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Wed May 11, 2016, 06:09 AM

 

Hillary silent on her church's anti-LGBT stance. Blasts it for position on Israel divestment

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/05/09/as_the_united_methodist_general_conference_approaches_lgbtq_christians_are.html

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In response to a request from leaders of the Israel Action Network (IAN) and the Jewish Federations of North America (JFNA), Clinton, arguably the church’s most prominent member, wrote a letter underlining the need to make countering BDS a priority.
“Particularly at a time when anti-Semitism is on the rise across the world,” Clinton wrote in the letter sent to IAN and the Jewish Federations and obtained by Jewish Insider. “We need to repudiate forceful efforts to malign and undermine Israel and the Jewish people. Anti-Semitism has no place in any civilized society—not in America, not in Europe, not anywhere. We must never tire in defending Israel’s legitimacy, expanding security and economic ties, and taking our alliance to the next level.”

“Please know that I am grateful for your work, and that I stand ready to be your partner as we engage all people of good faith—regardless of their political persuasion or their views on policy specifics—in explaining why the BDS campaign is counterproductive to the pursuit of peace and harmful to Israelis and Palestinians alike,” Clinton added.

The Democratic presidential front-runner also boasted about her Israel record as she readies for a general election match-up with her likely Republican opponent, Donald Trump. ”As Senator and Secretary of State, I saw how crucial it is for America to defend Israel at every turn,” Clinton wrote. “I have opposed dozens of anti-Israel resolutions at the UN, the Human Rights Council, and other international organizations. I condemned the biased Goldstone Report, making it clear that Israel must be allowed to defend itself like any other country. And I made sure the United States blocked Palestinian attempts at the UN to unilaterally declare statehood. Time after time, no matter the venue, I have made it clear that America will always stand up for Israel. If I am fortunate enough to be elected president, the United States will reaffirm we have a strong and enduring national interest in Israel’s security.”

http://www.jewishjournal.com/election2016/item/in_letter_to_jewish_leaders_clinton_reaffirms_commitment_to_combat_bds_effo

Letter:
https://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/312016842/Hillary-Clinton-IAN-Letter

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Reply Hillary silent on her church's anti-LGBT stance. Blasts it for position on Israel divestment (Original post)
cali May 2016 OP
vi5 May 2016 #1
Betty Karlson May 2016 #16
CobaltBlue May 2016 #22
vi5 May 2016 #24
Name removed May 2016 #28
Name removed May 2016 #26
oldandhappy May 2016 #27
Agschmid May 2016 #2
JoePhilly May 2016 #8
cali May 2016 #9
Agschmid May 2016 #10
cali May 2016 #12
Agschmid May 2016 #13
cali May 2016 #14
Agschmid May 2016 #15
cali May 2016 #17
Agschmid May 2016 #18
Bluenorthwest May 2016 #20
Agschmid May 2016 #29
Proud Public Servant May 2016 #3
Agschmid May 2016 #4
JoePhilly May 2016 #5
cali May 2016 #6
JoePhilly May 2016 #7
cali May 2016 #11
Bluenorthwest May 2016 #21
JoePhilly May 2016 #25
Ash_F May 2016 #19
Bluenorthwest May 2016 #23

Response to cali (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:28 AM

1. Ugh, it's already starting...

 

..she's going to be more focused on peeling off conservatives/republicans disaffected by the Trump nomination than she will be with convincing disaffected liberals to get out and vote for her. So her whole team I can guarantee is going to encourage her to tack right to convince those Republicans that she's conservative enough to vote for over Trump.

I might as well find a way to permanently affix my face to my palm because I'm quite sure it's going to be there all the time over the next few months.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #1)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:24 AM

16. It's disgusting.

 

I hope she loses the nomination ignominiously.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #1)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:15 AM

22. vi5—A winning Democrat isn’t going to carry more conservatives than liberals.

 

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Response to CobaltBlue (Reply #22)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:37 AM

24. I know, which is why it's a losing strategy....

 

We're in the position we're in as far as the minority party in most bodies of government except the White House, because we've the party has taken the take that they'd rather try and peel off conservatives than try to shore up their liberal base.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #1)

Wed May 11, 2016, 09:07 AM

27. well said

giggle

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:29 AM

2. The Catholic Church is anti gay...

Just an FYI.

And I sure do remember a it if pro Pope stuff lately.

Odd.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #2)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:48 AM

8. Funny how that works.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #2)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:53 AM

9. This is her church and this is what she chooses to castigate it for. Comparing it to bernie

 

going to speak at the Vatican on poverty is a red herring. When he goes to conservative venues like Liberty U., he always firmly voices his support for full equality for the LGBT community. The struggle for equality in her own church is currently in the forefront. Where is Hillary's letter on this issue? Bernie is not the one who puts his religion front and center.

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Response to cali (Reply #9)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:57 AM

10. Both support gay marriage.

Using this as a wedge issue for liberals is disgusting.

Religion does nothing but hate on gays 24/7 ( a select few don't) cone walk a mile in my shoes. It's fun.

I'm so happy to see things improve over the past few years, I'm not ready to see a republican walk that back.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #10)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:58 AM

12. Another red herring. She does not lead on progressive issues. She follows the polls.

 

Hill was against equality until 2013.

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Response to cali (Reply #12)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:02 AM

13. Continue to divide liberals.

Strange bedfellows indeed.

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/05/dan-savage-hillary-clinton/

“She wasn’t always good on gay marriage, but neither was Barack Obama…When you go to somebody, go to a politician, and you say, ‘Please change your mind,’ when they change their mind, you don’t then spend the rest of their lives going, ‘F*ck you for not changing your mind sooner!’ You say, ‘Welcome to the right side of this issue, we’re glad to have you.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #13)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:10 AM

14. That's it? Trying to silence people from criticizing Hillary? Sad.

 

Now that is antithetical to liberal values.

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Response to cali (Reply #14)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:14 AM

15. Engaging you in conversation = silencing liberals.

Damn...

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #15)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:25 AM

17. Uh no. This accusation is not attempting to engage in conversation

 

Continue to divide liberals.

Your words.

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Response to cali (Reply #17)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:26 AM

18. Yes, my words. Based on your actions.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #18)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:10 AM

20. Hillary's actions of late have been to lavish praise on Republicans who had genocidally anti gay

 

agendas while also claiming that the LGBT community failed to take any action until her heroes, Ronald and Nancy Reagan got the ball rolling for us. Of course in reality Reagan was entirely silent for seven long years while tens of thousands of Americans died. Hillary says Reagan did it all when in fact he did nothing.

Hillary has spent decades lauding her own faith and Church, directly crediting her religion for her strongly held opposition to LGBT equality. She herself said she was opposed to our rights because of that Church. Her current statements and actions suggest she holds ignorant false ideas about basic history and a person holding such ideas can't possibly be a trustworthy guardian of civil rights they don't really value, rights threatened by a Party that Hillary seems to think very highly of particularly in regard to AIDS and LGBT issues, she says Ronald Reagan started all things good.

I'm not into that. I'm neither a Reagan Democrat nor a historic revisionist.


And of course her supporters pattern after Reagan on this, mention what Hillary said and they fall silent. They have no response. They can't even manage to make a case for their own support of such horrible statements.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #20)

Wed May 11, 2016, 12:21 PM

29. We've talked about this several times now, she made a ridiculous comment.

Totally false, probably the stupidest thing she has said the whole election.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:30 AM

3. Well, you can't fault her for consistency (nt)

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:36 AM

4. Religion is for the most part anti gay.

Sucks huh?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:41 AM

5. But what does Reverend Wright have to say about it?

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #5)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:46 AM

6. Say what? Thanks for a perfect illustration of a non sequitur

 

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Response to cali (Reply #6)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:47 AM

7. Attacking a candidate's church and minister ... wonder where you learned that.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #7)

Wed May 11, 2016, 06:57 AM

11. What the Fuck? First of all, I was an early supporter of Obama's. Hillfans

 

were the ones attacking Wright. Secondly, speaking out against institutional bigotry.is .a liberal democratic value. Not surprised that it's not important to you.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #5)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:13 AM

21. Rev Wright's Trinity UCC congregation in Chicago was one of the earliest fully inclusive and

 

welcoming congregations in the US. Obama's attendance at Trinity was a big plus to me and one of the reasons I trusted Barack with my rights over Hillary in 2008, a choice that has proven to have been a wise choice. Trinity flew the Rainbow Flag in and prior to 2008.
Wright would take issue with the bigotry of the Methodists.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #21)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:44 AM

25. He also said many extremely controversial things ...

... things that the right wing used to try and smear Obama with them.

And now we have one of DU's high priests of liberalism using the same exact tactic to smear Hillary.

Impressive.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed May 11, 2016, 07:32 AM

19. The UMC is challenged on both the I/P conflict and Gay rights for the same reason.

The reason being that the delegates at their conference come from many different nations, some third world.

As far as Israel goes, they are not viewed terribly favorably outside the US, particularly in the third world where there is strong anti-colonial sentiment.

As far as gay rights go, many of these same countries outlaw being gay. It is hard to ask delegates to support gay rights in Portland then go to back to Ethiopia and maybe get killed over it.

We have it easy in the US.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #19)

Wed May 11, 2016, 08:17 AM

23. In reality it is LGBT people who get killed by religious people in those countries and thus

 

it is the responsibility of the 'good' religious people to clean their own houses of such violence and bigotry. 'Some of my friends hate you so I remain your enemy' is just an excuse to be a bigot. Such persons value their relationships with hateful co-religionists and place no value at all on the lives of LGTB.

Also, I must have missed the part where Jesus says 'It's super easy to do the right thing and no one is ever persecuted for righteousness'. I think he said the opposite of that. He's supposed to be in charge....

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