Do you agree or disagree that Hillary Clinton is honest and truthful?

[Attorney in Texas]

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As of May 10, 2016, more than three times as may people find Hillary dishonest and untruthful as find her to be honest.

Do you agree or disagree that Hillary Clinton is honest and truthful?

Disagree 62.1%
Agree 20.3%

[Jitter65]

1. I agree she is honest and truthful but many do not like her answers. If it is not what they want to

hear or what they are predisposed to thinking about Hillary, it must be a lie.

[Buddyblazon]

27. I think her...

changing of positions from one week to the
next is what makes her seem dishonest. It's one thing to evolve over time. It's another to pander for votes. And that's what it looks like when she changes positions so often and so quickly.

She's her own worst enemy.

[roguevalley]

48. I don't think anything but her own ambition matters to her

[BillZBubb]

78. Wow, that Kool Aid must taste great!

[SheilaT]

81. Honest and truthful, as in

claiming she was under sniper fire in Bosnia. Or that the Reagans opened up the dialogue about Aids.

Just two examples of flat-out lies.

She wouldn't know the truth if it bit her nose off.

[TCJ70]

2. I agree that she thinks she is honest in any given moment but only at that moment...

...and that is subject to change in any following moment for any reason she deems as OK.

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. Under oath, or off the record?

[Shadowflash]

4. I disagree

But I don't hold it against her. It's probably a result of having to dodge all that sniper fire.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

5. Is that a rhetorical question?

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. Gosh, Hillary is ahead in another poll.

[NV Whino]

10. Thread winner.

[Lizzie Poppet]

14. *slow, measured applause*

[One Black Sheep]

22. lol. Not only that, she is a landslide winner!

[procon]

7. You seem to ask these rhetorical questions every day.

How's it workin' for ya?

Any converts, learning anything new, changing hearts and minds, perhaps a few nibbles?

[Attorney in Texas]

12. This is a poll result, not a rhetorical question. Do you know what a rhetorical question is?

[procon]

18. Oh, it's a poll. That changes everything... NOT.

Look, here you are, pushing the same daily theme. Yes, today you offer a poll in support of your confirmation bias, but you'd still be tossing out the same concern trollish questions with or without a prop, yeah?

What's your payoff, it takes a lot of effort to be that wrapped up in a politician, so what do you get out of it? Is it just ego and vanity, maybe the daily anti Hillary public service announcement, paranoid that it's the end of life as we know it?

[All in it together]

24. people sometimes like to discuss what is really happening

Sorry it bothers you.

[Attorney in Texas]

26. A poll question is pretty much the EXACT opposite of a rhetorical question.

My comments are directed toward keeping the Democratic party progressive and opposed to letting the party slip into a neoliberal and neocon direction.

You are cheering for a team. I am supporting a set of values.

[BootinUp]

8. Well, if you subtract the mountains of phony scandals, distortions, and exaggerations

of her record, then you have a few mis-statements and flip flops. I rate her as one of the more honest politicians in the game. And just to reinforce the point, the number of years alone that she has been under attack and hated by her enemies says they take her very much by her word and they fear her.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

30. interesting rating and editing system you have there.

[yeoman6987]

35. The sniper story was not a misstate or a flip flop

It was an out and out lie. No excuses. Anyone who can lie like that so easily is questionable. But even with an outright lie, I will still vote for her in November as a vote against trump.

[BootinUp]

36. I gave my opinion on that in another subthread nt

[yeoman6987]

37. As I continued reading I did see your posts

I see some of your thoughts as possible.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

53. Thank god we can vote for Trump the truth-teller.

Well I wont, but some will.

[yeoman6987]

70. Or Bernie the only honest person running.

[That Guy 888]

43. Or, republicans hate Democrats, and their hatred rises with how well known the Democrat is.

They hated Carter.

They hated Teddy and the rest of the Kennedy's

They hate Elizabeth Warren (and will hate her more when she runs for President)

They Hate Barrack Obama, and they hate Michelle Obama about as much as they hated Hillary.

The republicans are a cult of hate and fear. They hate and fear all Democrats except for the ones that lick their boots. Their opinions are tribal, and should not be mistaken for anything more serious. As far as being under attack for years, it might be because she never really left politics.

[all american girl]

9. Right wing narrative has always said she is a liar...

facts says she is not....she is willing to go out on a limb, and be wrong, and admit when she is wrong...I like someone like that...that's me. I'm not the same person I was was 25 years ago...I have become way more liberal. She has always been more liberal me...but being a woman in a mans world, there are many land minds that you have to navigate than men get a pass from.

[Attorney in Texas]

13. Brian Williams got fired as NBC's nightly news anchor for less than Hillary's sniper fire fib.

Brian Williams didn't get a pass.

[all american girl]

15. Oh please....

changing your mind is not the same as lying...all of us have changed our minds as time has gone one...Why is it the Hillary is the only person who can't...Obama did, Kerry did, Biden did, Warren did, Bernie did... but OMG hillary!!!!! give it up. we all do.

[Attorney in Texas]

16. Changing your mind? Really? She said "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be

some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

Then she was confronted with video footage showing that she had lied:





That's not "changing your mind."

Changing you mind is initially choosing the soup over the salad, and then calling the waiter back to request the salad instead. Telling a story that self aggrandizes your duties as First Lady and then being confronted with contrary video footage is not the same as calling the waiter back to cancel the soup.

[all american girl]

17. The thing no one wants to remember was that it was dangerous

there were snipers in the hills, and it took longer to land, and the meet and greet was cut down...but, hey, you like your narrative....cuz you got pics...sorry, if I had my baby with with me, everything would be so dangerous, that's all I'd remember...but have fun having a laugh.

[Attorney in Texas]

19. It is a true or false issue: "we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles." False

[all american girl]

39. Can I ask a question...if things are scary and your kid is there

may you or may your not not remember things wrong....sorry, I know I have. My kids are the most important thing to me and if I had some sort of fear, things would be jumbled...but maybe your are better than me.

[BootinUp]

21. Why do you think this is such a BIG deal?

For all I know her story could have been her relaying a real sense of danger at some point on that trip. Either way it doesn't rise to a level of habitual liar that folks like you want everyone to think it means.

Its not an example of lying about public policy, or lying about some political opponent, or lying about her finances. On a scale of famous American lies it gets a 1 on a scale of 1 to 5. And thats why no one gives a crap.

[Attorney in Texas]

25. How, exactly, is this different from the lie that got Brian Williams fired?

You say no one gives a crap - do you not see that more than three times as many people say she is dishonest as say she is honest? This is people giving a crap. In exit polls, people list her dishonesty as one of the top reasons they don't support her - that is people giving a crap.

People don't generally prefer to vote for liars, and people generally think she is a liar, so therefore ....

[BootinUp]

28. There is NO politician that can't be PAINTED as a liar. That's what you are not getting.

That is why I use a different standard to judge them, I base my determination on their record on policy and job performance and the respect she gets from people she has to work with and has worked with.

I don't have a strong opinion on whether Brian Williams should have been canned. That was his employers decision.

[Attorney in Texas]

31. "PAINTED as a liar?" There's a recorded statement and a contradictory video. No painting required.

Why aren't you defending Brian Williams?

How is his conduct different from Hillary's conduct that you are trying to defend?

[BootinUp]

32. Nice chatting with you, already addressed that. nt

[kstewart33]

23. Lies are those horrible things

that we all do.

[scscholar]

29. Those pictures are not proof. You need to think logically.

They could have been from a different day. They don't prove that on the specified day at that specified location there wasn't sniper fire. She was very clear that there was. Picking a couple of random pictures doesn't prove anything.

[Attorney in Texas]

33. Are you unfamiliar with this fact? Hillary admitted this footage is of the "sniper fire" landing.

[panader0]

45. Once again scholar--you have show your need for more education.

Good grief. This has been common knowledge for years.

[SheilaT]

82. Those pictures are not from a different day.

They are the day she was supposedly under sniper fire. There was no sniper fire. She and Chelsea stayed on the tarmac, shaking hands with various people, accepting flowers from a little girl. No sniper fire.

If she "misremembered" something that never happened, then I don't think we can possibly trust her to do things like negotiate with foreign heads of state.

[Vote2016]

11. I started primlary season in the minority (I thought she was honest) but she convinced me otherwise

[kstewart33]

20. Hey, I didn't vote! Put me down for 'agree.'

[liberal N proud]

34. Polls like that are bullshit

I can vote in that damn thing 6 times.

How many time have you voted?

[Attorney in Texas]

38. What? No. Did you even bother to go to the link? It's a poll of 1,636 US adults conducted by Reuters

If you consider only the registered voters, it's 1,406 registered voters, and an even higher percentage say Hillary is untruthful:

63.4% say she's dishonest
21.9% say she's truthful

[840high]

41. 1 more vote for disagree. She is dishonest.

[liberal N proud]

46. Yes I wen to the site!

[lumberjack_jeff]

40. The fact that she is not is objectively apparent.

The question you're really asking is "are you okay with that?"

[Lindsixo]

42. That seems to reflect the feelings of most people I talk to about her.

[LanternWaste]

44. I don't think anyone currently alive is honest and truthful...

I don't think anyone currently alive is honest and truthful... we've simply learned how to rationalize our dishonesty to ourselves and justify it to others much more efficiently.

[Attorney in Texas]

49. Odd how other public figures are not perceived as dishonest like Hillary if they are all dishonest

[seabeyond]

50. I am. I will take you on. Bring it to me, buddy....

Lol

Nah. I am playing. Tis Friday afternoon!!!!

[EndElectoral]

47. Disagree. She is dishonest.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

51. The propaganda machine has worked well, you are proving that.

I wish people would think for themselves.

[Attorney in Texas]

54. Obama's appointee at the FBI and Clinton's appointee judge in the FOIA lawsuits are propagandists?

Hillary is the author of the slanders against her.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

56. Keep it up, you might get your desired outcome. President Trump will thank you

[Attorney in Texas]

58. My desired outcome is an FDR Democrat in the White House. I'm not looking for a reality TV joke or

neocon pulling FDR's party to the right.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

59. So you wont vote for Hillary which is support for Trump, admit it, you will feel better

[Katashi_itto]

60. Guess you should have run a better candidate.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

62. another go trumper

I should have run a better candidate?

So you are not a Democrat.

Watch, I am the liberal, registered Democrat, supporting the party no matter what only because of the opposition, and I will get my post hidden and you wont.

FUCKING AMAZING

[Katashi_itto]

63. Another go Hillary at any cost.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

64. No, but I am going to vote Democratic, you are not. I guess that is OK here now.

[Katashi_itto]

65. I am voting for the only Democrat in the race.

You are not.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

66. A., voting for Bernie B. if you dont vote for the Democrat in November you support Trump

[Katashi_itto]

67. So you say. But you already threw your ethics out the window.

Voting for the DINO is Voting for a DINO

[coffeeAM]

52. I would have to be quite gullible to think Clinton is honest and truthful.

[seekthetruth]

55. Truthful only when she knows the truth won't harm her politically.

..... otherwise willing to cover anything up.

[philosslayer]

57. Honest

I've never seen evidence otherwise.

[kayakjohnny]

61. Wow, that's impressive.

Did you even look?

[philosslayer]

68. I've seen tons of smear attempts

Yet nothing sticks. Nothing. I believe Secretary Clinton is one of the most honest and honorable politicians of the early 21st century.

[baldguy]

69. Hillary Clinton is honest and truthful.

[CobaltBlue]

71. Attorney in Texas—I do not trust Hillary Clinton. I do not trust [D]iet Republicans.

[Vattel]

72. She is very dishonest. Look at how she has distorted Sanders record and ideas, for example.

Does anyone actually think that her responses to questions about the transcripts have been honest? Does anyone really believe that she has been honest about TPP during this primary campaign? Did she tell the truth about sniper fire in Bosnia or about Chelsea jogging around the Trade Center on the morning of 9/11? Was she honest when she said that Snowden could have received whistleblower protections had he not fled the US? Has she been honest when she has suggested that she did not really support the invasion of Iraq? She attacked Obama for being too anti-gun and Sanders for being too pro-gun. Were both of those attacks sincere?

I guess I hope she isn't being honest when she describes US involvement in violent regime change in Libya as "smart power at its best." The alternative is even worse in that case.

[Recursion]

73. And it doesn't matter. For 50 years people have proven themselves willing to vote for candidates

they find dishonest.

I don't see why people are taking so long to digest that.

[CobaltBlue]

74. Recursion—Remember what the late comedian George Carlin said about honesty (and in politics)?

[Recursion]

75. I remember several things he said, and I also don't think he was a very good political theorist (nt)

[Jackie Wilson Said]

76. I have something to say that is liberal and pro Democrat, but as this is Democratic

Underground, I dont dare say it or I will be censored.

[Chemisse]

77. No she is not. But I will vote for her if she is the Dem nominee anyway.

Because Trump is not only dishonest and untruthful, he is a complete whack job.

[librechik]

79. huh. same percentage that thinks Saddam did 9/11. Mission Accomplished.n/t

[BillZBubb]

80. On an honest scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being totally honest,

Hillary is about a 6, which is about par for the course for a politician.

She is very strategic with her lies. Her lawyer background makes her susceptible the fudging the truth (no offense AttinTex!), like Bill, but not quite getting into out right lie territory too often. That just makes her seem worse.