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[MisterP]

1. Clintonworld's busy making maps of blowouts that make 1964 look like 1972

and blaming Sanders supporters for bringing things up

[roguevalley]

37. If I remember Sidney Blumenthal was banned by Oama from all of this. Him saying

it doesn't matter is ridiculous.

[leveymg]

53. Finally, big media beginning to pick up on what many at DU have known for more than a year

Even Tweety raised the question tonight: who's going to replace Hillary "if something happens to her." It's already happened.

[CoffeeCat]

79. Strong signs point to Biden

If we are to believe that they are preparing for the eventuality that the FBI finds that Clinton violated the law.

[leveymg]

81. I believe Biden is a placeholder for Warren, who hasn't publicly committed herself.

I think she has more credibility if it looks like she doesn't want higher office.

[CoffeeCat]

82. Interesting

I guess I just assumed that Warren was out. There is a great deal of resentment there between Clinton and Warren after Warren failed to endorse Clinton. There was a lot of pressure on Warren to make that endorsement. Clinton and her usual suspects (McCaskill, Stabenow, Shaheen) took to the media to pressure Warren into endorsing Clinton.

Female senators urge Warren: Back Hillary Clinton
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/268161-female-senators-urge-warren-back-hillary

Clinton never got that endorsement.

Also, after it was clear that Warren wouldn't endorse, Debbie Wasserman Schultz seemed to avenge Elizabeth Warren in early March:
DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz joins hands with GOP in assault on Elizabeth Warren's Consumer Protection Agency

Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chair of the Democratic National Committee, has joined the Republican assault on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren helped create the bureau in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis in order to protect Americans from the malicious practices of the financial industry — particularly banks, toxic mortgage lenders, debt collectors and payday loan companies.
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/01/dnc_chair_debbie_wasserman_schultz_joins_hands_with_gop_in_assault_on_elizabeth_warrens_consumer_protection_agency/

[leveymg]

86. No public ally of HRC can unite the party.

Warren is about the only one left.

[CoffeeCat]

87. What if was Biden

and he immediately announced them at Sanders would be his VP?

Biden's public appearances and his very flattering comments about Bernie (including unflattering comments about Clinton) are the signals that I'm seeing. Biden is so honest, to a fault. He seems to lack the ability to self edit. Did you hear his last interview on GMA? He discussed what a good president he would have made. I think that's Joe being unable to mask the truth.

Biden also reiterated his reasons for not running--and went into great detail about his son. He's also been frequently visible doing fundraising and special projects for cancer research. He's doing everything a candidate would do.

[Buzz Clik]

2. Day 204 of "any day now" FBI email watch

Negative headlines about Clinton’s e-mails have seemed to be reaching critical mass

NEWSFLASH: Headlines don't ever reach critical mass.

[AgerolanAmerican]

5. Close aides having adversarial interviews with the FBI

This means things are coming to a head.

Clintons are already in criminal defense mode.

[Buzz Clik]

8. Coming to a head ... again. HRC hired a lawyer on day 1.

The furor about this is issue to undermine Clinton's campaign only.

[CoffeeCat]

80. The year-long FBI investigation into Clinton's private server

is a fact. So is what she did (had a private server that wasn't even encrypted during the first two months of its existence, didn't turn over all of her work-related emails to the FBI like she was required, violated the FOIA and the Federal Records Act by refusing to use a .gov email which would back up/copy her emails, violated the terms of the 2009 NDA that she signed the day she became Secretary of State).

Those are facts. These actions are Clinton's doing. We didn't to them TO HER. She made these choices.

Talking about what she did, the fact that the FBI is investigating what she did, and discussing what this means for our party--is not about Hillary Clinton. Not everything is about your candidate of choice!

This is about being prepared, as a good Democrat--for the shit to hit the fan. What if the FBI finds that she violated laws? She will be forced out of the race? Don't we have the right to discuss this? I'm a lifelong Democrat and I am deeply concerned.

So many of you are so busy protecting precious Hillary from any criticism, that you fail to see the very real crisis that could upend our entire party.

This doesn't help Bernie, in any way. Hillary won't release her delegates to Bernie. She'll have to instruct her delegates to support someone else of her choosing. But tell me again, how discussing this is "undermining Clinton."

Get it together, people!

[Yurovsky]

10. They are ALWAYS in criminal defense mode...

and for good reason.

FWIW,,if the FBI wants all of the deleted emails, they should just ask the Russians or Chinese, I'm pretty sure they've got copies of everything.

[lagomorph777]

12. Who has the most skilled hackers?

Hint: Ask Sony.

[NurseJackie]

9. Remember "Money Laundering"? Whatever happened to that?

Ahh ... good times, eh?

[Buzz Clik]

11. "Would you vote for someone under criminal indictment?"

These idiots couldn't be more transparent.

[dchill]

54. Which idiots are those?

Cool story.



Bro

[Buzz Clik]

68. These idiots:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511947460

Bro.

[catnhatnh]

25. NEWSFLASH:Tell that to Richard Nixon. N/T

[Buzz Clik]

26. You tell him. I lost his phone number.

[TwilightZone]

35. He won't return my calls

[scscholar]

51. This!

If this was really an investigation, they would have at least interviewed her. Also, there is no video or audio evidence that the ruler of the FBI ever called it an investigation.

[Buzz Clik]

70. These rumors are invented to keep the electorate guessing about a possible indictment.

The only reason.

[Samantha]

72. The FBI always interviews the target of the investigation last

I believe they have interviewed all of her staff and she is next in line. They have the answers to the questions she will be asked. She must answer truthfully because lying to the FBI is a crime. If she cannot answer truthfully because she fears she will be giving the FBI information that can be used against her, she can take the Fifth.

Comey confirmed the fact in his press conference this week that this is an investigation. He said the FBI does not do security reviews, and that word "investigation" is right there in the agency name.

Sam

[panader0]

74. "I am closely involved in the e-mail investigation."--Comey

Back to school...

[Fawke Em]

85. There's no video but there were several dozen reporters there and they all reported the

same thing.

And there are reports that she will be interviewed soon.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LD3EahNwpCs/UJ_KV53sJzI/AAAAAAAAMG0/fyM8LUDfbtQ/s1600/Fingers+in+Ears.jpg

[Logical]

65. About the same as "Bernie needs to drop out" BS

[HooptieWagon]

3. There's nothing to worry about.

She'll find a way to sneak an unauthorized server into her prison basement.

[ebayfool]

4. Pagliano's deleted emails have to be the reason he took the immunity deal.

He is now the weak link they can use to dig out the truth of the matter. They, as far as I can find, do not offer immunity without being given a sample/taste/idea of what can be given in exchange. The man is gonna roll over, imo.

[grasswire]

7. well, also he reportedly lied on his financial disclosure for federal employment.

He did not declare that the Clintons were also paying him separately.

[ebayfool]

14. Yup. They have him by the youknowwhats coming and going!

He didn't wanna do jail time to cover for her, so he grabbed the only way out.

[840high]

29. He better stay off small planes.

[Buzz Clik]

27. Reportedly, nearly 150 FBI agents were working on the case.

Reportedly, an indictment has been imminent for months.

Any day now .... reportedly.

[Matariki]

31. You think repeating "any day now" mockingly is going to make this go away?

Or that arguing with people on DU is going to make it go away?

What do you think the FBI is doing?

I hope to gods she isn't the Democratic nominee. Or at least that this is resolved one way or another before it's too late. And it's nearly too late.

[Buzz Clik]

36. Do you believe that posting the FBI story will make it happen?

Months and months and months.

[vintx]

38. It's called news. People talk about it.

You can keep on wishin and hopin that people will decide it's all nonsense, but as long as the FBI is treating it like a serious investigation you'll be wasting your pointless snark.

[Buzz Clik]

47. Same inaccurate speculation every day? That isn't news. That's controlling the message.

[vintx]

59. The OP is an excerpt from an article on Vanity Fair.

Just because you feel like it's inaccurate speculation does not make it so

[Buzz Clik]

69. And here's a little excerpt about the author, also from Vanity Fair:

Tina Nguyen is a VanityFair.com political reporter who loves concocting epithets for various public figures. Interests include the Supreme Court, the influence of money in Washington, and the occasional high-profile political scandal. She previously wrote for Mediaite, and was nominated for a James Beard Foundation Award in a past life.

Yeah. I'll go with wild speculation, thank you.

[vintx]

73. Suit yourself.

Enjoy the next six months.

[Jarqui]

77. I don't but spending "months and months and months" of FBI time

on "nothing" doesn't seem to add up either.

It's getting harder to imagine "there's nothing here to see" is going to be the outcome after so much effort. There had to be something that kept them going.

Maybe they didn't find much on the server but the Clinton Foundation is the real problem. Who knows?

If someone is relying on Blumenthal's view on this, I think that's a position with a very shaky foundation (excuse the pun).

[Jitter65]

32. But lying on federal employment applications is a sign of a hero...ask Snowden. It wasn't a problem

for him...and he actually stole highly classified information from the government. Hillary's server was more secure that State Department servers, obviously.

[BootinUp]

6. Media loves writing Clinton scandal articles, plenty of fools that swallow it. nt

[Aerows]

45. There are people that can continue a metaphor ...

... and then there is you!

Well, played, dear River Song avatar bearing cyberpj

[Aerows]

64. Some days it seems like

I'm speaking through my funny bone long before my brain got within walking distance .

I'm Aerows there as I am here

[coffeeAM]

15. Like it or not, that will be the problem in the general election

This is proof the Clinton people are putting their ego's before party, knowing full well she is not electable.

[BootinUp]

17. There are plenty of Democrats (in fact a majority) that feel very differently.

Its time to stop with the circular firing squad.

[Matariki]

33. Talk to the FBI

ffs - you think ignoring this is smart? And talking about it is a 'circular firing squad'?

I'm having a difficult time grokking the willful ignorance of her supporters. As if you can bully people into ignoring an FBI investigation of the party's presumptive front-runner. Unbelievable.

[BootinUp]

34. Yes, obsessing over this is looking a lot like a circular firing squad

We have the following clues that there will be no indictment. The POTUS has indicated it in more than one way. One assumes that he has knowledge of the case. The D party elected officials that support her, one assumes they have also had their minds put at ease. The major serious news organizations have practically ignored it. Why? Because their inquiries have resulted in indications there is not going to be an indictment. We have had recent leaks from officials that support that as well.

So who is obsessing over it? Her political opponents and enemies. What does that tell us...? hmmmm.

[NJCher]

88. Well, then

Case closed.

That is one powerful argument you've got going there.

I especially like the point about the major serious news organizations. They're so wise and all, you know. Why, just recently, an Obama was telling us about their investigative prowess.

Cher

[Ferd Berfel]

18. Screw the Party. They're putting egos and Clinton before the Nation

[reddread]

22. just a different kind of loyalty

nobody ever made a buck being a good samaritan.

[Jemmons]

16. There is a slight difference between op-eds and referencing a FBI investigation. eom.

[BootinUp]

19. keep werkin it. lol.

[Logical]

66. LOL, we will see. nt

[rhett o rick]

20. Like a lot of other stuff, there will be no indictment until there is one. nm

[Waiting For Everyman]

21. The next thing we'll hear is that Hillary was interviewed.

That should be any day now. And we'll hear that was nothing too.

Until it isn't. And then it'll be, who could've seen this coming?

[AtomicKitten]

23. Shhhh. It's all a rightwing conspiracy. She was framed. It's been debunked. H8ers gonna h8.

v

I hope ClintonWorld likes surprises ...

[vintx]

39. Unbelievable, but that seems to be their reaction.

Maybe this is part of the reason they seem so desperate and afraid, despite her huge appeal to most American voters.

They aren't really so confident that there's no 'there' there, and basing the future of the country on 'gotta stop Trump' kinda falls apart if she ends up looking like a crook.

[Ohioblue22]

24. Any day now worthy of any freeper

[ViseGrip]

28. And Sid, would know there will be no indictment? Someone would have told him?

If any of that is true, then understand that Sid AND Hillary, are different. Different from you and me. The rule of law doesn't apply to them. I'm not talking about the investigation or her 'emails'. I'm just talking who illegal it would be, for Sid to be PASSED ANY INFO, from ANYONE, while the INVESTIGATION IS STILL OPEN. He's a part of the investigation, and that is abuse of power, IF someone really told him that. Don't make light of this....that Sid would know anything. For if he does, and the way he flaunts his 'sources', they will go to jail. So I don't believe it. Or I have to believe, the rule of law, is just being made a mockery. Fuck you Sid!

[Ferd Berfel]

41. That's the bottom line in this

"Sid AND Hillary, are different. Different from you and me. The rule of law doesn't apply to them....."

They are the elite. She simply cannot represent anyone other than the elite.

[Matariki]

30. I guess Vanity Fair will now be considered 'right wing'?

along with the FBI

[Duppers]

46. Bingo. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

84. And the NYT, WAPO and MSNBC

[vintx]

40. I love this part:

Sid Blumenthal has suggested there’s no need to worry, telling CNN’s New Day on Wednesday that his “understanding” is that there will be no indictment, but he has been known to have faulty intelligence before

[Blue_Adept]

42. It's starting to look a lot like Fitzmas!

[randome]

43. It's going to feel so good when it happens, won't it?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[TheBlackAdder]

44. 52,000 Non-Digitized Pages? Is that sort of like paying a court fine with a truck load of pennies?

.


Granted, you can scan in the documents and run them past an OCR program, but that's only 99.5% accurate.

It also depends on a nice font and relatively clear copies.


.

[IdaBriggs]

67. They were edited. The timeline by Paul Thompson calls it out.

You can read my screed here http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511880685 based on

http://thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_Timeline

SHE IS A TERRIBLE CRIMINAL<== Oh, but it gets better -- I had wondered why she had her staff PRINT off 30,000 emails and then make such a production of presenting them. She knew how to do an email dump electronically (her attorney had copies of the unredacted emails on a thumb drive in his office for months!), so why kill the trees?

The State Department found that all of nine and parts of six emails handed over by Blumenthal (my note: about Libya) were missing from the 30,000 emails Clinton had turned over.

Huh? "Parts of six" -- She had her staff dump the emails to Word, delete stuff they shouldn't have been sending and assumed no one would notice/do a comparison with any other copy!

It's never the crime that gets Washington people in trouble -- it's always the cover up. WHY would she be SO STUPID?

[Tarc]

50. *clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*

[Actor]

52. A desire to see the Drumpf take the White House is what worries me, seems to be lots around here

like that

[floriduck]

76. You seem to think Hill has some sort of Divine Right to the nomination.

At what point did you come to such a conclusion, while 8 or so states and enough pledged delegates to change the landscape have not had their right to vote? You suggest the Democratic process is a vote for Trump when you make comments like that.

Is it not possible that some knowledgable and concerned people see ideological issues with your candidate? Just because your opinion differs with theirs does not license you to draw such a drama queen sort of comment.

[Actor]

83. And who cares what happens to the Latinos, Muslims, environment, etc. I know

[puffy socks]

55. Love the click bait title. lol!

So many of Sanders supporters are sickeningly salivating, hoping she'll get indicted.
I don't believe any if them give a hoot whether she's actually guilty of anything. The hate runs that deep and is reminiscent of the Republican's unwarranted hate for Obama.

[puffy socks]

61. Oh I believe it..

and it's still a click bait title.

[silvershadow]

56. K&R.

[MrWendel]

57. BENNNNNNNNNNNNNN-GHAAAAAAAAAAAAA-ZIIIIIIIIIII!!!!

[Seeinghope]

58. If this all explodes and Hillary goes down resulting in Trump getting elected, it will be on all of

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the heads of the people that voted for Hillary Clinton. Especially the "educated" people that were aware of all of the things looming around her that CHOSE to ignore it all.....many with sheer arrogance, not unlike the Clintons themselves. That electorate will be responsible for a madman who has access to the nuke button in office.

This isn't 1992 and we have a lot more history to look at up close and personal........in real time. Having watched all of this in real time is what makes all the difference in the world in knowing what is really going on as it is happening. It is much harder to figure out when you are trying to figure things out by researching "he said, she said". This time we are watching everything unfold as it happens. So this bullshit of saying it all is a right wing conspiracy is just using an outdated excuse because people think it sounds good when in reality it is just a lazy excuse for lack of research and deductive reasoning.

This isn't the time to be nonchalant or careless in choosing the next President of the United States. Losing the office might very well disasterous for this country. Obama has tried to pull us back from the Bush years but we are still in a precarious position and still need work from the years before that. A mistake being made now would devastate this country. I am not a youngster and I can say this with certainty, this is the most dangerous election that I have ever witnessed. When I see the glib and arrogant responses on some of these threads I cringe at the lack of depth and earnest conviction of attitudes. Like this is some kind of sporting event....well maybe not sporting event, people have more passion about sports.

[jonestonesusa]

62. Spot on!

Surely it's possible to support a candidate without doing so blindly. All it takes is to assess all of the evidence rather than ignoring what you don't want to see.

[JudyM]

63. Exactly right. Wilful disregard on her part as well as her fans'. Nt

[asuhornets]

78. ...

boring: :

[Uncle Joe]

89. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, cyberpj.