KING: Democrats, now is your last chance to change your mind about Hillary Clinton

[Playinghardball]

I've said it many times, but it's a huge mistake to underestimate Donald Trump's candidacy. Three brand new polls in the swing states of Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania only prove this very point.

Donald Trump is up in Ohio against Hillary Clinton 43-39. This is disastrous.

In Florida and Pennsylvania, Clinton is barely clinging to a 43-42 lead in both states.

So, here I am again, sounding the alarm not only for Democrats, but for every single person in this country who wants to stop Donald Trump... you must vote for Bernie Sanders.

Where Clinton was down 4 points to Trump in Ohio, Bernie is up 2.

Where Clinton was just up by 1 point in Pennsylvania, Bernie is up 6.

Where Clinton was just up by 1 point in Florida, Bernie is up 2.

These polls were just released this morning, but they aren't a statistical anomaly. Bernie beats Trump by larger margins than Hillary Clinton in virtually every state and national poll released this entire year.

Of course the Democratic establishment will urge you to ignore these polls. "They are meaningless," they will say. Don't listen to them. They will march us all the way to defeat just like the Republican Party did with the 16 candidates who got gobsmacked by Donald Trump.

These polls were just released this morning, but they aren't a statistical anomaly. Bernie beats Trump by larger margins than Hillary Clinton in virtually every state and national poll released this entire year.

Of course the Democratic establishment will urge you to ignore these polls. "They are meaningless," they will say. Don't listen to them. They will march us all the way to defeat just like the Republican Party did with the 16 candidates who got gobsmacked by Donald Trump.

Do I think it's possible for Hillary Clinton to beat Trump? Of course it's possible, but the numbers are getting worse by the day.

Bernie Sanders still has a chance. If you want to beat Trump, he's our best chance.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-democrats-change-mind-hillary-article-1.2631326

[dubyadiprecession]

1. Your polls are worthless...

If BS was popular, he would be ahead of hillary in the popular vote already cast in the primaries and caucus's. In the summer of 1988 Dukakis had a 30 point lead over George Bush. We all know how that election turned out.

[AgingAmerican]

5. He is popular

Obviously

[tonyt53]

26. Lay off the polls until at least Labor Day

Until then they are worthless.

[silvershadow]

2. K&R

[Trust Buster]

3. Tell KING that ship has sailed. Hillary is our nominee. End of story.

[bvf]

22. Clinton is not the nominee.

[dchill]

30. You keep plying that patent falsehood.

When did the convention happen without anyone being told? Oh, it didn't.

[AgingAmerican]

4. There is no effort whatsoever from Hillarys campaign to do outreach to Sanders supporters

Zero. Just belittling, insulting and 'Neener! Neener! Neener!'.

Worst GOTV effort in political history, IMHO.

I believe it is due to cognitive dissonance.

[JimDandy]

27. They have irrevocably ostracized too many Dems

and Independents.

[SylviaD]

6. Not only will Hillary defeat Trump...

...but she will defeat him soundly.

And I believe she will go on to be a historic president. A great president. That's why I support her.

Do you really think Donald Trump has a chance? He will annihilate the Republican party, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. He won't come close to the presidency.

[Baobab]

32. Clinton-Trump (bad) dream ticket

[merrily]

7. Imagine what the posts on this thread would say if it were Bernie down against Trump.

[Sparkly]

8. Maybe Bernie should stop helping Trump.

[Bluenorthwest]

15. Bernie has the right to run for office

and I have the right to support him. Your own biases do not rule the country, and thank God for that.

The fact is Hillary held on until June in 2008 and she even mentioned the murder of RFK as being a good reason to have two candidates in June. That's what your candidate said was her right. She said that no one else had ever been asked to drop out of a race, that it was unique to her candidacy and yet her supporters do exactly that to Bernie, the very thing Hillary so specifically said was so terribly wrong to do, she suggested that those calling for her to drop out did so out of bias against her as a woman. But now she, you and all her supporters do to Bernie the very thing she said was so wrong to do to her. Hypocrisy and double standards.
One wonders what motivates this smearing of Bernie. According to Hillary, she was the first Primary candidate ever to be asked to drop out. So that means Bernie is just the second. One does wonder about the reasons for that.

In 2008 I supported Barack Obama and yet I wanted Hillary in that race until the end. It was good for the Party, good for Obama and in the end good for Hillary, who would not be where she is today had she dropped out early in 08.
But you, you want it done. My State is voting right now. Others vote in upcoming weeks and in all of those States volunteers for both candidates and for down ticket Democrats are working hard to turnout the vote. I don't think your showboat routine here helps them at all. I think it hurts the Party rather than helps it. I say encourage the vote, love the process, let it build excitement for November when the real deal goes down.....

[Progressive dog]

9. The last desperate arguments

come down to this.
You are a Democrat. You voted for Hillary, but you should support Bernie because I have a poll.

[rhett o rick]

10. If you want to help those among us suffering don't vote for Goldman-Sachs.

[Progressive dog]

11. So Goldman is responsible for all suffering

because you say so and Hillary is Goldman Sachs. QED Don't vote for Hillary.

[rhett o rick]

12. What a typical response trying to put words into my mouth so you can

have something to ridicule instead of actually addressing what I said.

Maybe if I say it slower. The Capitalist not only do not care about the poor, they actually see poverty as an inverse measure of their success (wealth gain).

Clinton/Goldman-Sachs/Koch Bros are Capitalists and their number one objective is gaining wealth. Unless there is true economic growth (not speculative bubbles) then wealth is zero-sum. The more wealth Goldman-Sach and the Clinton family accumulate the more poverty.

Here are a few ways the Capitalists are gaining wealth:
They are getting cheaper labor in the US as factories are being moved overseas at taxpayer expense.
Prisoners are being used for slave labor (made in America by slaves)
They are keeping their profits overseas to avoid taxes. (estimated $2.5 trillion)
They are profiting off the loans to our college students.
The are defrauding home owners.
Capitalizing on fears to increase defense spending.

[Progressive dog]

16. It would be a typical response from you

but no one responding to you would find it necessary to put words in your mouth. Your simplistic sloganeering doesn't constitute fact or rational argument, no matter how you see it.
Your claim that there is no economic growth is so far removed from truth that it makes your other claims not worth responding to.

[rhett o rick]

17. And you had to do it again. Can't help yourself. I have never said there is no economic growth.

Just look at your favorite Wall Street Journal and see "Economic Growth, Hooray, Hooray". What I did say was true economic growth not the bullcrap promulgated by Wall Street. Speculative Bubbles are not Economic Growth. Seems to me that you are ok with economic growth that only helps the 1% and nothing for the 99%. The ever widening wealth gap is a fact of life that the Oligarchy and their minions want us to ignore, will kill the middle and working classes.

I notice that you don't put out your positions, your ideas, but simply ridicule those of others. And since you only want to ridicule, it's Bob-Bye to you Number 54

I think your name should be conservative dog.

[Progressive dog]

19. You said

Unless there is true economic growth (not speculative bubbles) then wealth is zero-sum.

which certainly tries to imply there has been no economic growth. Apparently not only do you just make up stuff, but try to give yourself deniability. That makes your claims doubly dishonest.

[Blue_Tires]

13. King isn't the boss of me...

Besides, what the fuck does he care? He's taking all the Sanders supporters to form a new political party...

...or did that plan fall through already?

[Blue_Tires]

14. This is the part where I ask for the millionth time

how Sanders will magically defeat Trump when he can't even get ahead of Clinton...

Any answers? I'm all ears...

[beedle]

20. No magic required

in the GE there will be no closed primaries, no requirements to register 8 months ahead of time.

It's like asking how when Bernie could Bernie beat Trump in a fair foot race when he couldn't beat Hillary in a foot race where he had his shoes nailed to the starting line.

[Blue_Tires]

21. Sanders very likely won't be in the GE

So your point is irrelevant...

[beedle]

23. Then why ask the question if the answer is irrelevent?

Stop acting like a spoiled child.

[Blue_Tires]

24. Annnnnnnd on to the ignore list you go, tough guy -- You're number 336

Try not to take it personally -- We both know you'll be long gone from this board by the time the convention gets here...

[beedle]

25. fingers in ears - "na na na na na na - I can't hear you"

Sure, that's a lot less 'childish'. LOL.

[JimDandy]

28. How'd I miss you? You're number 621. So much to do to get good progressives in.

No time to waste on posters like you. I'm hoping Skinner sets up a Progressive web site for us, so that that poster you placed on ignore and the other 85% of us on this board will have a welcoming place to work on progressive issues. Enjoy this board allllllll to yourselves, should it come to that.

[Blue_Tires]

37. I don't even know who the fuck you are...

or why you'd have the balls to lecture me when we've never even spoke before -- So you're #339...

Uh... Yeah... If you're up to 621 you've got a LOT of unresolved personal issues... The problem is with YOU, and not the site...

[JimDandy]

38. We all never really *know each other* do we on an anonymous board...

But let me refresh your memory:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024637615#post14

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024769875#post1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141292194#post1


Awww, I thought we had a real connection. Que sera, sera.


339? 621? That's a lot of non-unity in the Democratic party isn't it? And it's getting worse by the minute. Mine are all camp weathervane supporters. Helps to stay positive and focus on good things like Bernie Sanders.

The problem lies with Hillary Clinton...

[Loudestlib]

31. beedle (1,172 posts)

25. fingers in ears - "na na na na na na - I can't hear you"

Sure, that's a lot less 'childish'. LOL.

[redstateblues]

34. If the Rs repeatedly ran the video of Bernie promising to raise taxes on the middle class

His poll numbers would crater. The last Dem to run on raising taxes was Mondale- remember him- he won one state. His home state MN

[beedle]

36. Yes I remember ...

... 1984. Lost of things changed since then.

Socialism was the same as communism; Taxes were a lot fairer; And if the R's want to spread that nonsense Bernie can tell the truth, that the middle class comes out ahead of the game.

At least with Sanders the debate on the issues can be held .. Clinton is a non-starter when it comes to Republicans .. and the majority of Independents.

[B Calm]

18. Great Post, K&R!

[coffeeAM]

33. She will be a disaster, Bernie would easily beat Trump.

[redstateblues]

35. See post 34