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Good Girl! Elizabeth Warren rules out any VP offers. (Original Post) notadmblnd May 2016 OP
"Good girl" ? Codeine May 2016 #1
What your problem? notadmblnd May 2016 #3
I wouldn't like either being said about a man or woman. NWCorona May 2016 #6
Well I guess you're just a better human being than I am. notadmblnd May 2016 #23
K NWCorona May 2016 #26
Glad I could make you feel better about yourself. notadmblnd May 2016 #29
And you the same. NWCorona May 2016 #30
Always trying to get the last word is the biggest sign of immaturity. Feeling the Bern May 2016 #193
You made a mistake, say you are sorry and get back on topic. Why are people so Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #112
I'm not wrong. notadmblnd May 2016 #116
Oh, man hating club eh...OK, you are not the kind of person who would be able to do what I Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #118
Aaaaand there it is. nt Codeine May 2016 #133
Yep. Right on que. Laffy Kat May 2016 #162
As a man, I say you are way wrong. The Second Stone May 2016 #173
Yeah, ok. whatever. notadmblnd May 2016 #174
How does not apologizing work for you in regular life? The Second Stone May 2016 #175
I'm good, thank you very much. notadmblnd May 2016 #176
We've all figured that you are the kind who thinks The Second Stone May 2016 #177
You say that like it's a bad thing. notadmblnd May 2016 #199
It is a bad thing. People who do not apologize when they are wrong, like Trump, The Second Stone May 2016 #210
You think comparing me to Trump will offend me? notadmblnd May 2016 #211
I'm not superior, I just do not get into a political discussion on a liberal The Second Stone May 2016 #212
Well aren't you just the prim and proper one? notadmblnd May 2016 #213
I'm not moving along any more than you are The Second Stone May 2016 #214
Sure you do, just read your last sentence. notadmblnd May 2016 #242
Aww, the wude bro is wude The Second Stone May 2016 #246
Yes you are, and you're also not a good boy. nt BreakfastClub May 2016 #198
No, I'm not wrong. But you're right I'm not a good boy. notadmblnd May 2016 #200
here whistler162 May 2016 #224
another that goes along to get along notadmblnd May 2016 #226
The man-hating club? liberalnarb May 2016 #231
Oh, please. Warren's a powerful Senator; and becoming VP, Hortensis May 2016 #27
I think Big Money and Clinton will double team Warren Armstead May 2016 #32
This ^ Attorney in Texas May 2016 #39
Of course you do. You are consistent Hortensis May 2016 #52
Yep...Because the problems don't change weekly Armstead May 2016 #144
Armstead, it was always obvious to me that, Hortensis May 2016 #166
You know nothing about me and don't presume... Armstead May 2016 #181
Did you forget Lazy Daisy May 2016 #145
What does that even mean? Double team her to do what? Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #114
They will surely try but I think the wind has shifted emsimon33 May 2016 #139
You wouldn't have said "good boy." cwydro May 2016 #7
Or a dog. bunnies May 2016 #11
I think you need to take a good long look at yourself notadmblnd May 2016 #22
WTF is that supposed to mean? demmiblue May 2016 #41
Why is that? bunnies May 2016 #78
That's what I wrote below. "Good Girl" is what I used to say to my dog. (eom) StevieM May 2016 #218
Yeah, I might have actually said Atta Boy! notadmblnd May 2016 #13
I'll second that passiveporcupine May 2016 #168
I imagine these same people confront no one in the real world notadmblnd May 2016 #170
Nobody puts Baby in the corner! Yurovsky May 2016 #10
I'm just awful, arent I? notadmblnd May 2016 #14
Bad Boy :) jack_krass May 2016 #40
^^^ this!!! ;-). * Yurovsky May 2016 #62
You would never have said "good boy." Codeine May 2016 #19
I might have said "Atta boy" jack_krass May 2016 #66
I think you hit on it. It's the combination. SusanCalvin May 2016 #205
Go start an op calling Obama a "good boy." NCTraveler May 2016 #48
My son is a grown man. I still say "good boy" to him and his friends notadmblnd May 2016 #55
I'm not bullying you in any way. NCTraveler May 2016 #58
that sort of jumped out at me as well dlwickham May 2016 #92
You're a troll provoking people. Pisces May 2016 #72
Yeah I've been trolling here for 13 or 14 years now. notadmblnd May 2016 #80
It's the favorite group in your profile, that's bringing the heat. nt Snotcicles May 2016 #107
Perhaps that how the people in whatever group you're referring to work synergie May 2016 #113
No, it just what you want to bitch about today notadmblnd May 2016 #172
This is par for the course for misogynisits, who seem to enjoy being misogynisti. synergie May 2016 #185
You realize the poster was referencing Monty Python and the Holy Grail Feeling the Bern May 2016 #194
Jury Results: I'm Juror #6 Feeling the Bern May 2016 #192
Some of these people amaze me with their fake outrage over petty crap. notadmblnd May 2016 #197
That's because words are more hurtful than actions Feeling the Bern May 2016 #204
Yep. I know what they're about. notadmblnd May 2016 #171
And you make it very clear what it is you're about. synergie May 2016 #186
Haven't denied it. Even admitted it notadmblnd May 2016 #187
At least you own your misogyny, and your trolling. synergie May 2016 #189
hehe. notadmblnd May 2016 #191
You're crazy patronizing? anigbrowl May 2016 #99
And you disparage the mentally ill by calling me crazy notadmblnd May 2016 #103
Not in the slightest anigbrowl May 2016 #104
Oh, so you don't really mean that I'm crazy? notadmblnd May 2016 #111
No, I'm saying that your patronizing attitude is absurd to the point of craziness anigbrowl May 2016 #119
No, you have the perception- because of your own insecurities- that refering to someone as a notadmblnd May 2016 #121
Um actually, you did that. People with diagnosed psychiatric illness are not crazy, synergie May 2016 #120
Right, I defined the word "crazy" notadmblnd May 2016 #123
She didn't make the link to mental illness, you did. synergie May 2016 #134
You're the one spinning notadmblnd May 2016 #150
Sadly, no I'm not. That's you projecting again. synergie May 2016 #188
Ha notadmblnd May 2016 #190
Generational thing and elehhhhna May 2016 #108
When did we all get so damn insecure? notadmblnd May 2016 #164
Politicians have been known to change their minds MFM008 May 2016 #153
I don't think she will change her mind. notadmblnd May 2016 #155
!!! MrMickeysMom May 2016 #206
Agreed. That phrasing is curious, if not condescending. LonePirate May 2016 #5
Condescending... JSup May 2016 #67
That is what it means to you? notadmblnd May 2016 #83
Go say that to 10 adults... JSup May 2016 #88
I've said it many times to women notadmblnd May 2016 #95
I suspect a "You go, girl" would not have raised an eyebrow. Ahh, so close and yet so far... dinkytron May 2016 #21
Yeah, that one made me cringe. procon May 2016 #60
No kidding... Wow. Agschmid May 2016 #157
And we love her in that job. We need her. jwirr May 2016 #2
Excellent. She's so very needed in the Senate. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #4
Glad to hear her say that. DookDook May 2016 #8
It would definately stiffle Elizabeth Warren's talents notadmblnd May 2016 #12
I first became aware of her when she wrote 'The Two Income Trap' DookDook May 2016 #25
DookDook—The Democrats keep propping the Third Way Ds. CobaltBlue May 2016 #220
And with Warren's credibility problem... scscholar May 2016 #73
Warren is not the one with the credibility problem Art_from_Ark May 2016 #124
Only Trump fans and non-progressives believe Warren has a "credibility problem" arcane1 May 2016 #130
what credibility problem? rbrnmw May 2016 #208
sscholar—Please explain. CobaltBlue May 2016 #221
"Harvard Law School hired its first woman of color, Elizabeth Warren, in 1995." scscholar May 2016 #234
Clinton would never offer. Bernie should not. JackRiddler May 2016 #9
The dance begins again! yallerdawg May 2016 #15
Why would she risk angering/ embarrassing a powerful, vindictive politician? senz May 2016 #24
Well, she's "refused" to endorse Bernie too. kstewart33 May 2016 #33
She bucked immense peer pressure by not endorsing Hillary. senz May 2016 #50
Let's agree to disagree on this. kstewart33 May 2016 #69
Okay, but I do get to answer your LONG comment... senz May 2016 #98
Whoa there. kstewart33 May 2016 #207
"Risk angering/embarrassing a powerful, vindictive politician?" yallerdawg May 2016 #42
You're not aware of Hillary's hit list? senz May 2016 #57
Is that the interview the OP is talking about? EW clearly did not rule anything out. thesquanderer May 2016 #63
That's it! yallerdawg May 2016 #65
Vice President is a powerless and ineffectual office. senz May 2016 #16
Yes, I know she also notadmblnd May 2016 #17
Why would she want to be second fiddle Mnpaul May 2016 #156
Liz 2020 Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #18
That's a nice possibility. If Hillary doesn't taint the whole pool by silvershadow May 2016 #47
I am sure you will be expressing the same concern about President Hillary Clinton StevieM May 2016 #93
just an fyi- Elizabeth Warren looks great for her age which is currently 66 Karma13612 May 2016 #136
Sanders' age has nothing at all to do with why I am not supporting him. StevieM May 2016 #142
I was thinking that Warren 2024 would be better for all of us. StevieM May 2016 #89
"Good girl" ? My goodness, how fucking patronizing Tarc May 2016 #20
Depends on who's saying it and how they mean it. senz May 2016 #31
She's a sitting senator, it's insulting and demeaning. synergie May 2016 #79
I think it's informal approval & your pose is stuffy and inflated. senz May 2016 #100
Nope. You're incorrect, your own post confirms you understand that this is not a synergie May 2016 #106
Wait a minute. senz May 2016 #117
Ah, so you literally believe that you have a market for you bottled umbrage? synergie May 2016 #125
Come on now. That's not a "no." kstewart33 May 2016 #28
She's keeping herself covered, as she should. Prudent thing to do. senz May 2016 #34
Yep. nt kstewart33 May 2016 #36
FFS... Good Girl?! Totally tone deaf. demmiblue May 2016 #35
I'm not going to be bullied by the so called "feminists" here notadmblnd May 2016 #44
Good Girl! n/t JimDandy May 2016 #68
.... notadmblnd May 2016 #70
Those mean old feminists! Codeine May 2016 #138
You are too. notadmblnd May 2016 #146
Bullied? chervilant May 2016 #235
Bullied, shamed, pressure. What ever you want to call it. notadmblnd May 2016 #237
SMDH... chervilant May 2016 #236
Thanks for the heads-up, notadmblnd! Octafish May 2016 #37
Thanks for your words notadmblnd May 2016 #49
"Good Girl!" -- WTF? Arugula Latte May 2016 #38
No kidding. Is Warren a 4-year-old? apnu May 2016 #46
You must be one of those so called "feminists"! demmiblue May 2016 #74
Silly idea anyway whatthehey May 2016 #43
Well if Clinton actually wins the nom, there is one thing Clinton might need from Senator Warren notadmblnd May 2016 #202
That would surely be a trivial number though whatthehey May 2016 #209
Sad panda :( apnu May 2016 #45
Many of us have been saying this. NCTraveler May 2016 #51
Lve Liz, Love Bernie! The rest ehh coffeeAM May 2016 #53
Excellent, I love her IN that job!!! Keep it up!!! arcane1 May 2016 #54
It wasn't a viable option anyway. Beacool May 2016 #56
I have given quite a bit of thought as to who Hillary might choose to be her running-mate. StevieM May 2016 #97
I don't know Xavier Becerra, I'll look him up. Beacool May 2016 #180
Becerra just gave an interview to Lawrence O'Donnell. StevieM May 2016 #217
Thanks for the heads up. Beacool May 2016 #238
Here is the link to his interview on youtube. StevieM May 2016 #239
Thank you. Beacool May 2016 #241
She didn't rule anything out ... salinsky May 2016 #59
Bingo! tonyt53 May 2016 #76
"Good girl"? KingFlorez May 2016 #61
Me too. SMH at the pretentiousness of some people here. notadmblnd May 2016 #64
Perhaps, now that you realize how this sounds, you just edit the title? synergie May 2016 #81
I'm surprised he hasn't done so. cwydro May 2016 #82
Yes very telling. I'm just another sexist man. notadmblnd May 2016 #90
Your belligerance and the dramatics you're engaging in do speak volumes. synergie May 2016 #122
The dramatics is comming from people like you notadmblnd May 2016 #126
No, the tantrums are all yours. synergie May 2016 #128
No, you people are not going to shame or bully me into changing anything. notadmblnd May 2016 #85
Because those are things you prefer to do to women by calling them girls? synergie May 2016 #129
Bully you. Make the woman a child in the finest of Patriarchal way, and tell us we are bullying you. seabeyond May 2016 #135
Big ol' meanies. Codeine May 2016 #143
You are funny. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #147
Normally, when a person is informed that a turn of phrase they THINK is innocent Codeine May 2016 #141
Good that you are such a wise one. notadmblnd May 2016 #148
Ignorance is bliss KingFlorez May 2016 #160
She is first rate.... Stellar May 2016 #71
Thank you, notadmblnd! farleftlib May 2016 #75
Thanks. notadmblnd May 2016 #77
WOW, here is a good lady who has worked hard, advocated for consumer issues for us and then Thinkingabout May 2016 #84
where is it written that the word "girl" is a disparaging term? notadmblnd May 2016 #86
It was a combination of words, girl is not disparaging but combine with other words is disparaging. Thinkingabout May 2016 #101
In your mind. notadmblnd May 2016 #105
Why disparage others? Thinkingabout May 2016 #109
You're calling an grown, accomplished woman, a sitting senator, a "girl" and you're confused synergie May 2016 #110
Well that's the gospel then, right? notadmblnd May 2016 #115
I have no idea what your religious texts say about not taking personal responsibility synergie May 2016 #127
By the title alone, I felt very contrite, sitting with hands on lap and getting a pat on the head. seabeyond May 2016 #131
No milkbone or a lollipop? :-p synergie May 2016 #137
Lol, as I lower my eyes, raise my hand over smile, do a quiet, lady like laugh..... Ah ha. Hey.... seabeyond May 2016 #140
When applied to an adult woman, it certainly is. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #178
according to what authority? notadmblnd May 2016 #179
According to this adult woman with clear memories of the 50s and 60s. Boy. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #182
Well this adult woman with clear memories of the 50's and 60's disagrees notadmblnd May 2016 #183
Works for me. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #184
She's too damned important in teh Senate Ferd Berfel May 2016 #87
girl? dlwickham May 2016 #91
Broke my heart hrsummers May 2016 #94
We need more people like her- Is "her" an ok word to use? Anyone offended? notadmblnd May 2016 #96
oh, I dunno, gonna just throw this out there. Woman? Would woman work. Good woman, !!! You did seabeyond May 2016 #132
good girl? Did you pat her on the head as you said it? seabeyond May 2016 #102
I thought the same thing. This is what I used to say to my dog. StevieM May 2016 #167
"Good Girl" WTF?!?! Would you then say Sherrod is a "Bad Boy" if he does the same??? RiverLover May 2016 #149
It's just today's outrage du jour notadmblnd May 2016 #151
This will get me a hide. Don't care. RiverLover May 2016 #152
I won't alert. I'm a big girl, I can take it. notadmblnd May 2016 #154
I don't believe for a second that you are female. Of any age. RiverLover May 2016 #158
Matters not to me what you think. notadmblnd May 2016 #161
HE is not a female. HE said this just upthread: bunnies May 2016 #229
No she did not rule it out Andy823 May 2016 #159
She is using the same sort of language she used when she was being encouraged notadmblnd May 2016 #165
"Good Girl"? There it is. nt LexVegas May 2016 #163
Elizabeth Warren is not a "girl." MineralMan May 2016 #169
She did not I heard the entire thing Demsrule86 May 2016 #195
Everyone makes mistakes, but it's important to not keep digging. ecstatic May 2016 #196
Thank you for this. grossproffit May 2016 #223
"Good Girl"? mwrguy May 2016 #201
Matters not to me what you call me. notadmblnd May 2016 #203
"Good girl" is what I say to my dog. zappaman May 2016 #215
You're welcome. Thanks for your .2 cents notadmblnd May 2016 #216
Actually, this is something serious. I'm sorry that you fail to understand that. grossproffit May 2016 #222
gender stereotypes? jcgoldie May 2016 #225
Yeah, yeah, real serious notadmblnd May 2016 #245
I just wrote the same thing above. StevieM May 2016 #219
She didn't rule anything out and you took that quote out of context. book_worm May 2016 #227
I'm not taking anything back notadmblnd May 2016 #228
thanks for taking their hypocrisy like an American reddread May 2016 #244
"Good girl." ? liberalnarb May 2016 #230
Lol, is she a dog? Stupid phrase. Nt Logical May 2016 #232
baa baa baaa notadmblnd May 2016 #233
better than calling someone stupid. Nt reddread May 2016 #243
She did not rule it out Demsrule86 May 2016 #240
What were the Jury Results? Reter May 2016 #247
It's still here notadmblnd May 2016 #248
She did not Demsrule86 May 2016 #249

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
3. What your problem?
Wed May 11, 2016, 03:47 PM
May 2016

Gonna say I'm sexist cause I gave her an atta girl? Would your butt be as twisted if I were talking about a male and said Good boy?

Get over it.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
112. You made a mistake, say you are sorry and get back on topic. Why are people so
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:09 PM
May 2016

butt hurt to admit when they are wrong?

I dont know you and I am not picking on you, imagine how much easier today would be for you if you just said

"bad choice of words, sorry"

Seriously.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
116. I'm not wrong.
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

And I'm not going to change it. I am sick and tired of the man hating club here and I'm not about to kow tow the their damn petty demands.

If what I wrote is so damn horrible and offensive- alert on it. The other option you and every other person who is soooo damn offended by it- can just put my sexist ass on ignore.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
118. Oh, man hating club eh...OK, you are not the kind of person who would be able to do what I
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:15 PM
May 2016

suggested in the first place.

Never mind.

And you are right, you did not make a mistake, you meant to be dismissive and insulting to women.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
176. I'm good, thank you very much.
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:23 PM
May 2016

I have no one to apologize to for anything. My conscience is clean. I owe no one. No problems sleeping, quit smoking a couple years ago. Health issues in check. Knees ache on rainy days, but I guess that has to be expected at my age. Other than that I can't complain. How about you?

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
210. It is a bad thing. People who do not apologize when they are wrong, like Trump,
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:05 PM
May 2016

are bulls in the China shop of civilization.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
211. You think comparing me to Trump will offend me?
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:20 PM
May 2016

You're funny. I don't live my life kow towing to peer pressure from those who express fake outrage on an anonymous discussion board.

So go ahead, if it makes you feel like you are superior- make some more comparisons to others you perceive to be despicable human beings because I'm certain giving Senator Warren an atta girl is just the most horrible fucking insult one woman can give another.

Oh, and if you see Senator Warren, please tell her about this horribly offensive post here. I'm sure she'll be so hurt that she'll want to personally express her hurt over it with me.

Better yet, Why don't you follow another of DU's fine upstanding, superior examples of humanism and call me a low life loser and send a big fuck you -to me too?

That ought to make you feel nice and smug and allow closure for the terrible hurt you have suffered on behalf of Senator Elizabeth Warren and all women through out the world.

You have a nice day now.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
212. I'm not superior, I just do not get into a political discussion on a liberal
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:24 PM
May 2016

forum and call women "girls" because I have manners. People like Trump are narcissists and don't ever apologize. Clearly you are not Trump, but you are a narcissist. It's not curable, so it can't be fixed, but you might try to hide it better by not offending in the first place, or at least offer a small, if insincere apology. "Girls" was not your big tell here. That was a context error, and while offensive, would have been forgiven if you hadn't gone on justifying it and bragging about how you never apologize. Try harder to pass as a human.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
213. Well aren't you just the prim and proper one?
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:35 PM
May 2016

Maybe you should contact Ms Manners and have her give me a chewing out over it?

I didn't offend you. You're just following the Hillary crowd like a good little lamb as you perceive it as the popular thing to do.

Oh and this narcissist diagnosis you've come up with for me? Is that your professional opinion? Do I owe a co-pay.

And no, If your definition of being human includes being a judgmental PC cop and expressing fake outrage on the internet so as to have the approval of other judgemental PC cops on the internet. I'll opt to be what ever it is you and your ilk perceive me to be.

Now move along, you've done your duty to your peers. Remember, have a nice day.



notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
242. Sure you do, just read your last sentence.
Sun May 15, 2016, 11:08 AM
May 2016

You know, there was a very infamous man that looked at others as sub human. He convinced an entire nation that certain people were sub human too. I suppose it was because it made it easier to murder 6 million of them.


I just love it when the self righteous, superior humans here lecture me on what they perceive as my sins- all the while giving no thought to their own.

Yeah, right. Those manners you posses makes you so much more human than me.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
246. Aww, the wude bro is wude
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:50 PM
May 2016

you need a lecture. You don't call grown women "girls". Particularly at a forum for feminists. You are pretty pushed out of shape on being called on it and not apologizing. And you know, I'm just as big a jerk as you (but at least I don't call women "girls" on a political forum). We've been doing this almost a week now. I know I can keep it up for at least a year. Either apologize or slink away or keep it up. Any way you slice it, I'm not leaving it alone either.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. Oh, please. Warren's a powerful Senator; and becoming VP,
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:13 PM
May 2016

i.e., joining the Executive Branch team, would preclude double-teaming the financial industry from both the White House and Senate. I would only have been surprised if she'd actually considered becoming VP (briefly--assuming as always that it proves all over again that I don't know most things).

Btw, we don't want this. It's not in our interest to chop the balls of the very redoubtable and dangerous Senator Warren.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
32. I think Big Money and Clinton will double team Warren
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:16 PM
May 2016

hang her out to dry, as was done when she challenged the TPP.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
144. Yep...Because the problems don't change weekly
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:45 PM
May 2016

I do have a life and think about otehr things too. But since this is a political message board....

Yeah, unfortunately, I started noticing the darker side of DLC/Clintonism in the 90's. Despite hopes for an evolution away from that, it is still a prevailing force in the Democratic Party.....

I'm not alone in that dissatisfaction , as at least 40 percent of the vote for Sanders indicates.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
166. Armstead, it was always obvious to me that,
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:34 PM
May 2016

like so many here, you mined the web for ammunition to use against Hillary, ignoring anything that didn't fit your picture. I can't say I respect more the kind of person who screams cluelessly "HILLARY LIED!" without being aware of anything but her own misdirected rage, but why should anyone respect better dressed-up versions any better?

In all those years, when did you examine the records of all the people you voted for to make SURE they didn't fall to Hillary's incredibly low standards? My guess is never, of course. Why would you? Honor and character are not exactly the real point, right?

When in all those years did you examine the records of literally hundreds of other state and federal congressmen and senators, cabinet officers, etc., to make sure you weren't letting them get away with anything you held against Hillary Clinton? My guess is never, of course. Why would you? Honor and character are not exactly the real point, right?

You obviously spend a lot of time copying text and writing out lengthy justifications, when it seems to me that you could just add "HILLARY LIED!!!!!" to your autocorrect, click it in post after post, and go clean out your drain traps or something else far more worthy.

Finally, if you don't care for my opinions of what I believe to be incredibly immoral and dishonorable behavior, don't respond to my posts to others, which you keep doing. You used up my tolerance and destroyed my hope that there might be some common point where we could meet a long time ago. I'm not fooled by the verbiage you pad your standard "BUT, HILLARY LIES!!!!" messages with.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
181. You know nothing about me and don't presume...
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:45 PM
May 2016

I'm not going to go into all the whys and wherefores, but your assessment is totally off base.

Contrary to your assumption, my opinion of Clinton is not the result of knee jerk oppo research..... I read and follow events in general, even when there is not election going on......Yes, like everyone here, i do my share of specific googling and cut and paste here because it's a primary...

.But my overall opinion of her has been formed over the years through the normal following of events....And it's not necessarily personal. It's what she represents and the brand of politics and governing that I object to.

My frustrations are the result of years of experience. Like many people, I kicked back and breathed an initial sight of relief whenever Democrats won in the swings between Dem and GOP power in the WH and Congress over the years, .....But stuff kept happening that made that relief short lived. The prevailing Democrats either caved in to the GOP, or actively promoted things that were not in alignment with (IMO) the best interest of the majority and too favorable with corporate and Wall st.wishes.

Some of those were high-profile...others were done more quietly under the radar. The Clintons and DLC party establishment created that situation, and they have perpetuated it. I believe it's time to turn the page from that.

I'm just another schmuck on a message board. But me -- and the millions of people who share my views -- are not going to just roll over and play dead, and quietly accept what we believe is wrong.

I will spare you from further interactions however. And if you find me that reprehensible, there's always the Ignore list.

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
145. Did you forget
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:48 PM
May 2016

DWS and predatory lending? Elizabeth Warrens consumer protection agency.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz Just Joined Republicans to Declare War on Elizabeth Warren


http://usuncut.com/news/debbie-wasserman-schultz-just-declared-war-on-elizabeth-warren/

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
13. Yeah, I might have actually said Atta Boy!
Wed May 11, 2016, 03:55 PM
May 2016

I think at some point people who look to cry sexist behind everything that is said/written- should at some point reflect on their own attitudes and ask themselves who the real sexist is.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
168. I'll second that
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

I'm getting pretty sick of the constants sexist smears around here.

We need a special language that has banned about 1/4 of our words, these days, just to make sure we don't offend someone accidentally.

this place is getting ridiculous.

I knew you meant it as praise, not to belittle her. And anyone trying to read it that way, is really trying too damned hard.

When you are a woman and you say "good girl" to another woman whom you admire, it's because you are part of the "girl's club".

If a man had said it, it would have sounded a bit strange, and in most cases it probably would have been condescending.

Some people need to get a grip. Unwad their panties. Oh noes...I said panties.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
170. I imagine these same people confront no one in the real world
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:47 PM
May 2016

here they hide behind their internet persona, pretending they're offended.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
10. Nobody puts Baby in the corner!
Wed May 11, 2016, 03:50 PM
May 2016

you've been very very naughty, sexist & misogynist!

Give yourself a spanking and a time out!

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
19. You would never have said "good boy."
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:04 PM
May 2016

It would never have occurred to you to say that about a man. That, by definition, makes it a bit of sexist phraseology.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
205. I think you hit on it. It's the combination.
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:46 AM
May 2016

Call me picky, but I do see a difference between "Good girl/boy" and "Atta girl/boy." Although all I'd probably do IRL is roll my eyes, to comment on another reply I just skimmed. (And make a mental note regarding the person issuing the "good girl.&quot

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
55. My son is a grown man. I still say "good boy" to him and his friends
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:29 PM
May 2016

Guess what? Many of his friends are black and so was his father. When his father was alive I'm certain I said it to him too.

As I said up thread at some point people who look to cry sexism in everything that is said/written, they should reflect on themselves and ask who the real sexist is? I feel the same about people who cry racism.

As I said. I'm not going to be bullied by you or anyone else here. So go hijack somebody else thread f you have nothing further to contribute.

Now I'm done with you. Have a good evening.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
58. I'm not bullying you in any way.
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:32 PM
May 2016

They are you words.

"Guess what, many of his friends are black."

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
80. Yeah I've been trolling here for 13 or 14 years now.
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:22 PM
May 2016

That's known as staying power- so I must be pretty good.

You have a good one now.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
113. Perhaps that how the people in whatever group you're referring to work
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:10 PM
May 2016

some of us don't bother to check on that, rather we pay attention to the content.

This is a disparaging term to use for a sitting Senator and a fully grown woman. No matter what group you frequent, that shouldn't be that tough to figure out.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
172. No, it just what you want to bitch about today
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:52 PM
May 2016

OMG. She said bitch. Burn Her! Burn the witch who uses the word bitch!

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
185. This is par for the course for misogynisits, who seem to enjoy being misogynisti.
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:12 PM
May 2016

Also, you seem to be a Bernie supporter, since this level of querulousness and misogyny and "berning" women is very familiar.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
194. You realize the poster was referencing Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:59 PM
May 2016

But most humorless liberals tend to not understand that.

Love me, love me, love me. . .I'm a liberal!

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
192. Jury Results: I'm Juror #6
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:40 PM
May 2016

On Wed May 11, 2016, 10:10 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

No, it just what you want to bitch about today
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1944998

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This poster is getting ruder and more OTT, hide this disruptive nonsense.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed May 11, 2016, 10:18 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: notadmbind got impatient with some rather sanctimonious PC police, but exhibited admirable restraint. I would have had a MUCH stronger reaction.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Word police. Sensitivity police.

I love the Monty Python reference! And the tongue in cheek attitude of this poster!

Alerter: Lighten up, Francis!
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
197. Some of these people amaze me with their fake outrage over petty crap.
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:16 AM
May 2016

Yet will support with all their hearts unethical, immoral behavior.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
204. That's because words are more hurtful than actions
Thu May 12, 2016, 03:04 AM
May 2016

Someone will get butthurt with words.

Actions are forgettable. Remember the 28th amendment: No words shall be stated, written, read or even implied to offend danty liberals, aloof conservatives and anyone who might get their knickers in a twist.

Sometimes, I really believe people need to open up a big can of "grow up, sunshine." I will not censor myself to give your idiocy and ego boost.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
187. Haven't denied it. Even admitted it
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:16 PM
May 2016

What's your point? Or is it you just need to to have the last word?

That's fine with me too.

Please, help yourself to the last word.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
189. At least you own your misogyny, and your trolling.
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:29 PM
May 2016

No, I don't need the last word, feel free to rant on as you've been doing to prove how silly you are when faced with dumb word choices you've decided to embrace.

Please, take the last word, it seems to have been terribly important for you over the past few hours that you've dragged on these dramatic tantrums. Why deny yourself one more?

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
99. You're crazy patronizing?
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:54 PM
May 2016

And yeah I would think the same thing about 'good boy'. Get over yourself.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
103. And you disparage the mentally ill by calling me crazy
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:00 PM
May 2016

As if suffering from mental illness is something to be ashamed of.

See how easy it is? Do we really want to nit pick over every damn word that someone can find to be offended about? Don't you think there are bigger issues to fight when it comes to women? Your comment really isn't much different from my alleged sexism, is it? Just go along with the rest of the flock. It's fun being a sheep.

I am over my self. I'm also over my insecurities. Are you?

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
104. Not in the slightest
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:04 PM
May 2016

Now if I was calling a mentally ill person crazy, I would be disparaging them. Althought being mentally ill myself and having been called crazy, it doesn't actually bother me that much.

A for effort though.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
111. Oh, so you don't really mean that I'm crazy?
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:09 PM
May 2016

So why did you say it then? How do you know that I don't suffer from some sort of mental illness? And if you do mean that I am mentally ill, is that your professional opinion?

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
119. No, I'm saying that your patronizing attitude is absurd to the point of craziness
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:15 PM
May 2016

I don't care if you suffer from some sort of mental illness, you're still an obnoxious ass.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
121. No, you have the perception- because of your own insecurities- that refering to someone as a
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:18 PM
May 2016

good girl is disparaging. It is not my perception.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
120. Um actually, you did that. People with diagnosed psychiatric illness are not crazy,
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

but you chose to associate that disparaging term with that population, didn't you?

Yeah, you seem to be on a roll with saying offensive things and digging in your heels on your actions.

Why are you just making your error even worse by prolonging it and then making further disparaging remarks?

See, it's when you choose not to confront casual sexism (or bigotry against psych patients) that you fail to take a stand or action against the "issues" that need to be fought.

The posters comment didn't disparage anyone, YOU took it to the disparaging level by insisting that the word "crazy" must be about the mentally ill, that's more casual bigotry, like you casual use of a sexist disparagement.

No one care how much you enjoy being a sheep, we're just asking you to stop with the casual denigration, you seem to be getting rather aggressive and angry, and don't seem to be over your insecurities, in fact you seem to be wearing them as a badge of honor and trying attack others with them.

Perhaps you could try apologizing or just editing your poorly thought out posts and titles, you're in the wrong here, and you're making it worse by being all belligerent when your mistake was pointed out.

Just correct it and move on. You can even baa if you that's how you roll.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
123. Right, I defined the word "crazy"
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016
cra·zy
ˈkrāzē/
informal
adjective
adjective: crazy; comparative adjective: crazier; superlative adjective: craziest

1.
mentally deranged, especially as manifested in a wild or aggressive way.
"Stella went crazy and assaulted a visitor"
synonyms: mad, insane, out of one's mind, deranged, demented, not in one's right mind, crazed, lunatic, non compos mentis, unhinged, mad as a hatter, mad as a March hare; More
informalmental, nutty, nutty as a fruitcake, off one's rocker, not right in the head, round/around the bend, raving mad, batty, bonkers, cuckoo, loopy, ditzy, loony, bananas, loco, with a screw loose, touched, gaga, not all there, out to lunch, crackers, nutso, out of one's tree, wacko, gonzo;
vulgar slangbatshit
"he was acting like a crazy person"
antonyms: sane
extremely annoyed or angry.
"the noise they made was driving me crazy"
foolish.
"it was crazy to hope that good might come out of this mess"
synonyms: stupid, foolish, idiotic, silly, absurd, ridiculous, ludicrous, preposterous, farcical, laughable, risible, nonsensical, imbecilic, harebrained, cockamamie, half-baked, impracticable, unworkable, ill-conceived, senseless; More
informalcockeyed, daft, kooky
"Andrea had a crazy idea"
antonyms: sensible
2.
extremely enthusiastic.
"I'm crazy about Cindy"
synonyms: passionate about, (very) keen on, enamored of, infatuated with, smitten with, devoted to; More
(very) enthusiastic about, fanatical about;
informalwild about, mad about, nuts about, hog-wild about, gone on
"he's crazy about her"
antonyms: indifferent, apathetic
3.
(of an angle) appearing absurdly out of place or in an unlikely position.
"the monument leaned at a crazy angle"
archaic
(of a ship or building) full of cracks or flaws; unsound or shaky.

adverbNorth American
adverb: crazy

1.
extremely.
"I've been crazy busy"

nounNorth American
noun: crazy; plural noun: crazies

1.
a mentally deranged person.


Spin it however you like.
 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
134. She didn't make the link to mental illness, you did.
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:34 PM
May 2016

Note how none of those definitions you pasted without reading refer to mental illness. One does not have to be mentally ill to be deranged, that's a rather bigoted link you made there as you tried to accuse the person whose words you chose to misunderstand.

The disparagement is what you're doing, this was the second example.

Spin it however you wish, but you were wrong on both counts here. Why are you so defamatory about mental illness? I gave your patronizing condescension to women the benefit of the doubt, but your posts and your desperate attempts to spin show that was a mistake.

Do stop digging yourself further and further and learn your words.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
150. You're the one spinning
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:59 PM
May 2016
You spin me right round, baby
Right round like a record, baby
Right round round round
You spin me right round, baby
Right round like a record, baby
Right round round round

Read more: Dead Or Alive - You Spin Me Round (like A Record) Lyrics | MetroLyrics


Oh noes, lyrics using the word "baby" for a grown women. How demeaning! Must be offended. Call out the man haters to attack!

See how damn silly it all is? When you put a stop to all that, you can come back and maybe, just maybe, I'll buy your pretentious arguement.


 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
188. Sadly, no I'm not. That's you projecting again.
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:27 PM
May 2016

But you just keep spinning there buddy. It will keep the reality of how Trump-like you're being at bay, and we know how darned silly you are that you are simply unable to act like an adult here.

I agree you're pretty ridiculous, but seemingly so dizzy from all your spinning your foot stomping that you're not quite getting just who is being all pretentious here.

You just keep denying reality and spouting your short-fingered vulgarianisms and perhaps we'll all stop laughing at how ridiculously OUTRAGED you've gotten and how your coherence seems to be sinking with the maturity level you're exhibiting.

When you grow up a bit, perhaps you can figure out why women aren't laughing at what you've been doing, and why you're a part of the problem. Have fun Trumping about, it's all fun and games til all that spinning makes you hurl.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
108. Generational thing and
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:06 PM
May 2016

Try "Good boy! Obama does something etc.!"




See? Weird. Time to retire "girl" when discussing any woman who isn't Carol Channung. Or Charo.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
164. When did we all get so damn insecure?
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:25 PM
May 2016

you know, after being set upon here by folks and their faux outrage, I went to another thread where someone began their statement by using the word "boy". It just so happened that one of the people who felt compelled to shame me - I saw also posted in that thread- didn't give a second thought to the person using the word "boy." When I inquired to why there was no confrontation as to that posters "sexism", I got crickets.

Now that, I found weird especially since the poster who used the word boy in their statement, was making the comment to a female.

Yep, just checked the post. Not a word said. Guess I'm just not popular enough to get a pass

MFM008

(19,764 posts)
153. Politicians have been known to change their minds
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:06 PM
May 2016

frequently. constantly.
I would remind you that Mr. Sanders has NOT ruled out the VP slot.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
155. I don't think she will change her mind.
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:09 PM
May 2016

But if she did, she would only do it for Sanders. However, I think they'll get more accomplished with her in the Senate and him in the oval office.

JSup

(740 posts)
67. Condescending...
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:57 PM
May 2016

...and patronizing. Even if it's not intended to be sexist, it's belittling.

"Good <gender>" is something we say when someone does something we can do easily that they have trouble doing because they're young, 'special' or are a dog.

JSup

(740 posts)
88. Go say that to 10 adults...
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:33 PM
May 2016

...and see if they look at you funny.

I only said it to one; and got called "condescending and patronizing".

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
95. I've said it many times to women
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:37 PM
May 2016

my team mates when they bowl exceptional games is just one example. It's praise. I've never been offended at being referred to as a "girl" and I think those that are- need to do some self reflecting.

dinkytron

(568 posts)
21. I suspect a "You go, girl" would not have raised an eyebrow. Ahh, so close and yet so far...
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:06 PM
May 2016

Funny, but I think it is actually the word "good" that makes the term incendiary. I

procon

(15,805 posts)
60. Yeah, that one made me cringe.
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:33 PM
May 2016

Women are not "girls". Warren is an adult woman in her 60s, she worked hard to get where she is and she's earned the respect that goes along with her accomplishments. It's the 21st century, and there’s a simple way to test whether your words will be perceived -- intentional or not -- as demeaning or sexist, just apply the corresponding word to a man and see if it still seems appropriate. No one -- Republicans don't count -- would refer to Obama as a "good boy", so lets stop calling women "girls" because it's going to be taken as either patronising or sexually suggestive.

DookDook

(166 posts)
8. Glad to hear her say that.
Wed May 11, 2016, 03:49 PM
May 2016

I hope that this will end all the speculation of her being on some sort of list that Secretary Clinton is coming up with for VP picks. I really don't know why anyone would think that they would make a good team, it would be like yoking two horses together in opposite directions.

DookDook

(166 posts)
25. I first became aware of her when she wrote 'The Two Income Trap'
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:11 PM
May 2016

and a podcast that I followed was talking about economics and the host mentioned that her youtube video was worth watching.

I want her to continue on in the Senate and I hope that we can get some more of the third-wayers out of the way and she can finally start drafting banking/finance regulations with teeth.

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
220. DookDook—The Democrats keep propping the Third Way Ds.
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:50 AM
May 2016

Refer to U.S. Senate nominations in Maryland, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

Perhaps more to come in Florida.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
124. Warren is not the one with the credibility problem
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016

You're thinking of the other horse, the one who is being investigated by the FBI.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
130. Only Trump fans and non-progressives believe Warren has a "credibility problem"
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:29 PM
May 2016

Congratulations on outing yourself. Now who has the credibility problem?

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
234. "Harvard Law School hired its first woman of color, Elizabeth Warren, in 1995."
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:54 PM
May 2016

From the Fordham Law Review that I read about here about a year ago. People defended her, but defending that was just sad.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
24. Why would she risk angering/ embarrassing a powerful, vindictive politician?
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:10 PM
May 2016

EW is the ideological opposite of HRC; she said in the interview that she is trying to "unrig" the system and "level the playing field." That is not where Hill's alliances lie. Plus, Clinton's deep coziness with Wall Street goes against EW's intense, repeated criticisms of Wall St.

Since Warren was the ONLY female Democratic senator to refuse to endorse HRC, she cannot afford to further anger Hill.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
33. Well, she's "refused" to endorse Bernie too.
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:16 PM
May 2016

Senz, she's keeping her options open. She's not endorsing anyone now because it's too early. She knows that there will be hell to pay in the Senate if she endorses Bernie, who has no chance of getting the nomination.

If she endorses Hillary now, she loses a lot of support from the Bernie people.

She's smart, she's crafty, and she wants to see how things go.

Like any smart politician would.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
50. She bucked immense peer pressure by not endorsing Hillary.
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:24 PM
May 2016

ALL the Democratic women senators jumped on board for Hillary -- except Warren. That looks so bad, and she knows it. It took courage to stick to her principles.

She and Bernie are on the same page, preaching the same things. But Hillary amassed tremendous money and political clout and has a vicious reputation for vengeance against anyone perceived to be disloyal.

I would guess Warren's hoping Bernie gets the nomination, but in any event, she will be a good Democrat and endorse the nominee, whoever it is. Because she has to get along with the party.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
69. Let's agree to disagree on this.
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:59 PM
May 2016

I'd like to see the evidence of Clinton's 'vicious reputation for vengeance' as so many of the shots about Clinton lack the facts to support them, IMHO.

I think Warren has always been her own individual so if there was pressure, and again that's purely conjecture, she wasn't bothered by it. She's too independent for that.

I don't think she would favor a Bernie nomination because she knows that Bernie has not been thoroughly vetted, as Clinton has over many years. I've researched Bernie's biography and there is enough there to guarantee he wouldn't have a chance in the general. Too many relationships with Marxists, Communists, Sandinistas, honeymooning in the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Too many sensational newspaper columns and videos of his speeches.

The media hasn't done its job because a real horserace is very profitable for them, and there's not been a peep from the Republicans.

Have you and other Bernie supporters wondered about that? The Repub Pacs have spent millions on anti Hillary ads in her primary states, but not a negative word about Bernie. Well, the Repubs have done their research and they know that Bernie would be easy pickings for them.

Warren's too smart for all that. Her own self interest is her issues that she champions and her own political future. She knows better than to endorse Sanders. She knows that if she did, she would be helping Trump. And as you can see from her tweets last weekend about Trump, she won't do anything to help the guy. And endorsing Bernie would do just that.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
98. Okay, but I do get to answer your LONG comment...
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:48 PM
May 2016

You can read about Hillary's well-known vindictiveness at the following links:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195188-hillarys-hit-list

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195192-kerry-kennedy-top-clintons-traitor-list

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195193-mccaskill-didnt-want-to-be-in-elevator-with-clinton

Elizabeth knows Bernie; they've been ideologically very close for a long time and she has worked with him in the Senate. She knows and respects Bernie.

As an open, honest public official with nothing to hide who has won elections since the 1980s, Bernie is probably better vetted than Hillary, due to Hillary's famous secrecy.

Bernie is not a Marxist and not a Communist. As a believer in the democratic rights of ALL people, of course Bernie championed the people's struggles in Nicaragua rather then Reagan's favorites, the Contras.

Bernie did not "honeymoon" in the Soviet Union. That is a dirty rightwing lie. Burlington Vermont's sister city is a city in Russia, and Bernie, as mayor of Burlington, visited it. That's what sister cities do.

Bernie is a remarkably "clean" candidate and his record of achievement as mayor, congressman and senator is impressive.

I seriously object to your making up stories about Elizabeth Warren. She is way too smart to fall for the Hill campaign canard that support for Bernie is support for Trump, and I don't think she would appreciate your putting those words in her mouth. Both Bernie and Elizabeth are against Trump. Anti-Trump is a big part of Bernie rallies, and his cheering supporters always join Bernie in booing Trump.

Elizabeth Warren is wise to avoid making a candidate endorsement until after we have a nominee. She will endorse the Democratic nominee. She probably could not survive Hillary's vindictive wrath if she endorsed Bernie, and it is doubtful she would endorse the Wall Street candidate, given her antipathy for Wall Street.

I find your subject line of "Let's agree to disagree," followed by a lengthy pro-Hillary campaign screed replete with egregious falsehoods about Bernie, somewhat sneaky and less than honest, kstewart33. Yes, you certainly are a Hill supporter.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
207. Whoa there.
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:32 AM
May 2016

I disagree with most of your points in your LONG post.

So let's let it lie, and move on.

But I do respect your commitment to your candidate.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
42. "Risk angering/embarrassing a powerful, vindictive politician?"
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:20 PM
May 2016

She already crossed that bridge when she didn't endorse Bernie for Massachusetts primary (which Hillary won)!

Then those "tweets" started - and now she gets them from Trump?

Oh - she might just be ready to jump in it!

thesquanderer

(11,937 posts)
63. Is that the interview the OP is talking about? EW clearly did not rule anything out.
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:40 PM
May 2016

She refused to give a straight yes or no despite the obvious intent to elicit one.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
16. Vice President is a powerless and ineffectual office.
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:01 PM
May 2016

Why the hell would EW want to throw away her talents on that?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
17. Yes, I know she also
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:03 PM
May 2016

said she is doing the job her constituents of Mass elected her to do. Work to un-rig the system. The video is posted down link with the title "Warren refuses to rule out" but I think rule it out- is exactly what she did.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
156. Why would she want to be second fiddle
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:10 PM
May 2016

When she could easily be first. I don't blame her. I wouldn't want the job. I would hate to give up the ability to hop in the car and go where ever I please.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
47. That's a nice possibility. If Hillary doesn't taint the whole pool by
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:22 PM
May 2016

making the subconscious minds of the voters turn against a woman, any woman, unfairly or not...But yeah, I'd love to see her become President one day, because I believe she absolutely has the fire in the belly to always do the right things and for the right reasons.

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
93. I am sure you will be expressing the same concern about President Hillary Clinton
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:35 PM
May 2016

Last edited Wed May 11, 2016, 06:39 PM - Edit history (1)

in late 2020 or early 2021 as we look ahead to the 2024 election. An election in which I look forward to supporting Senator Warren.

Karma13612

(4,524 posts)
136. just an fyi- Elizabeth Warren looks great for her age which is currently 66
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:34 PM
May 2016

In 2024, she will be Sanders age right now, 74.

So, any criticism about Sanders' age now would be hurled at her in 2024.

Now, I don't think 74 is too old, but look how they are marginalizing Sanders for all manner of reasons, including that he is too old.

They would do that to Warren as well.

I am truly heartbroken that Warren chose not to run this cycle.

We shall see.

I still am behind Sanders 1000%.

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
142. Sanders' age has nothing at all to do with why I am not supporting him.
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:42 PM
May 2016

And I would have no problem supporting Elizabeth Warren if she ran at the age of 75, which is how old she will turn in June 2024.

Warren may well decide to run in 2020 or 2024, hopefully 2024 since we need to win this election.

I will fervently support Sanders if he is the nominee and I hope you will do the same for Clinton if she is nominated.

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
89. I was thinking that Warren 2024 would be better for all of us.
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:33 PM
May 2016

If a disaster happens, and Trump gets into the White House, then at that point I would be for Warren 2020.

But I think we should all work hard to make sure that doesn't happen, regardless of who the nominee is.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
31. Depends on who's saying it and how they mean it.
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:15 PM
May 2016

That phrase is a slang expression of support. It depends on how it's used. If a Hill fan said it to me, I'd be royally offended because they are so insulting and condescending. But if a friend said it, I'd take it as friendly approval.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
79. She's a sitting senator, it's insulting and demeaning.
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016

So if a Hillary supporters was saying it in the way this poster did you'd be snarling, so you admit that you know this, or do you imagine that the poster is a personal friend of the Senator?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
100. I think it's informal approval & your pose is stuffy and inflated.
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:55 PM
May 2016

You're just looking for an excuse to take umbrage.

Hey, wanna get rich? Bottle up umbrage and sell it. It would fly off the shelves like hotcakes.

Oh, and while we're at it, please explain that last phrase to me as I don't really understand it.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
106. Nope. You're incorrect, your own post confirms you understand that this is not a
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:05 PM
May 2016

Last edited Wed May 11, 2016, 09:20 PM - Edit history (1)

situation in which it's what you claim.

Your own pose is rather silly and hypocritical.

I don't have the vast stores of umbrage you seem to be stocked up with, but you go right ahead with your scheme, ignoring the lack of a market for ridiculous umbrage.

You don't understand simple English? Perhaps fewer attempts at snark (not a skill you possess) and more reading comprehension.

The OP is not a personal friend of the senator, there was nothing "informal" here, just gendered dismissal that she claims she did not mean, but is far too stubborn to bother correcting, even when her error was explained to her numerous times.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
117. Wait a minute.
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

I wasn't being snarky, I was having fun with language. Language is fun.

So ... does the phrase, "fly off the shelves like hot cakes" makes sense to you? I mean, have you ever seen hot cakes fly off shelves?

I'm tired from posting. I think you'll just have to get along without me for the time being.

Hasta luego!

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
125. Ah, so you literally believe that you have a market for you bottled umbrage?
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016

Interesting.

I am not the one who had issues with understanding your rather poor attempts at snark.

Language is fun, even better if you know words and can understand sentences.

Abiento.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
28. Come on now. That's not a "no."
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:13 PM
May 2016

She didn't say yes or no. Just that she loves her job.

Translation: Let's wait and see.

She's keeping her options open.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
44. I'm not going to be bullied by the so called "feminists" here
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:20 PM
May 2016

for saying someone is a good girl. Why? Because I don't believe in censorship and I believe that real feminists have bigger battles to fight such as equal rights and equal pay.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
138. Those mean old feminists!
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:37 PM
May 2016

How dare they contend that using gender-specific diminutives for grown women is sexist! Man-haters!

You're somethin' else.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
237. Bullied, shamed, pressure. What ever you want to call it.
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:04 PM
May 2016

I'm not going to conform to all the posers out there who pretend that they're offended by the word girl.

I'm a grown damn woman and I know damn well what sexist is and it isn't giving another woman praise and using the word girl in the comment.

You want to be offended by something, be offended by domestic abuse. Be offended by human trafficking. Be offended by babies daddies who run out on the women they use as sperm receptacles and force them to raise their offspring in poverty.

And when I hear and see women even begin to express outrage over sexism of that sort, maybe, just maybe we can work on being outraged by silly damn words.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
37. Thanks for the heads-up, notadmblnd!
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:18 PM
May 2016

FWIW: Going by the job she's done as a US Senator, Ms. Warren would make an excellent President.

PS: Ignore those who don't know you. I'd call them by name, but it would, you know.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
43. Silly idea anyway
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:20 PM
May 2016

Warren brings nothing Clinton needs. Same demographic, region, safe blue EVs already, isn't going to pull in any single issue kill the banksters types who would never vote HRC even with Eugene Debs as veep. She's a perfectly admirable Senator and consumer advocate who can do more good staying both than being the token funeral attendee and insurance policy biding their time for 8 years. What's needed is a younger, non-NE, credible attack dog who won't leave much of a hole and can bring in some stragglers. Castro is the common musing for a reason, although there are plenty other choices.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
202. Well if Clinton actually wins the nom, there is one thing Clinton might need from Senator Warren
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:43 AM
May 2016

Sander's supporters.

I believe HRC would only consider it- if it would draw support from Sanders supporters who currently say that they won't vote for Clinton.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
209. That would surely be a trivial number though
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:30 AM
May 2016

If it's fit of pique PUMA outbursts like Clinton's supporters toyed with in 2008, they'll see sense and manage to admit that there really is a difference between Clinton and Trump by November and vote for her anyway.

If it's a genuine, albeit asinine, desire to cut off noses as well as cheeks, lips and teeth to spite the Trumpian face, in other words a refusal to support Clinton regardless of the alternative and the damage that entails, then a token role for Warren which gives her less actual power than she already has, absent Clinton's early demise, would fool only people who are involved enough in politics to have developed a loathing for Clinton from the left, but haven't in all that time twigged that the VP is a sinecure insurance policy and PR figure with effective powers less than a junior undersecretary unless you haqppen to have a 50-50 Senate with impeccable party discipline.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
51. Many of us have been saying this.
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:25 PM
May 2016

We don't want her giving up any clout. And she isn't a "good girl", she is a highly intelligent woman.

Beacool

(30,243 posts)
56. It wasn't a viable option anyway.
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:30 PM
May 2016

Notice who Obama chose as VP in 2008. He was a young AA nominee with not a lot of years of elected experience. He chose a white older man who had been in elected office for many years.

Hillary will be the first woman nominee, she's not going to choose another woman. She'll choose a man who is younger than herself and from a diverse state.

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
97. I have given quite a bit of thought as to who Hillary might choose to be her running-mate.
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

In 2008 I correctly predicted that John McCain would pick Sarah Palin. That was quite a prediction but all my others have been wrong. I guess it is inevitable that most predictions will be wrong since there are so many possibilities and can only be one selection.

I could see Hillary making history by picking a Latino running mate. I like Representative Xavier Becerra of California. He is the chair of the House Democratic Caucus and the fourth ranking House Democrat. He has been in Congress for 24 years.

I think Elizabeth Warren is terrific and would happily support her for president at some point down the line. But right now we have to win this election.

Beacool

(30,243 posts)
180. I don't know Xavier Becerra, I'll look him up.
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:44 PM
May 2016

I wouldn't be surprised if she picked a Hispanic man.

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
217. Becerra just gave an interview to Lawrence O'Donnell.
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:32 PM
May 2016

I don't know if you saw it, but if you have DVR then maybe you can tape the replay at 1 AM. It aired at about 10:22 or so.

BTW, I put up a post on the Hillary Clinton Forum that I think you will like. It is a link to an article about all the unfair attacks against Hillary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107130648

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
239. Here is the link to his interview on youtube.
Fri May 13, 2016, 07:49 PM
May 2016


They start by showing him being asked about the VP slot. Then they show the whole interview he gave. It is all all at the beginning of the clip.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
64. Me too. SMH at the pretentiousness of some people here.
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:42 PM
May 2016

So let's make this short and sweet.

I'm an awful person and you're better than me. M'kAY?

Was that good for your ego? Good. Have a great evening.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
81. Perhaps, now that you realize how this sounds, you just edit the title?
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:23 PM
May 2016

There is no need to make this so personal or drag it out. It's an error, not something you meant to be demeaning, so just make use of the edit function and the drama ends.

Not such a big thing to do right?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
126. The dramatics is comming from people like you
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

who are making a big deal in regards to my OP.

If you don't like it. Put it on ignore or trash the thread.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
128. No, the tantrums are all yours.
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:28 PM
May 2016

Your OP was disparaging, I pointed it out, as have others your response was to hop up and down making it worse for yourself.

I don't like it, and it's my right to state my opinion, silencing those who point out things you don't like is not how we do things on this side of the aisle. Perhaps you'd like to mosey on down somewhere where this type of behavior and language are acceptable?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
85. No, you people are not going to shame or bully me into changing anything.
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:29 PM
May 2016

If it bothers you so damn much, alert and put me on ignore.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
129. Because those are things you prefer to do to women by calling them girls?
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:29 PM
May 2016

If you're bothered so much by people calling out your denigrating comment, either edit it or stop digging yourself in further, these dramatic tantrums are not doing you any good.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
135. Bully you. Make the woman a child in the finest of Patriarchal way, and tell us we are bullying you.
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:34 PM
May 2016
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
141. Normally, when a person is informed that a turn of phrase they THINK is innocent
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:41 PM
May 2016

is actually offensive to many of the target audience, they could take that opportunity to learn from the situation and become a more sensitive person.

OR. . . they could double-down and start ranting about "so-called feminists."

Which path is chosen can be very enlightening.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
84. WOW, here is a good lady who has worked hard, advocated for consumer issues for us and then
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:28 PM
May 2016

this comes out. There was a big push for her to run as president and post about her being Sanders vp and also to have her has Hillary's VP, now the cheering section comes out for her not accepting a VP offer. Damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. She has been a good senator, and if she had decided to run as president she would have been a good candidate. We don't need to disparage good Democrats.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
105. In your mind.
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:05 PM
May 2016

In my mind it is an accolade. See the difference? However, I'm over my insecurities in regards to my femininity.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
110. You're calling an grown, accomplished woman, a sitting senator, a "girl" and you're confused
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:08 PM
May 2016

about why that's disparaging?

If you need it explained to you, here's a link that attempts to do so.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/08/stop-calling-women-girls-its-either-patronising-or-sexually-suggestive

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
115. Well that's the gospel then, right?
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:11 PM
May 2016

How about- "Stop being so damn insecure and looking for sexism behind every damn word that is spoken/written."

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
127. I have no idea what your religious texts say about not taking personal responsibility
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

for saying stupid and offensive things, you'll have to ponder that yourself.

How about when you make a dumb mistake, instead of further embarrassing yourself, just correct it. When you're given the benefit of the doubt, it's pretty insecure to act the way you're acting.

You could understand what a dumb mistake you made, but apparently you'd rather just indulge in playing the victim and being belligerent about it. Your gospel sounds a heck of a lot like that a certain short fingered vulgarian.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
131. By the title alone, I felt very contrite, sitting with hands on lap and getting a pat on the head.
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:30 PM
May 2016

I dunno.... lol.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
140. Lol, as I lower my eyes, raise my hand over smile, do a quiet, lady like laugh..... Ah ha. Hey....
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:40 PM
May 2016

Sigh, ... Our world.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
179. according to what authority?
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:36 PM
May 2016

Is it written in the official Feminist's handbook? Can you cite me a page?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
183. Well this adult woman with clear memories of the 50's and 60's disagrees
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:43 PM
May 2016

soooo, I guess my authority cancels your authority and vise versa

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
87. She's too damned important in teh Senate
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:32 PM
May 2016

to get buried in a dead end PR job - and - be forced to knuckle under to Clintons Corporate crap

Good on you Senator!

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
132. oh, I dunno, gonna just throw this out there. Woman? Would woman work. Good woman, !!! You did
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:32 PM
May 2016

just what I wanted. Rejected Clinton and in my opinion, insulted her all over the place.

Maybe?

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
167. I thought the same thing. This is what I used to say to my dog.
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:36 PM
May 2016

I can't believe that anybody thought it was reasonable to use when referencing a United States Senator, or any woman for that matter.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
149. "Good Girl" WTF?!?! Would you then say Sherrod is a "Bad Boy" if he does the same???
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:55 PM
May 2016

This is sexism, for all you Clinton supporters throwing around the word meaninglessly.

Thought you should know.

This is EXTREMELY insulting, as a woman.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
151. It's just today's outrage du jour
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:04 PM
May 2016

Glad I could get all you folks (any problem with that word?) blood running.

Self righteous indignation- makes you feel so alive, doesn't it?

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
158. I don't believe for a second that you are female. Of any age.
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:13 PM
May 2016

No woman would say that about Elizabeth Warren. You couldn't be more patronizing.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
229. HE is not a female. HE said this just upthread:
Fri May 13, 2016, 09:32 AM
May 2016
notadmblnd (23,055 posts)
116. I'm not wrong.

And I'm not going to change it. I am sick and tired of the man hating club here and I'm not about to kow tow the their damn petty demands.

If what I wrote is so damn horrible and offensive- alert on it. The other option you and every other person who is soooo damn offended by it- can just put my sexist ass on ignore.


Kind of a strange thing for a woman to say, no?

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
159. No she did not rule it out
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:16 PM
May 2016

She left the door open, I heard it myself. Yes, she did say she loved her job, but that does no mean she ruled out the VP slot. Where do people come up with this kind of crap?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
165. She is using the same sort of language she used when she was being encouraged
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:33 PM
May 2016

to run for President yet she never explicitly ruled it out. I'm confident that she will not accept an offer to become anyone's running mate.

ecstatic

(32,532 posts)
196. Everyone makes mistakes, but it's important to not keep digging.
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:33 PM
May 2016

At some point, you have to acknowledge the mistake, apologize, and move on. Or you'll be no better than Mr. "Never Regret Anything" Trump.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
203. Matters not to me what you call me.
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:46 AM
May 2016

And there is nothing you can say to me that hasn't already been said. So you might as well not get your blood pressure up over it.

Thanks for the thread kick.

Have a good morning.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
215. "Good girl" is what I say to my dog.
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:38 PM
May 2016

I wouldn't use it on a grown woman whom I respect like Senator Warren.
Probably would say "Nice job, Senator! Elizabeth Warren rules out any VP offers."

The fact that this has been pointed out to you and you refusing to learn from it is quite funny.
So thanks for the

jcgoldie

(11,566 posts)
225. gender stereotypes?
Fri May 13, 2016, 07:25 AM
May 2016

No not serious one bit. The language we use doesn't matter at all no matter how degrading right, sweety?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
245. Yeah, yeah, real serious
Sun May 15, 2016, 11:26 AM
May 2016

I guess one could call it a mortal sin? I'm certain that I'll stand before my maker one day and receive a huge thumbs down for it.

Meanwhile, all the HRC supporters are just fine with the fact that her husband pals around and cavorts with convicted pedophiles who avail themselves of the services of underage sex slaves.

No feminist outrage in that thread. No sir. That seems to be A-Okay with them.

Get out of here with your freaking hypocrisy. Shoo!

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
219. I just wrote the same thing above.
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:36 PM
May 2016

I used to say "good girl" to my dog. It sounds so ridiculous to hear it said to a United States senator.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
227. She didn't rule anything out and you took that quote out of context.
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:47 AM
May 2016

Now will you take back your sexist comment?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
228. I'm not taking anything back
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:58 AM
May 2016

It was not a sexist comment and I think all you people complaining that it is sexist are the real sexists. Don't all you self proclaimed feminists and fighters of women's rights have bigger fish to fry? Aren't there more damn important things to be outraged about?

I'm damn sick and tired of all these so called life long victims of men nit picking about the little shit. If you want to truly be offended about sexism. Be offended about something important like human trafficking.

There's something I almost never see you so called feminists stand up for. NO! that would too hard to fight against that. Much easier to nit pick and go along with the posers on an internet discussion board like a sheep.

Until you put a stop to the bigger outrages against women, take yourself down the damn road because I'm tired of listening to all your fake outrage over stupid words.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
244. thanks for taking their hypocrisy like an American
Sun May 15, 2016, 11:13 AM
May 2016

such mud crawling and absolute real issue avoidance.
there will be nothing left worth fighting for if real Americans
dont stand up for what it means to be an American.

Brock's Billionaire Brigade is not composed of real Americans,
straight up fakery.

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