Delusional Hillary promising old suckers free healthcare beginning at 50...Or is she? Who knows?

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

It's the ever equivocating Hillary who has no compus. But desperate old people eat this shit up. Tell the old people more lies, they'll fall for it.

Hillary Clinton Says She’s Weighing Medicare for 50-Year-Olds

Hillary Clinton has spent months berating rival Bernie Sanders for proposing a single-payer, government-run health-care plan, sticking to her more modest proposals aimed at lowering costs and saying she has no interest in another nasty legislative battle over health care.

Now, as she tries to close out her primary contest against the Vermont senator, she is floating a new idea: allowing people as young as 50 to buy into Medicare, the health plan that serves those ages 65 and up.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/05/10/hillary-clinton-says-shes-weighing-medicare-for-50-year-olds/

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. It's...

It's only 5:29 A.M. on the West Coast so I am a bit bleary eyed.

I saw this headline:

Delusional Hillary promising old suckers free healthcare beginning at 50...Or is she? Who knows?

and thought i was at Brietbart.

[UglyGreed]

2. Yet you support a Republican lite

Third Wayer. Courting Jeb donors stating Hillary and Jeb believe in the same principles. Might as well go all way you are more than half way there.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

3. Hillary supporters taught me how to shame demographic groups right here at DU

I'm just a fast learner.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. If Clinton supporters taught you how to drink petrol would you drink it?

Being a "fast learner" and all.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

13. You really are brain dead this early in the morning

What's next, a knock-knock joke?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Not as brain dead as ...

[bahrbearian]

46. Is that what you guys drink. I thought you drank the Kool-aid

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. I sincerely hope you don't think what you wrote is remotely funny.

[Baobab]

56. They will have to go overseas to get it. Or throw our doctors and nurses under the bus to maintain

Profits for the insurance and drug monsters.Globalization and a guest worker system thats been compared to slavery will make it cheaper for the payers. But that profit wont trickle down to doctors or nurses or lower prices. The whole point of this insanity is to prevent falls in prices.

[oberliner]

4. "Delusional Hillary" ? Wall Street Journal articles?

What website is this?

[Armstead]

12. I think the OP is being ironic

You know...Clinton and her supporters have been bashing on Bernie's plan to provide healthcare as "unrealistic ponies" and now she proposes a variation of the same thing to pander to the middle age demographic....

But not really proposing it, just sorta thinking about it, maybe perhaps in typical legalistic waffling designed to make voters think she might, but giving herself plenty of wiggle room if she needs to change her position for a different audience

[bettyellen]

60. disappointing to see you make excuses for this ugly OP.

[Armstead]

62. Not making excuses. Just explaining intent

Actually it was none of my business, and should have left it to the original poster to explain. Oh well.

[Ferd Berfel]

63. Remember the carnival con games?

"Round and Round She Goes, where she stops nobody knows."

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

16. It's in WSJ so it didn't happen? Lol you people are pathetic

[oberliner]

35. Why not use an article without the Wall Street Journal right-wing spin?

For example this one from the NY Times on the same topic:

Hillary Clinton Takes a Step to the Left on Health Care

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/us/politics/hillary-clinton-health-care-public-option.html?_r=0

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

38. Cool. NY Times link here^

Doesn't matter. People here struggle with hyperbole. Obviously, it's lost on you, too.

[Armstead]

53. This epitomizes the basic problem with Clinton

If she actually believed in this proposal -- Why the hell didn't she state it clearly at the start, and press for it instead of ignoring that option and bashing Sanders idea of opening up Medicare as an unrealistic pony?

That is a very important shift in her position.

One could reasonably argue that it is a reasonable approach as a step. IMO it's a half measure, but at least it's something.

But the fact that she is only trotting it out now indicates that she'll say anything to pander to Sanders supporters and close out the primary. It also indicates that she'll only broach anything like this when absolutely necessary for political purposes.

Worse yet, she's doing it in her usual "this but that...it's worth maybe considering..." style. Couching it in such vague and oblique terms that people can take whatever they want from her statement. She supports the idea, but not really. ...That allows her to walk it back in the General when she wants to seem more "moderate" to appeal to the conservatives.

[Hiraeth]

5. I was married to a pathological liar. After awhile, I quit asking questions and saw a divorce lawyer

[RiverLover]

9. +1

Unfortunately.

[Hiraeth]

11. Now, I can spot one at a thousand paces.

[LexVegas]

6. First the minorities were "low information"....now its "desperate old people". nt

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

19. Over your head. I guess, now it's you

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. As an unbiased observer I actually gave Lex Vegas that round.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. That's how they roll.

[Agschmid]

7. This OP is bullshit.

[Armstead]

14. I think its intended to be

A take-off on all those "pony" attacks on Sanders for proposing what Hillary is now semi-proposing a variation of

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Then it failed.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

26. If you're still posting here, I nailed it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. I also slow down to see car wrecks.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

22. What? It's pie in the sky for old people? Every one like desert

[cwydro]

48. Your spelling really could use some improvement.

Just sayin'.

[Skwmom]

10. What she is offering is delusional BECAUSE the system needs lots of younger people who use little

healthcare to make if financially sustainable. Adding a bunch of 50+ people would only dig the hole deeper.

[NorthCarolina]

23. TPTB would love nothing more

than for all social programs to fail, and to fail miserably so they can rid America of them entirely.

[Skwmom]

58. I think they are running up the debt to destroy the safety net.

[bettyellen]

61. because Dems and the Clintons in particular do shit like run up the debt? LOL.

What an uninformed bit of wild speculation.
Disgusting thread, btw.

[NCTraveler]

17. Calling highly intelligent women "delusional" is a winning strategy.

Is this some Brietbart shit? The attacks from the right are getting out of control.

[ViseGrip]

24. He should stick to the compass, as in 'moral' compass. She is certainly intelligent enough

to create all these schemes, foundations, set up speeches, have total control of what she says.....you can't do all that if you are stupid.

But the op is on the right track with the 'compass' issue for sure.

[NCTraveler]

33. +1 I agree with that.

But they can't help themselves. The hate is so strong they blow up their own arguments and show their true colors right out of the box.

We recognize the verbiage. It's clear.

But I do agree with what you have written here. I'm going to assume that is because your ideology is based in progressive/socialist thinking.

That is not the direction these hit pieces are coming from and they almost always let the hate shine through letting us know who they truly are aligned with.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

25. No, it's DU, where Hillary supporters have always believed they deserve special treatment.

[NCTraveler]

28. I don't feel I need special treatment.

Im fighting for equal treatment in society and in the eyes of the law. I'm simply telling you that promoting the thought that Clinton is delusional is straight from Rush and dumb as fuck.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

34. Funny thing about DU, individuals never represent the whole. I guess you give your team a pass and

never ask them to raise the level of discourse here. That is exactly what I'm talking about. That, and Hillary's half-hearted Bernieisms.

[NCTraveler]

40. I'm asking you to raise the discourse.

Calling highly intelligent women delusional isn't raising the discourse. It's making this place look like a Rush site.

[bahrbearian]

50. Sure, no special treatment.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=279260&sub=trans

[NCTraveler]

57. Correct. I expect no special treatment.

I also don't have much of an issue with the hides. I think it's pretty shitty that calling the Pope a bigot now garners a hide here. Literally, calling a bigot a bigot gets a hide. That is how far the rightward move has gone here.

I was given no special treatment. The rules are in place for all. Nice deflection.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=152878&sub=trans

[boobooday]

27. And a pony, don't forget the pony

Or was it a unicorn?

[DookDook]

45. My tinfoil hat theory: They use ponies so that it also invokes the idea of 'bronies.'

And all the weird negative stereotypes that go along with the 'bronies.'

Personally, I've never understood being angry at a group of fans of a show that all seem to respond to any negativity with, "Well, we'll just love and tolerate you back.

[boobooday]

59. They are offended at the thought that the peasants might think they are worthy

Bloomberg's daughter has like 21 show horses.

Bronies are alright by me too. It's better than worshipping violence like the capitalist media want young men to do.

[djean111]

30. How is buying in to Medicare equal to free health care?

Also, my grandson, 21, knows Bernie is not talking about "free" health care, Bernie is talking about health care paid for by taxes. And he is all on board for paying more taxes, for single payer. Actually, he believes taking some of the incredible amounts of our tax money that the MIC sucks out of our pocketbooks would pay for it, too.

[mmonk]

31. I'm 60 this year. Your OP title made me want to go back to bed.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

36. Perfect! Ever wonder what young people feel like when old people, including Hillary herself, shame

them for 10 months. You need a nap.

[mmonk]

37. I'm not a Hillary supporter.

[cwydro]

49. Ageism is so progressive.

Smh.

[Kilgore]

32. It's too late in the day for us trolls in Mumbai to deal with this

Please post all hillary bashing early in your evenings sure we will be fresh when responding.

Thank you.

[MineralMan]

39. "Old suckers?"

Oh, well...

[drm604]

52. I know, right?

And this person apparently believes that they'll sway people's opinions by talking like that.

[spinbaby]

41. If she's serious about this, she gets my vote

Health insurance is a huge deal for those of us not quite Medicare age yet.

[NewImproved Deal]

42. She'll say anything. Hillary Clinton can't be trusted.

Can't be trusted...

[link:|

[EndElectoral]

43. Another one of those black holes "she's looking into it"

[book_worm]

44. You sound awfully young

[deathrind]

51. Windsock Politics...

As only HRC can do. She is better at it than Romney.

[WhiteTara]

54. Medicare is NOT free

I am on medicare and it costs every single month. It's a great idea to expand to 50 year old people.

[jzodda]

55. Ageism in the FUCKING title?

What has happened to this place? Has it devolved into a place where insults to large demographic groups are ok? I mean old suckers? Fucking really?