2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI expect Clinton to lose West Virginia.
The same reason behind much of her opposition: misleading tactics, twisting her words out of context.
She said coal needs to be replaced by clean energy. That means we'll be putting a lot of people out of jobs. So we need to make sure they get new jobs.
Sanders said the same thing.
BUT her words about putting people out of jobs got plucked, replayed and distorted out of context as if to say, "She's going to make us lose our jobs and be unemployed!!!!"
Always a double standard.
Autumn
(45,065 posts)Sparkly
(24,149 posts)Thanks.
Autumn
(45,065 posts)hadn't voted yet.
casperthegm
(643 posts)People make mistakes. The problem for HRC is her "trust issue." It might have been easier to dismiss if she didn't already have that tag. It's a shame she hasn't chose to be more transparent and forthcoming. This might not have come back to haunt her like it has. It's a real shame
Autumn
(45,065 posts)and she got all Annie Oakley, as Obama called it. I supported her then and that was my first WTF.
casperthegm
(643 posts)If we made a drinking game out of this we'd be drunk in fifteen minutes
Autumn
(45,065 posts)perhaps younger Americans,could voluntarily pay the full cost to join the program. No drinking game to her flip flops.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Bernie didn't have the guts to, he held his rally in a safe location in front of supporters. A real leader doesn't run and hide from adversity. HRC/Bernie won't carry WV anyway. Difference today is that those safe Bernie supporters will show up to vote. Come November they would be swamped by Trump voters.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)and it's not even 6 o'clock EDT
Sparkly
(24,149 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)What more do you people want?
Sparkly
(24,149 posts)It's harder not to say ANYthing people could take out of context unless you keep repeating four main themes over and over and over again.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Saying "A" in an A-friendly audience is in context. Reminding people who don't want "A" that she was in favor of it last week is apparently "out of context".
Sparkly
(24,149 posts)Response to Sparkly (Reply #17)
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Sparkly
(24,149 posts)and she goes beyond four main themes repeated with supportive audiences, actually speaking with people and taking questions.
There's nothing wrong with what she said.
beedle
(1,235 posts)Usually it is expected that the candidates, when it comes to the specifics of their policies, should actually be seriously damned "rehearsed".
Do you really think that when she claimed to want to close down the coal industry she didn't realize that this meant putting people out of work? If she didn't, then she sure as hell is not qualified to run a country.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Sparkly
(24,149 posts)There's that.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)And it doesn't make sense for Hillary to chasing after a handful of voters (that would probably never vote for her anyway) at the expense of losing much more reasonable voters.
Odd that they prefer Bernie although he has an almost identical policy that Hillary does regarding coal.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)That was cheap.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)On Tue May 10, 2016, 05:07 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
And it's West Virginia, so...
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Sparkly
(24,149 posts)I thought Bernie dissed the whole south as irrelevant.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Sparkly
(24,149 posts)She deserves a double standard.
Okey dokey.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)In her favor from the very start. If she had any standards she wasn't willing to flip on she wouldn't get herself in trouble by opening her mouth.
Sparkly
(24,149 posts)On the contrary. It's been stacked against her for 35 years.
She didn't "flip." What she said made sense, but was taken out of context to distort its meaning.
Sorry there's such a problem with her "opening her mouth."
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Response to Sparkly (Original post)
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Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)would not have provided the opportunity to have her words used against her. Perhaps the faith in her political prowess is misplaced.
Sparkly
(24,149 posts)She answers questions from audiences who aren't all supporters.
She is not a "natural politician" in the retail sense. She's a brilliant, hardworking leader, though.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Sparkly
(24,149 posts)I'll remember that. Hope you do, too.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)the Great Coast to Coast Disenfranchisement Tour also.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Always playing the victim
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)AFAIK, it is not Sanders making an issue of her quote (or taking it out of context). From what I read, it was being used in a Supreme Court race.
dchill
(38,477 posts)is Bernie's fault. Got it.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)and skew the results.
beaglelover
(3,469 posts)nominee! That makes me very happy!!