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jillan

(39,451 posts)
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:58 PM May 2016

Speaking of Rachel Maddow... anyone remember this? Can anyone tell me where to find this Rachel?

How can Scott Walker possibly run for President while he is under investigation?? Investigated for criminal probe for misuse of political & fundraising money.

How can Rick Perry run for President while he is being indicted for coercion, abuse of power?? Remember he bullied a TX lawmaker by threatening to Veto a funding bill? - He was cleared on all charges.

If they decide to run for President the media will be all over them! says Rachel.
This would be a first to have candidates running for President while under investigation.



Where are you Rachel? We have a candidate that is under FBI investigation for possibly putting US intelligence info at risk.
Which is kinda a big deal. I would say a little bit bigger than misuse of campaign funds, or threatening a veto as political payback.
Yet, Rachel is her biggest cheerleader.
Rachel IS the media & yet she is not all over this story like she said the media would be all over Perry and Walker.
She is mute when it comes to discussing the FBI investigation.
Maybe Hillary will be cleared of all wrong doing. We don't know yet.
But that does not change the fact that we have a candidate running for President while under investigation....not only is she a candidate, at this moment she is the front runner of the Democratic Party Nomination, possibly hurting the Dems chances in November.


Back to my original question. Anyone know where I can find this Rachel? I miss her.


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Speaking of Rachel Maddow... anyone remember this? Can anyone tell me where to find this Rachel? (Original Post) jillan May 2016 OP
Biggest Fraud Exposed In This Election kcjohn1 May 2016 #1
Some of the things she's done to Bernie have been beyond the pale! But I wanted to this thread to be jillan May 2016 #3
In hindsight she was not much of journalist kcjohn1 May 2016 #7
Maybe you're right. I feel in love with her when she was on Air America with Lizz Winstead. jillan May 2016 #11
I mainly listened for Lizz. Hun Joro May 2016 #45
I agree Locrian May 2016 #27
I agree that Rachel is shamelessly in the box for Hillary, bvar22 May 2016 #62
What things...?? Like the FEC calling Bernie camp on the carpet 5 times? Jitter65 May 2016 #18
Rachel Is A $7MILLION/Yr Corporatist "TOOL!" CorporatistNation May 2016 #30
Don't you agree that it's a waste of money having Courts and trials? brooklynite May 2016 #2
Did you go to bad schools? Read the OP again. The issue is one of double standards, the Bluenorthwest May 2016 #40
Perhaps, Rachael doesn't care to attack fellow Democrats/folks on the Left. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #54
So you feel it's fine to have variable ethical standards? whatchamacallit May 2016 #55
Rachael is a partisan. No surprise there. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #61
I wouldn't bring up courts and trials when talking about Hillary if I were you. morningfog May 2016 #50
as a Sanders fan, I wouldn't expect you to... brooklynite May 2016 #56
You are mistaken. morningfog May 2016 #60
A few nights ago, I thought that maybe someone from back-in-the-day Jack Bone May 2016 #4
Yes, she used to be, but as soon as Comcast sadoldgirl May 2016 #6
You saw it too, eh? me b zola May 2016 #31
Kent Jones -- lol -- the OLD days-- far cry from where TRMS is now TheDormouse May 2016 #52
I gave up on her 840high May 2016 #5
Me too. It was too depressing watching a brilliant journalist turn into a talking head. jillan May 2016 #8
+10,000 PoiBoy May 2016 #10
Rachel is unwatchable now. MSNBC sucks beyond all measure these days. I miss Keith Olbermann Vote2016 May 2016 #9
that was 7 Million Dollars ago; as they say, money corrupts amborin May 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton May 2016 #13
Rachel's show program has "evolved" over the last few years. I used to really enjoy her program JumpinJehosaphat May 2016 #14
I loved her on the radio. But she sold her soul for pieces of gold. nm rhett o rick May 2016 #15
Ditto, r O r... MrMickeysMom May 2016 #25
Makes one wonder if the wealth makes one lose their souls or do they always have rhett o rick May 2016 #43
Media pundits that cross the line are gotten rid of. dgauss May 2016 #16
Don't forget Ghost of Tom Joad May 2016 #33
And Cenk dreamnightwind May 2016 #64
You didn't expect intellectual integrity and consistency from Maddow did you? BillZBubb May 2016 #17
Answer: She's at the bank. dchill May 2016 #19
Nicely put. n/r cui bono May 2016 #22
I use to think she had a certain edge, a sharpness that I enjoyed just before she got her show 2banon May 2016 #20
That's a pretty apt description, 2banon... MrMickeysMom May 2016 #26
Just watched her on Seth Myers and he was trying glinda May 2016 #21
She has just become another corporate shill One Black Sheep May 2016 #23
I miss her too. Sky Masterson May 2016 #24
Rachael has no views of her own,she is told what wendylaroux May 2016 #28
Sanders fans can't tell the difference between a criminal investgation & a RW witch hunt. baldguy May 2016 #29
You sure its us? Sky Masterson May 2016 #34
+ 1 JoePhilly May 2016 #35
You call the FBI and DOH RW witch hunters? morningfog May 2016 #51
She started out covering Trump all the time fasttense May 2016 #32
Self-preservation has kicked in. She saw what Comcast did to silvershadow May 2016 #36
Rachel is dead to me now Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #37
Her unadulterated partisanship in this primary was the final straw TheDormouse May 2016 #48
That is one of the reasons I've called her Ms. Selective Outrage. Skwmom May 2016 #38
Email this to her and ask pdsimdars May 2016 #39
Me and Rachel: I loved her on radio so much, became a total fan after hearing her talk about her Bluenorthwest May 2016 #41
Wow. I missed that phase of hers. TheDormouse May 2016 #65
The problem is you bought into the lies, that's why you don't understand. nt BootinUp May 2016 #42
Rachel has been brought to heel by her corporate masters BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #44
Rachel is not the media. Like Jon Stewart, her purpose is to affirm already held beliefs. MadDAsHell May 2016 #46
Whereever she is, it is far, far away from where Melissa Harris-Perry is TheDormouse May 2016 #47
I really wonder how she can sleep with a clear conscience TheDormouse May 2016 #49
A fond long Faux pas May 2016 #53
It was just a matter of time before Sanders supporters threw Ms Maddow under the bus! puffy socks May 2016 #57
She sold her soul, she has been consumed by the evil establishment. onecaliberal May 2016 #58
Look to your right. agracie May 2016 #59
Can we say, "Sell out"? I have stopped watching MSNBC emsimon33 May 2016 #63

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
1. Biggest Fraud Exposed In This Election
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:02 PM
May 2016

I have another for you. Remember a month ago when she was talking about how Ryan was positioning himself to steal the candidacy from Trump in contested GOP convention? She inferred this from ads he ran.

Has she run similar segment for Biden? The guy is out of the woodworks, and he is all of sudden all over tv talking about how he would make the best president. Has she speculated why this could be?

MSNBC has blackout on the possibility Clinton gets indicted. You never here that on that network despite being a real possibility and throwing everything into wack on Dem side.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
3. Some of the things she's done to Bernie have been beyond the pale! But I wanted to this thread to be
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:05 PM
May 2016

about Rachel and Hillary. And how Rachel used to be an amazing journalist, digging deep into the facts, and now she is nothing but 45 minutes of Trump and 15 minutes of Hillary cheerleading.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
7. In hindsight she was not much of journalist
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:12 PM
May 2016

Only seemed that way when you thought she was fighting on your side (I'm guilty of this).

But things are much more clearer now. Easy to pick on GOP and how crazy they are. Has she ever taken on the Dem establishment and the neoliberals? There is so much things on the Obama administration that should have shun light on. Has she taken him to task on TPP? Or about how the Obama drone campaign as accelerated to levels that Bush couldn't conceive of? Or has income inequality has grown during Obama reign? Or how Obamacare outside of Medicaid is just insurance without actual healthcare?

She has role to play and she gets paid handsomely for it. But she is just an actor. Real journalist would expose and bring to light important issues. Fact she plays exclusively on one side tells you all you need to know about her "journalism".

jillan

(39,451 posts)
11. Maybe you're right. I feel in love with her when she was on Air America with Lizz Winstead.
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:19 PM
May 2016

I had to start every morning listening to her.

But it always was about the goppers. Back then it was about Bush/Cheney and the IWR.

Still, I'd take that Rachel over this one any day.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
27. I agree
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:51 AM
May 2016

"Back in the day" when there was less progressive options she looked at least sane and competent. But she's very mainstream and 'knows her place'.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
62. I agree that Rachel is shamelessly in the box for Hillary,
Fri May 13, 2016, 05:44 PM
May 2016

but has taken on The Conservative Democratic Establishment in the past.
Admittedly, this was a while ago, and when MSNBC started another round of firing Liberal, Pro-UNION Spokesmen (like Ed Schultz and Cenk), she quickly move RIGHT to protect her job.
She knows on which side her bread is buttered.
Consequently, I have lost a lot of respect I once had for her.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
18. What things...?? Like the FEC calling Bernie camp on the carpet 5 times?
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:23 AM
May 2016

Like stealing Bernie's donor list and making 24 searches print outs?

like screaming that Bernie is unqualified in front of thousands?

Like not rubbing his face in the fact that he voted for the crime bill he blames on Hillary?

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
2. Don't you agree that it's a waste of money having Courts and trials?
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:02 PM
May 2016

I mean, nobody would be investigated if they weren't guilty, would they?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
40. Did you go to bad schools? Read the OP again. The issue is one of double standards, the
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:26 AM
May 2016

pundit has very often suggested persons under investigation should not be running for high office, but in one specific case the pundit does not say this. This makes the pundit inconsistent. That pundit is the subject of the thread.

Do you think it is acceptable to say 'I am against this' when it is convenient to do so and 'I support this' when that is what suits one's agenda? All things are either bad or good, depending on who is doing them, my allies or my rivals?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
54. Perhaps, Rachael doesn't care to attack fellow Democrats/folks on the Left.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:20 PM
May 2016

Hypocrisy? Double standard? Absolutely. But she undoubtedly trusts that the right is doing a good enough job at attacking Democrats and the Left.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
60. You are mistaken.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:37 PM
May 2016

BUt there are those on the left and right who want or expect Hillary to be indicted. I don't want that or expect it.

Referring to the courts and trials with respect to HIllary seemingly assumes an indictment, which is the preceding step to courts and trials.

Jack Bone

(2,023 posts)
4. A few nights ago, I thought that maybe someone from back-in-the-day
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:07 PM
May 2016

could get through to her...Kent Jones?
Maybe....Marc Maron? Chuck D?

A intervention of sorts...someone that could give her a pause to look at how things are.

She's better than this...@ least she USED to be.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
6. Yes, she used to be, but as soon as Comcast
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:11 PM
May 2016

took over, you could see all of them folding.

Money plays a big role in these pundits' life.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
31. You saw it too, eh?
Fri May 13, 2016, 07:18 AM
May 2016

I got the feeling that when Comcast took over at that same time there seemed to be a falling out with her and Keith. When he left I had no problem dumping msnbc because I thought that eventually we would see Rachel towing water for her corporate overlords. And wutayouknow.

Response to jillan (Original post)

JumpinJehosaphat

(22 posts)
14. Rachel's show program has "evolved" over the last few years. I used to really enjoy her program
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:41 PM
May 2016

and would listen to the podcasts on my long commute to work every morning. But what for me was telling about Rachel was the near absence of any discussion on her program in 2014 concerning the Israel military assault on Gaza that left so many dead and wounded and the vast destruction evident throughout.
Chris Hayes had done several segments at the time but Rachael was amazingly ( to use a word she likes to use often) quiet. If she had fancied herself a journalist, then she was missing the biggest story unfolding at the time. I guess the topic is a little too risky for her.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
25. Ditto, r O r...
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:37 AM
May 2016

on steroids...

She's lost all credibility on these things, but money buys happiness. Unfortunately, when you're a Rhodes Scholar, evolving in these profound ways should make her look pretty bad in the mirror.

Keith probably is disgusted for ever having her fill in for him back in the day.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
43. Makes one wonder if the wealth makes one lose their souls or do they always have
Fri May 13, 2016, 09:23 AM
May 2016

the penchant for accumulating wealth.

dgauss

(882 posts)
16. Media pundits that cross the line are gotten rid of.
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:11 AM
May 2016

Phil Donahue, Keith Olbermann, Ed Schultz come to mind with MSNBC

Others understand how to make a career last. So there's a trade off I suspect Maddow is grappling with. I hope she is.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
17. You didn't expect intellectual integrity and consistency from Maddow did you?
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:19 AM
May 2016

She's a total HillShill. The real Rachel is the one you see. Hillary's opponents get the third degree. Hillary gets a free pass.

She's been a phony all along.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
20. I use to think she had a certain edge, a sharpness that I enjoyed just before she got her show
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:58 AM
May 2016

on MSNBC... during Bush/Cheney's reign of terror.

I never thought she was brilliant. Intelligent and edgy for a bit.

After she clinched a contract and had her own show, she developed this stupid schtick I thought was beneath her, and I had the impression she actually seemed to think she was funny and cute and I'm not sure what else, entertaining I guess.

It wasn't funny or entertaining to me. You know the thing with the cocktails, and other things like she was killing air time with just bullshit.

I thought it was demeaning and wondered why she did that. Was that a directive from up high, or her idea?

So I sort of stopped watching her even when I still paid for cable or satellite. Caught her show on a few occasions, but soon the ick factor would prevail and made it impossible for me to continue.

Then I cut the cord altogether.



glinda

(14,807 posts)
21. Just watched her on Seth Myers and he was trying
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:08 AM
May 2016

to stay on talking about Republicans but wouldn't ya know it, she threw in at the end that HRC was most likely going to be the nominee and depending upon how you vote the country will look very different. Shill shill shill.
IF she fancies herself a "journalist" then she should stop showing so adamantly who she is "promoting". Or working for. Seth really did not try to go there but in her skinny and hyper state she showed that she is under some sort of influence.

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
23. She has just become another corporate shill
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:56 AM
May 2016

covering up deep corruption in the system, and being a cheerleader for the status quo.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
24. I miss her too.
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:32 AM
May 2016

I don't recognize this Shill we have now which pisses me off considering I've paid to see her on her book tour and loved her for years.
Not unlike the Wizard in the Wizard of Oz though her curtain fell open and we see that she is not a person of much integrity.
She is usually polite in face to face interviews and then cowardly attacks once the interviewee isn't around to reply.


wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
28. Rachael has no views of her own,she is told what
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:54 AM
May 2016

views she will have,by whomever pays her many many dollars.

She is a pretty good actress, as she can play a liberal,cool cat with a hipster wardrobe to a tee.

OR ------ she has always been a right leaning corp tool.

In either case,she is sooo forgettable.


 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
32. She started out covering Trump all the time
Fri May 13, 2016, 07:36 AM
May 2016

Admittedly some of the coverage she gave him was to make fun of him. But it was unrelenting and constant. Always the Trump.

Then, about the 3rd Dem debate, she became a Hillary booster. She still talks Trump but more and more she lets us know Hillary is who she is voting for. She had Jane Sandes on her show and failed to ask her one interesting question.

Its the corporate money. She really wants it and she does whatever to get it.

TheDormouse

(1,168 posts)
48. Her unadulterated partisanship in this primary was the final straw
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:10 PM
May 2016

But I'd already been cooling on her show for the past couple of years, and had largely stopped watching during the past year.

Haven't watched a full episode in months, and no intention to going forward.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
38. That is one of the reasons I've called her Ms. Selective Outrage.
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:12 AM
May 2016

She raged about Flint, MI and was silent on the execution of the teenager in Chicago. I find her selective outrage

It makes her rage against Flint, MI appear to be nothing more than a political game and that IS disgusting.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
39. Email this to her and ask
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:21 AM
May 2016

rachel at msnbc dot com

But to answer your question, where to find her, under a big pile of money.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
41. Me and Rachel: I loved her on radio so much, became a total fan after hearing her talk about her
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:35 AM
May 2016

youthful reaction to the extreme bigotry and homophobia of the Republicans, in particular of Pat Buchanan at the 1992 Republican Convention. She said his words had made her cry and motivated her to go into politics.
Very shortly after getting her show, Rachel could be seen giving perky introductions to 'My Uncle Pat Buchanan' on her show, not just once to confront him but regularly, to promote him. He was a regular feature of her show, the very man she's said was such a bigot she'd cried from hearing him on TV, she was putting him on TV over and over again, purveying Buchanan under the Maddow label by her own choice.
That was when I stopped watching her.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
44. Rachel has been brought to heel by her corporate masters
Fri May 13, 2016, 10:38 AM
May 2016

She decided that massive paycheck was worth more than having any personal integrity. I have never understood why people think she's so brilliant, other than she speaks as if everything she has to say is a grand revelation and her audience is a bunch of 5 year olds.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
46. Rachel is not the media. Like Jon Stewart, her purpose is to affirm already held beliefs.
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:29 PM
May 2016

People didn't watch The Daily Show to be challenged; they watched to hear something they agree with. Same for the Rachel Maddow Show.

That's not journalism. That's pay-per-view. That's Netflix. "I already know what I want to see. I already know what I want to hear. Just give it to me."

Her fans want her to speculate that an investigated Republican is not eligible for office.

They DO NOT want her to speculate that an investigated Democrat is ineligible for office.

This ain't rocket science...

TheDormouse

(1,168 posts)
49. I really wonder how she can sleep with a clear conscience
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:12 PM
May 2016

One of the reasons I used to like her was that I thought she was one of the few who seemed to be fighting the good fight.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
57. It was just a matter of time before Sanders supporters threw Ms Maddow under the bus!
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:32 PM
May 2016


It’s unknown whether Clinton is a "target" of the investigation. That term is reserved for people for whom there is substantial evidence linking them to a crime, according to the prosecutor’s judgment.

Clinton said in March that investigators have not told her that she or any of her staff members are targets of the investigation.

If people ask about their status in an investigation, it’s common practice for the Justice Department to tell them whether they’re targets or not, said Lauren Ouziel, a former federal prosecutor and a professor at Temple University Beasley School of Law.

onecaliberal

(32,826 posts)
58. She sold her soul, she has been consumed by the evil establishment.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:33 PM
May 2016

Even if she tried to come back, I would t support it.

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