2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton Benefited From Alleged Voter Fraud In Several 2016 Democratic Primaries? Voters Sue
Hillary Clinton has the lead in the 2016 Democrat primaries, but some New Yorkers think they know why. According to Heavy, over 200 primary voters are filing a joint lawsuit against the New York State Board of Elections, saying they were denied the right to vote in the recent primary. Most were denied because someone changed the party affiliation on their voter registration cards to Independent instead of Democrat. Other voters alleged their registration had been canceled completely.
Bernie Sanders voters in Arizona can sympathize. Phoenix voters waited in line for over four hours due to nearly three-quarters of the usual polling places being closed for this years primaries. According to the Huffington Post, when they finally reached the end of the line, they were told they were ineligible to vote in the Democratic primary because their voter registration showed the wrong party affiliation...
Voter fraud in New York is being investigated. There has been an audit of the New York Board of Elections. Stewart McCauley, who collected and analyzed information for Exhibit I of the lawsuit, filed by Election Justice USA has found evidence in four major areas, as reported by Counterpunch.
There are four broad methodologies that were used to disenfranchise New York voters, the first two of which were also present in Arizona. Two by hackers (possibly), and two that had to have been carried out by BoE [Board of Elections] officials and/or employees:
http://www.inquisitr.com/3088970/hillary-clinton-benefited-from-alleged-voter-fraud-in-several-2016-democratic-primaries-voters-sue-ny-board-of-elections/
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Reiyuki
(96 posts)Whether or not your candidate wins, we should all agree that every vote should count and any fraud should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
'"Voter fraud doesn't matter unless it's enough to swing the election" sets a very bad precedent
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)And implies that it was the Clinton campaign and DNC behind it, it plays into the GOP's hand.
Reiyuki
(96 posts)You're right, the entire campaign is probably not rigging entire elections. It's probably just a few hardcore supporters losing a couple stacks of ballots, or it was a genuine mistake, like a computer crash or something.
But voter fraud should always be taken seriously, no matter how small. The post just seemed cynical and dismissive.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Which is a lie.
All aspects of voter polling and registration are in the hands of Tea Party Republicans in Arizona, so to blame Clinton for any of it is a lie and a smear.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)These voters did not try to defraud the government. The government allegedly defrauded them.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)There is a big difference.
Reiyuki
(96 posts)OwlinAZ
(410 posts)purposeful pro Clinton irregularities in NY. Brooklyn was just the most glaring example.
There should be a re-vote there.
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)J_J_
(1,213 posts)Many people online have reported receiving emails from the Hillary camp after that happened even though they had never expressed support or signed up for the campaign.
Some people reported receiving further donations requests "thanks for the $25, would you like to send more" when they had not sent Hillary any money.
If would be very easy to use the list of Bernie supporters to specifically remove them from the voting rolls.
That is how someone would cheat, and that is why it needs to be investigated.
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)That's how any Dem (or Repub) voter is contacted either by phone or mail. I receive contact from all sorts of Dems running for office, the vast majority of whom I have never contacted or donated to in the past. It's not a conspiracy or evidence of fraud.
J_J_
(1,213 posts)evidence looks to be the opposite
artyteacher
(598 posts)Faux pas
(14,644 posts)dbackjon
(6,578 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)nice touch
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)But don't let FACTS get in the way of a GOP-inspired smear piece
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)They're only fooling themselves.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Some links would help more than claiming everything and everyone who doesn't worship support Clinton is "gop inspired".
Especially when the Clinton campaign is known to have the "correct the record" rent-a-troll campaign.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)And Google is your friend
You would find that number of polling places was set by:
GOP County Recorder Helen Purcell
Approved by the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors (4-1 GOP). Only CLINTON Supporter Steve Gallardo voted against the plan
Based on budget cutbacks by the GOP controlled State Senate and House
Voter Registration is done by the Secretary of State, GOP Michele Reagan
You can look up locations of the polling booths (been posted here prior) and see that the heavily black south Phoenix area had ONE location, heavily Hispanic west Phoenix had one. Both went for Clinton.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)GOP County Recorder Helen Purcell
Approved by the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors (4-1 GOP). Only CLINTON Supporter Steve Gallardo voted against the plan
Based on budget cutbacks by the GOP controlled State Senate and House
How does that hurt Clinton more than Sanders? Limiting elections for Democratic voters is what the gop does. It wasn't to "hurt Clinton" it was to hurt Democratic voters. "Only CLINTON Supporter Steve Gallardo voted against the plan " - what does that mean? Where there other Democrats who don't support Clinton but were ok with the gop plan? It is unusual for anyDemocratic politician to stand up to the gop when they engage in election fraud regardless of who they support. The Democratic Party allowed certification of the Florida vote in the 2000 election for example, they refused to allow members of the Congressional Black Caucus to object and testify why they shouldn't be certified by the Senate.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)And yes, it does hurt all Democrats. If you would follow the thread, you will see what I am up against is the assigning of electoral fraud to Clinton, when it needs to be on the GOP. This is a GOP tactic designed to divide us, and allow their shenanigans to go unchecked.
Steve Gallardo is the only DEMOCRAT on the County Board. He is also a Clinton Supporter - again, if this was a Clinton plot, he would have supported it. Just another proof that shows how fucking stupid the OP was.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)mooseprime
(474 posts)election fraud is what is being discussed here. voter fraud is almost nonexistent
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)answer the question I've been asking since the NY Primary. How would the person purging know that ENTIRE BLOCKS AND BUILDINGS in Brooklyn were going to vote for Bernie? Chances are MUCH better that Hillary would have simply won by more than she did since she cleaned up in the boroughs. Another fake "scandal" from the people who can't believe their candidate is losing.
J_J_
(1,213 posts)Several Bernie supporters have reported receiving emails from Clinton shortly afterward.
Just like the media's usual big lies, the real truth was that Hillary was stealing Bernie's list not the other way around.
Once you have a list of bernie supporters, pretty easy to figure out who to scrub from the voter rolls.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)about election fraud, then.
Bookmarking.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)to be over so I don't have to deal with shit like your pathetic post. Like you HOPE the Democrat loses because poor you didn't get the candidate he/she wanted. Pathetic, simply disgustingly, pathetic.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)I wonder if these posts will be disallowed? Because if not I can tally them all the way up to the double digit landslide.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)J_J_
(1,213 posts)They think we are really stupid.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)have committed the fraud. "Voter Fraud" is a Potty Party term for a virtually nonexistent phenomenon which they are pretending to "prevent" with voter suppression tactics such as voter ID.
dubyadiprecession
(5,678 posts)ballots to vote? That would be the only way to disenfranchise just the BS voters.
Unless Hillary's campaign has devices that can monitor brain waves and know which voter is which.
Better put on your tinfoil hat just to be on the safe side.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)nt
bigtree
(85,975 posts)...it can't be determined who these voters would have cast a ballot for. If anything, given the margin Hillary won by in NY, 200 voters would not have made any significant difference in the result, and most of those votes would have likely been for Clinton.
The title is bogus.
coco77
(1,327 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)This is an in-depth article that I read yesterday on the same subject:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/16/clinton-does-best-where-voting-machines-flunk-hacking-tests-hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders-election-fraud-allegations/
I also highly recommend the HBO documentary "Hacking Democracy" which I saw a few months ago when it was viewable free in a few places but I don't think it is anymore.
The main culprit to watch is the cards which go in the optical vote counters. The documentary proved and demonstrated in front of election board witnesses that those cards are PROGRAMMABLE and it is very easy for someone who knows what they're doing to manipulate the vote counts.