Hillary silent on her church's anti-LGBT stance. Blasts it for position on Israel divestment

[cali]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/05/09/as_the_united_methodist_general_conference_approaches_lgbtq_christians_are.html

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In response to a request from leaders of the Israel Action Network (IAN) and the Jewish Federations of North America (JFNA), Clinton, arguably the church’s most prominent member, wrote a letter underlining the need to make countering BDS a priority.
“Particularly at a time when anti-Semitism is on the rise across the world,” Clinton wrote in the letter sent to IAN and the Jewish Federations and obtained by Jewish Insider. “We need to repudiate forceful efforts to malign and undermine Israel and the Jewish people. Anti-Semitism has no place in any civilized society—not in America, not in Europe, not anywhere. We must never tire in defending Israel’s legitimacy, expanding security and economic ties, and taking our alliance to the next level.”

“Please know that I am grateful for your work, and that I stand ready to be your partner as we engage all people of good faith—regardless of their political persuasion or their views on policy specifics—in explaining why the BDS campaign is counterproductive to the pursuit of peace and harmful to Israelis and Palestinians alike,” Clinton added.

The Democratic presidential front-runner also boasted about her Israel record as she readies for a general election match-up with her likely Republican opponent, Donald Trump. ”As Senator and Secretary of State, I saw how crucial it is for America to defend Israel at every turn,” Clinton wrote. “I have opposed dozens of anti-Israel resolutions at the UN, the Human Rights Council, and other international organizations. I condemned the biased Goldstone Report, making it clear that Israel must be allowed to defend itself like any other country. And I made sure the United States blocked Palestinian attempts at the UN to unilaterally declare statehood. Time after time, no matter the venue, I have made it clear that America will always stand up for Israel. If I am fortunate enough to be elected president, the United States will reaffirm we have a strong and enduring national interest in Israel’s security.”

http://www.jewishjournal.com/election2016/item/in_letter_to_jewish_leaders_clinton_reaffirms_commitment_to_combat_bds_effo

Letter:
https://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/312016842/Hillary-Clinton-IAN-Letter

[vi5]

1. Ugh, it's already starting...

..she's going to be more focused on peeling off conservatives/republicans disaffected by the Trump nomination than she will be with convincing disaffected liberals to get out and vote for her. So her whole team I can guarantee is going to encourage her to tack right to convince those Republicans that she's conservative enough to vote for over Trump.

I might as well find a way to permanently affix my face to my palm because I'm quite sure it's going to be there all the time over the next few months.

[Betty Karlson]

16. It's disgusting.

I hope she loses the nomination ignominiously.

[CobaltBlue]

22. vi5—A winning Democrat isn’t going to carry more conservatives than liberals.

[vi5]

24. I know, which is why it's a losing strategy....

We're in the position we're in as far as the minority party in most bodies of government except the White House, because we've the party has taken the take that they'd rather try and peel off conservatives than try to shore up their liberal base.

[oldandhappy]

27. well said

giggle

[Agschmid]

2. The Catholic Church is anti gay...

Just an FYI.

And I sure do remember a it if pro Pope stuff lately.

Odd.

[JoePhilly]

8. Funny how that works.

[cali]

9. This is her church and this is what she chooses to castigate it for. Comparing it to bernie

going to speak at the Vatican on poverty is a red herring. When he goes to conservative venues like Liberty U., he always firmly voices his support for full equality for the LGBT community. The struggle for equality in her own church is currently in the forefront. Where is Hillary's letter on this issue? Bernie is not the one who puts his religion front and center.

[Agschmid]

10. Both support gay marriage.

Using this as a wedge issue for liberals is disgusting.

Religion does nothing but hate on gays 24/7 ( a select few don't) cone walk a mile in my shoes. It's fun.

I'm so happy to see things improve over the past few years, I'm not ready to see a republican walk that back.

[cali]

12. Another red herring. She does not lead on progressive issues. She follows the polls.

Hill was against equality until 2013.

[Agschmid]

13. Continue to divide liberals.

Strange bedfellows indeed.

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/05/dan-savage-hillary-clinton/

“She wasn’t always good on gay marriage, but neither was Barack Obama…When you go to somebody, go to a politician, and you say, ‘Please change your mind,’ when they change their mind, you don’t then spend the rest of their lives going, ‘F*ck you for not changing your mind sooner!’ You say, ‘Welcome to the right side of this issue, we’re glad to have you.

[cali]

14. That's it? Trying to silence people from criticizing Hillary? Sad.

Now that is antithetical to liberal values.

[Agschmid]

15. Engaging you in conversation = silencing liberals.

Damn...

[cali]

17. Uh no. This accusation is not attempting to engage in conversation

Continue to divide liberals.

Your words.

[Agschmid]

18. Yes, my words. Based on your actions.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. Hillary's actions of late have been to lavish praise on Republicans who had genocidally anti gay

agendas while also claiming that the LGBT community failed to take any action until her heroes, Ronald and Nancy Reagan got the ball rolling for us. Of course in reality Reagan was entirely silent for seven long years while tens of thousands of Americans died. Hillary says Reagan did it all when in fact he did nothing.

Hillary has spent decades lauding her own faith and Church, directly crediting her religion for her strongly held opposition to LGBT equality. She herself said she was opposed to our rights because of that Church. Her current statements and actions suggest she holds ignorant false ideas about basic history and a person holding such ideas can't possibly be a trustworthy guardian of civil rights they don't really value, rights threatened by a Party that Hillary seems to think very highly of particularly in regard to AIDS and LGBT issues, she says Ronald Reagan started all things good.

I'm not into that. I'm neither a Reagan Democrat nor a historic revisionist.


And of course her supporters pattern after Reagan on this, mention what Hillary said and they fall silent. They have no response. They can't even manage to make a case for their own support of such horrible statements.

[Agschmid]

29. We've talked about this several times now, she made a ridiculous comment.

Totally false, probably the stupidest thing she has said the whole election.

[Proud Public Servant]

3. Well, you can't fault her for consistency (nt)

[Agschmid]

4. Religion is for the most part anti gay.

Sucks huh?

[JoePhilly]

5. But what does Reverend Wright have to say about it?

[cali]

6. Say what? Thanks for a perfect illustration of a non sequitur

[JoePhilly]

7. Attacking a candidate's church and minister ... wonder where you learned that.

[cali]

11. What the Fuck? First of all, I was an early supporter of Obama's. Hillfans

were the ones attacking Wright. Secondly, speaking out against institutional bigotry.is .a liberal democratic value. Not surprised that it's not important to you.

[Bluenorthwest]

21. Rev Wright's Trinity UCC congregation in Chicago was one of the earliest fully inclusive and

welcoming congregations in the US. Obama's attendance at Trinity was a big plus to me and one of the reasons I trusted Barack with my rights over Hillary in 2008, a choice that has proven to have been a wise choice. Trinity flew the Rainbow Flag in and prior to 2008.
Wright would take issue with the bigotry of the Methodists.

[JoePhilly]

25. He also said many extremely controversial things ...

... things that the right wing used to try and smear Obama with them.

And now we have one of DU's high priests of liberalism using the same exact tactic to smear Hillary.

Impressive.

[Ash_F]

19. The UMC is challenged on both the I/P conflict and Gay rights for the same reason.

The reason being that the delegates at their conference come from many different nations, some third world.

As far as Israel goes, they are not viewed terribly favorably outside the US, particularly in the third world where there is strong anti-colonial sentiment.

As far as gay rights go, many of these same countries outlaw being gay. It is hard to ask delegates to support gay rights in Portland then go to back to Ethiopia and maybe get killed over it.

We have it easy in the US.

[Bluenorthwest]

23. In reality it is LGBT people who get killed by religious people in those countries and thus

it is the responsibility of the 'good' religious people to clean their own houses of such violence and bigotry. 'Some of my friends hate you so I remain your enemy' is just an excuse to be a bigot. Such persons value their relationships with hateful co-religionists and place no value at all on the lives of LGTB.

Also, I must have missed the part where Jesus says 'It's super easy to do the right thing and no one is ever persecuted for righteousness'. I think he said the opposite of that. He's supposed to be in charge....