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One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:43 AM May 2016

Two quotes

After reading posts like this one today: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1939772. I can't help think of two of my favorite quotes.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" & "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".

Both seem to be here. First, let us not kid ourselves, Trump and the GOP ARE the enemy. Bernie Sanders (nor Hillary Clinton) are not. A Trump presidency with a GOP controlled congress would be a disaster for this country and set back progressive goals for decades. Does anyone really want Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump deciding the next 2 or 3 Supreme Court Justices, Tax policy, the future of Social Security?

Anyone that would stand by and refuse to vote for Bernie Sanders (or Clinton) is allowing Trump and the GOP to triumph.

Recent history has shown 2 things: When the left is divided as in 1968 and 2000, Republicans win. Also, when Republicans win; the Democratic party goes further to the right. This happened after 3 presidential defeats in the 1980s as well as after mid-term losses in 1992 and 2010.

So let's not kid ourselves. Whatever the outcome of the primaries, afterward we all need to unite together and defeat Trump and the GOP. Even if we have to hold our noses and vote for a candidate that we don't agree with 100% of the time. I'd rather one that I agree with 50% than one who will destroy this country and everything progressives have been fighting for for decades.

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Two quotes (Original Post) One of the 99 May 2016 OP
re: "When the left is divided as in 1968 and 2000, Republicans win." thesquanderer May 2016 #1
The left wasn't divided in 08 or 12. One of the 99 May 2016 #2
Okay, I should have factored out years of incumbents. But 2008 was still divided. thesquanderer May 2016 #5
But in 08 the left came together One of the 99 May 2016 #7
The left will unite behind the Dem candidate this time as well. thesquanderer May 2016 #9
I hope that you are right. One of the 99 May 2016 #10
There's a problem here. VulgarPoet May 2016 #3
No problem. One of the 99 May 2016 #4
JFK quote pdsimdars May 2016 #6
And if JFK were alive today he'd say no Democrat was second One of the 99 May 2016 #8

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
1. re: "When the left is divided as in 1968 and 2000, Republicans win."
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:10 AM
May 2016

At least in recent history, as I see it, the left has always been divided. The Republicans don't always win.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
5. Okay, I should have factored out years of incumbents. But 2008 was still divided.
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:05 AM
May 2016

The Obama/Clinton split was ferocious to the end. It was a nastier campaign than the current one. And earlier, John Edwards was making an even more substantial philosophical split, running to the left of both Obama and Clinton, and was basically only taken out sooner due to scandal. There were also lots of people in the Dem party who simply felt that a black man could not win the general. So yeah, there was plenty of division in 2008.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
9. The left will unite behind the Dem candidate this time as well.
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:35 AM
May 2016

Very few people on the left are actually going to vote for Trump.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
10. I hope that you are right.
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:36 AM
May 2016

My fear is not that those on the left will vote for Trump but stay home and not vote at all.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
3. There's a problem here.
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:50 AM
May 2016

i.e. the difference between a politician's campaign rhetoric, and what they do when they're in power. Sure, all this looks really pretty and all-- but how can I trust any of it?

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