't have anything to do with him.

[beachbumbob]

80. If sanders supporters want to shame Bernie and shame America by sitting out

They will have themselves to blame when it all goes bad....no one else but themselves

[nadinbrzezinski]

92. Yeah because we know a less than inspirational candidate

Is always above the fray

[SusanLarson]

81. DINO

She knows she has no chance to get them so is attempting to charm her base Republicans. She's already taking millions from Ted Cruz's fundraisers. She is not a democrat, and never has been. She is the poster child for DINO.

[oasis]

84. Millions will get their asses kicked by an ultra right SCOTUS.

So stay home and prepare for 2 to 3 decades of pure hell.

[ViseGrip]

85. Hillary instead of telling us about policies we both like, goes over to the republicans. Yikes.

She is not going to 'voter', and I don't mind republicans donating and supporting her. You need both sides to win. BUT SHE IS GOING TO THE BAS-TURDS BUNDLERS! REPUBLICAN SPECIAL INTERESTS. Wow....that is not like Bernie having 'republican supporters'.

He does not go to Bush's 'bundlers'.

[Orsino]

87. Millions already do.

This year might be a little different, but apathy is a thing we're used to.

[samrock]

97. Ah the old "I'll hold my breath until I turn blue

If I don't get my way" defense. I gave that up when I turned 7

[agracie]

98. I will skip voting for Prez, or write in Bernie. Will vote for down ticket Berniecrats.

[Demsrule86]

118. I don't now why you would bother

Trump wins...we don't get the Senate...they will have all three branches of government. Of course, I think Hillary has a good shot with or without your sort.

[agracie]

160. "my sort" ?! So much for your sparkly kindness and love...

[Demsrule86]

162. The sort that are so bitter about losing

they would help unleash a Trump presidency on folks. Sorry, I have no affection for those of you who pout and won't vote. What you describe is the same as voting for Trump.

[Rass]

111. We need change

Anyone following politics understands that Hillary is not going to rock the boat. She is a right-winger after all. I 'd rather write in Bernie or vote for Jill Stein (Green Party). No republican-lite.

[Demsrule86]

121. I so sure that

that Trump as president and a right-wing SCOTUS is the change that you need...indeed.

[Rass]

163. Looking forward to President Bernie

[Demsrule86]

176. You are in denial

He will never be president.

[kstewart33]

113. I'd estimate that many if not most of those millions have never voted.

So they'll return to their apathetic mode concerning participating in elections. A loss for sure, but their votes are their own.

[shanti]

114. i won't sit it out

because i want to vote for rec cannabis here in CA. however, i'll not vote for a conservative, so if bernie isn't on the ballot, i'll write him in, and my brother has stated the same. the lesser of two evils is still evil!

[MineralMan]

115. Millions ALWAYS sit out presidential elections.

We have truly abysmal voter turnout in this country. It's even worse in years where a President isn't elected.

People stay home for all sorts of reasons. They will stay home for all sorts of reasons this year, too.

The ones who show up are the ones who decide. That is, and always has been, true. And so it will be again in 2016.

The lesson? Show up and vote. It's that simple.

[Demsrule86]

116. I guess Bernie getting in at all was a disaster for the progressive movement then

Because if you think any 'revolution ' can survive Trump and five picks for SCOTUS then I have a famous bridge in Brooklyn to sell you... Why did you do it Bernie...we had demographics and momentum...now we have division and a potential GE loss. Trump is a tyrant in the making; we will be lucky if we get to vote again if he is elected. I wonder how many will die under Trump? Ah well,any movement has collateral damage, right? Hopefully...we won't all be glowing in the dark as he uses nukes on someone anyone...because he is crazy.

[Voice for Peace]

125. Exactly so! Genie is OUT of the bottle

Big waves rolling in.

[Gomez163]

128. The TOS here sure doesn't control them.

[Eko]

129. They did it in 2014.

Why should we expect anything different this time around? Independents and the young, helping republicans incrementally.

[Eko]

143. If Independents had a motto

"So long and thanks for all the fish!"

[A Little Weird]

167. You're not going to get anything different

Until you start running candidates people can get behind. The dems on the ticket in my state were republican-lite. The party leaders pushed them heavily. When given a choice between a pretend republican and a real one, voters will choose the real one every time.

[Eko]

172. That's one way to look at it.

Another way is that independents and young people just dont like politics very much as a whole. They may like some politicians every once in a while, but not politics. They genuinely believe that both parties are the same for the most part, and being ignorant of politics they cant see how that is drastically wrong. They are a product of the republican narrative that has been foisted onto people for a long time and for them politics is a game you win not an actual process. Not all are like this, but the majority is. You can blame the leaders all you want, its not them. They are the product of us, and we suck.

[Trust Buster]

130. And that's precisely why we would be foolish to discount Trump's path to the presidency.

[silvershadow]

131. Oh well. They have been warned for many months. It will all be on them. nt

[Bill USA]

137. Primary Turnout Means Nothing For The General Election, empirically validated, not an opinion

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511936305

[Lil Missy]

155. I seriously doubt that. What is your source? Or, did you pull that outta yer ass?

[dana_b]

157. yep!! very true n/t

[ecstatic]

161. I'm assuming they also sat out in 2012... so does it really matter

if a group of politically inactive people stay inactive?

[NorthCarolina]

169. Yep -nt-

[Adrahil]

173. In other words...

They give no fucks about the country under Trump. Hey, maybe we should just all throw a tantrum and not vote if our preferred candidate doesn't win.

Fuck That and anyone who would threaten that. They are self-obsessed assholes.

[apcalc]

178. That could work both ways , dontcha know, eh?

[EndElectoral]

180. K&R

[MariaThinks]

186. Good for them. I hope they enjoy a president trump

if it comes to that.

[doc03]

187. So they are that stupid that they would let someone like Trump win the election? n/t

[slipslidingaway]

191. Do you have something against robots ...

[imagine2015]

193. For weekend DU'ers