Is it too much to ask that we do not nominate a person who is under FBI investigation?

[merbex]

Is HRC the ONLY candidate we would put up with this for?

This is crazy.

Name another one we would do this for - and it involves National Security issues.

The damn elephant could run ads about this and win.....but it will be Trump tweeting 24/7.

This is crazy, crazier than '68, and I lived through that.

[TDale313]

1. Sigh. Apparently so. n/t

[leveymg]

21. Nixon's White House was under investigation for the June '72 Watergate breakins.

He was renominated and reelected, nonetheless, because of slowness of investigators to release findings and timidity of most of the major news media to pursue the story. That is the closest one can find in modern American history to this.

[H2O Man]

72. Nixon's re-election

committee was under investigation. The White House came after the '72 election.

[leveymg]

74. Upper-level CREEPs and Plumbers had their office in the Nixon White House,

according to History Commons: http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?nixon_and_watergate_tmln_watergate_campaign_conspiracy=nixon_and_watergate_tmln__plumbers_&timeline=nixon_and_watergate_tmln

July 20, 1971: Ehrlichman Announces Creation of ‘Plumbers’
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Nixon aide John Ehrlichman reports that he has successfully created the special investigations unit ordered by the president (see Late June-July 1971). His first choice to head the unit, speechwriter Pat Buchanan, refused the position. Ehrlichman rejected fellow aide Charles Colson’s own choice, retired CIA agent E. Howard Hunt, who has recently joined the White House staff (see July 7, 1971). Ehrlichman turned to his own protege, Egil “Bud” Krogh, and David Young, a former assistant to National Security Adviser Henry Kissinger, to head the unit. Young gives the unit its nickname of “Plumbers” after he hangs a sign on his office door reading, “D. YOUNG—PLUMBER.” Their first hire is former FBI agent and county prosecutor G. Gordon Liddy, a reputed “wild man” currently being pushed out of the Treasury Department for his strident opposition to the administration’s gun control policies. [Reeves, 2001, pp. 348-349]

[Renew Deal]

2. She is the best we can do in 2016

There was a better option in 2008.

That's why people here that advocate purity tests are wrong. Democrats need a strong farm team. The purity police doesn't help them.

[puffy socks]

3. Bernie

should not be the nominee because he LOST
and because he is under investigation by the FEC.

[tonyt53]

6. Why yes, he is losing, and yes, he has FEC problems

[puffy socks]

78. The Sanders crowd is desperate to exonerate him.

Mighty Bernie "God of Bunson" can do no wrong!

He'll simply a mass his faithful troops to get out and vote



and WIN the election!

[EndElectoral]

10. An investigation regarding classified information versus the FEC doesn't put lives at risk!

When we're talking about National Security issues out there it is the kind of thing that is going to be scrutinized much more so by the public.

[leveymg]

15. Neither Sanders nor his campaign is under criminal investigation by the FEC or anyone else

You are misrepresenting the nature of the letter sent by FEC, the most serious issue is donors found to have gone over the $2700 personal limit, and accountings for refunds or disposal of these excess contributions received. These problems are not criminal violations.

[pdsimdars]

52. Yes, people sent in too much money and they have to find those and send the extra back

As opposed to Hillary taking the highest top security information and put it on an unprotected server and now under criminal investigation.

Do the people who bring up stuff like this have any perspective whatsoever?????

S T U P I D !

[CoffeeCat]

30. FEC issues that are nothing more than accounting errors

that can be rectified by giving people their money back.

You're actually comparing that to Clinton and her private, unsecure email server that has been the target of an FBI investigation about the improper handling of classified materials?

Really now?

[highprincipleswork]

34. Lack of perspective equals lack of judgment. Let's get a grip on what is a real priority and what is

not.

FBI investigations are serious, no matter how you slice it.

[pdsimdars]

53. As always, the character of the leader is reflected in the supporters

And Hillary has HORRIBLE judgement. . ALWAYS seems to make the wrong decisions, until the results show up and then she apologizes, again and again and again.

[angrychair]

31. ROFL

He is not under "investigation" by the FEC. We know what the errors were. We know where in the money went. No SuperPACs or dummy companies in Delaware. He made errors that amount to couple of hundred thousand dollars of the $100+ million he has collected.

This not that unusual. You do realize that Obama paid $375,000 in fines to the FEC for 2008 campaign finance issues, right?

[grasswire]

55. that link should be an OP here

Do you want to do it?

[Cal33]

39. Bernie is losing the Primaries only because of crooked means. If it had been a fair

contest, he would have been way ahead of Hillary. In spite of the Primaries, he has
always bested Hillary in simulated national polls, where all are permitted to vote.
And Bernie always won in these polls by large margins -- every single time. This
means that the majority of Americans want Bernie for president. It is only through
the devious ways and means of the Democratic Establishment people that Hillary is
leading in the Democratic Primaries. In short, as someone pointed out earlier, they
are "forcing Hillary down our throats."

Yet, would I vote for Hillary should she win? It's excruciatingly hard and unpleasant
to answer "Yes," since not doing so would mean having as president a Republican,
who would be even worse, and who would lead our nation into even a quicker self-
destruction. Under these circumstances, I see no other choice than to vote against
the greater evil from happening.

Politics have always been dirty, but never as dirty as right now. Hillary would help
to maintain the status quo, and any Republican would only worsen the degree of
bribery and corruption. This has been their hallmark ever since Reagan took over
power in 1980.

Bernie is the only one who has indicated that his first priority as president is to get
at the root of the mess that is plaguing our nation. The other candidates won't
even try.

What a nice situation we are in!!

[azurnoir]

76. yes FEC is going through Bernies Mom & Pop donations with a fine tooth comb - meanwhile

Hillary's super-pacs can rake in dark $$$$$$$$$$ that come from- well no one knows where the come from

[tonyt53]

4. Got news for ya, the one word Bernie associates himself proudly with is a disqualifier

People over the age of 50 remember that word very well. It doesn't not bring back frond memories to a lot of people. Given your age (you said you lived through '68), you surely recall what we all lived through. Mother Jones had an article about two weeks ago about this very subject.

[tk2kewl]

9. this over 50 is happy about "that word"

[NewImproved Deal]

14. The more one sees of Oligarchy in action...

...The less "Socialism" is a dirty word.

[link:|

[reddread]

12. only for conservatives, presumably

is that who we cater to as Democratic voters?

[highprincipleswork]

35. Luckily smears and innuendo can be defeated. Which is why that hasn't hurt Bernie among so many

people so far.

FBI investigations? Clever wordplay, personal invective, and so forth is not so successful against this.

For instance, you can call it a "security inquiry", but I guess the agency running the show gets to really say what it is.

[LWolf]

5. Clearly, the answer is yes.

It's too much to ask.

So much for the party and the nation.

[Buzz Clik]

7. I guess this question is going to be asked every day until the National Convention.

[frylock]

47. It's a nice counter to the daily 'Drop out NOW, Bernie!' threads..

don't you think?

[EndElectoral]

8. Unless she is cleared quickly this is going to do serious damage.

If this thing drags into the Fall it is going to be pounded on by the right.

If she is indicted, the election is over - regardless is she is found innocent or not.

What a mess.

[merbex]

17. Yes, I want it cleared up one way or another because no activist

should be asked to defend this......waiting for a shoe to drop.

Just finish already Mr Comey.

It is not fair to the country to have this question hanging out there with no resolution.

[pdsimdars]

56. It is not Comey's fault that Hillary acted in such an out of control manner.

He just wants to get it right, or they will get away with it again.

[onecaliberal]

54. Trump is going to pound on it regardless of what happens.

She put national security secrets on an unsecured server and other countries gained access to them. For fucks sake why don't people give two shits about this. These facts are NOT in dispute.

[NewImproved Deal]

11. Dank memories of her Husband's sleaze...

Why drag America through the Clinton Cesspool again?

[link:|

[Progressive dog]

13. We even nominated this guy who kept getting

sued for not being American. What were we thinking?
This is sarcasm.

[Bobbie Jo]

25. Right?

Is it too much to ask that we stop legitimizing RW witch hunts?

[Progressive dog]

36. I edited that to add the last sentence

almost immediately. As an actual Democrat, I don't legitimize RW witch hunts, they contain so little substance that they don't deserve a serious reply.

[Bobbie Jo]

43. I caught the sarcasm without the disclaimer.

[CoffeeCat]

37. Is it too much to ask that you stop encouraging Democrats to ignore a serious FBI investigation?

This is an issue that affects DEMOCRATS and our DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

This is not a right-wing issue. This is a serious crisis happening within the Democratic party. Our frontrunner and her unsecure, private email server, have been the subjects of a year-long FBI investigation. The investigation is coming to a close and all that is left to do, is interview Clinton.

If the FBI finds criminal wrongdoing and presents a strong case to the DOJ, Clinton could be indicted.

Who gives a shit what the Republicans think about this. This is a crisis that the DEMOCRATS would be forced to deal with while we're nearing the end of our primary process--and several months from a Presidential election.

If the FBI finds that she committed crimes, Hillary would be forced to exit the race. She would never release her delegates to Bernie. So, what happens then? We're only allowed to talk about it when you finally come out of denial about this?

This is not a "security review" nor is it a "right-wing witch hunt." It's an FBI investigation. Try to act like it.

[Bobbie Jo]

42. Wrong

This is what they DO. They dig, they exaggerate, they repeat, and they insist upon attention.

They also rely on the low-information public to consume headlines.

No, this is straight out of the RW playbook and some are all too willing to play along. They're going to FIND something to latch onto, even if it was standard practice for any of her predecessors. This is what they do. This causes her to be in a position to explain and defend, and everyone knows... if you're explaining you're LOSING.

File this one away with the Benghazzzziii and Birthergate.

[grasswire]

61. grow up

you sound like one of Nixon's defenders when the framing for that was "third rate burglary".

educate yourself, or be left in the dust.

[Bobbie Jo]

69. Oh look

Another insult from the home team.

That's all you seem to have left.

If I told you what you "sound like," my post would be hidden in short order.

Educate your damn self.

[CoffeeCat]

66. You really need to do some reading

about what exactly Clinton did. Then do some more reading on the laws governing the proper handling of classified information.

You might also want to read the NDA that Clinton signed in 2009 when she became Secretary of State.

You may also want to look into the laws government email backups/copies that are required by the Freedom of Information Act. Check out the Federal Records Act while you're at it.

I can say without reservation, you have no idea what you're talking about. I've researched all of this stuff. It's very alarming once you begin reading about what she did.

This is not about Bernie losing. Bernie still loses if she is indicted. Don't you get it? Clinton won't release her delegates to Bernie. An indictment won't help Bernie.

Our party will be in shreds.

[Bobbie Jo]

71. I've read plenty, thanks.

Enough to see what this is all about.

We've seen this show before.

Do continue to "research stuff," though. No doubt it will continue to be a fruitful endeavor.

[merbex]

80. You knock on all the doors and convince

Independent voters that this is a non- issue .

Let us know how many doors are slammed in your face or how many times you are laughed at for pushing a candidate who may be found by the FBI to have endangered the National Security of the United States.

Good luck.

[Baitball Blogger]

16. I predict two things will happen.

1) We will go crying and limping to the polling stations to vote for her; and

2) Merchandise with the logo "I told you so" will become popular over the next eight years.

[Progressive dog]

38. I'll bet you are often astonished,

when your predictions turn out to be wrong.
I'll also bet that doesn't stop you from making them.

[Baitball Blogger]

44. I already lived through one Clinton administration.

Still hurting from the "get-things-done" crowd that aren't above destroying the integrity of their own community as long as they get some of the spoils. Can't imagine that Hillary will be any different.

[Progressive dog]

45. I think the Bush administration was after Clinton's,

and I don't think Hillary has ever been President. When you live through the next Clinton administration, you should pay more attention.

[frylock]

48. Good info. You're really on top of things.

[merbex]

19. Over National Security issues? How did I miss that? n/t

[merbex]

22. Are you seriously going to equate the 2 investigations? WOW, I can hear the

scoffing and laughter after a door gets slammed in our faces when we play that card from an INFORMED INDEPENDENT voter who we have to canvas in a swing state:you know, the kind we NEED in a General Election.

You really think people are dumb and stupid don't you?

[Hiraeth]

23. unrec and ignore. good bye.

[merbex]

27. You just made my day so far! Thank you! n/t

[frylock]

49. Sorry I missed those posts.

Lemme guess. They were comparing an ongoing criminal investigation with a letter from the FEC? They've really been pushing that particular Brocking point.

[randome]

24. Someday you'll get your fondest wish.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Sheepshank]

26. The majority of voters seem to understand the bogus nature of this drawn out investigation

it's only the Rabid Right, trying to disqualify the Likely winner of the GE and the Bernie crowd looking for anyway to have him win (other than by the will of the people), that keep pressing the meme.

Another way to look at it...under your scenario, anytime the RW sniffs out a potentially strong candidate from the DEMs...all they need to do is hurry and manufacture something from nothing and get that precious investigation going.

[merbex]

28. How much do you actually know about this?

2 or 3 Federal judges trying to get records that belong to us, the American people.

An FBI investigation.

Classified information on a PRIVATE SERVER. 22 so TOP Secret we can't see it in a redacted form - meaning completely blacked out.

Someone has immunity.

We extradited someone from Romania.

But, nothing to see here, move along.

[Sheepshank]

33. How much do you know about the redacted material and the timeline of the classifications?

And I'd be willing to add a private server that seems to have been much more secure (no record of hacking), than the State server (verified hacking).

and absolutely nothing to see here, move along.

[highprincipleswork]

41. So you'd suggest that we make a new policy that all government handling classified material use

their own private servers?

Did you realize that a Secretary of State needs to recognize classified levels of information even if said documents have not been officially stamped as such, and treat them accordingly?

Does it seem right to you that someone in such a high position can simply choose to delete 30,000 e-mails from their official server, saying they are private, and nobody gets to know what those e-mails were? Of course, the FBI apparently has access to them or some of them anyway, so that should get interesting.

The personality traits that cause a stink like this in the life of Hillary Clinton and then get all indignant when caught and called out on it are not good traits in a commander in chief. They really border on delusional, paranoic, etc. And then to meet any inquiry, no matter how valid, with pure invective and personal slander against anyone who brings it up is - that really impossible in any form of government other than a tyranny.

I want none of of it, and it is dangerous. And anybody who acts that way simply isn't working in a rational world where adult people are responsible for what they say and do and must be evaluated accordingly.

[Progressive dog]

46. Does it seem right to you

that someone in a high position has no right to private communications with anyone? That is a rhetorical question.

[grasswire]

64. ridiculous question

you're smarter than that.

[Progressive dog]

67. If you believe that government workers should have no right to privacy

and if you think that is smart, then you can move me to your "not smarter than that" category and put me down as proud of it.

[grasswire]

68. the work product of a government employee...

....BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE. Not to the employee.

Somehow you think that work emails between a Secretary of State and other employees is private??

[Progressive dog]

70. So in your mind, all telephone calls by government employees

should be recorded so that if you want, you can hear them. Who else do you think should be excluded from their Constitutional rights?

[highprincipleswork]

65. Oh they do, and plenty of access to that. But not with government communiques, especially those

that labelled or not should be considered classified. And certainly not with all communication.

I mean, do you want her to do a professional job, or be some kind of footloose amateur?

[Progressive dog]

73. "Should be considered classified"

"Should be considered classified"
The other end of those "should be considered classified" e-mails to government were on a server that did get hacked, apparently by the Chinese.

[merbex]

79. I know that 22 were completely redacted , meaning

totally blackened out and the gov't STILL won't release blacked out documents because even in their redacted form it could endanger national security . That's what OUR government has told us., through press releases to media outlets .

So this is a big deal.

That's a big stick HRC has HANDED to the GOP and its presumptive nominee .

And they will use it. Relentlessly.

Why is the Democratic Party going along with this extremely flawed candidate?

I have no clue.

But this investigation ?

Until the FBI announces its findings - this is a heavy load we are bearing for no good reason.

And another poster is correct: this doesn't mean Bernie Sanders gets the nomination by default either .

It just means we need / the SUPERDELEGATES need a Plan B or C or D.

Something in case the shoe drops.

[BootinUp]

29. How come no one but the Bern Squad is hyper-ventilating over this? Answer:

Because they have ignored all the signals that no indictment is coming down.

[pdsimdars]

60. Got that just bass ackwards.

They keep dropping drips and drops almost every day now, it is Hillary and her supporters who don't seem to get it. Remember, the HEAD of the FBI spoke out and shut down Hillary's nonsense "security review" talking point. That didn't seem like it was supporting what she has been putting out to me.

Wait and see. When the FBI makes its findings known, EVERYONE will be talking about it. Or when Donald decides to open up on it, everyone will be talking about it.

[BootinUp]

63. They also shut down media framed spins. No surprise, No drip, No drama. nt

[dubyadiprecession]

32. She is under a Federal Bureau of investigation investigation?....

Is it being lead by John Ellis Bush Bush? Please clap

[leeroysphitz]

40. It isn't an investigation. It's a security review. Clinton hired the FBI as security consultants.

[bobbobbins01]

50. We're being hit with a triple whammy...

Under FBI investigation
Lack of enthusiasm(remember Kerry)
Shitty platform

If only there was a candidate still running who didn't have these issues, we could actually win!

[Capt. Obvious]

51. It's just a political witch hunt the people don't care about

FBI stands for Fully in Bed with republicans Intent on destroying hillary clinton because sexism

[pdsimdars]

62. Seems more like Capt. Oblivious to me.

[randome]

57. You, too, can be an email hero.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[TheSarcastinator]

58. Up is Down! Good is Bad! Left is Right!

Don't you know that according to Hillarians, the investigation isn't "really" an investigation and that even if it was, it's a Republican smear job (cuz the GOP controls the Justice Department, ya know)????

You need to understand Hillarian logic: the MORE she is under investigation, the more viable a candidate she is! This only proves IT IS HER TIME NOW, you misogynist commie. If she is actually indicted, that only proves she is the PERFECT candidate!

[asuhornets]

75. If we went by your analogy, then Hillary Clinton

should get out of politics all together..Over 25 year of right-wing smears and Hillary Clinton is still standing and winning. That's the part that anti-Hillary people hate. She's winning in spite of..

[azurnoir]

77. I do my 11th grade civics class was watching and analyzing the WaterGate trial

[DonCoquixote]

81. as much as I am not a fan of Hillary

and as mad I am that she did something not quite illegal, but at best, foolish, the fact is we cannot assume she is spoiled because of the FBI.

First off, the FBI has been the tool of corrupt types ever since they bugged MLK in the 60's. We need not paint Halos on them

Second, and most important, we should have no illusions on what the GOP will do to impeach ANY Democrat.

[hz_xlnc]

82. investigation used to equal disqualification

but they were never replaced with any better so meh

[TipTok]

83. That's the running theme for both parties...

Really, this is the best you could come up with?

Look where it's gotten us...