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J_J_

(1,213 posts)
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:35 PM May 2016

Hillary Clinton Benefited From Alleged Voter Fraud In Several 2016 Democratic Primaries? Voters Sue

Hillary Clinton has the lead in the 2016 Democrat primaries, but some New Yorkers think they know why. According to Heavy, over 200 primary voters are filing a joint lawsuit against the New York State Board of Elections, saying they were denied the right to vote in the recent primary. Most were denied because someone changed the party affiliation on their voter registration cards to Independent instead of Democrat. Other voters alleged their registration had been canceled completely.

Bernie Sanders voters in Arizona can sympathize. Phoenix voters waited in line for over four hours due to nearly three-quarters of the usual polling places being closed for this year’s primaries. According to the Huffington Post, when they finally reached the end of the line, they were told they were ineligible to vote in the Democratic primary because their voter registration showed the wrong party affiliation...

Voter fraud in New York is being investigated. There has been an audit of the New York Board of Elections. Stewart McCauley, who collected and analyzed information for Exhibit I of the lawsuit, filed by Election Justice USA has found evidence in four major areas, as reported by Counterpunch.

“‘There are four broad methodologies that were used’ to disenfranchise New York voters, the first two of which were also present in Arizona. Two by hackers (possibly), and two that had to have been carried out by BoE [Board of Elections] officials and/or employees:

http://www.inquisitr.com/3088970/hillary-clinton-benefited-from-alleged-voter-fraud-in-several-2016-democratic-primaries-voters-sue-ny-board-of-elections/

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Hillary Clinton Benefited From Alleged Voter Fraud In Several 2016 Democratic Primaries? Voters Sue (Original Post) J_J_ May 2016 OP
200 people? Hillary would have won NY by more.. JaneyVee May 2016 #1
You should not be cynical about vote fraud Reiyuki May 2016 #7
But when the OP LIES about who got hurt dbackjon May 2016 #9
Most fraud is usually from individual supporters at polling stations Reiyuki May 2016 #11
The OP implies that the Clinton Campaign was behind widespread voter disenfranchisement dbackjon May 2016 #19
Election fraud. Not voter fraud. Fawke Em May 2016 #33
Please Folks. This discussion and law suite are about ELECTION FRAUD not Voter Fraud Ferd Berfel May 2016 #14
you're right. my bad Reiyuki May 2016 #15
There were many specific, OwlinAZ May 2016 #2
Except the Brooklyn fiasco hurt her judging by how Brooklyn actually voted. LonePirate May 2016 #5
Hillary campaign had access to Bernie's supporter list J_J_ May 2016 #13
Hillary and Bernie both had access to state Dem voter rolls. That's how the contacts are made. LonePirate May 2016 #16
Let's investigate then....but I don't think Bernie used his list for fraud J_J_ May 2016 #22
or maybe it hurt her... eom artyteacher May 2016 #3
Kickin' for the truth! Faux pas May 2016 #4
What truth? Clinton was hurt more in NY and AZ than Sanders from the GOP voter suppression. dbackjon May 2016 #10
The article is complete with rally attendance photos firebrand80 May 2016 #6
Actually Clinton was hurt worse by the GOP antics in Arizona dbackjon May 2016 #8
Same thing in Brooklyn leftynyc May 2016 #18
Post your info please. That Guy 888 May 2016 #20
It's been posted thousands of times already dbackjon May 2016 #21
"Google is your friend" that's what bush supporters used to post. Your claim - you look it up. That Guy 888 May 2016 #25
Because it limited the voting in heavily Clinton-supporting areas. dbackjon May 2016 #27
There were zero polling places in Latino districts. joshcryer May 2016 #38
i think maybe mooseprime May 2016 #12
Maybe someone will leftynyc May 2016 #17
Hillary had access to a list of Bernie voters J_J_ May 2016 #30
"Several people say..." Do you realize how weak that sounds? randome May 2016 #35
Well, when Hillary loses in November, we don't want to hear y'all squealing Fawke Em May 2016 #34
I can't wait for the primary leftynyc May 2016 #37
Bookmarking my daily "Trump will win" post. joshcryer May 2016 #39
more pathetic temper tantrum uponit7771 May 2016 #40
All errors in Hillary's favor-Only Bernie voters complaining about losing their vote J_J_ May 2016 #23
If you believe that all errors were in Clinton's favor, then yes, yes you are. dbackjon May 2016 #28
The correct term for this would be "Alleged Election Fraud" - the voters are not the ones alleged to lagomorph777 May 2016 #24
Were the voters asked who they supported before they were denied... dubyadiprecession May 2016 #26
Several? Fuck that. Bernie Supporters claim fraud on every single Primary they lost. n/t Sheepshank May 2016 #29
+1, they sound so entitled uponit7771 May 2016 #41
kick J_J_ May 2016 #31
calling them all Sanders supporters is a lie bigtree May 2016 #32
Kicked... coco77 May 2016 #36
Good! We need this investigated, and in other states too. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #42

Reiyuki

(96 posts)
7. You should not be cynical about vote fraud
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:47 PM
May 2016

Whether or not your candidate wins, we should all agree that every vote should count and any fraud should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

'"Voter fraud doesn't matter unless it's enough to swing the election" sets a very bad precedent

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
9. But when the OP LIES about who got hurt
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:49 PM
May 2016

And implies that it was the Clinton campaign and DNC behind it, it plays into the GOP's hand.

Reiyuki

(96 posts)
11. Most fraud is usually from individual supporters at polling stations
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:57 PM
May 2016

You're right, the entire campaign is probably not rigging entire elections. It's probably just a few hardcore supporters losing a couple stacks of ballots, or it was a genuine mistake, like a computer crash or something.


But voter fraud should always be taken seriously, no matter how small. The post just seemed cynical and dismissive.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
19. The OP implies that the Clinton Campaign was behind widespread voter disenfranchisement
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016

Which is a lie.


All aspects of voter polling and registration are in the hands of Tea Party Republicans in Arizona, so to blame Clinton for any of it is a lie and a smear.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
33. Election fraud. Not voter fraud.
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:55 PM
May 2016

These voters did not try to defraud the government. The government allegedly defrauded them.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
14. Please Folks. This discussion and law suite are about ELECTION FRAUD not Voter Fraud
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:02 PM
May 2016


There is a big difference.
 

OwlinAZ

(410 posts)
2. There were many specific,
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:38 PM
May 2016

purposeful pro Clinton irregularities in NY. Brooklyn was just the most glaring example.
There should be a re-vote there.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
13. Hillary campaign had access to Bernie's supporter list
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:59 PM
May 2016

Many people online have reported receiving emails from the Hillary camp after that happened even though they had never expressed support or signed up for the campaign.

Some people reported receiving further donations requests "thanks for the $25, would you like to send more" when they had not sent Hillary any money.

If would be very easy to use the list of Bernie supporters to specifically remove them from the voting rolls.

That is how someone would cheat, and that is why it needs to be investigated.

LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
16. Hillary and Bernie both had access to state Dem voter rolls. That's how the contacts are made.
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:06 PM
May 2016

That's how any Dem (or Repub) voter is contacted either by phone or mail. I receive contact from all sorts of Dems running for office, the vast majority of whom I have never contacted or donated to in the past. It's not a conspiracy or evidence of fraud.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
22. Let's investigate then....but I don't think Bernie used his list for fraud
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:02 PM
May 2016

evidence looks to be the opposite

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
8. Actually Clinton was hurt worse by the GOP antics in Arizona
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:48 PM
May 2016

But don't let FACTS get in the way of a GOP-inspired smear piece

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
20. Post your info please.
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:41 PM
May 2016

Some links would help more than claiming everything and everyone who doesn't worship support Clinton is "gop inspired".

Especially when the Clinton campaign is known to have the "correct the record" rent-a-troll campaign.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
21. It's been posted thousands of times already
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:49 PM
May 2016

And Google is your friend


You would find that number of polling places was set by:

GOP County Recorder Helen Purcell
Approved by the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors (4-1 GOP). Only CLINTON Supporter Steve Gallardo voted against the plan
Based on budget cutbacks by the GOP controlled State Senate and House


Voter Registration is done by the Secretary of State, GOP Michele Reagan



You can look up locations of the polling booths (been posted here prior) and see that the heavily black south Phoenix area had ONE location, heavily Hispanic west Phoenix had one. Both went for Clinton.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
25. "Google is your friend" that's what bush supporters used to post. Your claim - you look it up.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:11 PM
May 2016
You would find that number of polling places was set by:

GOP County Recorder Helen Purcell
Approved by the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors (4-1 GOP). Only CLINTON Supporter Steve Gallardo voted against the plan
Based on budget cutbacks by the GOP controlled State Senate and House


How does that hurt Clinton more than Sanders? Limiting elections for Democratic voters is what the gop does. It wasn't to "hurt Clinton" it was to hurt Democratic voters. "Only CLINTON Supporter Steve Gallardo voted against the plan " - what does that mean? Where there other Democrats who don't support Clinton but were ok with the gop plan? It is unusual for anyDemocratic politician to stand up to the gop when they engage in election fraud regardless of who they support. The Democratic Party allowed certification of the Florida vote in the 2000 election for example, they refused to allow members of the Congressional Black Caucus to object and testify why they shouldn't be certified by the Senate.
 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
27. Because it limited the voting in heavily Clinton-supporting areas.
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:52 PM
May 2016

And yes, it does hurt all Democrats. If you would follow the thread, you will see what I am up against is the assigning of electoral fraud to Clinton, when it needs to be on the GOP. This is a GOP tactic designed to divide us, and allow their shenanigans to go unchecked.

Steve Gallardo is the only DEMOCRAT on the County Board. He is also a Clinton Supporter - again, if this was a Clinton plot, he would have supported it. Just another proof that shows how fucking stupid the OP was.
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
17. Maybe someone will
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:06 PM
May 2016

answer the question I've been asking since the NY Primary. How would the person purging know that ENTIRE BLOCKS AND BUILDINGS in Brooklyn were going to vote for Bernie? Chances are MUCH better that Hillary would have simply won by more than she did since she cleaned up in the boroughs. Another fake "scandal" from the people who can't believe their candidate is losing.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
30. Hillary had access to a list of Bernie voters
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:13 AM
May 2016

Several Bernie supporters have reported receiving emails from Clinton shortly afterward.

Just like the media's usual big lies, the real truth was that Hillary was stealing Bernie's list not the other way around.

Once you have a list of bernie supporters, pretty easy to figure out who to scrub from the voter rolls.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
35. "Several people say..." Do you realize how weak that sounds?
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:59 PM
May 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
34. Well, when Hillary loses in November, we don't want to hear y'all squealing
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016

about election fraud, then.

Bookmarking.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
37. I can't wait for the primary
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:07 AM
May 2016

to be over so I don't have to deal with shit like your pathetic post. Like you HOPE the Democrat loses because poor you didn't get the candidate he/she wanted. Pathetic, simply disgustingly, pathetic.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
39. Bookmarking my daily "Trump will win" post.
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:14 AM
May 2016

I wonder if these posts will be disallowed? Because if not I can tally them all the way up to the double digit landslide.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
23. All errors in Hillary's favor-Only Bernie voters complaining about losing their vote
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016


They think we are really stupid.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
24. The correct term for this would be "Alleged Election Fraud" - the voters are not the ones alleged to
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:10 PM
May 2016

have committed the fraud. "Voter Fraud" is a Potty Party term for a virtually nonexistent phenomenon which they are pretending to "prevent" with voter suppression tactics such as voter ID.

dubyadiprecession

(5,678 posts)
26. Were the voters asked who they supported before they were denied...
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:26 PM
May 2016

ballots to vote? That would be the only way to disenfranchise just the BS voters.
Unless Hillary's campaign has devices that can monitor brain waves and know which voter is which.

Better put on your tinfoil hat just to be on the safe side.

bigtree

(85,975 posts)
32. calling them all Sanders supporters is a lie
Mon May 16, 2016, 05:20 PM
May 2016

...it can't be determined who these voters would have cast a ballot for. If anything, given the margin Hillary won by in NY, 200 voters would not have made any significant difference in the result, and most of those votes would have likely been for Clinton.

The title is bogus.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
42. Good! We need this investigated, and in other states too.
Tue May 17, 2016, 06:25 AM
May 2016

This is an in-depth article that I read yesterday on the same subject:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/16/clinton-does-best-where-voting-machines-flunk-hacking-tests-hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders-election-fraud-allegations/


I also highly recommend the HBO documentary "Hacking Democracy" which I saw a few months ago when it was viewable free in a few places but I don't think it is anymore.

The main culprit to watch is the cards which go in the optical vote counters. The documentary proved and demonstrated in front of election board witnesses that those cards are PROGRAMMABLE and it is very easy for someone who knows what they're doing to manipulate the vote counts.

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