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Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:49 PM May 2016

I expect Clinton to lose West Virginia.

The same reason behind much of her opposition: misleading tactics, twisting her words out of context.

She said coal needs to be replaced by clean energy. That means we'll be putting a lot of people out of jobs. So we need to make sure they get new jobs.

Sanders said the same thing.

BUT her words about putting people out of jobs got plucked, replayed and distorted out of context as if to say, "She's going to make us lose our jobs and be unemployed!!!!"

Always a double standard.

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I expect Clinton to lose West Virginia. (Original Post) Sparkly May 2016 OP
Maybe they just see how she flip flopped and will decide she's not trustworthy enough. Autumn May 2016 #1
You made my point. Sparkly May 2016 #4
Poor Hillary, her words came back to bite her. She must not have been aware that West Virginia Autumn May 2016 #19
Maybe it was just a poor choice of words? casperthegm May 2016 #34
She seems to do that often. I remember in 08 when her gun stance changed Autumn May 2016 #37
We could make a game of this; how about the gay marriage flip flop? casperthegm May 2016 #39
Now she's lurching to the Left on heath care, It's no longer "Medicare for All, No we can't " to Autumn May 2016 #43
But she said it in front of coal miners tonyt53 May 2016 #2
True. nt Sparkly May 2016 #5
Tonight's episode of the blame game has begun. TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #3
Just sayin'. Sparkly May 2016 #6
She said that her misstatement was taken out of context! lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #7
That's all she could do. Sparkly May 2016 #10
"Context" apparently means "the audience I was talking to" lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #16
No, it means giving the whole quote for accurate meaning. Sparkly May 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #21
Yup -- she's not as rehearsed as some Sparkly May 2016 #22
This is the presidential race you know? beedle May 2016 #38
If she stays within 35%, Bernie's road remains very steep. Buzz Clik May 2016 #8
Yup. Sparkly May 2016 #12
You can't please everyone. (Bernie still won't be the nominee.) NurseJackie May 2016 #9
And it's West Virginia, so... Sparkly May 2016 #13
Nothing against WV...it's lovely. Charming folks. It's just too small to benefit Bernie very much. NurseJackie May 2016 #20
Oh come on........ TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #25
Results... Major Nikon May 2016 #27
Wow. Sparkly May 2016 #29
Deservedly so. Punkingal May 2016 #11
I see. Sparkly May 2016 #15
i don't know how you can talk about a double standard when the deck is and has been stacked Punkingal May 2016 #18
I never saw the deck stacked in her favor. Sparkly May 2016 #23
She sticks her foot in it often, and that's why I don't trust her. Punkingal May 2016 #40
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #14
A presumably deft and experienced politician -- the sort Hillary is purported to be -- Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #24
She speaks. Sparkly May 2016 #28
If a candidate loses, the blame belongs squarely on that candidate. nt silvershadow May 2016 #26
Okay. Sparkly May 2016 #30
The collusion between the DNC and the HRC campaign, notwithstanding (Debbie-gate), and silvershadow May 2016 #32
She is, of course, completely blameless in her loss. Yeah right. arcane1 May 2016 #31
She is always the victim, don't you know? It appears it has metastasized to her supporters as well. silvershadow May 2016 #33
re: "Sanders said the same thing." "Always a double standard." thesquanderer May 2016 #35
EVERYTHING Hillary says... dchill May 2016 #36
I expect her to as well, because now Trump minions are free to come over Tarc May 2016 #41
Does not matter if she loses. She can lose all the remaining primaries and she'll still be the D beaglelover May 2016 #42

Autumn

(45,065 posts)
19. Poor Hillary, her words came back to bite her. She must not have been aware that West Virginia
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:02 PM
May 2016

hadn't voted yet.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
34. Maybe it was just a poor choice of words?
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

People make mistakes. The problem for HRC is her "trust issue." It might have been easier to dismiss if she didn't already have that tag. It's a shame she hasn't chose to be more transparent and forthcoming. This might not have come back to haunt her like it has. It's a real shame

Autumn

(45,065 posts)
37. She seems to do that often. I remember in 08 when her gun stance changed
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016

and she got all Annie Oakley, as Obama called it. I supported her then and that was my first WTF.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
39. We could make a game of this; how about the gay marriage flip flop?
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:26 PM
May 2016

If we made a drinking game out of this we'd be drunk in fifteen minutes

Autumn

(45,065 posts)
43. Now she's lurching to the Left on heath care, It's no longer "Medicare for All, No we can't " to
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:59 PM
May 2016

perhaps younger Americans,could voluntarily pay the full cost to join the program. No drinking game to her flip flops.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
2. But she said it in front of coal miners
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:52 PM
May 2016

Bernie didn't have the guts to, he held his rally in a safe location in front of supporters. A real leader doesn't run and hide from adversity. HRC/Bernie won't carry WV anyway. Difference today is that those safe Bernie supporters will show up to vote. Come November they would be swamped by Trump voters.

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
10. That's all she could do.
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:56 PM
May 2016

It's harder not to say ANYthing people could take out of context unless you keep repeating four main themes over and over and over again.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
16. "Context" apparently means "the audience I was talking to"
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:59 PM
May 2016

Saying "A" in an A-friendly audience is in context. Reminding people who don't want "A" that she was in favor of it last week is apparently "out of context".

Response to Sparkly (Reply #17)

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
22. Yup -- she's not as rehearsed as some
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:05 PM
May 2016

and she goes beyond four main themes repeated with supportive audiences, actually speaking with people and taking questions.

There's nothing wrong with what she said.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
38. This is the presidential race you know?
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:23 PM
May 2016

Usually it is expected that the candidates, when it comes to the specifics of their policies, should actually be seriously damned "rehearsed".

Do you really think that when she claimed to want to close down the coal industry she didn't realize that this meant putting people out of work? If she didn't, then she sure as hell is not qualified to run a country.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
20. Nothing against WV...it's lovely. Charming folks. It's just too small to benefit Bernie very much.
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:02 PM
May 2016

And it doesn't make sense for Hillary to chasing after a handful of voters (that would probably never vote for her anyway) at the expense of losing much more reasonable voters.

Odd that they prefer Bernie although he has an almost identical policy that Hillary does regarding coal.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
27. Results...
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:10 PM
May 2016

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And it's West Virginia, so...
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Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
18. i don't know how you can talk about a double standard when the deck is and has been stacked
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:02 PM
May 2016

In her favor from the very start. If she had any standards she wasn't willing to flip on she wouldn't get herself in trouble by opening her mouth.

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
23. I never saw the deck stacked in her favor.
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:07 PM
May 2016

On the contrary. It's been stacked against her for 35 years.

She didn't "flip." What she said made sense, but was taken out of context to distort its meaning.

Sorry there's such a problem with her "opening her mouth."

Response to Sparkly (Original post)

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
24. A presumably deft and experienced politician -- the sort Hillary is purported to be --
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:07 PM
May 2016

would not have provided the opportunity to have her words used against her. Perhaps the faith in her political prowess is misplaced.

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
28. She speaks.
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:10 PM
May 2016

She answers questions from audiences who aren't all supporters.

She is not a "natural politician" in the retail sense. She's a brilliant, hardworking leader, though.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
32. The collusion between the DNC and the HRC campaign, notwithstanding (Debbie-gate), and
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

the Great Coast to Coast Disenfranchisement Tour also.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
33. She is always the victim, don't you know? It appears it has metastasized to her supporters as well.
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:15 PM
May 2016

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
35. re: "Sanders said the same thing." "Always a double standard."
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

AFAIK, it is not Sanders making an issue of her quote (or taking it out of context). From what I read, it was being used in a Supreme Court race.

beaglelover

(3,469 posts)
42. Does not matter if she loses. She can lose all the remaining primaries and she'll still be the D
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:40 PM
May 2016

nominee! That makes me very happy!!

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