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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:09 PM May 2016

If Hillary loses to trump, it's all on her and her campaign. It won't be my fault

or the fault of Bernie's supporters or Bernie. And the preemptive blaming of Bernie supporters for a potential loss, all the while proclaimimg that she'll wipe him off the map, is bullshit.

If Hillary loses it's because of her choices and her judgment.

She chose to make those speeches while knowing she was likely to run.

She chose to set up a private server in her basement.

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If Hillary loses to trump, it's all on her and her campaign. It won't be my fault (Original Post) cali May 2016 OP
Ok. CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #1
Everyone here was going to blame you, so BeyondGeography May 2016 #2
I know you are trying to be sarcastic, bvar22 May 2016 #25
If they haven't gotten the message by now, I doubt they ever will. You are absolutely correct. nt silvershadow May 2016 #26
The are chomping at the bit Aerows May 2016 #32
Bwahahahaha!!!! JoePhilly May 2016 #35
Good for you jehop61 May 2016 #3
Noted griffi94 May 2016 #4
I agree but boy howdy will we get the blame. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #5
The hell I will. Aerows May 2016 #38
You're awesome! Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #42
Anyone blames me for Princess Weathervane's loss... Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #108
My thoughts exactly cali. litlbilly May 2016 #6
Hillary is going to kick Trumps butt... asuhornets May 2016 #7
Ok. LexVegas May 2016 #8
Sounds good. NCTraveler May 2016 #9
+1 Buzz Clik May 2016 #17
Oh really? shawn703 May 2016 #30
So... my post about HRC's supporters somehow made you think of a call ... Buzz Clik May 2016 #48
What's your argument? shawn703 May 2016 #53
That you can't stay on topic. Buzz Clik May 2016 #57
Looks like a 'let it go' situation :-) RiverNoord May 2016 #61
I looked at it. RiverNoord May 2016 #56
We differ. Buzz Clik May 2016 #59
NADERITES!11!2 frylock May 2016 #43
+ 1 JoePhilly May 2016 #36
Bookmarked Logical May 2016 #76
Bookmarking your bookmark. NCTraveler May 2016 #105
It will be the fault of every person, or group that actively sought to sink Sanders campaign AgingAmerican May 2016 #10
It's with deep regret that I feel compelled to inform you that the world does not revolve around you Trust Buster May 2016 #11
And if Bernie loses to Hillary whose fault is it? JaneyVee May 2016 #12
I just made a similar post (reply, not OP) on another thread. I guess the polls showing her merrily May 2016 #13
Yeah... ReRe May 2016 #14
"She's already won. But if she loses it's not her fault." Fuck that shit. CentralCoaster May 2016 #15
As if anyone thought you could possibly play a role. Buzz Clik May 2016 #16
I know, right? NurseJackie May 2016 #19
Oh my, an opinion was thought out and expressed in some detail. libdem4life May 2016 #113
Cool story, bro. nt onehandle May 2016 #18
Honey, you're not responsible for any failures or successes. The Second Stone May 2016 #20
Oh pumpkin, your words are just so devastating. cali May 2016 #22
One hundred eleven thousand posts later The Second Stone May 2016 #70
The Clinton followers own the decision to either lose to Sanders or Trump. They are choosing rhett o rick May 2016 #21
There's a large mirror that's got your name on it. nt kstewart33 May 2016 #65
Exactly this. Puglover May 2016 #23
It's quite simple: if trump wins the election the blame will belong to those who did not do the most onenote May 2016 #24
Voice of reason tonyt53 May 2016 #27
I dunno. Sounds more like voice of treason to me when you look at the KPN May 2016 #41
If anyone can explain what your post means, I'd be most grateful. onenote May 2016 #46
You hurt my feelings! KPN May 2016 #50
Could you provide some substance to this line of poop? libdem4life May 2016 #112
No, blame will fall on the Party and its candidate. A Party KPN May 2016 #37
Since when it is the fault of voters Aerows May 2016 #49
^^This^^ panader0 May 2016 #58
Blaming voters who don't vote for a candidate is like blaming buyers cause they didn't buy new Coke onenote May 2016 #60
If the choice is between arsenic and drain cleaner A Little Weird May 2016 #69
Maybe that's how you see the choice onenote May 2016 #84
Oh I much prefer Clinton over Trump A Little Weird May 2016 #86
and again, that is how you see it. onenote May 2016 #87
I have never claimed to be everyone A Little Weird May 2016 #88
Nope. But I'm not the one making declarations about "we" being fucked onenote May 2016 #90
In my opinion A Little Weird May 2016 #91
Yep Bernie supporters choices are all about Me Me Me lostnfound May 2016 #109
If people don't buy it Aerows May 2016 #75
Some of the blame WILL fall on the shoulders of those... bvar22 May 2016 #121
C'mon Op, eat that shit sandwich Rass May 2016 #28
Atta girl! Mo Do and Saint Ralph said the same thing in 2000. Vogon_Glory May 2016 #29
Being silly enough to blame Gore's loss on Nader gets you an immediate place on the ignore list. Maedhros May 2016 #77
Fair Enough, I won't miss Ayatollah Ralph's acolytes either n/t Vogon_Glory May 2016 #107
My sentiments exactly cali. Well said. KPN May 2016 #31
Your supposed to keep saying BS is winning!.. dubyadiprecession May 2016 #33
Nah. They'll blame the Green candidate in a close swing state loss. PDittie May 2016 #34
Oh the drama. JoePhilly May 2016 #39
It's funny to see all the conservatives here laughing at this notion.. frylock May 2016 #40
You stay home it is YOUR fault beachbumbob May 2016 #44
That edict would apply PDittie May 2016 #55
So you'd rather those sanders supporters in West Virginia lostnfound May 2016 #110
If you truly want to be irrelevant, I hope you get your wish. randome May 2016 #45
If Hillary loses jamese777 May 2016 #47
If you choose to not vote, or vote for non viable candidates, I am afraid it will be your fault. synergie May 2016 #51
Amen to that. Punkingal May 2016 #52
How can it be Sanders supporters faults? Shadowflash May 2016 #54
By that "logic?" jamese777 May 2016 #66
I won't blame Sanders, because he will endorse Hillary and campaign for her, Nye Bevan May 2016 #62
Yes against Trump ablamj May 2016 #72
If his supporters respect him so little that they will ignore his recommendation on who to vote for, Nye Bevan May 2016 #73
It says we can think ablamj May 2016 #74
Actually, it would say he lacks leadership qualities onenote May 2016 #93
it says nothing about ablamj May 2016 #98
No person living or dead other than Jesus Christ has such a level of influence on me TheKentuckian May 2016 #104
If your name isn't God then I don't give a solitary fuck about who someone tells TheKentuckian May 2016 #103
If Clinton loses, it will be because people handed the election to Trump. kstewart33 May 2016 #63
^^^This. Bleacher Creature May 2016 #92
Noted, cali is not at fault. Are you done now? nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #64
Sounds good to me. I doubt she'll lose to Trump though. beaglelover May 2016 #67
The Hillarybots, at least the ones here, have been trying very hard SheilaT May 2016 #68
And we have been trying to warn them with FACTS on ISSUES, but they will not engage pdsimdars May 2016 #71
^ This here. +1000 bvf May 2016 #78
^== Nails it. nt IdaBriggs May 2016 #111
As always, crickets. Facts just go the way of Bubble Politics. libdem4life May 2016 #117
It will be your fault Renew Deal May 2016 #79
Yep. If she can't beat the likes of Trump that's on her. CharlotteVale May 2016 #80
It's too late. They're already inoculating themselves ... RufusTFirefly May 2016 #81
That's right. "Give her 8-10 years until she can get her true progressive side warmed up". GoneFishin May 2016 #85
At this point, it's not a question of whether, it's by how big a margin. ucrdem May 2016 #82
It could be Nader all over again creeksneakers2 May 2016 #83
It's a myth that Nader cost Gore the election. That's been thoroughly debunked. riderinthestorm May 2016 #94
I've heard all that countless times creeksneakers2 May 2016 #96
Okie dokie Stuckinthebush May 2016 #89
Gore picked a piece of dogshit for VP. JEB May 2016 #95
Hillary is responsible for her own problems. senz May 2016 #97
Big K&R!! dana_b May 2016 #99
Well, the same thing could be said about why Bernie is losing to Hillary. all american girl May 2016 #100
If Clinton (or Sanders) loses. Bad Dog May 2016 #101
Spot on Depaysement May 2016 #102
Amen. RiverLover May 2016 #106
Tough to be a household name and win against an unknown. Not. libdem4life May 2016 #116
Correct (nt) bigwillq May 2016 #114
That would be America's fault, not Clinton's. Orsino May 2016 #115
Justify voting for Trump however you want, but you those who... themaguffin May 2016 #118
You are correct, the ramblings posted in GD-Pee have ZERO impact on the election snooper2 May 2016 #119
She also chose to turn the Clinton Foundation into a pay to play slush & influence fund. ny mhatrw May 2016 #120

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
25. I know you are trying to be sarcastic,
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:19 PM
May 2016

but if Hillary loses to Trump, hang around for all the finger pointing, tears, rage, bitterness, and blaming of Sanders supporters.
It WILL happen.

Some here are still wailing an gnashing their teeth at Nader for Gore's loss in 2000.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
26. If they haven't gotten the message by now, I doubt they ever will. You are absolutely correct. nt
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
32. The are chomping at the bit
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:30 PM
May 2016

to start the Nader wailing. I've repeatedly said it isn't my fault, either. Point your fingers at Hillary and the DNC.

None of them have bothered to wonder if she has a significant portion of Democrats that don't want to vote for her how on earth they think she will fare against Independents and Republicans.

I've asked before: Will Hillary Clinton make up for the lost Democrats (and absent enthusiasm) with Independents and cross-over Republicans?

I get *crickets* *crickets* *crickets*

"Beating" Bernie is the absolute least of her campaign's worries. Shaming and fear mongering 'recalcitrant' Bernie supporters into voting for her is what they have left, and strong-minded people are the ones that are ardent Bernie supporters to begin with, i.e. people with whom such tactics are not effective.

If I wasn't a Democrat, I wouldn't be pointing this out. I'd just keep my mouth shut and watch it implode. Since I am a Democrat, I point this out because our party is at stake. Heading into the general election with a candidate getting interviewed by the FBI and possibly being indicted, the Clinton Foundation arms-for-donations shady business and assorted other unsavory dealings should give long-term Democrats pause.

But it doesn't. Every Democrat gets to suffer through this general election if she is the nominee, and you know what? I *WILL* be the one to say I told you so, because I have said this for months. The minute she is the nominee it won't just be the boom dropping - it will be the whole fucking Titanic, and she will take us all with her.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
5. I agree but boy howdy will we get the blame.
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:12 PM
May 2016

That's alright though. I live in a blue state but I've recently wondered if enough people are as fed up as I am, might we go purple or even red? I don't think so but a line has to be drawn somewhere.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
38. The hell I will.
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:35 PM
May 2016

Strong, cogent arguments have been made to the contrary repeatedly by many of us. They just haven't listened. I will be the first to say "I told you so" to anybody that even starts their "it's your fault" bullshit.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
42. You're awesome!
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:38 PM
May 2016

I agree, wholeheartedly.

However, we will get the shit sandwich - to which I will opine "the bread is fantastic".

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
108. Anyone blames me for Princess Weathervane's loss...
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:40 AM
May 2016

...will be told in no uncertain terms what I think of that sort of steaming load.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
9. Sounds good.
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:14 PM
May 2016

Grabs notepad. "Don't blame anonymous internet poster cali for the GE."

I'm thinking she will kick Trumps ass.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
17. +1
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:26 PM
May 2016

She must think HRC supporters are like Bernie's: if something goes wrong, look for someone to blame.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
48. So... my post about HRC's supporters somehow made you think of a call ...
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:47 PM
May 2016

... Bill made to Clyburn 8 years ago? And that recollection somehow fits into this conversation?

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
53. What's your argument?
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:55 PM
May 2016

That Bill isn't a HRC supporter? Or that he wasn't blaming others for her failed campaign?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
57. That you can't stay on topic.
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:00 PM
May 2016

2008, not 2016. Primary, not GE. Bill Clinton, not the DU fan base.

There's nothing about your post that is relevant to the conversation other than it reminded you of sumpin.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
61. Looks like a 'let it go' situation :-)
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

My father has always had almost zero comprehension of simile and metaphor. Comparing one thing to another has always been completely useless, because the very concept of comparison requires a difference between the things being compared.

Dunno if Mr. Buzz Clik has the same problem, but I wouldn't rule it out...

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
56. I looked at it.
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:59 PM
May 2016

It's about Bill Clinton apparently directly blaming Clyburn for his wife's failure to win the South Carolina Democratic primary.

Seems to be exceptionally relevant to any discussing about people wrongly scapegoating others for politicians' failures.

And even more relevant to a campaign involving Hillary Clinton as a candidate, since that's the exact subject of the article.

But whatever. Maybe the concept of relevance is different for you than it is for most people.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
105. Bookmarking your bookmark.
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:09 AM
May 2016

Also adding it to the non-existent spreadsheet I've been told I'm in possession of.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
10. It will be the fault of every person, or group that actively sought to sink Sanders campaign
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:15 PM
May 2016

And I will have Zero sympathy for them when it happens.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
11. It's with deep regret that I feel compelled to inform you that the world does not revolve around you
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:19 PM
May 2016
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
12. And if Bernie loses to Hillary whose fault is it?
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:20 PM
May 2016

Better yet, when Hillary beats Trump, whose fault is it?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
13. I just made a similar post (reply, not OP) on another thread. I guess the polls showing her
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:22 PM
May 2016

losing ground in head to head polls against Trump, the candidate currently touted on the first page as being much less popular than lice, have panicked a segment of DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1935313

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
14. Yeah...
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:23 PM
May 2016

... but we know who they will blame it all on: Bernie Sanders.

"Because he could think of no one but himself."

(which would be exactly the opposite of what Bernie DID do, i.e. he could think of no one but The People and his supporters.)

But all is not lost, cali. Because all is not over yet. We have 9 states to go, and two of them come due tonight. WV and NE.

Like I said: It ain't over till it's over! Proceed, Bernie!!!!>>>>>>>>>

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
113. Oh my, an opinion was thought out and expressed in some detail.
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:32 AM
May 2016

Ego...on a discussion board? But at least there was a 7 word rebuttal. Usually it's under 5 words. Intellectually vacuous combined with hubris.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
20. Honey, you're not responsible for any failures or successes.
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

You have to put in an effort first. Whining on the internet isn't an effort.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
21. The Clinton followers own the decision to either lose to Sanders or Trump. They are choosing
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:48 PM
May 2016

to lose to Trump.

We warned them that Hillary could not defeat Trump. Many of the people that came out to support Sanders did so to fight the corruption of the Establishment system that sees the DNC clearly supporting Clinton and will not participate in the corrupt system in spite of the demands of the Establishment. It's the hubris of the Establishment that they think they can demand instead of "win over" the Sanders supporters.

Those that didn't heed the warnings that Hillary would lose to Trump need look no further than the mirror for the responsibility of such a lose.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
23. Exactly this.
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:00 PM
May 2016

I HOPE she doesn't lose. I think there is a very real possibility she might.

Although I post very little here, if the unthinkable happens I will NEVER engage with the "it's Bernies supporters fault crowd."

I will have four words and four words only.

"I told you so."

And on edit I really do not want to ever have to say that.

onenote

(42,383 posts)
24. It's quite simple: if trump wins the election the blame will belong to those who did not do the most
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:01 PM
May 2016

basic thing to prevent that: voting for the Democratic party nominee.

That means blame will fall on the repubs that vote for Trump or that don't vote for anyone or vote third party.
That means blame will fall on the independents that vote for Trump or that don't for anyone or vote third party.
Than means blame will fall on the Democrats that vote for Trump or that don't vote for anyone or vote third party.

All will equally share the blame if Trump becomes president.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
27. Voice of reason
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:25 PM
May 2016

But it falls on deaf ears of Bernie-ites. They want no responsibility. That is why most have never bothered to register or vote even though they could have in the past. They want free stuff, without having to work for it. No responsibility.

KPN

(15,587 posts)
41. I dunno. Sounds more like voice of treason to me when you look at the
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:38 PM
May 2016

Party record the past 35 years. As the Repugs move further and further to the right, so does leadership in the Democratic Party/DNC as well as its membership.

The GOP will be the Party of Ted Cruz and the Tea Partiers in the future. Rathger than move right toward them, the Democratic Party needs to move in the opposite direction.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
112. Could you provide some substance to this line of poop?
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:27 AM
May 2016

Oh, and Talking Points for HRC are not considered substance. And as to reason? Not.

KPN

(15,587 posts)
37. No, blame will fall on the Party and its candidate. A Party
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:35 PM
May 2016

earns loyalty by representing its members. It might get it regardless for a while -- as people are generally reasonable, understanding, realistic and forgiving. But it should not and won't be successful taking that for granted, i.e., depending on unearned loyalty. That simply has its limits in every relationship.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
49. Since when it is the fault of voters
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:49 PM
May 2016

if there is an unappealing candidate and voters don't vote for them?

If Hillary Clinton can't get cross-over Republican votes, that's Hillary's fault. President Obama got some, Bill got a bunch of them.

If Hillary Clinton can't get Independent votes, that's Hillary's fault. President Obama got some, Bill got a bunch of them.

If Hillary Clinton can't get Democratic votes, that's Hillary's fault.

Blaming voters who don't vote for a candidate is like blaming buyers because they didn't buy new Coke. Was it the fault of the buyers because they didn't buy it, or was there another problem that didn't involve, marketing, advertising and hype?

You can market, advertise and outreach all day long, but if your product is unsuccessful, it might just be the product.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
58. ^^This^^
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:00 PM
May 2016

She is an unappealing candidate. My girlfriend, who voted for Obama twice, will not vote for her.
I don't know what I'll do at this point. I'm still feeling the Bern.
"If your product is unsuccessful, it just might be the product."

onenote

(42,383 posts)
60. Blaming voters who don't vote for a candidate is like blaming buyers cause they didn't buy new Coke
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:01 PM
May 2016

Not really. In your example, not buying new Coke doesn't result in everyone being forced to drink arsenic.

But not stopping Trump....that's allowing a lethal disease to spread. One that threatens the well being of the very people that the Democratic party historically has made it a priority to protect: religious and ethnic minorities, the disabled, women, and (more recently) gays.



A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
69. If the choice is between arsenic and drain cleaner
Tue May 10, 2016, 07:32 PM
May 2016

Can you blame people for choosing to not drink either?

onenote

(42,383 posts)
84. Maybe that's how you see the choice
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:57 PM
May 2016

But Hispanics prefer Clinton over Trump by more than 65 points, women prefer Clinton over Trump by more than 25 points, African Americans prefer Clinton over Trump by 70 points. I don't have numbers at hand, but i suspect that the percentages of Muslims that prefer Clinton over Trump, the percentage of disabled people who prefer Clinton over Trump, the percentage of gay and lesbian people that prefer Clinton over Trump are comparable astronomical.

So it would seem that while you see the choice as being between arsenic and drain cleaner, the groups that historically have been at the heart of the Democratic party don't.

Which suggests a certain lack of empathy on your part.

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
86. Oh I much prefer Clinton over Trump
Wed May 11, 2016, 12:02 AM
May 2016

Just as I prefer arsenic over drain cleaner. But we will be fucked with either one of them.

onenote

(42,383 posts)
87. and again, that is how you see it.
Wed May 11, 2016, 12:08 AM
May 2016

But you aren't everyone.

For example, Clinton has a plus 29 percent favorability rating with African American voters.


lostnfound

(16,139 posts)
109. Yep Bernie supporters choices are all about Me Me Me
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:30 AM
May 2016

I think a $3 Milllion wedding shows a lack of empathy personally but what do I know. Nothing. Which is why I am unsure that I am qualified to vote in November. You know, low income people are turning out to vote for Trump. Where's your empathy for them? Hahaha, in case you don't get that I'm being facetious.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
75. If people don't buy it
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:16 PM
May 2016

no matter how unpalatable the alternative is, it might be the product.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
121. Some of the blame WILL fall on the shoulders of those...
Wed May 11, 2016, 01:46 PM
May 2016

...who thought that nominating a deeply flawed candidate with the highest disapproval and untrustworthy numbers for a presidential candidate in modern history, a baggage car full of skeletons, under investigation by the FBI, that will motivate Republicans to crawl through glass and thorns just to vote AGAINST her...... those who thought she would be a good candidate to run against the Republicans, yes, they will have to shoulder the blame.

Vogon_Glory

(9,086 posts)
29. Atta girl! Mo Do and Saint Ralph said the same thing in 2000.
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:27 PM
May 2016

Atta girl! Maureen Dowd and "Saint Ralph" Nader said the same thing in 2000. And eight years of Buckaroo Bush, two wars, packed federal courts and a devastating recession proved that there was no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
77. Being silly enough to blame Gore's loss on Nader gets you an immediate place on the ignore list.
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:20 PM
May 2016

Sorry, but I have standards.

/bye.

KPN

(15,587 posts)
31. My sentiments exactly cali. Well said.
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:30 PM
May 2016

A candidate wins or loses based on his/her own merits. A Party earns loyalty based on how it treats and defends the views of its members.

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
34. Nah. They'll blame the Green candidate in a close swing state loss.
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:33 PM
May 2016

They've been doing that for 16 years. Why stop now?

frylock

(34,825 posts)
40. It's funny to see all the conservatives here laughing at this notion..
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:37 PM
May 2016

when they've already set the groundwork to do exactly that. I guess we're back to being completely irrelevant... for now.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
44. You stay home it is YOUR fault
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:40 PM
May 2016

Rationalize any way you want but you will be MORE responsible than those who voted for trump

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
55. That edict would apply
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:57 PM
May 2016

to more than 50% of all voting age Americans, mostl of whom are also poor and minority. In other words, the people who would be most damaged by a Trump presidency. Almost all of whom are very unlikely to be on DU at any time, ever.

So why aren't you blaming them? Better question: why aren't you out registering those folks to vote instead of flinging childish insults not grounded in reality at people on the internet who don't support your candidate?

lostnfound

(16,139 posts)
110. So you'd rather those sanders supporters in West Virginia
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:32 AM
May 2016

Go vote for trump in movement than stay home? They'd be doing their patriotic duty by doing so?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
45. If you truly want to be irrelevant, I hope you get your wish.
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:44 PM
May 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"Everybody is just on their feet screaming 'Kill Kill Kill'! This is -hockey- Conservative values!"[/center][/font][hr]

jamese777

(546 posts)
47. If Hillary loses
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:46 PM
May 2016

I won't blame Bernie supporters and if Bernie loses, I won't blame Hillary supporters. It is the job of a campaign to win over primary election opponent supporters.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
51. If you choose to not vote, or vote for non viable candidates, I am afraid it will be your fault.
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:50 PM
May 2016

Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
54. How can it be Sanders supporters faults?
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:56 PM
May 2016

Why are we expected to vote for a candidate most of us have no say in choosing because progressives are locked out of closed primaries?

If no one was interested in our votes then, Why should they care about our votes in the GE? All I keep hearing is how strong HRC is and how she doesn't need the Sanders supporter's votes. Well, the HRC supporter's message came through loud and clear. They don't need our input.

THEY nominated her, if she loses, it's on them.

jamese777

(546 posts)
66. By that "logic?"
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:41 PM
May 2016

If Senator Sanders loses the Democratic nomination, its on his supporters? I don't think so.

By the same token, some Sanders backers say that they won't support Hillary Clinton in the general election which is tantamount to supporting Donald Trump and the right wing agenda. Trump has already promised another Antonin Scalia on the Supreme Court.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
62. I won't blame Sanders, because he will endorse Hillary and campaign for her,
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

and the vast majority of his supporters will vote against Trump in November.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
73. If his supporters respect him so little that they will ignore his recommendation on who to vote for,
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:11 PM
May 2016

that is quite telling.

onenote

(42,383 posts)
93. Actually, it would say he lacks leadership qualities
Wed May 11, 2016, 12:22 AM
May 2016

A rather important quality for a President to have.

I should add, that I don't think he does lack leadership qualities and that the great majority of his supporters will in fact follow his lead in the General.

ablamj

(333 posts)
98. it says nothing about
Wed May 11, 2016, 03:55 AM
May 2016

his leadership qualities. He has already stated that we are free to do as we wish if he doesn't get the nomination and I think the vast majority will not vote for Hillary.

TheKentuckian

(24,949 posts)
104. No person living or dead other than Jesus Christ has such a level of influence on me
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:07 AM
May 2016

Clinton doesn't even have the "leadership" to get me to vote for her much less anyone else.

If any can command your vote it has absolutely nothing to do with their leadership skills but rather your own commitment to be not just a follower but an automaton, a robot that will perform as programmed.

I think your premise is wrong but it is insightful, it informs of perspective.

TheKentuckian

(24,949 posts)
103. If your name isn't God then I don't give a solitary fuck about who someone tells
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:55 AM
May 2016

to vote for and I think it is beyond bizarre that about anyone thinks differently.

Support for a candidate should not be conflated with fealty to them.

There isn't enough respect in the whole world for some man I don't even know to control my vote, if you "respect" anyone in such a fashion it says a lot about who you are and I don't think it says anything positive.

If you "respect" Clinton enough to be her vessel, neigh unto a golem that is pitiful and a bug rather a feature.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
63. If Clinton loses, it will be because people handed the election to Trump.
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:34 PM
May 2016

Those who voted for him and those who stayed home and allowed the scumbag to win.

Bleacher Creature

(11,237 posts)
92. ^^^This.
Wed May 11, 2016, 12:22 AM
May 2016

The only thing I would add would be people who allow him to win not only by staying home, but also wasting their vote on a spoiler candidate.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
68. The Hillarybots, at least the ones here, have been trying very hard
Tue May 10, 2016, 07:28 PM
May 2016

to put the blame if she loses the GE on those of us who don't support her in the first place. We've been telling them for a long time that the independents matter, and they need to understand she can't win without their support. Instead, they mock Bernie's wins in states with open primaries or caucuses, and have done essentially nothing to persuade any of us that she supports any of the positions that Bernie supports.

So if she loses, it will be her fault, her campaign's fault, not the fault of those she alienated.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
71. And we have been trying to warn them with FACTS on ISSUES, but they will not engage
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:16 PM
May 2016

This one sums it up for me.




They have no answers. . . They are fighting like mad to elect a Republican and they can't own it.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
117. As always, crickets. Facts just go the way of Bubble Politics.
Wed May 11, 2016, 12:29 PM
May 2016

Ignore, Kill the Messenger, Trot out 3 word meaningless declaratives.

Notice, Refute is not in the standard talking point recipe. Why? It would require the uncomfortable position of .... "Who you going to believe, me or your lying eyes."

Someone needs to get the Clinton Foundation on there. It's probably the biggest boondoggle of all.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
81. It's too late. They're already inoculating themselves ...
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:27 PM
May 2016

... and setting us up for the blame.

And, if for some reason, she stays unindicted, and wins the nomination and the Presidency, we'll be implored to give her time and go easy on her when she begins to govern like the neocon corporatist she is.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
85. That's right. "Give her 8-10 years until she can get her true progressive side warmed up".
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:59 PM
May 2016

We should be hitting the big progressive payout with President Obama very soon. I just hope our reward isn't a bunch of corporatist trade bills that ship more jobs to Bangladesh.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
82. At this point, it's not a question of whether, it's by how big a margin.
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:30 PM
May 2016

Big margin, both chambers, we get a couple of years of work done. Slim margin, neither chamber, well, it could be worse. But the bigger the better. That's why there's so much pressure on Bernie basically.

creeksneakers2

(7,468 posts)
83. It could be Nader all over again
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:46 PM
May 2016

I agree the Bernie or bust people won't be the entire cause of it.

When the Nader fiasco is brought up, the people who voted for him do nothing but point fingers. I've been trying for years to get one to just answer one question. Knowing what we know now, was your decision to vote for Ralph the right decision?

If the same thing happens, I hope Bernie or bust people will answer that question.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
94. It's a myth that Nader cost Gore the election. That's been thoroughly debunked.
Wed May 11, 2016, 12:37 AM
May 2016
http://disinfo.com/2010/11/debunked-the-myth-that-ralph-nader-cost-al-gore-the-2000-election/

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/6/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth

Gore lost his own home state. Plus he refused to have Bill Clinton campaign for him at all, even in Arkansas, and lost there too.

Gore is entirely to blame. As will Hillary Clinton.

creeksneakers2

(7,468 posts)
96. I've heard all that countless times
Wed May 11, 2016, 12:56 AM
May 2016

What about my question? My post wasn't about blaming Nader voters or Bernie or busters.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
95. Gore picked a piece of dogshit for VP.
Wed May 11, 2016, 12:43 AM
May 2016

No wonder people looked elsewhere for representation. Hillary has already dismissed the Sanders supporters. I guess she plans to get enough Pukes discontented with Trump. She has a track record of faulty decisions.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
97. Hillary is responsible for her own problems.
Wed May 11, 2016, 01:25 AM
May 2016

She's a free agent; no one forced her to do the things she did.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
99. Big K&R!!
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:36 AM
May 2016

If she can't get people's votes, then it is her fault. So many are done with the lesser of two evils. DONE!

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
100. Well, the same thing could be said about why Bernie is losing to Hillary.
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:01 AM
May 2016

I don't blame Hillary voters, it's on Bernie. So of course the same would be true if she loses to Trump. I'm not sure why Bernie supporters always need to do this. The primary will be done in just over a month...we will have our person. If it's Bernie, and it's through the SD's, he would have a hard road getting Hillary voters to vote for him, but whoever wins through votes and delegates, I will gladly stand with that person.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
101. If Clinton (or Sanders) loses.
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:17 AM
May 2016

It will probably be because of some terrorist incident just before the polls. That's all it takes to frighten people into voting for Trump.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
102. Spot on
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:29 AM
May 2016

No one in the Sanders camp can be blamed. But they will blame everyone, even "Birdie."

And yet, they seem to act like they don't need Bernie or his followers.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
106. Amen.
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:12 AM
May 2016

Its also on the DNC. They annointed the most corrupt, purchased, conservative, pro-war, anti-worker, pro-corporate person to be our nominee. They wanted her to be our only choice. B*stards.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
116. Tough to be a household name and win against an unknown. Not.
Wed May 11, 2016, 12:00 PM
May 2016

And no, it's not an excuse. It's a fact. And he did upset Her Turn timeline and unleashed a creditiable Underdog performance.

But I'm with the other Bernie supporters here...the nomination may not happen, but a new group of voters have been given a voice, plus some of older voters a chance to vote without clothespins.

Now he is pretty well-known to at least those who follow politics. The next week will be interesting. And how the downticket goes...there are a number of Bernie-type candidates sticking toes in the political water. And if DWS goes down to Canova...well, can't say I'd be disappointed. In fact, I'd be thrilled. Let her experience the fate she's enabled, to say the least, on other Democrats and the Democratic Party as a whole. Dismal results under her "leadership".

themaguffin

(3,805 posts)
118. Justify voting for Trump however you want, but you those who...
Wed May 11, 2016, 12:47 PM
May 2016

do not vote for the Democratic candidate are voting the GOP candidate. We've learned that lesson, or so I thought.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
119. You are correct, the ramblings posted in GD-Pee have ZERO impact on the election
Wed May 11, 2016, 12:49 PM
May 2016

Just another website with chatter

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