Why The Superdelegates Need To Switch To Sanders IMMEDIATELY

[votesparks]

[JDPriestly]

1. The media has its own agenda -- net neutrality and Citizens United.

They want a president they can push to augment their bottom lines by agreeing to end net neutrality and by appointing a Supreme Court justice who will vote to continue Citizens United.

[virgista]

3. Very prescient JD.

The Democrats can join the Republicans as a party that shits in the nest. Well Ok, they already have. Except for Bernie and all of us who support his ideas.

[bjo59]

20. Exactly.

[Demsrule86]

44. so your idea of democracy

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is to give the person who lost the primary the nomination thus overturning the will of millions of voters. I don't know what you guys want to call yourself...but you certainly do not value democracy. I call that totalitarianism...when a winner is picked regardless of the voting. Some revolution.

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. Either way you are fucked. THEY have decided on Trump.

[hrmjustin]

4. Ignoring the will of the voters equals a November loss.

Hillary has more delegates and votes. They take it away from her then expect a lot of us to be really pissed off.

There will be consequences.

[virgista]

5. The corrupt and unrepresentative super-delegate system IS ignoring the will of the people.

And we are really, really pissed off.

[hrmjustin]

6. In the end if Hillary wins more votes and pledged delegates she should be nominated.

If she is not you will see pissed off.

[Beacool]

42. No, they are not!!!

Hillary is far ahead in pledged delegates. Giving the nomination to Sanders would be denying the will of the people.

[workinclasszero]

61. They are ok with denying the will of millions of

democratic voters as long as their guy is installed in place of Hillary.

So much for "progressives" loving democracy and the will of the people.

Its all meaningless noise. I have really gotten an education on the so-called left wing progressive movement in these primaries.

A very ugly and vicious education on the power of personality over democracy, morality and the will of the people.

About using the lowest gutter politics right from the worse teabagger/hate radio sources. As long as it advances your cult of personality..anything goes.

I will never feel the same about people I thought were intelligent and cared about doing the right and fair thing.

Turns out it was all bullshit.

Sad, real sad.

[Demsrule86]

45. The will of the people

is that Hillary be the nominee..most delegates and most popular vote.

[silvershadow]

7. I'm not sure we can deduce the will of the voters accurately in the entire first half

of this primary. But clearly the trend is with Bernie. In fact, if the entire first half of this primary were not riddled with massive disenfranchisement, I suspect we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

[hrmjustin]

9. The one with more votes was the first choice of the people in the first half.

It's as easy as 1+1=2

Take all the primaries and caucuses and see who has more votes and pledged delegates and the picture becomes very clear.

[silvershadow]

11. I was referring to the Great Coast to Coast Irregularity Tour. PS: Caucuses are very

undemocratic, and I'm not even sure why they have made inroads into our party, much further than they already had been. No, not the most. The requisite number. Absent that, which neither candidate will have, we all go to convention.

[hrmjustin]

15. Let's be clear.

They nominate the second place finisher we don't just roll over.

[silvershadow]

32. That was anything but clear. Why don't you spell it out, because that was just confusing. From my

perspective, what I am trying to say is that, like it or not, we are coming to convention. By that time, the evidence may be incontrovertible that her numbers are tanking while his are still rising. If they are evenly matched, those delegates may have to choose. It's not my fault they pledged historically and inordinately early.

[msongs]

30. without the undemocratic caucuses bernie would already be a distant memory nt

[silvershadow]

33. Yet, that's what we agreed to. Don't like caucuses? Join team Bernie, who is fighting

to end such ridiculous things, along with wanting to move us towards direct elections.

[leftynyc]

63. Spare me the continuous bullshit

If Hillary has said one word about the caucus system, every single Bernie supporter would have been howling and whining about her being a sore loser. Don't even try that bullshit with thinking people.

[Demsrule86]

46. there is no trend

30-40 % of WVA Bernie voters plan to vote for Trump over Sanders assuming he was the nominee. so no, you don't get to get a nomination handed to you...have to win it. All Bernie is doing is acting as a spoiler and I almost feel sad...he had great ideas that we could have used down the road, but he is destroying himself by staying in the primary.

[KingFlorez]

8. Exactly

Clinton voters would not show up for Sanders. People really don't know like having their vote ignored.

[hrmjustin]

10. They don't realize that we won't just roll over.

[silvershadow]

13. Projection. nt

[hrmjustin]

16. Reality.

[silvershadow]

19. No, really though. nt

[hrmjustin]

21. How would you feel if Sanders won more votes and pledged delegates but Hillary was chosen?

[silvershadow]

22. She hasn't won the Supers at all, and won't until the Convention, and by then perhaps

the landscape will be much different. Them's the rules.

[hrmjustin]

23. Please answer my question. How would you feel if that happens?

[silvershadow]

24. Probably about like I felt after the Great New York Irregularity. nt

[hrmjustin]

25. My brother got snagged in the purge.

I was very pissed off.

Many Hillary and Sanders voters here in Brooklyn could not vote.

[silvershadow]

27. It wasn't just there, either. I just provided one example. There were irregularities all along.

Arizona was when I first got my neck hairs up. That's when I knew the "attempted fix" was in. Been kinda pissed since.

[hrmjustin]

29. Arizona was a crime just like in Brooklyn.

Phoenix has over 3 million people but they opened just a few polling places.

Criminal.

[silvershadow]

34. Yes, wasn't it? nt

[leftynyc]

64. More bullshit

Bernie would have only lost NY worse if those Brooklyn voters weren't purged. Hillary cleaned up in the boroughs - something I've pointed out to you countless times and you refuse to acknowledge. That's nobodies problem but your own.

[Demsrule86]

47. there is no such rule

And in my opinion,pigs will fly before the Supers overturn the will of the people for a weak candidate like Bernie or any candidate. Polls showed Clinton beating McCain in swing states including Ohio and Florida in 08...she won 9 of the last primaries...the supers remained unmoved.

[Demsrule86]

52. They will make their choice known

before the convention as they did with Obama. At the point Bernie gets out or is finished in politics...assuming he has not already blown up his career.

[basselope]

14. Hillary voters will vote for anyone with a D next to their name.

Afterall.. they are Hillary voters.

[hrmjustin]

17. Sanders doesn't have one.

[basselope]

35. Thank the gods for something!

However, he will IF he wins the nomination.. and so we don't have to worry about Hillary voters...

But.. you have to worry about us.

[hrmjustin]

38. Well I won't be a part of taking the election away from the first place finisher.

They do that it will be very hard to vote for Sanders.

It would be asking a lot to vote for a man eho came in second snd took the nomination from Hillary.

I am not the only one that feels this way.

[basselope]

40. There were PUMA's last time too.

The election is won with independents... NOT the DLC part of the democratic party.

[Demsrule86]

51. Oh no

I don't think Sanders can win a general so I don't vote for him...he has no chance. I would never vote for someone who cheated by being awarded a nomination he lost.

[Demsrule86]

48. Actually I would not have to vote for Sanders

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And I would not vote someone who took the nomination and did not win it during the primary. No way my state Ohio goes for Bernie so I don't to have to vote for the anti-democratic candidate. Can't steal a primary. If he won the nomination fair and square, I would vote for him but he can't at this point.

[basselope]

58. yet he is the only one who can win ohio.

[Ace Rothstein]

60. The guy with the 4th most votes in the primary.

He's going to win the state in the general election?

[basselope]

65. Yes.

By your logic, Clinton has 0 chance at Ohio b/c she got less votes than Trump.

However, for some reason, he outpolls her consistently in Ohio.

It might have something to do with independents and anti-establishment people leaning towards Sanders. However, if given a choice between Clinton and Trump, they lean towards Trump.

[Ace Rothstein]

66. By consistently do you mean one out of ever four polls?

[basselope]

67. I mean each and every single one.

[Ace Rothstein]

68. Then you would be very wrong.

[basselope]

70. Not at all.

There isn't a single poll in which Bernie doesn't preform better against the GOP candidates.

[Demsrule86]

53. Sanders is not a Democrat

If he wins the most delegates, I would vote for him but if he steals the primary ...I won't. He can't win Ohio anyway so I won't vote for him...he will lose as McGovern and Dukakis did. I do need to tell you, though. I don't think Bernie has a snowball's chance in hell of switching the supers unless he wins the delegate count which is mathematically impossible.

[basselope]

59. he is the only one who can win ohio.

[silvershadow]

12. Tell us about it. The Great Coast to Coast Disenfranchisement Tour precedes us. nt

[synergie]

28. At least you can be honest about what Birdie sanders and his berniebers are demanding!

Why such zeal to disenfranchise voters who didn't buy what your candidate was selling? By the way, have you sent int your $27 tithe to finance this great coast to coast tour to spread the fraud? He's running out of money and private planes to take one on a great coat to coast disenfranchisement tour is expensive!

[silvershadow]

36. Oh dear...you left your closet door open. nt

[The Second Stone]

18. I do believe in Tinkerbell!

I do! I do believe! Believe makes bs happen! Math is not true, only my truest wishes in my heart of hearts is true.

[pacalo]

39. Bernie for the win!

[synergie]

26. Because neither Bernie nor his supporters care much about the voter's actual will and are

fine with demanding that SD's violate the popular vote and the pledged delegate count and crown the loser because his small group of supporters demand that they do, in harassing, abusive ways?

And former raging CONS who were pro-Clarence Thomas and anti-Anita Hill MUST be listened when they serve Bernie's undemocratic ideals?

[LWolf]

43. Bernie and his supporters ARE voters. nt

[msongs]

31. the entire known universe is conspiring against bernie? heavy duty nt

[silvershadow]

37. Yeah, he took finally took a page from Clinton's entire life. That whole vast

right-wing conspiracy she yammers on about. She tried her best to play that woman card of 40 years ago in today's millennial society, with expectedly little results. It was a tired repeat of 2008's losing campaign, and rehashed, just din't have the same appeal. The wheels fell off the bus many months ago. Her trend lines are going down, his are going up. It used to be posted all the time here, but ever since she release the Brock team onto the internet a lot of that has been stifled now. Posters banned. Posters juried into submission. Posters getting disgusted with the trollish behavior and childish antics fleeing to other sites. If anything, Bernie has treated her with kid gloves for all the negatives she brought to race.

[Beacool]

41. And in two months that argument won't work.

If the super delegates deny the nomination to the candidate who makes it to the convention with the most pledged delegates and who is also far ahead in the popular vote, they will really have a revolution on their hands.

That's the one scenario that would cause chaos. To give the nomination to the losing candidate is undemocratic. Cenk, et al. can go to hell!!! Imagine if the situation was the reverse and the nomination was denied to Sanders.

If the super delegates were to subvert democracy, I will stay home. I refuse to vote for the person who did not legitimately win the nomination.

[tonyt53]

55. Bernie's supporters are sounding exactly like Ted Cruz. How very odd.

[Beacool]

62. It's Sanders and his two senior staffers' fault.

Sanders, Devine and Weaver keep pushing this strategy that the nomination should be given to the candidate who polls best against Trump. Anyone in the business knows that while the primaries are still going these match up polls are useless.

I find it outrageous that they keep suggesting that the primary results should be ignored and that the nomination should be given to the candidate who is losing on both fronts: pledged delegates and popular vote. Not only is Sanders behind, but he's behind by a lot more that Hillary was in 2008 when the super delegates switched to Obama. So, it was OK to nominate Obama when he was ahead by only 102 delegates and the popular vote was almost even, but it's not OK to nominate Hillary when she's currently ahead by 276 pledged delegates and has a 3M vote lead? I find the whole thing hypocritical and undemocratic.

[dcbuckeye]

49. Clinton supporters have nothing to worry about

The SDs will never switch to Bernie. Even if he wins a few more primaries and even if those meaningless polls continue showing him beating Trump by larger margins.

[hack89]

50. Why bother to have people actually vote when polls are the better means to choosing leaders? nt

[CrowCityDem]

54. They cry louder?

[beachbumbob]

56. Lol...sanders has never been vetted by media...SDs all know how he will be destroyed...

They will stick with the winner...hillary

[ReasonableToo]

57. Most of supers are either lobbyists or beholden to $$ from H's "victory fund" ...

...or promised favors or fear of retribution or all of the above.

Unfortunately, it's not about the voters will.

I think the only reason super delegates should be used is to capture changing trends. Such as, if new info comes out and PEOPLE in states that already voted in early primaries have changed their minds and want to correct.

But mostly the idea of supers is undemocratic.

[Il_Coniglietto]

69. Pure comedy.

"Why the superdelegates should ignore the majority of primary voters!!!!"

Personally, I'd rather keep democracy.