Think incrementalism is bad? Try outcrementalism

[forjusticethunders]

Where you stay outside the systems where power is distributed and achieve absolutely nothing.

[cali]

1. Lol. Poor presentation.

[AgingAmerican]

2. Obama care was supposed to be 'fixed' incrementally

And nothing has been done. See how this works?

[forjusticethunders]

4. There was a chance of getting a public option

With the risk of getting nothing. Maybe it was an acceptable risk, but we got *something* with the ACA even though it's highly flawed (just like Social Security and Medicare were when they were launched) as opposed to nothing.

[AgingAmerican]

6. We were promised it would be 'fixed'

That's how it was sold to us. Nothing has been 'fixed'. Not even the slightest effort.

[nemo137]

11. A SCOTUS descision with two GWB appointees gutting medicaid expansion had something to do w/ that

as did a punishing midterm loss. There's stuff to complain about in the ACA, but pretending it's an incrementalism/pragmatism/third-way thing is nonsense.

[H2O Man]

3. excrementalism

[PufPuf23]

10. Apt term Best to you today. eom

[Chan790]

5. No. If you will it, it is no dream.

The "outcrementalism" that you deride doesn't exist. Assuming control merely requires no longer allowing ourselves to be conned by the likes of Hillary and the GOP inside the systems of power into accepting that we have to give away 99% in order to bargain for our right to the other 1%.

Power comes from the consent of the governed. It's time we stopped consenting to our own enslavement by those Hillary actually works for.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right. Thomas

[PufPuf23]

8. That is just dumb.

Sanders has been a mayor, a member of the House, and a member of the Senate.

I call that participating in the system.

Sanders maintained independence and had impact as a Democratic appointee to many Congressional committees and as contributing to many pieces of legislation.

[forjusticethunders]

9. Proving my point

Sanders has been most effective as an incrementalist. Now if only there was a movement that could push for progressive change within the system instead of self-marginalizing.

[PufPuf23]

12. Specific to 2016 POTUS Sanders represents reverse and transformation.

Many of us expected this from POTUS Obama.

Perhaps unlike other supporters of Sanders, I would expect him only to be a one term POTUS. I would also expect Sanders to fail more often than not as POTUS in changes but that his effort and thoughts would begin a real dialogue and lead to a generational reversal of neo-liberal and neo-conservative influence in the USA.

Hillary Clinton is neither a progressive nor a liberal. As a pol Clinton, supports social and cultural advances where they don't conflict with power and money and empire.

Sanders worked the margin for years and now wants to try to lead and many of us, many good Democrats, want Sanders to have the chance.

Sanders is refreshing and represents an opportunity virtually nobody could have predicted a year ago.

Hillary Clinton, though she is the likely Democratic POTUS nominee, has not comported herself well to the challenge.