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Logical

(22,457 posts)
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:38 PM May 2016

Before this election season, 71% of dems never heard of or had no opinion about Bernie.....

Yet he is still taking states from "inevitable" Hillary!

This shows how weak a candidate Hillary is. Like in 2008, an unknown is causing her to struggle.


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Before this election season, 71% of dems never heard of or had no opinion about Bernie..... (Original Post) Logical May 2016 OP
And 60% still don't care... beachbumbob May 2016 #1
Lol, hill is really likable Logical May 2016 #5
Anyone offering $18 trillion in free benefits can create a buzz. Whoop de Doo. Trust Buster May 2016 #2
Hey,that's what my shit head conservative uncle said! wendylaroux May 2016 #6
a broken clock... Demsrule86 May 2016 #7
really? f those people that need help!!!? is that it? wendylaroux May 2016 #11
Apparently, they don't care. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #14
Jesus,makes me nauseous ,it really does. wendylaroux May 2016 #16
Hey I am for single payer...I always have been Demsrule86 May 2016 #15
Bernie would have pushed for it,H does not want it,we need a strong wendylaroux May 2016 #18
He would not get it with the House as it is Demsrule86 May 2016 #43
Well he could have,but it seems it does not matter now.Sad. wendylaroux May 2016 #45
It is sad. Demsrule86 May 2016 #47
no,he's come this far,he should do what he wants,like H did in 08 wendylaroux May 2016 #48
None of that is foolishness rock May 2016 #32
With his election,he could have started the conversation towards wendylaroux May 2016 #35
Yes, the interesting thing is rock May 2016 #38
it all has to start somewhere.This party has got to go back to the left. wendylaroux May 2016 #40
Then you should listen to him. Sanders didn't create a buzz by NOT offering trillions in goodies. Trust Buster May 2016 #10
he wants to help people who need help,not give it to the rich.you don't agree? wendylaroux May 2016 #12
He sounds like a decent guy. Trust Buster May 2016 #23
Free tax breaks for billionaires, free drones for the military, free protection for banksters lagomorph777 May 2016 #22
Its enough to make a sensible moderade "go galt", amirite? Warren DeMontague May 2016 #26
That wasn't the question of the OP. It was why Sanders became popular. I have 18 trillion reasons. Trust Buster May 2016 #27
That 18 trillion number is bullshit. Widely debunked. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #28
Attach whatever number you wish. It would be disingenuous to deny that the benefits that Trust Buster May 2016 #29
What has led to his newfound popularity is a hunger for authentic leadership. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #31
Actually the number matters nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #37
RW talking point nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #36
Yep,put men on the moon too,crazy shit. Go Vols May 2016 #42
Nah...he won't win any state except Vermont! TCJ70 May 2016 #3
Yet we're going to nominate someone with higher negatives lastone May 2016 #4
Sounds like a winning strategy to me!! wendylaroux May 2016 #8
He's still losing, right? brooklynite May 2016 #9
Hillary had EVERY advantage and still struggling. Very telling. Nt Logical May 2016 #17
Bernie continues to lose despite all those rally crowds; very telling... brooklynite May 2016 #20
It's not zero sum. Eric J in MN May 2016 #19
It's zero-sum with respect to the Democratic nomination for President... brooklynite May 2016 #21
Oh he def. will be!!!! wendylaroux May 2016 #41
Sanders is now 70 percent favorable, 18 percent unfavorable, among Democrats Eric J in MN May 2016 #13
He has had a lot of help. NCTraveler May 2016 #24
25 years in the Senate and hardly anyone knew who he was. randome May 2016 #25
And yet he beat Hillary in 20 states. reformist2 May 2016 #34
He did a great job there, no doubt about it. His ideas are important. randome May 2016 #39
LOL, yet took another state from ms. Inevitable. Logical May 2016 #44
I respected and admired him. Sparkly May 2016 #30
well, that's more than some of us can say for Hillary n/t dana_b May 2016 #46
Bernie wins the "most improved" ribbon nt firebrand80 May 2016 #33

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
11. really? f those people that need help!!!? is that it?
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:21 PM
May 2016

need to see a dr./dentist

food for their family

warm place to live

all of this is foolishness?? can't be done!!?? you don't want it done??!!

America has the money to help it's people!!

Please don't stay brainwashed or cruel,your whole life,you just may regret some day.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
15. Hey I am for single payer...I always have been
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:31 PM
May 2016

However, we are not going to get it as long as the GOP has the House and until we have a population that wants it...Pelosi sacrificed her majority to get health care...I wish it had a public option. However, imperfect though it may be, it has saved thousands perhaps millions of lives. We tried for over a hundred years to get any sort of health care. America does have the money to take care of its own and should;but taxes have to be raised. You won't get the house to part with any money or raise taxes. Thus, we need someone who can work with our existing situation and get some stuff done and stand in the way of the truly awful things the GOP wants to do in the future. We literally stand between starving babies and the GOP...and not voting or voting for Trump is a vote to starve babies. We also need to stop the Gop from packing the courts or any chance of progressive change is dead. I have always thought Hillary can win the GE. I don't believe Bernie could after the swiftboating begins..there is a reason why the GOP wants Bernie. I actually voted for Bernie in Ohio...I knew I could because Ohio would never go for Bernie and I wanted to pull the party a bit left. I always intended to vote for Hillary in the General and so will my kids who like Bernie and are old enough to vote because they are not stupid and understand the Trump danger.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
18. Bernie would have pushed for it,H does not want it,we need a strong
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:33 PM
May 2016

voice for the people. H is anything but.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
43. He would not get it with the House as it is
Tue May 10, 2016, 07:27 PM
May 2016

But my fear with Bernie is that he can not win a general. This election because of the courts is way to important to lose.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
47. It is sad.
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:26 PM
May 2016

That we are reduced to saving the courts when more Democrats voted for the house than the GOP and but for the gerrymander we would have had it. I think we will take the Senate...assuming Bernie does not blow up the party...say what you will...he serves no purpose now. I believe we are at the beginning of a truly progressive movement but not if we blow this election and lose the courts.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
48. no,he's come this far,he should do what he wants,like H did in 08
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:32 PM
May 2016

it won't hurt H,people have already made up their minds.

rock

(13,218 posts)
32. None of that is foolishness
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:52 PM
May 2016

The foolishness is in thinking that Sanders can deliver it (along with everything elese he promises).

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
35. With his election,he could have started the conversation towards
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:58 PM
May 2016

his ideas,helping the people. The majority of people already want single payer,

Bernie would listen to the will of the people.

H will not do this.She has never said any of these things Bernie has.

So,we will continue to slide further to the right in the dem. party.

rock

(13,218 posts)
38. Yes, the interesting thing is
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:51 PM
May 2016

His approach makes some sense if he were talking an incremental approach (how Hillary does things) but I do not hear this from the Bernie camp, in fact, they tend to pooh-pooh incrementalism. These are (really) huge changes that Bernie is proposing.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
40. it all has to start somewhere.This party has got to go back to the left.
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:55 PM
May 2016

The little guy needs a champion again.It is bad,and not getting

any better for so many.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
22. Free tax breaks for billionaires, free drones for the military, free protection for banksters
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:41 PM
May 2016

Yeah, free stuff sucks.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
28. That 18 trillion number is bullshit. Widely debunked.
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:37 PM
May 2016

The fact of the matter is it is disingenuous- to say the least- to claim that "18 trillion of free stuff" which includes suppsedly 17 trillion in health care spending, is somehow a logical asssement of the proposal when it negates the fact that a single payer plan would eliminate not just the overhead of the private insurance industry (estimated in some cases as up to 20% on top of the other costs) but would also take peoples' insurance premiums out of the equation entirely.

But according to the CDC, total health spending in the US is 3 Trillion dollars, more or less. So to believe this "17 trillion" bullshit, you would have to imagine that putting everyone in the country under a single payer plan would magically multiply total spending on health care costs by nearly SIX FUCKING TIMES.

health care isnt like grass-fed beef. People dont run out and get extra triple bypasses that they dont need just because now they can afford it. And if total spending would go up, what that means is there are a lot of people who ARENT getting the care they need, under the current arrangement.


But my main point is, "FREE STUFF WARRRRGGHHHBLLLLLL" is a boilerplate right wing meme, chief.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
29. Attach whatever number you wish. It would be disingenuous to deny that the benefits that
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:40 PM
May 2016

Sanders is offering is not what has lead to his new found popularity.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
37. Actually the number matters
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:09 PM
May 2016

that is a difference of 15 T

The US budget is 3.8 Trillion. (as of FY 2015 by the way, according to the GAO)

So he was going to spend money at over three times, yes I rounded up to 4, so it is just under 4 times the size of the federal budget.
And you wonder why we have a good chuckle every time you post and show this level of yes, ignorance.

Like yesterday, I am going to offer to you one of these tunnel diggers, just avoid the mantle

It is hot.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
42. Yep,put men on the moon too,crazy shit.
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016
from 1932-1976, the Democratic Party as a whole was far more progressive. The issues and approaches advocated today by Bernie Sanders were considered mainstream Democratic ideas by Franklin D. Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, and Lyndon Johnson, and even many moderate Republicans. It was common to support strict financial regulation, liberal immigration, social services for the poor, and progressive tax policies.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/there-is-a-moderate-republican-in-this-race_b_9704194.html
 

lastone

(588 posts)
4. Yet we're going to nominate someone with higher negatives
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:42 PM
May 2016

Than any other Democrat in history, and then we're going to wonder what the f*** happened when Donald f****** Trump walks into the White House and paints everything gold. I'll come back here repeatedly and say I told you so it won't be fun.

brooklynite

(94,552 posts)
9. He's still losing, right?
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:14 PM
May 2016

The "started from nothing" line doesn't work anymore.

He;s a serious candidate running a serious campaign; he just doesn't happen to be winning it.

POlitics is a zero-sum game. Only ONE candidate can win. That person happens to be Hillary Clinton.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
19. It's not zero sum.
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

Bernie Sanders is a US Senator. He may be a more powerful US Senator next year than he was last year.

brooklynite

(94,552 posts)
21. It's zero-sum with respect to the Democratic nomination for President...
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:38 PM
May 2016

I'll be happy to have him back in the Senate. And maybe I'll see him again at a future DSCC event.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
24. He has had a lot of help.
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:12 PM
May 2016

“In Iowa, American Crossroads is helping Bernie Sanders by depicting Hillary Clinton as a Wall Street insider,” Jack Pitney, a political science professor at Claremont McKenna College, wrote on his blog.


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-19/republican-operatives-are-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders

American Crossroads has spent money in numerous states. They take credit for how close Arizona was. They should. They gave Sanders a lot of help. Amazing Clinton is walking away with it considering republicans have been helping Sanders literally from the first state.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
25. 25 years in the Senate and hardly anyone knew who he was.
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:25 PM
May 2016

That's why he has fewer endorsements than Ted Cruz. His ideas are great but he is ineffective. That's the simple truth.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"Everybody is just on their feet screaming 'Kill Kill Kill'! This is -hockey- Conservative values!"[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
39. He did a great job there, no doubt about it. His ideas are important.
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:55 PM
May 2016

And yet he lost the nomination. That's just the way things are.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"Everybody is just on their feet screaming 'Kill Kill Kill'! This is -hockey- Conservative values!"[/center][/font][hr]

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
30. I respected and admired him.
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:41 PM
May 2016

Now I've seen how much he really cares about the issues he claims to champion.

He's lost all my respect.

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