Hillary supporters, do you consider the Bush family's acts to be criminal?

[egalitegirl]

Hillary supporters, can you please honestly answer if you consider the Bush family's actions to be criminal? With respect to wars? With respect to their economic policies? Would you accept someone who is their ally as your leader?

[onehandle]

1. We love the Bushes!

I speak for all of us.

[NurseJackie]

11. Excellent reply! (A response befitting the question.)

[NCTraveler]

26. I just checked with them all again.

Still unanimous.

[notadmblnd]

36. Hey! Someone used the word boy here in a post

Care to give them a lecture on what is sexist?

[NCTraveler]

37. No. Nt

[Sparkly]

40. LOL

[Lil Missy]

2. Are you now suggesting Hillary is responsible for what the Bush klan does?

This is absurd.

[LisaM]

7. Gotcha question much, right?

This is typical of a lot of stuff I've seen around here recently. The OP will ask what she or he frames as an innocent enough question, but of course is waiting to pounce on almost any response. They tend to seek yes or no answers to complicated questions, but the real point seems to be to lure Hillary supporters into giving an answer that can then be turned around to "but she ______, so......"

This is not much like the DU I joined back in 2001 when it was just a lot of smart, funny people banding together. There now seems to be a concerted effort to drive a wedge through the Democratic party itself.

[hamsterjill]

14. Boy, you got that right.

Yesterday, it was the concept that if someone supported Hillary, they couldn't possibly care that young men and women died in a war.

No, the DU today is NOT the same as it was back in 2001 when I lurked incessantly because I was amazed at the level of intelligent discussion, which taught me a lot about politics. I officially joined in 2004.

[LisaM]

25. Ha ha!

Yes, every day a new one. Now I'll be on the lookout!

[puffy socks]

27. A typical passive-aggressive tactic.

My personal favorite is when you post links showing Bernie has done the same thing or that what they are saying is untrue you are "posting off topic"

[LisaM]

46. Today's version is whether Hillary believes in climate change...

With a long response by the OP: "if she does, then why....."

[LonePirate]

3. Why are you implicating Hillary is an ally of Bush with respect to his policies?

What basis or evidence do you have for your position?

[IdaBriggs]

6. I've got this one --

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001." -- (more at link) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/01/12/435624/-A-golden-oldie-Hillary-s-floor-speech-to-invade-Iraq

[LonePirate]

9. One speech for one vote based on false evidence from Bush/Cheney? That's all you've got?

The vast majority of Dem senators voted for the IWR. Calling them Bush allies because of that is pure ignorance.

[IdaBriggs]

12. And yet she didn't throw a hissy fit/demand his impeachment

when she found out differently, did she?

Well, here's another one -- the "Clinton Bush Haiti Fund"

http://www.clintonbushhaitifund.org

$54M that looks like it disappeared into a vast sink hole of fraud.

Of course, that happened with most of the Haiti funds...

http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/655278.pdf

[LonePirate]

15. Perhaps being the spouse of a former impeached president she didn't think she should make that claim

[BlueStateLib]

10. Barack Obama 26 October 2002:

Barack Obama 26 October 2002: "I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity". He"s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

[IdaBriggs]

13. Yet he still voted NO on the IWR. One of the many awesome things

about him - he's smarter than Hillary!

[JackRiddler]

16. No he did not.

He was a state senator from Illinois.

[IdaBriggs]

33. You are correct/my apologies. As I have stated down thread...

He wasn't in the Senate at the time (hence he didn't vote for it) but

He was not in the U.S. senate when President Bush invaded Iraq, but as a state senator in Illinois, he expressed his vocal opposition to the war. And when he was elected in 2004, he became one of the few who voted against the surge and against expansion of the war. Later, in 2008, as a presidential candidate, he promised that if elected, he would end US involvement in Iraq. And that is exactly what he did. http://www.answers.com/Q/How_did_Barack_Obama_vote_on_the_Iraq_war

I can only plead sleep deprivation and memory confusion on this topic because I was only paying periphery attention at the time ("opposed the war" was what stuck) because of new twins.

Apologies for the confusion (but I still think he is smarter than Hillary because he figured it out from Illinois while she couldn't figure out Bush was lying from Washington).

[leftynyc]

20. No he didn't

Why lie?

[IdaBriggs]

32. I'm not - although I was apparently confused a bit.

He wasn't in the Senate at the time (hence he didn't vote for it) but

He was not in the U.S. senate when President Bush invaded Iraq, but as a state senator in Illinois, he expressed his vocal opposition to the war. And when he was elected in 2004, he became one of the few who voted against the surge and against expansion of the war. Later, in 2008, as a presidential candidate, he promised that if elected, he would end US involvement in Iraq. And that is exactly what he did. http://www.answers.com/Q/How_did_Barack_Obama_vote_on_the_Iraq_war

I can only plead sleep deprivation and memory confusion on this topic because I was only paying periphery attention at the time ("opposed the war" was what stuck) because of new twins.

Apologies for the confusion (but I still think he is smarter than Hillary because he figured it out from Illinois while she couldn't figure out Bush was lying from Washington).

[synergie]

19. So, what is this thing you've got? Proof that Bush and the cronies lied to the Senate via

the intelligence agencies?

You guys really have no clue what was going on at that time, and the actual crimes of the Bush/Cheney regime do you? No, you're obsessed with how the families get along to bother with facts.

You don't "got this one", but the lengths you will go to pretend you do is illuminating.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

29. Hillary was not told, as Bush and Cheney were, a few weeks prior to invading that

their main source of intel was lying to them.

Of course they invaded anyway because WMD was never the reason for the war in the first place.

Hillary made a mistake, she has made several, still no comparison to anybody on the other side.



Also, the relationship most politicians and rich people have with each other is a huge problem, but to single out Hillary is absurd.

Once again they want to hold up an almost impossible example and if Hillary cant live up to it then everybody can fuck off, in their minds.

[MariaThinks]

4. i do consider the bush acts to be illegal. i do not like bill palling around with them. Politics

make strange bedfellows so I do support Hillary.

[My Good Babushka]

5. The democratic party condoning the war crimes of the Bush administration was a done deal

when Obama decided not to pursue convictions. Under the Geneva Convention, failing to take action to prosecute those guilty of war crimes such as the “Crime against Peace” (invading a country that does not pose an imminent threat to the attacker), and torture, are war crimes in and of themselves. US authorities, including President Obama, are engaged in an “ongoing criminal conspiracy under international law” both to cover up and protect criminals like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, and to continue the commission of war crimes by the US government.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-biden-are-war-criminals-under-un-charter-analyst/5316112

[laserhaas]

8. Hillary is excited about "opportunities" in Iraq

But never bothers mentioning how we owe Iraqi people an apology

[synergie]

17. Do you understand how politics works? They are not allied to the Clintons, you seem to mistake

cordial personal relations between people who got together AFTER they were out of office to raise money and awareness during times of disaster with "political allies".

Would you truly prefer someone as president who didn't have basic social skills and had zero ability to talk to anyone that didn't agree with them or pass their purity tests?

You do understand why that type of person would be dangerous both in domestic policy and foreign policy, right? Or do you just enjoy utter stagnation in general, not only from the regressive GOP, but ALSO from the White House?

[randome]

22. You're on a roll.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[pat_k]

23. GWB: Bill is "brother from another mother"

http://time.com/3584031/george-bush-bill-clinton/."

That's beyond "cordial."

Seeking out situations in which you must be "cordial" to a torturer who should be standing trial at the Hague, not to mention an unlawfully elected president, is appalling.

This is not about "disagreeing." It's about having the courage of your convictions to stand up for our national soul. Either they are cowards who won't stand up for principle, or unprincipled.

[lumberjack_jeff]

47. Yes. If more people vote for the good guys, the good guys run things. It's not overly complicated.

[pat_k]

18. GWB: War Criminal and Election thief

Last edited Wed May 11, 2016, 04:11 PM - Edit history (1)

[Octafish]

41. Poppy: War Criminal and Election Thief

Seems that he and Bill Casey's chums cough Laurence Silberman met with the Iranians who were holding the hostages. Poppy later lied America into war on Iraq in 1991, like his dim son would a decade later. Swell people. In the right country club, if you get my drift..

[pat_k]

43. Yes. Kevin Phillips, "American Dynasty:...Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush"

American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush (2004)

A very revealing book on many things -- including exposing the "October surprise."

[leftynyc]

21. Do you think Bernie was

acting on behalf of the Soviet Union and supporting all their fascist, human rights violations when he honeymooned there? That he was anti-American scum for sucking up to our biggest enemy at the time? Should we accept someone with so little regard for their own country and reputation as our leader?

[randome]

24. Why, when he saw Putin, he should have spit in the man's face! That would have taught him!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[pat_k]

30. In 1988, it was Gorbachev -- a time of "Reagan-Gorbachev reprochement.

https://books.google.com/books?id=yp01AUkrE-gC&pg=PA338&lpg=PA338&dq=rapprochement+Gorbachev+1988&source=bl&ots=iIKwYgAo4X&sig=Pf4xryOh9QgU5-ioXCURj7FroDE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjKs6vT79LMAhVS32MKHSBwATQQ6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=rapprochement%20Gorbachev%201988&f=false

A time in which we had the opportunity to influence.

[pat_k]

28. Gorbachev, Reagan, and Bush in New York City, December 1988.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1981-1988/u.s.-soviet-relations

Not to mention Moscow summit of 1988

The same year Sanders went with a 12-person delegation to Yaroslavl after his marriage.

[leftynyc]

39. So what?

The point is anyone can make anything look bad and if you think Bernie is any different, you really have fallen for the bullshit.

[JoePhilly]

31. And another strawman heads off into battle!!!!!

[BootinUp]

34. The main reason I got online and then found DU

was my desire to determine if the country had gone completely insane, and to express my desire to send Dubya back to Texas in 2004.

[Sheepshank]

35. honest question? y-e-a-h sure

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511943193

[jzodda]

38. Ally?

What nonsense.

First off I didn't know you could not be friends with somebody you disagree with politically. The two families are part of the most exclusive club in the nation, the ex presidents.

Second we have hundreds of times of Clinton opposing the Bush administration on policy and before that we have many from her times as first lady. Its all out there- her entire Senate record including her war vote that she admits was a mistake. She was lied to with faulty intel and unlike Bernie she believed it.

[Octafish]

42. No kidding. Professional Colleagues.

Her Husband works with him at UBS in the "Weath Management" department.



Before UBS, they all worked together in Washington, where Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas) shepherded financial deregulation of the banks through Congress and President Bill Clinton (D-USA) signed it into law, the repeal of New Deal protections that kept Wall Street from using the taxpayers for their tab at the casino. President Bush was there, too, making sure the Banksters got away in 2008.

Forensic economist and former Fed regulator William K. Black wrote it reminds him of what happened during the Savings and Loans Crisis of the late 80s and early 90s. At the time, that was the greatest heist in history.

Lot of professional courtesy goin' on, eh?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

44. That looks like good Irish whisky in that cup.

Nice of Hill to help him stay upright.

[LaydeeBug]

45. I think you have to play the hand you're dealt, not the hand you think you should have had

or the one other think you have. Your OP suggests that HRC is an *ally* of the Bush family. Please stop.

It's insulting.