MSNBC: 40% of Bernie voters would prefer to vote for TRUMP in the fall -- against Bernie.

[pnwmom]

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But they didn't need to vote for Trump now, since he's got the nomination sewed up, so they decided to get a head start voting against Hillary.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/10/early-w-va-numbers-show-4-in-10-sanders-backers-prefer-trump-over-clinton-and-trump-over-sanders/

But MSNBC's Steve Kornacki tweeted a more remarkable data point: Almost 4 in 10 Sanders voters plan to support Trump over Sanders.

There are usually some people in exit poll data who say they'd vote against their preferred candidate in the general election. After all, the general election offers different choices than the primary, and if you're a conservative Democrat, you may think that Sanders is preferable to Clinton or vice versa, but also that a Republican would be preferable to both.

In Pennsylvania, exit polls reported by CNN indicated that 2 percent of Clinton and 5 percent of Sanders voters would vote against those candidates if they won the nomination. So it's really the scale that's surprising here, not the existence of the phenomenon.

[Trust Buster]

1. I say good riddance. They're not Democrats by definition.

[hollysmom]

4. and this is how Hillary will lose.

so clever to drive democrats out of the party. Previous people actually tried to line up votes not get rid of them.

[Trust Buster]

5. Good riddance.

[hollysmom]

9. so you want Hillary to lose?

[ThirdWayToTheHighway]

11. So you're fine...

seeing the party die? I think that YOU are the imposter. This attitude is childish and exactly what drives so many new voters away from the system.

[Trust Buster]

16. Anyone that casts a vote for Trump is a lost cost anyway. I say good riddance to them.

[hollysmom]

66. my nephew in law is hispanic, I can't figure out why heis voting Trump, but

if they won't vote for Hillary why not talk them into sitting it out?
If you don't talk to people you lose them,

things change all the time, it is months until November. One Isis attack can make things unpredictable. I really don't see the point in writing off a lot of people when you should be working on them no matter how frustrating. It is like losing your passion and giving up before the vote is in. Why would someone who was a Clinton supporter do that?

[reformist2]

80. That's not how you build a winning coalition.

[salinsky]

32. They're not Democrats ...

... they're pissed off white dudes.

They were never going to vote for Hillary.

They probably wish they could vote for Rand Paul.

[hollysmom]

37. so you believe in shrinking the tent instead of appealing to a wide group of people?

I can tell you that what you said is not true, I knew plenty of people who were going to vote for Hillary until she gave that pro israel speech or said we should not reach so high, we must be pragmatic. Now I am pragmatic, but I never walked into a negotiation planning on losing.

Now the people who will never vote for Hillary is my hispanic nephew in law - I don't understand completely any of his reasoning, but then again I rarely do understand a lot of people thinking odd things.

[Amimnoch]

61. yes. I don't support people in my tent who want to burn it down.

I can get why Bernie supporters are opposed to voting for Clinton in the GE. I think they are misguided, but I get it. Still welcome.

Any Bernie supporter (or anyone period) who will go so far as to vote for Trump in the GE over either of our candidates.. Fuck em.

[pnwmom]

58. How does the fact that 40% of Bernie voters say they would vote against BERNIE

and for TRUMP in the general demonstrate how Hillary will lose?

It just shows how weak Bernie's' support is. 40% of his voters really prefer Trump -- to BERNIE!

But MSNBC's Steve Kornacki tweeted a more remarkable data point: Almost 4 in 10 Sanders voters plan to support Trump over Sanders.

There are usually some people in exit poll data who say they'd vote against their preferred candidate in the general election. After all, the general election offers different choices than the primary, and if you're a conservative Democrat, you may think that Sanders is preferable to Clinton or vice versa, but also that a Republican would be preferable to both.

In Pennsylvania, exit polls reported by CNN indicated that 2 percent of Clinton and 5 percent of Sanders voters would vote against those candidates if they won the nomination. So it's really the scale that's surprising here, not the existence of the phenomenon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/10/early-w-va-numbers-show-4-in-10-sanders-backers-prefer-trump-over-clinton-and-trump-over-sanders/

[kerry-is-my-prez]

93. Republicans trying to screw with the results. Trying to damage Hillary and the Democratic Party.

[doc03]

2. That is no supprise. They have her statement she will put a lot of coal miners out of work,

WTF do people expect.

[pnwmom]

6. And Bernie criticizes her for not moving fast enough on banning coal.

40% of Bernie voters say they prefer TRUMP. I think they just voted to make the weaker Dem candidate the nominee.

[CanonRay]

3. Horseshit n/t

[DCBob]

7. What is wrong with these people??

Sick.

[Jitter65]

8. Remember, a lot of those voting for Sanders don't like him but want to make Hillary look bad.

There folks out there like that. It's not open primary but this was decided long ago

[floriduck]

38. I don't think they need any help doing that. You and she do just fine by yourselves.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Horeshit

Primary election type
See also: Primary election
West Virginia utilizes a hybrid primary system. Parties decide who may vote. Both the Democratic and Republican parties allow unaffiliated voters to vote in their primaries.[10]

Note: Presidential primary and caucus types can differ. See this article for further details about 2016 presidential primaries and caucuses.

https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_in_West_Virginia

By the way, that be 19 percent of the total electorate.

So you know what this says? CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS did not vote for HRC, but will not vote for her in NOVEMBER either. Oh and the independents do not like her that much either

[CorkySt.Clair]

15. Thanks, Jeane Dixon

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. You welcome

amazing how you folks can miss the obvious when the data is presented

[CorkySt.Clair]

19. Actually you two have much in common

Jeane was never right about anything either.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Math is hard

40 percent- 19 percent = 21 percent. By the way, we are assuming every fucking independent voter actually voted. So that means truly at at least 25 percent of democrats did not vote for HRC, and will not vote for HRC either.

But I will offer you this.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Evening,_Nile_River,_Uganda.jpg

That is a photo of the upper Nile by the way

[CorkySt.Clair]

24. Trump will win in a landslide

He will build his wall.

He will send his Stasi into the streets to round up immigrants.

The Dem party fractures and collapses.

The banks fail.

The world turns against us.

Trumpvilles fill public parks with the newly homeless and jobless upper middle class as the markets crash around the world.

Grim poetry and the abacus make a comeback.

Does this cover most of your dystopian fantasy?

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. I just love it how you do not get this

CONSERVADEMS WILL VOTE FOR TRUMP, just like they did for GW Bush and Reagan.

[CorkySt.Clair]

26. Yeah, I thought so.

That more or less covered it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. I know hysterical

the Reagan administration was peaches and cream, and so were the Bush years. Keep laughing, it is funny shit

Here, let me help ya

[CorkySt.Clair]

30. But what can we do to stop Trump?

He is a freight train. Is there any way the Dem nominee, whoever that is, can stop him?

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. It is not my problem really...not my party and you keep telling me this

but I can say that these stats reveal CONSERVADEMS are in TRUMP'S bandwagon.

[CorkySt.Clair]

33. But aren't you an American?

What about those that would suffer under a Trump administration?

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. You keep telling me you do not need me

so there is that.

As I said, I will enjoy CONSERVADEMS doing this.

[CorkySt.Clair]

35. But what about the children?

Won't someone think of the children?

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. That boat sailed a while ago

This must be performance art. You guys kept telling indies and LW Democrats to pound sand. well then.

[CorkySt.Clair]

39. Please. Reconsider.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. What? As I said, I will enjoy this election at multiple levels

And who I vote for, and I will, even if I know elections in the US are pretend elections, is my business, not yours.

But this is the bed you made.

[CorkySt.Clair]

43. Is there any way Hillary can earn your vote?

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. Not though you

that is clear... but so far the campaign has been into burning the ground behind her.

party realignments are a whatever, but that ship has sailed with a lot of people. You are trying to pretend to care, but you really don't... so drop the false act

[CorkySt.Clair]

45. There is hope.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. Yup this is an act

A bad act, but an act nonetheless

[CorkySt.Clair]

70. Don't give up hope.

We've got this.

[TCJ70]

12. All that stat says is:

Yes Sanders. No Hillary. It's not an indication of any primary manipulation.

[TheCowsCameHome]

13. Which 40% ?

[pnwmom]

18. He said that 40% of voters who reported voting for Bernie said they will vote for Trump in the fall.

[TheCowsCameHome]

21. I know. Did he identify them by name?

Otherwise, a number is worthless.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Actually I have met a few of those

and I also met the older lady who will vote for Hillary in June, to stop that commie, and for Trump to stop her in November. CNN found her clone in WV this morning. I was dying.

[basselope]

14. Not sure what the surprise is about...

This is establishment vs anti-establishment.

[pnwmom]

53. You're not surprised that 40% of Sanders voters would prefer Trump to SANDERS?

But MSNBC's Steve Kornacki tweeted a more remarkable data point: Almost 4 in 10 Sanders voters plan to support Trump over Sanders.

There are usually some people in exit poll data who say they'd vote against their preferred candidate in the general election. After all, the general election offers different choices than the primary, and if you're a conservative Democrat, you may think that Sanders is preferable to Clinton or vice versa, but also that a Republican would be preferable to both.

In Pennsylvania, exit polls reported by CNN indicated that 2 percent of Clinton and 5 percent of Sanders voters would vote against those candidates if they won the nomination. So it's really the scale that's surprising here, not the existence of the phenomenon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/10/early-w-va-numbers-show-4-in-10-sanders-backers-prefer-trump-over-clinton-and-trump-over-sanders/

[basselope]

79. Not in WV

Since many of the democrats have been voting republican for years. 62% of Democrats went for Romney. So only 40% of Sanders voters is a nice improvement.

[NorthCarolina]

22. BS.

This is just the latest BS meme being introduced to justify a push in the Democratic Party for closed primaries.

[JI7]

29. that's about the same percentage that voted for a prison inmate over Obama in 2012

West virginia primary.

[LenaBaby61]

40. IF as some suggest is indeed TRUE.....

That ConservaDems won't vote for Hillary Clinton in the GE, then how are they so sure that they would vote for Bernie in the GE if he were the nominee?

That's why I NEVER, EVER bought into the Electoral College maps, especially this early, showing Hillary Clinton with a landslide win over Trump. Not to say she/nor Bernie can't beat Trump, but this election will be closer than most are thinking even though the Democrat ticket offers two superior candidates in either Hillary or Bernie--who would and could run this country better than Donald Trump could EVER think of running it.

[mvd]

41. This is outsider voting. The majority of Sanders people, including me..

Absolutely will not vote for Trump. If fact I will vote for Hillary even if I'd like to write in Bernie or Jill Stein. I remember what happened in the 90s. Clinton's record since then is better (on the left side of a too much to the right Democratic party), but she is still not trusted by this progressive. And she is too hawkish. The WV thing does not diminish Bernie's win.

[LenaBaby61]

47. We ...

Agree.

I'm a Hillary supporter, and I also have friends who are as well and some of them STILL say they wouldn't vote for Bernie or not vote at all (Some live in swing states) because he's an Independent encroaching into the Democratic party. Last time I checked, Bernie Sanders caucused with and agreed with Dems a MAJORITY of the time--in the high 90% range. And yes, there are a few things I disagree with Bernie Sanders on, but there's no WAY I'd sit it out if Hillary didn't get the nomination I could and would NEVER vote for Donald Trump, or allow my vote at least to be canceled out by a Trump vote. Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders in a coma could govern far better than Trump even if he had an allegedly good day, which I have yet to see, and won't EVER see.

I never get into arguments with anyone--not even close friends--and I'll remain a Hillary supporter because I feel she has a better path to the nomination, plus I agree with most of her agenda. But I'll be damned if I don't vote for Bernie with Trump sitting over there on the other side with his huge ego nowhere near in check and not knowing how to govern anymore than my Yorkie Marcio. END OF STORY.

[mvd]

50. Good to hear

Sounds like we disagree on some of the issues, but we do need to defeat Trump in the fall. Such phony populism coming from a pampered billionaire. Plus the guy has fascist tendencies. This Bernie supporter knows true populism, and it is not Trump's.

[Demsrule86]

49. 60% are Dems ...wonder how manyt of the other type are here right now.

More than a few judging by the right-wing sources they use.

[Demsrule86]

48. I knew most of them were fakes

trying to screw with our elections. The tip off was Wisconsin when the rightie judge was elected. So Bernie...you have been catfished.

[Else You Are Mad]

51. bull sh*t to gain ratings.

Most Bernie voters will support Hillary in the GE. In 2008, the networks and pundits were complaining how the PUMA Hillary supporters wouldn't vote for Obama... But we know how that ended up.

Don't believe the hype.

[Merryland]

52. and of course, Hillary herself

has nothing to do with her lack of popularity, the mistrust she engenders, and the general air of superiority she exudes?

[pnwmom]

54. What explains the fact that 40% of Sanders voters would prefer Trump to SANDERS?

What does Hillary have to do with that?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/10/early-w-va-numbers-show-4-in-10-sanders-backers-prefer-trump-over-clinton-and-trump-over-sanders/

But MSNBC's Steve Kornacki tweeted a more remarkable data point: Almost 4 in 10 Sanders voters plan to support Trump over Sanders.

There are usually some people in exit poll data who say they'd vote against their preferred candidate in the general election. After all, the general election offers different choices than the primary, and if you're a conservative Democrat, you may think that Sanders is preferable to Clinton or vice versa, but also that a Republican would be preferable to both.

In Pennsylvania, exit polls reported by CNN indicated that 2 percent of Clinton and 5 percent of Sanders voters would vote against those candidates if they won the nomination. So it's really the scale that's surprising here, not the existence of the phenomenon.

[Else You Are Mad]

56. Controversy sells...

And the best way to keep the ad money rolling in is to make BS claims like the above.

[AgingAmerican]

55. MSNBC said it?

Well then it MUST be true!

[Skwmom]

57. The Graphic ONLY shows Clinton, Trump, or Neither. Bernie was not an option.

[polly7]

59. Anybody but Clinton, then right?

Why do you think this would be?

[pnwmom]

63. No. These Bernie voters say that if Bernie's in the General, they would vote for TRUMP.

Why do you think that is?

It's probably because the Rethugs, who are having no important vote of their own today, decided to vote for the Dem candidate that would make it easier for Trump in the general.

[polly7]

64. No ........ I'm pretty sure they're not willing to vote for Clinton, period. nt.

[pnwmom]

68. Why would people who plan to vote for Trump, and know he's got the nomination locked up,

vote in the Dem primary -- except in a way they thought would enhance Trump's chances?

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. This is not an open primary and registered republicans are NOT voting in it

I know this is hard to get, but there are actual DEMOCRATS who will vote for Trump. ABC is at play here...for the record, this does not shock me in the least.

[pnwmom]

76. But undeclared who prefer Trump DID vote in it, and they picked Bernie to be Trump's opponent. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

81. Yes and tney are not the majority of those voters

you could loosely make that argument in California



So yes, the majority of that large minority of voters, 4 out of ten, are Dems who voted for Sanders will vote for Trump. Most folks who are actually understanding of what this means, and I am sure that includes the campaign, are going DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER. I won't bother to explain why.

[TwilightZone]

101. "the majority of that large minority of voters, 4 out of ten, are Dems who voted for Sanders"

They're not all Dems. That's the point.

40% of those who voted for Sanders said they won't vote for him in November. Not all of the 40% are Dems. Not sure why you're so insistent that they are other than that you're quite clearly looking for any reason to trash Democrats.

[nadinbrzezinski]

102. Yes, yes they are

like Reagan dems and Bush dems

[pampango]

60. Trump supporters are voting for Bernie in our primary because they think he is a weaker candidate?

If they say are voting for Bernie now but they would vote for Trump over both Bernie and Hillary then they are not Democrats in any sense of the word and should not be voting in our primary

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. it is not an open primary

and independents, unlike CA, do not make the majority of the voters either.

[hollowdweller]

62. I live in WV. Nearly all my friends voted for Bernie and none of us is going to vote for Trump.

[pat_k]

65. 28% of Dems said they'd vote McCain in Obama v. McCain

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/mccain-vs-obama-28-clinton-backers-mccain.aspx

McCain, Obama, and Clinton were all "establishment" candidates.

About 30% of Dems were turned off by Clinton then. Probably about the same, or more, now.

Add in people -- say 10% -- who are voting for Sanders as the "anti-establishment" candidate (whose votes would transfer to Trump over "establishment" Clinton) and the number is not the least bit surprising.

[Autumn]

67. I think it's sad that Hillary is so disliked.

[pnwmom]

69. I think it's sad that 40% of Bernie's own voters would choose Trump over Bernie in the general.

Hillary supporters are far more committed to Hillary.

[Autumn]

71. Do we trust exit polls now?

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. It is sad you do not understand the dynamics at play here

and please, don't. At least myself, I need the entertainment.

[pnwmom]

75. Please explain why the fact that 40% of Bernie voters would choose Trump over Bernie

in the general says anything good about Bernie's vote in WV.

[nadinbrzezinski]

77. You are missing it, by stellar units of distance

this has nothing to do with Bernie.

The current movement started in 1999 in Seattle, it has been building for many years, across different regions of the country. Many of those voters are not going to have Sanders on the ballot in November, you won, They will not vote for the establishment candidate period. And Trump is not an establishment candidate either.

And add that comment about putting miners out of work (she told the truth) and then the 190 flip... of I misspoke. Usually people who tell the truth, and explain it, get more respect in the world of politics.

Please do not even try to get it. At this point it is actually entertaining to see the pretzel logic applied to the fact that DEMOCRATS will not vote for HRC. I mean the indies, and greens sort of make sense, but DEMOCRATS... tonight has been all kinds of entertainment in the land of cognitive dissonance. I mean it. And these are CONSERVADEMS to boot, her people. I mean the LW stupid liberals, we get it, but these are not Greens, or Liberal democrats.

And at this point I give up on you guys getting it, so I will get amusement out of it. My other choice would be crying.

[Autumn]

78. IMO it's because they hate Hillary. It's a closed primary isn't it? How does registered democrats

preferring Trump over Hillary help in the GE?

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. Hybrid open

decline to state are allowed, and they are not most of that 40 percent. And even if all of them voted for Sanders today, and I mean every one each of them... it would not be, Given how many people likely showed up, there is a good chunk of dems who will not vote for her. That is a problem. One that I am enjoying the pretzel logic of trying to explain this...

[Autumn]

83. Interesting. The dems there are conservative also if I remember right.

[nadinbrzezinski]

84. Yes, it is one of the most conservative states in the country

the electorate for both parties would make a few people blush.

Coal country is also among the poorest regions in the country.

[Autumn]

85. I know how poor it is. They went overwhelmingly for Hill in 08 over Obama too.

[nadinbrzezinski]

87. And for a similar reason

coal.

She was for it, he was against it, if you remember Obama's environmental message in 2008.

Sanders wants to do something about it. she has a plan on her site to bring green energy plants, which is quite honestly anathema in the area, but she also promised to close the plants. For once she spoke the truth. That is why WV senators can never be counted in any climate change legislation. Politics is local and she hit a very raw nerve.

It is also the birth place of the modern union movement, but it is as anti union as you can get.

[JonLeibowitz]

113. Why is it anti-union? Do you have some reading on how that phenomena developed?

[nadinbrzezinski]

114. Here is some reading

http://appvoices.org/2013/10/03/an-era-of-undoing-the-state-of-appalachias-labor-unions/

Long but good

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/history_of_labor_unions.html

And here is the corner stone

http://wvaflcio.org/right-to-work.html

Though they were hardly the first to get that lovely legislation

https://nrtwc.org/facts-issues/state-right-to-work-timeline-2016/

The Wagner and Taft Hartley Acts are also critical for this. First is 1936, the second is 1947... did I mention they also have racial roots?

[Autumn]

120. Looks to me like WV dems and Independent's went with any one but Hillary.

But keep brocksplaining that those are die hard Bernie supporters.

[TwilightZone]

99. 40% of Sanders voters would bail on Sanders in November to vote for Trump...

because Hillary is so disliked?

That's some logic.

[Autumn]

119. Wasn't the choice between Hillary or Bernie on the democratic primary side?

Seems to me a bunch of democrats and Independents in WV won't vote for Hill if shes the nominee. I think it must be they dislike her because I see no proof that those are staunch Bernie supporters in WV. Might just be they just voted for the lesser of two evils in the primary to keep Hillary out of the GE. Whoever took the poll should have asked more questions, they got a number with nothing behind it.

[mr_liberal]

86. If you remove these people (conservatives) from Bernie's totals throughout

all the primaries he probably doesn't win anywhere and Hillary wins the nomination in a landslide.

Some off them are probably sending him money too to make sure he keeps causing Hillary trouble.

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. cute talking point via Mr Brock

serious...

And transparent as hell.

[mr_liberal]

89. Its a fact. There are exit polls now that prove it. nm

[nadinbrzezinski]

92. You mean conservative DEMOCRATS in WEST VIRGINIA

that is what that polling revealed by the way... and I would worry if I were the Clinton campaign, pass that to your boss, of what that implies for battle grounds states such as PA, MI, and OH... did I mention WI?

Though I think that if elections had consistent standards and the party was truly neutral. Still, that was a cute talking point.

[Android3.14]

90. You say that like it's a good thing for your candidate

Whether that little teased bit of data is accurate or not, if you haven't figured it out yet that this is a populist race then you're out of touch. If it comes down to Trump or Hillary, the independents are going to Trump.

Stamping your foot in indignation means nothing.

You think her numbers will improve? Have they ever improved by that kind of margin?

The smart future is with Sanders. If we let that go, then we get Trump. Ms. Clinton doesn't even matter.

[pnwmom]

91. You're misreading. These Bernie voters would vote for Trump even against Bernie in the general.

This has nothing to do with Hillary -- unless it's because they think they're helping Trump by helping the weaker Dem to win.

[Android3.14]

95. You got spun

That, my naive friend, is not how the data presents. You seem like a fairly nice person. I wish you would smell the coffee and realize how hard the oligarchy is pushing against Sanders while the public is pulling for him.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

97. Yes - it's obvious.

[ucrdem]

94. I don't think anybody could have predicted that . . .

. . . could they?

[Number23]

96. As messed up as this is, it's not the slightest bit surprising.

[Samantha]

98. I don't believe that -- one-third of Sanders voters have said they will vote for

Trump over Clinton in the GE, but this looks like a piece of propaganda to me designed to make people think Sanders will face a massive defection, if he is the nominee, to the Trump campaign. That is bull.

MSNBC and The Washington Post are in the tank for Hillary, so it is not surprising propaganda of this sort is being floated by them.

Sam

[TwilightZone]

100. That doesn't really make any sense.

It's not a defection if they never intended to vote for Sanders in the first place (edit: in the general election).

That's the point here - they are Trump voters who took advantage of a hybrid open primary to vote for Sanders. They were never going to vote for him in November.

[nadinbrzezinski]

104. To quote you guys MATH

23 percent are decline to state voters, even if every one of them showed up for your mythical Op Chaos that is still 2 out of 4 of ten voters. You honestly think all 23 percent showed up? REALLY?

So lets be more realistic, and I will concede that MAYBE 1 of those ten voters is really that nefarious. That still leaves three out of ten. The majority who are registered as DEMOCRATS. Yes, she has a problem with both Independents and DEMOCRATS

(For the record the 2012 number is 17.8 percent were registered as independent voters)

[pnwmom]

106. I think undeclared showed up in the same proportions as anyone else,

and they made up a large proportion of the Bernie/Trump voters.

[nadinbrzezinski]

107. But what I am saying is that they are not the majority They do not even reach majority status

not even strong minority in the state. You could almost get away with that argument in CA... where yes, indeed we decline to state voters are the majority of registered voters, and since the Dems have the modified open primary, but the Rs are a closed one, well you could make the argument that Indies are a strong group, if not a majority. But in this case they are BEST CASE and that be pushing it, a quarter of registered state voters.

And you welcome by the way. If Sanders wins CA I expect that to be used as an excuse.

[pnwmom]

109. And the Bernie/Trump voters are not the majority -- just a minority of the Bernie voters. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

110. which leaves us with what? DEMOCRATS WHO WILL NOT VOTE FOR HILLARY

in WV... as I said, MATH. If those voters reach 1 in 10, I will be surprised. really.

By the way. CNN did find that 10 percent of HILLARY supporters are voting for Trump in November, and anecdotally I was dying in the morning when they interviewed a clone of a lady I found here in San Diego. Same exact reasons, she will vote for HRC (or voted today) to stop the commie. My local example is in her late 70s by the way. But will vote for Trump in November because there is no way she will ever vote for HRC in the general. She cannot stand the Clintons, 'nuff said.

What drove me to ask her was the two bumper stickers on the old El Camino. a Trump for President and a Clinton for President bumper stickers. I went this has to be a his and her car. Nope. So this morning when they interviewed this old lady who said the same, I was indeed dying. It was quite funny actually.

[pnwmom]

111. No, it leaves us with Democrats who do NOT say they'll vote for Trump. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

112. alas you insist that democrats will not cross

but you are ignoring both the evidence at present, and yes HISTORY. Reagan Democrats and Bush Democrats are real.

[nadinbrzezinski]

103. It started with Brock

good nose

[tblue]

105. WV will vote GOP in November

% doesn't matter. It will go solidly red as will the South.

[RichVRichV]

108. Four counter points from the same poll.

1) It was actually about 35.5%, not 40%.

2) Almost 15% of Hillary's vote came from Republicans in the race. They were messing with both sides.

3) In spite of the Trump support in the race, Bernie still wins among the people who voted today 55-33 against Trump compared to 45-35 for Hillary. That's a full 8 points better than Hillary does in the GE among today's voters.

4) Bernie won the Independent vote over Hillary 58-22. Goes back to electability in GE.

[Aerows]

115. What in the hell drugs

are they on to come up with such a statement?

[Tiggeroshii]

116. So Bernie is their second choice

Is that not democratic?

[pnwmom]

117. Or they are just trying to help Trump out by helping elect the weaker Dem. n/t

[highprincipleswork]

118. I believe this is a complete fabrication.

[lagomorph777]

121. In an ultra-conservative state, with pissed-off working voters

They are apparently hedging their bets by trying to have two populist candidates in the GE.

Obviously, one is crazy and one is a Socialist, and in the fall they say they prefer crazy over Socialist. Whatever.

[workinclasszero]

122. So lets get this lesson down once and for all

Open primaries only purpose is to make it possible for republicans to weaken the democratic front runner whoever he or she may be.

WV is the latest example of this fact.