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Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:16 PM May 2016

Would you like to see the West Virginia coal mines shut down?


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Would you like to see the West Virginia coal mines shut down? (Original Post) Renew Deal May 2016 OP
We need to use solar and wind power in our state. k8conant May 2016 #1
Yes BUT.... Yurovsky May 2016 #2
Or our inablilty to power everything right now without using coal. n/t FSogol May 2016 #6
I think the comment was candor. joshcryer May 2016 #8
"War on coal" must not be "war on coal workers" pat_k May 2016 #3
I see you haven't voted. What do you think? Luminous Animal May 2016 #4
I think that shutting down the coal mines is the logical conclusion to ending the use of coal Renew Deal May 2016 #7
I'd rather see them phased out as cleaner energy sources come on line. FSogol May 2016 #5
Yes but we aslo have to give the people other jobs right away Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #9
I'd like to see Jamaal510 May 2016 #10
Another binary poll void of nuanced thought. TheBlackAdder May 2016 #11

k8conant

(3,030 posts)
1. We need to use solar and wind power in our state.
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:33 PM
May 2016
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Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
2. Yes BUT....
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:53 PM
May 2016

You can't board up a major employer of thousands of Americans - essentially by government edict - without implementing a detailed, robust, well-funded program to employ those workers in other occupations at similar wages. That would include education & training, possible construction of facilities/infrastructure etc. IMO, it wouldn't have to be isolated to only clean energy projects, but the goal should be 100% re-employment of affected workers. That may not be possible, but certainly it should be the goal.

My problem is the initial comments re: shutting down WV coal opeartions was just sort of tossed out there to garner some cheap support with green voters. No consideration was given to the people who would lose their jobs or even how to moderate the probable increase in utility costs to moderate & low income customers.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
8. I think the comment was candor.
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:11 PM
May 2016

Which is rare from equivocating Clinton. She actually wants to see it gone.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
3. "War on coal" must not be "war on coal workers"
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:56 PM
May 2016

Tragically, EPA's emissions restrictions, enacted by executive order, were not accompanied by any sort of investment to offset the devastating consequences to "coal towns." As much as we might applaud the new restrictions, there's a problem with doing it outside congress. As part of a bill, such new rules would be part of a deal that included investment to mitigate the consequences.

Shutdown of 150th coal plant reminder that so-called 'war on coal' must not be war on coal workers
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/13/1245351/-Shutdown-of-150th-coal-plant-reminder-that-miners-and-related-workers-need-a-just-transition

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
7. I think that shutting down the coal mines is the logical conclusion to ending the use of coal
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:00 PM
May 2016

Not sure how it can be avoided. If we're saying end the use of coal, then logically the mines have to be closed.

FSogol

(45,484 posts)
5. I'd rather see them phased out as cleaner energy sources come on line.
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:59 PM
May 2016

We should speed their closing, but closing them suddenly is probably poor energy policy.
There is no reason we couldn't transition from coal in 25 years as a national goal.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
10. I'd like to see
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:02 AM
May 2016

an alternative to coal, but something to keep in mind is that the coal workers would be without jobs if they shut down, and as it stands, coal is a major part of the state's economy.

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