NOT a "loyalty oath" or pledge, or a "demand", just curious as to where we currently stand.

[Nye Bevan]

63 votes, 12 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	I support Sanders and will NOT vote for Hillary in November if she is our candidate
	37 (59%)
	I support Sanders and WILL vote for Hillary in November if she is our candidate
	10 (16%)
	I support Hillary and will NOT vote for Sanders in November if he is our candidate
	1 (2%)
	I support Hillary and WILL vote for Sanders in November if he is our candidate
	15 (24%)
	I intend to vote for Donald Trump in November
	0 (0%)
	I intend to vote third party in November
	0 (0%)
	I will not be casting a vote for president in November
	0 (0%)
	12 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[Warren Stupidity]

1. Just a loyalty oath pledge and demand.

[mmonk]

2. .

[kerry-is-my-prez]

28. Oh puhleeze. I've been waiting for someone to poll for this. Are you ashamed of your choice?

Don't get why people object to this. Where does it tell you you need to take an oath or demand your loyalty? You should be proud of your choice, not embarrassed.

[Amaril]

62. Because people are genuinely afraid

of winding up purged. There have been Hillary supporters who have openly admitted that they are capturing screen shots of everyone who "likes" posts that are not in support of Hillary. What do you think is going to be done with a poll such as this?

No thanks. I abstained.

[JPnoodleman]

3. Hillary hasn't earned my vote as of yet. n/t

[Vote2016]

55. Don't trust her. Need to see a good platform, party rules and DNC reform, progressive running mate

[Joob]

4. There's plenty that Hillary has done that I don't like but the transcript thing really irks me.

"I'll look into it."
"I'll release the transcripts when others release theirs"

It really bothers me she won't just say no. I won't release them.
Or that she literally said "You got to ask yourself, why does he not release them" she makes it seem like she's hiding something herself! agh. I don't understand why she just doesn't say no, why play with us?

Demeaning. It's very hard to trust her and she makes it harder to trust her.

[morningfog]

5. Bzzzzzzz fly paper!

[Blue_In_AK]

6. I support Bernie.

How I vote in the general is irrelevant since Hillary won't take Alaska if Jesus himself is her VP pick.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

29. Alaska???? No Democrat can win that state plus they don't have that many electoral votes.

[Blue_In_AK]

36. Three to be exact,

and a Democrat hasn't won a presidential election here since LBJ in 1964. That's why I refuse to feel guilty for my Nader vote in 2000.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

65. Lol! Anyone who can survive in that weather and put up with the Palins should be excused!

Being from Florida, I cannot fathom.

[Blue_In_AK]

66. Actually, our weather in Anchorage isn't bad at all,

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especially since climate change. It very seldom goes below 0 in the winter and we've been having beautiful summers. It's in the 70s right now. In anchorage we don't get floods or tornados/hurricanes, or blizzards or hail, any of that, just an occasional little earthquake. I love it.

As for the Palins, we don't see much of Sarah since 2008 and we just laugh at the exploits of the others.

[catnhatnh]

7. I hear that some people will be writing in Bernie Sanders

It seems to me it would be a good thing, if the "democrats" make Clinton their candidate, for the party to see millions of write in votes for a candidate they wrote off as "unelectable".

[Nye Bevan]

8. I believe such ballots are generally discarded as "spoilt ballots",

so nobody will have any idea how many voters did this.

[catnhatnh]

10. I was of course shocked

to find out you are completely wrong.

"Write-in requirements

New Hampshire state law does not require write-in presidential candidates to file any special paperwork in advance of the election.[20][26]"


https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_requirements_for_presidential_candidates_in_New_Hampshire

But thanks for playing...

[Nye Bevan]

14. So if someone writes in "Donald Duck" on the presidential ballot,

will the vote count for Mr Duck be published in the official count?

[catnhatnh]

16. In most states, yes....

Here are the rules:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/7/21/1404380/-The-Write-In-Vote

Basically only 8 states (including my own) honor all write-ins. 35 others allow write-ins but a petition or filing fee is required. 7 states have no write-in provisions.

And here is a lighter piece on NY write-ins in 2008.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/08/sure-obama-won-but-look-who-else-got-votes/?_r=0

As you can see write-ins are rare which is why even 1 million could be considered a publicity coup...

[Agschmid]

17. Yes a publicity coup, and that's all.

And it won't be good publicity, but as they say there really is no "bad" publicity.

[catnhatnh]

18. I hear that some people

are sick of others telling them that refusing to vote for Clinton is the same as voting for Trump. And a million confirmed write-ins for Bernie strikes me as a good answer to that.

[Agschmid]

19. An answer?

All it means is 1 million people wrote someone in. Add him to the same list as Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck.

The election in all likely hood will come down to two candidates, people protest vote all the time, if the past is any indication it changes very little.

[PeteSelman]

9. I want the perfect medium rare filet mignon.

But I will eat the boiled chicken when I can't have my first choice.

I will not eat a piece of dog shit in protest.

[Fawke Em]

47. In this case, the second choice is dog shit, though. eom

[GoneFishin]

57. Yes. But I am told it tastes better than camel shit which is the third choice. I think I would just

prefer to go hungry.

[Fawke Em]

59. I guess it depends upon what they eat.

If the camel and the dog are both sucking off Wall Street's teat, then I guess their shit are both equally awful.

[GoneFishin]

61. True. But one of them is on fancy paper doilys and has colorful cellophane tipped toothpicks in them

If you have to eat shit wouldn't you like to do it with dignity?

[Xyzse]

11. Not certain, as mentioned before, it's been harder and harder to say I will vote for her.

At the moment, if she does become the Nominee, I think I will still vote for her.

It all depends on who I theoretically think will be able to do less damage to the country.

This involves a lot of factors to me.

-Policies
-Record
-Opposition (Will Progressive values be more active/engaged, dependent on who becomes President)
-Projection of the Future(My own predictions as to what will probably happen)(Is it better to cruise in the Status Quo, or allow someone to push things somewhere even the wrong direction which would force some sort of change)
-Political Favor (Who is behind them)

Most of those factors arguably currently favor Clinton in my view.

I do note, that whomever the President becomes, there are checks and balances that will keep them from screwing things up bad. So to me, whomever the President becomes will set the agenda. I don't know what Trump or Clinton will do in their agenda, which is why it scares me a bit. Trump, since he's an unknown and he hasn't made any actual promises as his agenda seems to be open, while Clinton has been in many many positions in different important issues that makes her liable to bring the country further to the Right as well. Her agenda is much better, however sometimes, with the compromises given, maybe it should have been left alone.

It does not matter if many of her supporters think that she's got this, or it is her time, or that Bernie can't win. She goes in to this fight with glaring negatives that many refuse to address. It is why many Sanders supporters can't help but say, if she loses, it is her fault alone, as those negatives have not really been addressed and they will be addressed come general election. It can't be that just by bringing up her record Sanders or his supporters are being negative, that is merely going after the messenger while ignoring the issue. Her campaign to me has been a constant attack on any one who questions her record, her pandering and actions. That may work on the primaries, but not in the General Election, and saying Trump is much worse, even if true, is such a weak enticement to have someone vote for them.

So yes, I can still say I will vote for her if she is the nominee in the General Election, beyond that would be her supporters' job. I feel like supporting her fully is rewarding her for bad behavior. I do not want to give any sort of legitimacy towards Republicans since they gain it if they get a Republican in the White House, but again, that is because I do not want to reward bad behavior.

[nc4bo]

12. NOYDB. nt

[Yurovsky]

13. No how, no way...

I refuse to support a candidate who has willingly sold out to Goldman Sachs, WalMart, and ExxonMobil. Social and economic justice is non-negotiable. She has chosen who she wishes to represent, and it is clearly not me or people like me. This is on her, not me. I simply refuse to vote for someone who represents interests that are diametrically opposed to the values and interests of working class and poor Americans.

I will vote D down ticket, but unless HRC has an epiphany and reverses course WRT her corporate sponsors, I cannot in good conscience vote for her. I'm certainly not voting for Trump, but I consider her cut from the same cloth when it comes to economic policy. No thanks.

[cali]

15. My vote is none of your business.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

30. Since you are one of the most prolific posters here, I think most of us know where you stand....

[cali]

34. As I don't know, I find it difficult to believe you do.

[Spider Jerusalem]

20. None of the above

my own position is somewhat more nuanced. I support Sanders, and I will not vote for Hillary in November UNLESS she's polling within the margin of error on the first of November. I vote in Georgia. Which hasn't gone for a Dem since Clinton in 1992. I cast my first vote in 1996. Not once have I ever voted for the candidate who won my state. But I'm as horrified at the prospect of President Trump as anyone remotely sane should be, so...if the above condition is met, Hillary will have my vote, otherwise, whether I vote for her or not is kind of irrelevant.

[2banon]

21. Hey Nye, you should just post this poll in the Hillary Group

Not a lot of Sanders supporters will participate in this obvious fly trap. I don't have a way of knowing how many could even possibly "see it" with the Ignore feature in full mode at this point for a number of Bernie supporters..

The results won't actually accurately reflect the du members intentions other than HRC supporters.

Just sayin' this might feel like fun, but it's not going to be indicative of much.

[Rebkeh]

22. I'm so tired of this question, not just from DU either

Here's my honest answer:

I'm locked on Bernie. If I cannot vote for him in November, I don't know yet because I haven't decided. And won't until November. AND... it's none of your business anyway.

Stop asking.

[Merryland]

31. exactly. n/t

[PragmaticLiberal]

23. I consider myself a "conscientious objector" when it comes to this election.

Sitting this one out.

[Nye Bevan]

24. Trump: My SCOTUS nominee may try to overturn Roe v. Wade

But "sit this one out" if you don't see that as a big deal.

[timmymoff]

38. your intention of posting this really was seeking a loyalty oath

as your previous post shows. At least you are more transparent than your choice of candidate. Unknowingly of course.

[Fawke Em]

48. Hillary: Will appoint another pro-corporate stooge.

Yes, an anti-choice SCOTUS candidate is bad, but a pro-corporate justice who maintains the economic status quo is JUST AS BAD.

Some of us think we're screwed either way.

[lumberjack_jeff]

25. I don't know yet.

I'm against trade agreements
I'm isolationist in terms of military involvment
I'm for regulation of immigration
I'm against expansion of H1B visas
I'm for single payer healthcare
I'm against economic inequality, I think that it's the root cause of all other social problems
I'm for a higher minimum wage, and $15 seems reasonable
I'm for cheaper RX drugs, specifically through shorter patents
I'm for marijuana legalization
I have been a democrat all my life, but I'm to the point that if I thought a Republican would deliver those things, I'd be that instead.

[bkkyosemite]

26. OH MY GAWD..........NOT AGAIN

[Android3.14]

27. "Not a loyalty oath" in the same way Hillary is "not an entitled corporate puppet"

[Turin_C3PO]

39. The Admins

won't ban you for refusing to support the nominee now or after the primaries.. Now when a nominee is chosen, if you're advocating specifically against the Democrat in the election, then they'll ban you. At least that's how it's been in previous cycles.

[Turin_C3PO]

50. I remember that one

(I had another username then). It was utterly disgusting. Everyone blamimg gay people for everything and telling them to "shut up" about their rights.

[Prism]

56. At least the admins apologized for it.

A lot of the nastiest posters to LGBTers are still floating around, acting as if they played no part in it.

[bvf]

33. And I'm not a DU user.

[joshcryer]

35. Don't know = cowardice

It's not hard to say whether you're voting against Trump. Entitlement at its core.

"I don't know."

Don't waffle, don't equivocate, don't meander. That's literally the hallmark of our likely candidate.

[Fawke Em]

49. You do know you can vote against both Trump and Clinton.

There are more than two parties.

[hellofromreddit]

37. Pass

[Lizzie Poppet]

41. Not voting for Hillary. Full stop.

She comes nowhere near my threshold for acceptability in a president. Nowhere near. Her unsuitability has been made clearer with every day of this shitshow of a primary.

[farleftlib]

63. Hammer head meets nail square on

You said that beautifully.

[Armstead]

42. I put "other" because it all depends on what happens between now and November

[Dem2]

43. Same bunch every time

I didn't vote because I'd vote for either candidate - it's a head vs heart thing for me.

[bklyncowgirl]

44. I don't know.

I've supported plenty of losing candidates in my day. Most of the time I've been able to get on board with the Democratic nominee. I was a Dean supporter but voting for and even working for Kerry was easy--I was heartbroken when he lost. Likewise Al Gore--I voted for Bradley but it was easy to vote for Gore. Other times it was much harder. I was a Brown supporter in 92 but the dirty campaign the Clintons ran against my guy was a real turn off. I could have voted for Perot had he been viable. Instead I held my nose and voted for Clinton. I could see the same thing happening again--I could even see myself working for Hillary if I see signs that she actually gives a damn about people who work for a living. So far, unfortunately I'm not seeing it. Sorry but I'm not on board yet.

[aikoaiko]

45. I will vote my conscience. That's all you get from me.

[MH1]

46. Can you have an option for "Will support the Democratic Party nominee regardless"

for those of us who prefer not to announce a preference at this time. (which might only be me, I dunno, but I think you might get a few more.)

Thank you for your consideration.

[Purveyor]

52. He is making his list and...

[jack_krass]

53. ITS A TRAP PEOPLE!!!!!!! DON'T GET CAU

(radio silence)

[Vote2016]

54. You should make an option for "I'd vote Hillary if I lived in Florida but I don't so I'm undecided"

[Cheese Sandwich]

60. Seems like things are starting to change.

These results are shocking. I wouldn't have expected it on DU. People are sick of being kicked around apparently.

[Amaril]

64. With some posters......

who identify as Clinton supporters bopping about this place, gleefully (seriously, they are positively giddy with anticipation over the coming purge) posting about capturing screen shots of those who simply dare to "like" a post they find less than fawning in its support of Clinton, how can a poll such as this be viewed as anything except an invitation to self-immolation?

No thanks.