More people voted for Hillary in the Nebraska Primary than participated in the Nebraska Caucus.

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With 100% in, 41,829 people voted for Hillary in todays primary. 33,460 people voted in the entire Nebraska caucus.

Hillary is winning the non-binding primary 54-46. Bernie won the binding caucus 57-43.

This proves once again how undemocratic most caucuses are.



http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/NE-D

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2016/by_county/NE_Page_0510.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS

[msongs]

1. caucuses are the most undemocratic voting method and favor voters with nothing else to do.

retired people, students, indigents, younger people who don't work

[anotherproletariat]

4. And even then, it sets up a situation where the loud can bully the meak.

My grandmother went to her caucus in Washington state, and called me afterwards totally appalled at what she had seen.
She said that people were calling out individuals by their addresses, as if to say 'we know where you live'. They were yelling at the Hillary supporters saying that they were not true Democrats and there were chants of 'go home Hillbots'.

Luckily my grandma is a plucky woman who stayed and stood up for Hillary, but she saw many people give in just to avoid conflict.

[oasis]

24. Situations such as you described have likely taken place

throughout this election period. Bad scene.

[Agschmid]

33. Yup.

[panader0]

2. Translation---HRC gets nothing from this.

[onehandle]

3. The Democratic Nomination is nothing?

Cool story, bro.

[timmymoff]

5. She won the democratic nomination from a non binding primary in nebraska?

We are screwed then!

[CorporatistNation]

31. The HOLE Ne Thing Was A SCAM! The Bernie People Had ZERO Reason To Come Out For THIS!

The REAL Vote happened before... an

d ANYONE WHO WANTED TO CAUCUS COULD HAVE PARTICIPATED JUST AS IN SOME PRIMARY! THE WHOLE THING WAS PROPAGANDA TO DEFLECT FROM A BERNIE WIN... TO GIVE MEDIA FODDER TO CONSTRUCT A MEME THAT SOMEHOW BERNIE'S EARLIER WIN WAS NOT MEANINGFUL.... THEY PUT THE BS RESULTS UP TO FEED THE BULL TO "CONFUSE" THOSE WHO DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS WHAT...

AND TO TRY AND COUNTER THE VERRRRRYYYYY BAD OPTICS OF THE SO CALLED ANOINTED ONE FROM DAY ONE LOSING ANOTHER ONE... BIG! LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SHE LIMPS IN TO PHILLY AFTER TAKING NUMEROUS LOSSES FROM THE ONLY AUTHENTIC CANDIDATE IN THE RACE WHO STANDS FOR THE PEOPLE AND NOT THE CORPORATION /OLIGARCHY....

[Agschmid]

34. Votes ... The new "meme"

God the hypocrisy is stunning.

[ThePhilosopher04]

6. Easier to steal a primary than a caucus. Not to mention nothing was riding on it.

Bernie dominated the one that counted.

[Renew Deal]

7. Yes, we know. When Bernie loses it's stolen. When he wins it's the will of the voters.

[ThePhilosopher04]

8. Exactly.

[Renew Deal]

9. And when fewer people show up to an undemocratic process Bernie wins

When more people show up to a Democratic process where everyone can vote, Bernie loses.

[ThePhilosopher04]

10. Please explain how a caucus undemocratic?

[Renew Deal]

11. Limited amount of time. Fewer polling locations. Not always handicapped friendly.

Must be physically present during caucus time to vote. Must have several hours free to arrive, register, and participate. Must be willing to vote publicly in front of neighbors. And there's some other stuff. But this is the bulk of it.

I love the process, but it isn't really democratic.

[ThePhilosopher04]

15. Inconvenient doesn't = undemocratic

[Maru Kitteh]

18. Disenfranchisement of the elderly, the disabled, those w/o transportation & the poor is

abso-fucking-lutely undemocratic.

[ThePhilosopher04]

20. Using your logic ...

the entire system of voting is undemocratic, considering the same issues apply with primaries and general elections. Do away with electronic voting machines, and open the primaries to independents and I might agree with you.

[Maru Kitteh]

22. I don't have an issue with getting rid of the machines. Independents can register Dem if

they want a say in choosing our candidate. Switch back the next day for all I care, but if you can't be bothered to RSVP, don't be surprised when the menu items are chosen for you.

[ThePhilosopher04]

26. I disagree.

We have a de facto two-party system and citizens have a right to not affiliate with either. They also have a right to vote, and should be able to choose whichever candidate, of any party, represents their interests. Independents make up more than a third of the electorate. Not allowing them access to primaries and caucuses is certainly not supportive of an open, democratic process.

[Maru Kitteh]

42. I don't get to vote in your local electric cooperative. It's limited to it's members.

That's how stuff works.

Again. Everyone is invited to the party, but if you can't be bothered to RSVP, then I guess you didn't really give a shit enough about what you get at the party to begin with. Don't be surprised when the menu items are chosen for you.

[mythology]

38. A regular election maintains the secret ballot

A regular election doesn't inherently mean having to be there are a specific time with the ability to stay there for hours on end. No the entire system of voting isn't undemocratic. That's just revisionist nonsense because Sanders struggles in primary elections (whether closed or open) unless the demographics line up in his favor. It's one of the reasons why Sanders winning states like Indiana and West Virginia is effectively useless. He isn't building momentum as he's never managed to consistently do well with black or Hispanic voters.

[Agschmid]

35. Yes, actually it does.

Caucuses automatically disenfranchise thousands of voters, to pretend otherwise is ridiculous.

[Agschmid]

36. Rank hypocrisy all over the damn place.

[Lucinda]

12. KNR

[morningfog]

13. It proves nothing of the sort.

There are any number of explanations for the discrepancy that do not include "caucuses are undemocratic."

[Maru Kitteh]

14. Remarkable. Caucuses should be eliminated from our party.

[ThePhilosopher04]

16. So should electronic voting machines

[Maru Kitteh]

19. Parties do not choose equipment. Paper ballots are not my soap box because

wails of "they cheated!" predate machines and paper ballots can be "miscounted" too. There have always been WAY more accusations of fraud than actual fraud, mostly because all elections feature a sizeable number of emotionally invested people who will not win.

It's a self-comforting measure to imagine that you were right all along, Everyone loved your candidate, just like you, but the evil other candidate cheated.

All this having been said; I have no objection to paper ballots or machine ballots. I think all states should have vote-by-mail available to all.

[ThePhilosopher04]

21. Everyone knows the system is rigged in Hillary's favor. Has been since day one.

As for paper ballots. They can certainly be miscounted but it's much harder to flip votes and there's always a paper trail in case of a contested election. Private companies involved in counting ballots is never a good thing, regardless of who's side you are on.

[Maru Kitteh]

23. "everyone knows"

I can't have a conversation with you if you will insist on absolutes and fantastical assumptions. I prefer logic and reason.

Again, I have no problem with eliminating electronic voting machines. Really.

[ThePhilosopher04]

27. I'm being totally logical. You know it's true.

[ericson00]

17. caucuses are not un-democratic; they're ANTI-DEMOCRATIC

because real elections are secret ballots.

[oasis]

25. +1

[ThePhilosopher04]

28. You need a refresher course on what democratic and undemocratic means.

[TheBlackAdder]

32. So is blocking people from performing same day voter registration, shuts newcomers out!

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But it worked so well to controll so many state elections.


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[JDPriestly]

29. Actually what it proves is that there was no reason for x

those of Bernie's supporters who voted in the caucus to vote in the primary since they knew their candidate had already won the caucus.

Why didn't Hillary's voters bother to vote in the caucus if that was the vote that counted? Not a very well organized bunch I would say.

[Agschmid]

37. Which process worked to select down ticket dems?

[Renew Deal]

39. Jobs, Kids, who knows.

But there is a difference between being able to vote for 10 minutes out of 10 hours and having to spend hours in one place at the same time as everyone else to participate. It's shameful to defend a process where FEWER people get to participate.

[JimDandy]

41. Caucuses should be dumped. They are an anti-democratic process that should be replaced

with the primary process as far as allocation of delegates goes. In the meantime, as you Hillary people often point out, Bernie and his supporters must deal with the Dem processes and rules whether we like them or not. Bernie won the NE caucuses. The caucuses count, not the primary. Large numbers of people don't vote in the useless primary, especially supporters of the candidate who won the caucus.

Hillary should have gotten her supporters out for the process that mattered: the caucus vote. This is just sour grapes now.

[annavictorious]

30. The Nebraska Democratic party was begging people to show up to vote

for down ticket candidates, but a Sanders supporter says that it's OK that his people didn't vote because there was nothing in it for Bernie.

Now that's exemplary citizenship.

[Renew Deal]

40. Selfishness