Do you really want to risk it?

[pdsimdars]

Where are all those people so worried about a Trump Presidency?
Look at the facts.

Anyone seriously worried would not choose the weaker candidate. Period.





(saw this on twitter)

[NCTraveler]

1. In the beginning it was all about the Facebook...

Polls and fuck what the corporate media was putting out.

Now there is talk about subverting the will of the people because of the corporate media.

[tk2kewl]

19. in the beginning it was all about "unelectable"

[NCTraveler]

23. Seems we were right.

Clinton is ahead millions of votes and can't be caught in delegate count.

Solid point.

[itsrobert]

2. Since Bernie is losing by 3 million votes

He is definitely the weaker candidate.

[casperthegm]

6. It helps to look at the big picture

I'm not disputing your numbers. They are what they are.

National polls consistently show Sanders beating Trump and the difference is stark. Those numbers are a fact as well. And that is what matters in the end, as we are trying to get the candidate with the best chance to beat Trump in the WH, correct?


Btw, a big reason that Sanders outperforms Clinton vs Trump is he gets a large portion of the independent vote. You know, those millions of people (the largest voting block in the US) that the DNC typically tries to exclude from the primary process and alienate? Yeah, those folks...

[pampango]

3. Let's just dispense with primaries, check the polls a week before our convention and

then have a bunch of super-delegates select our nominee based on who is most like to win the GE.

We could even temporarily repeal a smoking ban at the convention so that we could have politicians in smoke-filled rooms deciding who our candidate will be.

[1StrongBlackMan]

4. Screw the primaries AND the late polling! ...

let's just Let's just measure the decibel levels of the crowd!

[pampango]

10. The decibel level method - I like it. Candidates stand side-by-side at the convention and

delegates take turns making noise for their favorite candidate - kind of like talent shows on TV in the "good ol' days".

Of course, one problem is that it would favor candidates supported by young people with healthy lungs and make it tough on those with older delegates at the convention.

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. Delegates? ... How undemocratic! ...

Just open the doors and let EVERYONE in ... and if the crowd is too big for the hall ... put a measuring device in the parking lot, too!

[silvershadow]

5. +1. nt

[pdsimdars]

7. This is a reply to all those posts from people whining to Bernie supporters to stop fighting it

and support Clinton. I'm asking them, if they are really serious about not wanting Trump as president, maybe they should start supporting Bernie, the most electable candidate.

Sounds like you really missed the point.

[pampango]

17. I support Bernie he as close to FDR as we have. I agree with his policies. NOT because he leads in

GE polls, IOW, NOT because he is a 'winner' (to steal a Trumpism). (For a long time I supported Bernie when he was not the leader in GE polls and would not change my support if Hillary became the leader.)

The republican base is apparently attracted to 'winners'. I prefer liberals if given a choice. On a liberal scale of 0-10, Trump is a 0 (Pat Buchanan with more hair), Hillary a 7 (good on immigration, climate change, social policies, etc.), Bernie a 10 (good at all that and more).

http://www.democraticunderground.com?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1953367

... if they are really serious about not wanting Trump as president, maybe they should start supporting Bernie, the most electable candidate.

And if Hillary polled better in the GE polls at this point rather than Bernie, would your 'revised' statement be accurate?

... if they (Bernie supporters) are really serious about not wanting Trump as president, maybe they should start supporting Hillary, the most electable candidate.

If that is how you would feel if Hillary polled stronger than Bernie in the GE, then we fundamentally disagree on the reasons why we support a candidate - their policies and what they stand for vs whether they are a 'winner' or not.

If you are in it for the Blue team to beat the Red team, that is fine. I want the Red team to lose too.

[Hiraeth]

36. ^^^ So. Much. This. ^^^

[JoePhilly]

13. + 1

[seabeyond]

8. Yes, we the voters feel Clinton is in a much better position and yes, we are risking it. Clinton won

the primary and will be the one in GE.

[Stuckinthebush]

11. Indeed

All of this talk about who does better against trump is now academic. It really doesn't matter because he has lost. There is no way for Bernie to win. It's over

The denial is deep.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

9. How can she suck so bad? I call bullshit. After the conversation, she'll gain steam.

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[Stuckinthebush]

12. It is BS

No worries.

[leeroysphitz]

15. Maybe but outside the DU bubble Clinton is almost equally despised as Trump. Just the math. n/t

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[whatthehey]

28. People touting this chart never seem to note two things

1) Trump has far higher unfavorables

2) In almost all recent elections, the higher unfavorable has won.

[leeroysphitz]

31. How is that info supposed to be reassuring to anybody on either side? n/t

[whatthehey]

35. Either side of what?

In any event it's not supposed to be reassurance. It's supposed to be inference from data presented. If you seek reassurance, you may want to consider the following though:

Clearly, high unfavorables are not the be all and end all of electability.

Trump's unfavorables are however truly unprecedented and likely to have a higher impact than usual.

No Rep candidate in well over a generation has won without a sizeable portion of the Hispanic demographic, which is growing and registering new voters rapidly. No more than 13% of Hispanics state they even might vote for Trump. GWB won, at least officially and only in the EV and then not by much, with over 40%.

Women have long tilted Dem, and electing the first woman POTUS is likely to increase that tilt.

We don't have a popular vote election. Trump would have to flip several Blue states to win, and keep all Red ones despite some horrendous showings in mainstays like MO, GA and even redder than red UT. It's possible I suppose but at this point looks unlikely in the extreme unless, at a minimum, Trump finds a handler with enough force of personality to drill presidential attributes into his insecure frat boy braggadocio-bloated head, AND Clinton has serious, not trivial, stumbles in the campaign.

And to make this primary related, consider that unfavorables are a function of attacks, which Clinton has seen from the Republicans for a quarter century. Trump himself says he hasn't even started on Sanders yet. Neither have the rest of the VRWC. If unfavorables are your thing, to pretend Sanders' wouldn't skyrocket with 5 months of red-baiting, pecadillo mocking, loyalty-questioning mud is blissful naivete in the extreme. Clinton will get the same of course, but the difference is she already has.

[Hiraeth]

37. It isn't.

[Sheepshank]

42. GW Bush has one of the lowest Unfavorables?

so what is the point of this chart?...it represents electability and governing ability? Apparently not, and there's a good reason those numbers are not reflected the in 3,000,000 vote lead and 100's of Delegate lead, Hillary is enjoying.

[MisterP]

45. when has she ever gone UP in the polls?

[Adrahil]

14. Risk Bernie as the nominee? No.

IMO, Donals Trump would chew him up,and spit him out.

[timmymoff]

22. Do you mean like Hillarity has?

oh never mind.

[leeroysphitz]

32. +1 lol Yeah she's a real closer, isn't she?

[LWolf]

16. Yes. They do. nt

[Triana]

18. YES because They're With HER ... NO MATTER WHAT!

EVEN HILLARY ADMITS Trump can easily beat her in key states:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511950795

[Tarc]

20. Someday, Sanders fans will cease pummeling the equine carcass

Nate Silver rips Trump-Clinton polls in 8-part Twitter rant

[MillennialDem]

21. Yet Hillary fans will blame Bernie supporters if she loses

[-none]

39. And they will be wrong on that too.

Hillary, along with Debbie DINO always blame anyone but themselves for their failures.

[kstewart33]

24. Let's look at the polls after Bernie has been thoroughly vetted.

Hasn't happened and won't happen because Clinton has the nomination.

But the vetting content and poll results surely would be interesting.

[brewens]

30. Hillary's vetting is still in progress if you haven't heard. Results of which may come

down on her soon.

[kstewart33]

33. And Bernie's vetting?

His hasn't even started. Why is that, do you think?

[Mz Pip]

38. Let's look at the polls

after the gazillion dollar negative ad campaign that Trump will run against Bernie. He'll be portrayed as an old quack who sees himself as a modern day Castro. None of it would be true but when has that ever been a factor in political ads?

The GOP have ignored Sanders. Basing polls on pre attack ad opinions is not valid.

[BootinUp]

25. At what point will the Bern Squad admit the humongous fallacy of this argument?

Come out of the bubble already.

[pdsimdars]

43. A Hillary supporter telling people to come out of the bubble . . . . Now THAT is rich.

Pot . . . Kettle. . . much.




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[BootinUp]

44. And how did that address the fallacy of the OP?

[Demsrule86]

48. You think this sort of thing makes any of us consider

supporting your candidate who by the way has lost the nomination..it is almost the end of the zombie primary...and even with Bernies GOP buddies voting for him now that Trump sewed up the nomination won't change that.

[Actor]

26. If we choose the weaker candidate, all the more reason why you must support her.

[NewImproved Deal]

27. Hillary Clinton will never be President...

Why allow the Clinton Machine to drag down the entire Party with this Vanity Campaign?

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[Katashi_itto]

40. I wonder when President Trump will start up Gladiatorial Games.

Maybe build a coliseum in Las Vegas.

[Sheepshank]

41. My real worry would be a Sanders/Trump match up

and all of the Bernie vetting (that so far has been negligable), hitting the air waves with the force of a tsunami.

[hack89]

46. It's too late. The voters have made their choice.

are you suggesting we ignore the will of the voters?

[Demsrule86]

47. No

I think I will stay with the winner who beat the loser like a drum during the primary...and not give him the nomination because he was unable to earn it with the voters. Sorry, overturning the vote is morally reprehensible.