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Csainvestor

(388 posts)
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:30 PM May 2016

America's middle class is shrinking almost everywhere - - Thanks Obama?

America's once-mighty middle class is shrinking all around the nation.

The share of middle-income households declined in 90% of the country's 229 metro areas between 2000 and 2014, according to a new report by the Pew Research Center, released Wednesday.
The middle class contraction is also happening on a national scale. Overall, some 51% of Americans lived in middle class households in 2014, down from 55% in 2000.

Is Obamacare going to get cheaper next year? Will those 30% increases next year in obamacare help the middle class?
Will the TPP help the middle class? Are all those new Uber jobs helping the middle class?

The Billionaire class more than doubled their net worth during the same time period.

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America's middle class is shrinking almost everywhere - - Thanks Obama? (Original Post) Csainvestor May 2016 OP
That fucking Obama. nt LexVegas May 2016 #1
There will always be a "middle class" tularetom May 2016 #2
So you regret that Rmoney wasn't elected President? workinclasszero May 2016 #3
Gee, where did the 'Thanks Obama' narrative originate? RW propaganda machine. blm May 2016 #14
IKR? workinclasszero May 2016 #15
It will be much worse soon if Clinton is nominated and elected because of her globalization of servi Baobab May 2016 #4
Modern slavers in drag as Champions of Freedom...[n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #6
Do you want a race to the bottom on wages? Thats what they want. Baobab May 2016 #8
Not at all. They want to turn the United States into a third world economy. [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #10
Same thing: Hollow out the distribution curve. Baobab May 2016 #12
Mine went up, so not likely onecaliberal May 2016 #5
GOP/BushInc rigged the financial system before, during and after they crashed it for everyone else. blm May 2016 #7
The shrinking of the middle class is a product of neo-liberal economics. PufPuf23 May 2016 #9
Well, it started about the time the party was sold to teh KOch Bros Ferd Berfel May 2016 #11
Gee, CSA, what happened between 2000 and 2014 that could have predicted this outcome? blm May 2016 #13
Right blame the president Demsrule86 May 2016 #16
Nah, Obama is the target the RW propaganda machine has been using to pin the blame for blm May 2016 #17
I can't understand how Democrats Demsrule86 May 2016 #18
The OP of this thread is taking the shots at Obama. blm May 2016 #19
FOH. JaneyVee May 2016 #20
Is that the same as FOT? blm May 2016 #21

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
2. There will always be a "middle class"
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:34 PM
May 2016

The parameters for defining it will change as incomes drop across the country.

blm

(113,041 posts)
14. Gee, where did the 'Thanks Obama' narrative originate? RW propaganda machine.
Thu May 12, 2016, 03:34 PM
May 2016

Nice touch that he not only shifts blame for economic collapse to Obama, but, tosses in a note of 'concern' about Affordable Care Act, as well.

Sometimes they just out themselves.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
4. It will be much worse soon if Clinton is nominated and elected because of her globalization of servi
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:37 PM
May 2016

Companies will either gain profitability or lose out (but either way most American will lose) due to new changes - in some cases 20 years in the making- that allow foreign subcontracting and staffing firms to operate here with their workers from home and pay them at home wages. So they will be able to dump their existing workers and use foreign subcontractors who might have advanced skills but be paid almost nothing.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
8. Do you want a race to the bottom on wages? Thats what they want.
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:28 PM
May 2016

The increased profits wont get passed on to anybody or spent, and millions of Americans will be out of work.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
12. Same thing: Hollow out the distribution curve.
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:00 PM
May 2016

Technology eliminating jobs to many seems to in their eyes mean no more middle class anywhere in the world eventually. But, I think that is a fallacious argument based on greed.

Wealthy people are not all of like mind on this but unfortunately, the Clinton administration is pursuing a global strategy that was mapped out 20 years ago which makes a number of clearly wrong assumptions about the rate of change, they underestimate the rate f change ad overestimate the duration of the profits in developing countries to be gotten by trading away our jobs here. And its likely a huge mistake. They can stand on their own.

In the final analysis its just greed.

I have had this argument with people countless times, their argument is why educate workers when they will need a PhD and several published papers, plus years of unpaid experience just to get any job. The comment that sticks in my memory the most was a flip ""it just gives people unrealistic expectations".

The problem is, that logic really doesn't hold wter because education gives people the tools to have ideas that likely can and will create economic activity and wealth. Its like they want us ALL to screw up really badly, in order to falsely "justify" what they already have been doing/decided to do.

blm

(113,041 posts)
7. GOP/BushInc rigged the financial system before, during and after they crashed it for everyone else.
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:03 PM
May 2016

Thanks, Obama, MY ASS - your post is utter BULLSHIT and crafted like the TeaParty to point blame to the WH that has done the most to keep the economy stable while the ASSHAT TRAITORS of the Republican party work every day to obstruct Obama's administration in every way possible.

Thanks, Obama, my fvcking ass, Mr 'Investor'.

PufPuf23

(8,764 posts)
9. The shrinking of the middle class is a product of neo-liberal economics.
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:44 PM
May 2016

So while I consider POTUS Obama a good POTUS having taken office in a very difficult time, POTUS Obama is a neo-liberal and has employed neo-liberal advisors and supported continued (by Reagan Bush Clinton and GWB) neo-liberal legislation, notably ACA.

One way to recognize neo-liberal economic policy is that all economic choices are pigeon holed into monetized, securitized, and privatized business opportunities.

This may work for all in theory but in practice entrenched power and moneyed interests concentrate wealth, income, and assets and mostly this transfer is from the middle and working classes and the elderly and disabled retired.

As an example we get mandated health insurance and guaranteed profits for health insurers rather than guaranteed access to health care.

All the western industrialized nations do health care better (and so did some dictatorships like Gadaffi in Libya)

• Education and medical treatments was all free in Libya. Libya can boast one of the finest health care systems in the Arab and African World. All people have access to doctors, hospitals, clinics and medicines, completely free of charge.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-884508

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
11. Well, it started about the time the party was sold to teh KOch Bros
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:50 PM
May 2016

and Saint Ronnie was in the WH but it took a huge leap with this

blm

(113,041 posts)
13. Gee, CSA, what happened between 2000 and 2014 that could have predicted this outcome?
Thu May 12, 2016, 03:30 PM
May 2016

Invested in the 'Thanks Obama' narrative, eh? Distracts blame away from Bush and the GOP, eh?

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
16. Right blame the president
Thu May 12, 2016, 03:44 PM
May 2016

even though he as a right-wing Congress that is calling the shots...what Obama is not 'pure ' enough for you?

blm

(113,041 posts)
17. Nah, Obama is the target the RW propaganda machine has been using to pin the blame for
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016

the wrecked economy he inherited from Bush.

Didn't you think the shot the poster took at ACA was clever, too?

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
18. I can't understand how Democrats
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:55 PM
May 2016

would believe if the ACA fails for any reason, they will get single payer...they won't but people will die. The GOP does not want any health period. I am going to look and see which poster took the shot at ACA. My kid is on it as we have a grandfathered in work related policy and she aged out. It works well too. Obama saved this country...one day people will talks about him like they talk about Roosevelt. If Obama could run again he would win ...just like FDR.

blm

(113,041 posts)
19. The OP of this thread is taking the shots at Obama.
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:31 PM
May 2016

I guess he figured he could get away with it in the GD-Primaries forum.

Trumpanzee.

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