WV results prove that the rust belt wants progressivism, not pandering bs from Hillary.

[Joe the Revelator]

If you want to win states like West Virginia you give them a progressive that they can trust and get behind. No matter how credible Hillary is as a conservative, she'll never win the rust belt or Appalachia. Bernie can WHILE maintaining progressive ideals.

[pat_k]

1. kick

[Renew Deal]

2. WV proves that WV wants trumpism

Almost half of Bernies supporters said so themselves.

The Rust Belt has overwhelmingly voted for Hillary. PA, OH, IL.

[Jitter65]

3. That!!!

[Joe the Revelator]

4. How do you get that? These people will come out and vote for Bernie. They proved it tonight.

The fact that Hillary can't relate or reach them doesn't mean they 'want' Trumpism. I swear, some of you want to lose the GE just to get to listen to Hillary pander for another six months.

[Renew Deal]

8. Exit polls

Hillary lost because she wouldn't pander to the coal lobby. Can Bernie say the same thing?

[Joe the Revelator]

9. Yes I saw that. That says that Hillary doesn't speak to or reach these folks.

That's a Hillary problem.

[DLCWIdem]

35. exit poll 40% who voted for Sanders in primary will not vote for him in general.They will vote Trump

[CentralCoaster]

13. Now now, let's not disrupt their carefully planned bullshit excuse for Hillary's downfall in WV.

You know how this works, the calls go out and the talking points are set.

This one today is adorable. Buncha WV Trump supporters held a meeting, voted for Sanders.

Because how else can we explain how the perfect Hillary could lose so badly?

[RufusTFirefly]

15. Tell me: Do you simply cut and paste?

Or do you actually type in Brock's latest meme manually?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Ned_Devine]

33. One of the HRC supporters has an...

...actual picture of David Brock in his/her profile sig line, like it's something cool.

[RufusTFirefly]

38. Wow. I'm speechless. n/t

[Ned_Devine]

40. That's what it's come to here

Pretty weenie if you ask me

[rhett o rick]

17. Those that support Hillary also want Trumpism. If that didnt want Trump they'd

support Sanders where we have a chance to defeat him. It's your bed, go lay in it.

[Eko]

31. Yes,

for some reason they decided it would be far easier to support clinton so that trump will win instead of just supporting trump in the first place. Someone is feeling berned obviously.

[rhett o rick]

44. Even though they were warned that Sanders was the only one to beat Trump

they arrogantly, stubbornly stuck with Clinton. They along with the oligarchy would rather Hillary lose to Trump than Sanders. The Oligarchy, as Goldman-Sachs and the Koch Bros made clear, would rather have Clinton or a Republicon. They fear Sanders. Why some Democrats embrace Goldman-Sachs/Clinton in lieu of embracing helping those among us struggling is crazy. I guess it's blindly following a tough Authoritarian leader that makes them comfy. Mean while 2.5 million American children but Goldman-Sachs and their minions don't care.

[Eko]

55. By pretty much all

predictive standards out there Clinton beats trump, what is there one where she doesn't out of 7 and on that one they didn't even do Sanders vs Trump from what I can find. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Sure Sanders beats him by more points but to say that Clinton wont beat him is the height of arrogance. Only one my ass. On your first sentence you uttered nonsense, I have addressed that. Your other ones are just as wrong.

[Eko]

58. A few things about that poll also

"But Trump edges slightly ahead if the stay-at-home option is removed."
"The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on April 27-28, 2016 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. "

+ or - 3% could easily take 39 to 41 Clinton vs Trump to a 42-38 Clinton vs Trump. Regardless out of the 7 polls give Clinton has an average of 6.4 winning. Those are great odds and without a doubt not anywhere close to coming to the conclusion that Sanders is the only one to beat Trump to anyone who is not a ideologue.

[NewImproved Deal]

59. Exactly. Why settle for either Oligarch?

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[nadinbrzezinski]

51. No. it proves that some democrats will not vote for HRC and when you give the the choice of Clinton

and Trump, well guess what skippy, they will not vote for Clinton.

[creeksneakers2]

56. Or Sanders

"But support for Trump in the general election is largely driven by independents who were allowed to vote in West Virginia's Democratic primary. More than half would back Trump against either Hillary Clinton or Sanders."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/over-four-in-10-sanders-voters-in-west-virginia-would-vote-for-trump/

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. And given that this will be a clinton trump GE

that leaves us with democrats not voting for Clinton, By the way, those independents are not the majority of the voters. The folks at CBS really need basic math. 44-23, (max number of indies according to some, 2012 had them at seventeen) is 21. You really think all independents came out to vote today? Really?

That said, this is nice proof that independents are not going to vote for her either. See the problem here?

[creeksneakers2]

64. Yes

Its a big problem.

[LaydeeBug]

5. and yet, still...math is math, and there's no way for Bernie to win. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

6. Thanks for adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.

Very helpful.

[LaydeeBug]

19. I added a dose of reality to the conversation. He can't win. nt

[beaglelover]

7. Yep! Too bad for Bernie.

[rhett o rick]

20. Wow, another low poster spewing Sanders hatred.

Well as I encourage others, Full Ignore to you. Bob-Bye.

[beaglelover]

21. See ya, wouldn't want to be ya.

[morningfog]

42. You don't understand math.

Come back when Bernie has been mathematically eliminated. It hasn't happened yet.

[rhett o rick]

45. I am not surprised your math, the math of the oligarchy tells you that. It's a lie of course

but then Clinton lied about WMD in Iraq and 1,000,000 innocent Iraqi's died. "We came, we saw, and they're (1,000,000) are dead."

Oh and don't forget her love for cluster bombs.

[baldguy]

10. Since when is WV the "rust belt"?

NY, PA and NJ are more rust belt than WV:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_Belt

Clinton won the rust belt.

[Joe the Revelator]

14. Its like you didn't even read my entire post.

[Joe the Revelator]

24. Biting commentary.

What else do you have?

[JoePhilly]

30. You got a BS hide down below.

[amborin]

52. Hillary lost Michigan, big time; it's an iconic rust belt state; she lost Indiana and Wisconsin, two

more rust belt states; and, if you want to include NY as rust belt, Bernie won the rust belt areas of the state

[votesparks]

11. As a rust belter who grew up in Appalachia

You are spot on.

[Trajan]

12. Hell yeah!

People are tired of the bullshit ...

Thanks, Joe ...

[MariaThinks]

18. Didn't Hillary progressively come out against coal? Isn't that the reason she is losing?

[Joe the Revelator]

32. Making poor people poorer is not progressivism.

you don't kill an entire state's ability to provide for itself without a backup plan.

[mythology]

49. Because the coal industry has done so well for the people of West Virginia?

I mean sure it's a job that is likely to leave the workers with major health issues, the ones it doesn't bury alive, causes massive environmental damage that starts with their own environment and is just generally a sucktastic industry to work for.

[Joe the Revelator]

60. So what is your solution? Because the alternative of just yanking it out from under people is...

...abject poverty and a complete break down of the states economy.

[rhett o rick]

46. Ask her followers if she is against coal and see their heads spin. She was for it before she was

against it, but now kinda for it again. Can we spell TRIANGULATE?

[Proud Public Servant]

22. Yes, and LA, SC, and TX show that Dixie

Wants a moderate, not a progressive. But since neither West Virginia nor any of those other states are going Dem in the general, regardless of who's on the ticket, it doesn't really matter.

[JoePhilly]

28. NC, PA, FL ... Ooops!!!

[seabeyond]

23. Not if like 44% of voters are RW'ers.

[Joe the Revelator]

25. 44% won't vote for Hillary. That is a candidate Clinton problem, not a Sanders problem. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. These are mostly democrats who will not vote for Clinton

do you even understand how that could be a smidgen of a problem? I am assuming you think this is only limited to WV, and if that was the case, ok not a swing state. It is not.

[JoePhilly]

26. What other states are "like West Virginia"???

PA???

Please enlighten us!!!!

[silvershadow]

27. Kicking for the "la la la, my fingers are in my ears" crowd. nt

[JoePhilly]

29. Is WV like PA??

[ozone_man]

34. That's an important aspect of Bernie's appeal.

He can win in areas where an establishment Dem can't. Also, the more voters know about Bernie, the more they like. He just may make it.

[Skwmom]

36. They had her supporters on the other day saying she will use Bernie to get those votes.

So they want Bernie to vouch for Hillary Clinton on trade. Go out and tell all of those people that are really, really struggling that they can count on Clinton. Hmm...

[polly7]

39. The arrogance of this is stunning. nt.

[rhett o rick]

47. Hubris will be the downfall of the Party Elite. Then where will their minions be? nm

[1StrongBlackMan]

37. Big coal is progressivism? ...

Another way to see these results could be:

The same voters that preferred the white woman over the Black man (in 2008), prefer the white man over the white female (in 2016).

And, when you factor in trump ... they prefer the white "uber-AMERICAN" male over the Jewish man and the white woman.

Did you think about that?

[Octafish]

43. Great post, Joe the Revelator!

West Virginia cares less about talk than action. They know who will work for real progress, putting People over profits.

[onenote]

48. And is that why, four years ago, W.VA preferred Romney over Obama

By the fourth or fifth largest margin in the country?

Because they preferred Romney's "progressivism"?

[KingFlorez]

50. What it showed was a lot of protest vote

West Virginia isn't progressive one bit, it's super conservative. 40% of those who voted for Sanders said they would vote for Trump over him in the general election, so that tells you all that you need to know. This isn't no great progressive victory. Clinton was Obama's Secretary of State, which means that West Virginia was going to vote for anyone but her, because they hate Obama. A man in prison got 40% of the vote against Obama in the 2012 primary.

If 40% of Sanders supporters would dump him for Trump in November that doesn't say progressive at all.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. No that is not hwat hte poll asked

the poll asked who of the two GE candidates they would vote for?

[Joe the Revelator]

61. That is not what the poll asked. At all.

[forjusticethunders]

62. And that's why a huge chunk of those Bernie voters would

vote against Bernie for Trump in the GE...

[Joe the Revelator]

63. That's not what the poll asked, or do you just repeat talking points without looking into them?

The poll asked between Hillary and Trump who would you vote for. Sanders was not part of the poll.