If you don't vote Democrat this November

[StayFrosty]

The potential of Roe V Wade getting overturned doesn't matter to you
A conservative supreme Court doesn't matter to you
Millions of immigrant families being torn apart doesn't matter to you
A wall being built doesn't matter to you
Muslims and mosques being under surveillance doesn't matter to you
A Muslim database doesn't matter to you
A whole religion being banned from entering the US doesn't matter to you
Obama care and expanded Medicaid doesn't matter to you
Rampant voter ID laws don't matter to you
The DREAM act doesn't matter to you
Gay marriage doesn't matter to you

And everything that President Obama has worked for and accomplished doesn't matter to you

[NCTraveler]

1. You hit on something. Social justice doesn't matter to that group.

Well stated but to be clear the "I'm not voting both parties are the same" block of voters aren't all there in the first place.

Please note that we are talking about an extremely small but vocal group here at DU. My comments are more directed at society in large.

[cali]

6. Fuck that noise. most of my life, social issues were far more important

to me than economic issues and that's where I focused my energy, money and activism.

[NCTraveler]

7. Not sure why you took anything I said so personally.

It wasn't directed at you.

You are two smart to go down the ratfucking both parties are the same road.

[Bettie]

46. Given your list

economic justice doesn't matter to your group.

The two are intertwined and not an either/or proposition.

And I know I have to vote for the lesser evil, living in a swing state.

The problem there is that the candidate who will most likely be the Dem nominee will forget all she has said about those below her on the economic ladder the second she takes office in favor of her friends on her end of that ladder.

[NCTraveler]

48. It matters greatly to me.

And I fully agree that so much of social/economic justice is intertwined.

I won't now go on to tell you what you think.

[baldguy]

2. But Hillary has a shrill voice & her pantsuits are ugly.

And she's too old, and too much of a shrew.

[TheCowsCameHome]

42. That's obvious enough.

It's her politics and checkered past that I don't like.

[baldguy]

65. Even though that "checkered past" is an invention made up of whole cloth by the VRWC?

The fact that you accept the veracity of Republican fascists over that of dedicated progressive Democrats with decades-long experience - like Hillary Clinton - speaks volumes.

[TheCowsCameHome]

66. Yeah, the "sniper fire" thing must've overwhelmed me

..among other things,

[baldguy]

67. You're deep into the dupage.

[TheCowsCameHome]

70. Nah. Not much of a HRC fan.

[baldguy]

74. That's why the RW loves you so much.

Repeat: The fact that you accept the veracity of Republican fascists over that of dedicated progressive Democrats with decades-long experience - like Hillary Clinton - speaks volumes.

That's why the RW loves you so much.

[TheCowsCameHome]

75. So she's the only liberal worth voting for? Really?

That's a rather odd thing for a so-called progressive to say.

[baldguy]

84. In November, yes. Since she'll be the only one running for the WH.

[jack_krass]

86. This, like everything else you've written in this thread, is false.

[baldguy]

91. So, by your words you either believe the RW lie that Clinton isn't a liberal

Or you're advocating for a 3rd party, neither of which bode well for your veracity and honesty.

[jack_krass]

96. 1) HRC is NOT a Liberal, 2) I advocate people to vote their concience

[baldguy]

97. And you choose door #3 - both.

I bet you voted for Nader on 2000. Fuck Nader.

[840high]

78. You're still in denial.

[Arneoker]

3. I think that the question is

Are you going to be useful to social and economic justice or not, or do you have some other priority? I know that some will likely come here to dress it up some other way and to otherwise muddy up the issue, but the question is as simple as that.

I for one think one should try be useful.

[Matt_in_STL]

4. Well, shit. The first 157 times this was posted didn't sway me, but you...

You silver tongued, magnificent bastard. You have completely pulled me to your position. I had considered voting based on my ethical principles and my refusal to vote for evil, lesser or not, but you have such an incredible way of pleading your case. All the others who came before you could learn from your mastery at debate and getting your point across and should kneel before you as they bathe in your wisdom.

Bravo, kind sir or ma'am. Bravo indeed.

[djean111]

23. Oh, you have captured my feelings on the Admonition O'The Day exactly!

We really should have a very special protected group for these things - so we can ignores them all, automatically.
Well done, sir or madam, well done!

[Andy823]

50. You do have such a place

The JPR site, but for some reason the people there come here day after, day, after day to trash Clinton instead of doing their best to get Bernie elected. I guess you and the gang figure that trashing Hillary constantly on DU is "really" helping Bernie, or maybe you guy have a whole different agenda? I really don't think in all these months you have converted anyone over to Bernie by coming here to trash and bash, do you?

[hobbit709]

30. +1000

[Merryland]

53. well f'ing said!

[840high]

79. xactly -

[cali]

5. Stop with this crap

This same guilting shit doesn't become more thoughtful and meaningful the more times it's posted. But I do find your list revealing.

[Arneoker]

14. Does guilt fulfill a function?

[cali]

38. That, of course, depends.

[Arneoker]

17. It seems interesting to me

That people who proclaim that they are voting their ethical principles are often the same ones who complain about guilt trips.

[StayFrosty]

8. It's simple

Are those things important to you or not?

If yes then in November you'll do your civic duty and do your country a favor and vote to stop Donald Trump and make sure we can implement our progressive agenda in a piecemeal manner.

In politics if you ask for a mile, consider yourself lucky if you get half an inch

[840high]

80. I'll do my civic duty -

Bernie.

[CanadaexPat]

9. There are more than just domestic issues

to consider.

[Travis_0004]

10. It depends on the state

Do you think if a California voter sita out the state risks goimg for trump?

If a texas voter sits out we are robbing Hilary of a win?

[Thinkingabout]

11. K&R, great post, with the likely hood of a couple nominations to SC

Coming up in the next few years is so important to have a Democrat president and a Democratic Senate.

[B Calm]

12. It's sad it's coming down to this, we deserve better!

[Shadowflash]

19. Not only that

But progressives were locked out a LOT of closed primaries and NOW, all of a sudden, our opinion and what we do is important? Progressives were locked out, often, from having a say who the nominee is, why should we swear an oath to support a nominee that we had no say in and do not agree with?

No guilt here, if I don't vote for HRC.

[RiverLover]

13. There are some Muslims living near me that I hope are under surveillance!

Sketchy to say the least.

But since Obama has made this a surveillance state with NSA, I'm sure they are.

[StayFrosty]

15. Vote blue no matter who

[Matt_in_STL]

22. Must be how Kim Davis got into office in Kentucky

Because of people like you. People who vote for a letter behind the name rather than the principles of the candidates and where they fall on the issues. If Donald Trump had run as a Dem I am sure you'd be eating that shit sandwich and asking for seconds.

[jack_krass]

89. Yep, party over principle -go team!!!

[inchhigh]

16. I'll vote democratic as long as we nominate a democrat

I'm always a little suspicious of people who don't know how to use the words.


"The most natural phrase would be "Democratic primary" with a large 'D' to distinguish it from a primary that was run in a democratic manner. But many conservative Republicans say "Democrat party." It's almost a litmus test for right-wingedness. Listen to the Limbaughs and other liberal-haters, and they always say "Democrat party" and "Democrat politician" whereas more neutral people or moderate Republicans say the nicer-sounding and more natural "Democratic primary."

Leonard Hall, a former Republican National Chairman, began referring to the 'Democrat' rather than the 'Democratic' party, a habit begun by Thomas E. Dewey. Hall dropped the 'ic,' he said, because 'I think their claims that they represent the great mass of the people, and we don't is just a lot of bunk.'

The point remains that only Right wingers and those that listen to right wingers are comfortable with the term "Democrat Party," right?"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/3/233098/-

[nc4bo]

21. Yea, I find that term irrirating and revealing too. nt

[Nye Bevan]

18. Only those who have a certain amount of privilege have the luxury of choosing not to vote Dem (nt)

[Matt_in_STL]

24. Like not wanting my 20-year old son to have to go off to fight a pointless war for Queen and country

Yeah, I'll vote for Hillary so he can have the "privilege" of fighting her ridiculous wars. Maybe, just maybe, sometimes people's needs align differently than with yours?

[Nye Bevan]

29. And you think war is more likely with Hillary than with President Trump? (nt)

[Matt_in_STL]

36. I don't care for either of them, based on principles, and I certainly wouldn't cast a vote for Trump

With that said, yes, I do believe war is more likely with Hillary. We have her past actions and stances on war with Libya, Iraq, and Syria. We know that she has rattled the saber in relation to Iran and seems to be itching for a fight as if she continually has something to prove. While we don't have Trump's past actions to base anything from, we do have his statements, which at this point put him to the left of Hillary when it comes to the use of our military.

As someone who has served in the military and has seen what completely shitty reasons we have come up with to put our troops in harm's way (troops drawn mostly from the lower/lower middle class) and the lack of care provided to them both in combat areas and back at home, these issues hit close to home. When you add into this that I have a son who has considered the military as an option, this becomes an even bigger issue for me. I don't believe I can trust either of these candidates to do right by me and my family in multiple ways, but on this issue, I know I can't trust Hillary.

[jack_krass]

90. Yes (no, this isn't an endorsement of Trump)...

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[DinahMoeHum]

20. "Politics is about winning" - Doris "Granny D" Haddock

. . .a bona fide progressive (soul rest in peace)

http://www.alternet.org/story/15789/don't_stand_in_the_way_of_our_joy

(snip)
There are many among us on the peace trail who will not support a candidate unless that candidate is perfect on every issue.
Politics is about winning.
For us, it is about winning to save lives and raise people up from poverty and illness and loneliness and injustice.
Those posturing on the left sometimes forget that.
Don't tell me that you can't support a particular candidate because of this or that.
This isn't about you and your precious political standards.
It is about saving nature and our people.
We are coming out to win, so please don't stand in our way.
When we have reasonable people in power, let us start our arguments again, for we can not move forward unless we have a decent government underneath us and a Bill of Rights to let us speak freely.
(snip)

[djean111]

27. All that tells me, in today's world, is that the candidate being shoved

down our throats is not good for Nature OR people.

For us, it is about winning to save lives and raise people up from poverty and illness and loneliness and injustice.

The problem, for me, is that I don't believe Hillary is about any of those things. The Third Way and constant war create the reverse of those things.

[merrily]

47. To paraphrase Bubba, "It depends on what your definition of winning is."

[hellofromreddit]

25. Do you realize what an incredibly low bar you've set for Hillary?

"Vote for Hillary because I claim that she's some unspecified amount better than this list of insane crap," doesn't do much to inspire.

[Broward]

93. Your post nails it.

The bar will only get lower if we continue to elect politicians that will take us further right.

[djean111]

26. Please wait until after the convention for this sort of thing - I hate to break it to you like this,

but your abilities as a bellwether are neither better nor worse than the last few thousand attempts at admonishing and/or ordering others how to vote. Which is to say, this stuff has become either annoying or amusing, depending on degree of verbosity and authoritarianism. They just do not work, and the most you really earn - at DU - is a Full Ignore.

[tk2kewl]

28. If I don't vote for a Democrat it will be because the Party didn't nominate one

who shares my values

[Nye Bevan]

31. Did you vote for Kerry in 2004 despite his vote for the IWR?

Did you vote for Obama in 2008 despite his opposition to marriage equality?

Did you vote for Obama in 2012 despite his support for the death penalty?

You're never going to get a candidate who agrees with you on every issue. The thing to do is to vote for the one who agrees with you on more issues than the other one. Especially when the other one is a dangerous maniac.

[tk2kewl]

35. enough with that crap

i didn't vote for him in the primary and i didn't vote for clinton in the primary.

and at 50 yrs old i'm tired of just voting against the candidate i like least - i may instead vote for the for the candidate i like most

[Nye Bevan]

37. Like the Nader voters in 2000. OK (nt)

[tk2kewl]

40. sure

if everyone voted their conscience we'd be much better off. just like i dig dandelions out of my lawn rather than pour poison on them like every single other house on the block. maybe it's pointless and doesn't change anything, but if everyone did it we'd be much better off.

[Nye Bevan]

41. I'm not sure that we ended up "better off" because of people voting for Nader in Florida in 2000,

but if you think we did, I guess we'll just have to disagree on that.

[tk2kewl]

43. you know that is not what i said, but whatev

[Demsrule86]

32. I will vote Democratic

I have but one criterion;you have to win. The candidate who wins the nomination has to be the one who won the delegates. Should Bernie manage to steal the election which I don't believe he can, then Trump wins. The chaos that would ensue would make certain of that. I would not vote for Bernie; I don't vote for people who take what they don't earn.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

33. Highlights the coup fiscally conservative politicians pulled off. Now we're all Kansas

Reference to "What's the Matter with Kansas?"

Social wedge issues determine which Party overseas the distribution of wealth to the top 1% and race-to-the-bottom for the middle class.

Too bad there's not a candidate in the Democratic primary who is saying establishment politics is wrong, who's looking out for the middle class, and who isn't holding Democrats hostage over wedge issues. Yeah, that's top shelf sarcasm.

[merrily]

45. +1

[Merryland]

54. Absofreakinglutely. n/t

[redstatebluegirl]

34. But it's a revolution, I have to make a point ! I'm throwing a tantrum! (sarcasm)

[UglyGreed]

39. Another pledge

perhaps the New Democrats and the DNC should not run a candidate who is second in being the most hated candidate to ever run. No wonder Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run in the first place....

[merrily]

44. What a bullshit post!

[LWolf]

49. Vote "Democrat?"

You sound like a Republican.

And your assertion is false.


A whole hell of a lot of social issues can matter to voters who don't vote for neo-liberals. If you are worried about that, instead of attacking potential allies, you might consider nominating someone who can actually earn their vote.

But then, those issues don't matter enough to you to do so, do they?

[B Calm]

51. No kidding. +1

[ChairmanAgnostic]

52. "Hey Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat." "Again?"

[EndElectoral]

55. I will be voting Democratic this GE. Just not for HRC.

[Katashi_itto]

56. Vote Dem or else" thread # 2,322.

[NewImproved Deal]

57. I'll vote Democratic from US Senator down to Dogcatcher...

I will NOT vote for the Former First Lady.

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[BillZBubb]

58. Fear! Fear! Fear! Vote for the corrupt Democrat because the repub is evil!

Sorry, that stuff is no longer convincing. A number of the things on your list have been Hillary positions in the past.

How about a list of the crap Hillary would do as president? She's the neocon darling, so a war or two aren't out of the question. She's all in for big trade deals that decimate America's middle class. She's not a firm defender of Social Security and Medicare. She'd compromise to "save" them. She's was for a wall before she was against it. Same for gay marriage.

Those things matter to me. And, no matter who is president I will fight for the country to do the right thing.

If you vote for Hillary in the primaries, you have voted to help elect trump. That's your fault, not mine.

[NV Whino]

59. Run away! Run away! Fear! Fear!

[bigwillq]

60. I plan on voting all DEM

Downticket

I live in CT

[closeupready]

61. You don't know me. Appreciate you not making fucked up assumptions about me, thanks.

[QC]

62. Looks like today's snarking points memo has gone out. n/t

[Buns_of_Fire]

63. HRC Ad #206: BARNEY (00:15)

BARNEY theme song ("I love you, you love me...&quot in background.

[center]FADE IN[/center]

[center]BARNEY[/center]

Hi, kids! It's your friend Barney! I sure am glad to see you! I've got something very, very important to tell you!

In a little while, your parents are going to choose a new President. This is very, very important!

There's a bad, bad man who wants to be president. And you know what? He hates dinosaurs!

But there's a very, very nice lady who wants to make me safe. Her name is Hill-a-ree Clin-ton. She will save me! You don't want to see the bad, bad man hurt me, do you?

So run to your parents RIGHT NOW and tell them that they MUST vote for Hill-a-ree Clin-ton!

[center](BARNEY FROWNS)[/center]

Or I won't like you any more...

[center]CU BARNEY[/center]

...and I'll come to you house one night and EAT YOU UP!

BARNEY waves good-bye, theme music up in background

[center]BARNEY[/center]

Bye bye, boys and girls! Remember what I said!

FADE TO BLACK; HRC logo on screen

[center]-END-[/center]


"How's that, Mr. Brock?"

"Okay. Schedule it for every Saturday morning between now and November, all networks. Can you digitize some blood on his teeth there at the end?"

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

64. No. All those things matter to me.

And, I'll be voting for the most progressive candidate on the ballot who agree with me on them.

[Oneironaut]

68. Agreed.

Hillary is a corporate, career politician hack, but no sooner would I stab myself in the face with a hot poker than abstain from voting. Trump is a lunatic, and is frankly, frightening to world peace.

Don't sit this one out, even if you feel (like I do) that your vote is betraying your core principles. The lesser of two evils in this situation is like comparing a minor scuff in your arm to a flesh-eating virus. Get out there and vote!

[jack_krass]

94. You don't consider HRC a threat to world peace?

Based on her statements and interviews, her actions as SOS, and who her mentors are (Kissinger) I believe HRC is *itching* to start war(s). I truly believe she'd rival GW in hawkishness.

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[nadinbrzezinski]

69. Fear, fear, let me tell you something

I mean this, negative posts of what does not matter to people, are going to get you nowhere.

[840high]

81. Right. It has the

opposite result on me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. At this point I just smile

[pdsimdars]

71. The democrats can choose who they think is the best candidate to make thier case.

If the Democrats choose a weak candidate with low favorability who is also bad on the issues, it is their fault for choosing that bad candidate. No one else's. They have the freedom to present who they feel is best. Don't blame anyone else for your poor judgement and bad decisions. That is what you are trying to do. Be accountable for your own decisions and stop trying to blame others.

If you choose a losing candidate, then it is YOU who apparently don't believe in all those issues you listed.

[pdsimdars]

72. And you should answer this question, since you presumed to ask us a question.

So, why are you supporting Hillary? Are you a closet Republican too?

.

[Avalon Sparks]

73. Fringe issues don't matter to me

And your list has a bunch of them.

[ozone_man]

76. Social Security, Wars without End, Goldman Sachs are my issues.

How does Hillary fare on those issues?

[lostnfound]

77. If you don't vote democrat then vote republican

Because people here seem to think that those who refuse to vote are worse than those who vote GOP.

[PowerToThePeople]

83. Sorry. No, I am not.

They knew years in advance that I would never vote for Hillary.

Obama won based on an extremely progressive message in '08. Did they think all those voters would magically become neo-cons?

If she becomes the nominee, they get what they deserve.

She should never have run.

[RiverLover]

87. Agree. A thousand times, Yes, this is true.

Its so frustrating.

[Sky Masterson]

85. I live in Kansas so my vote for President is mute

That said, I wouldn't have voted for her anyways.
This post sounds more like a Blackmail threat than a GOTV thread

[dana_b]

88. and the most judgmental and ill informed post of the day goes to...

well, I guess the day is still young.

[Vote2016]

92. That may be true down ballot, but it's only true in a couple of states for the top of the ticket

[Broward]

95. Did you vote for Bernie? If not, big mistake.

[BainsBane]

98. I'll go further

It means they want to see much of that happen.