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Yavin4

(35,433 posts)
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:44 PM May 2016

At this point, Bernie Sanders is helping Trump.

Sanders is diverting precious time and resources that could be used to go after Trump in order to continue a campaign for a nomination that cannot be won. He's driving up Hillary's negatives and giving false hope to his supporters.

Is this fatal to Hillary's campaign? No. She can overcome it, but it's a waste of time and resources.

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At this point, Bernie Sanders is helping Trump. (Original Post) Yavin4 May 2016 OP
Balderdash! nt Live and Learn May 2016 #1
Then she's too weak to be the nominee. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #2
Weak how? She's running 2 campaigns...and winning both. JaneyVee May 2016 #6
Exactly. Yavin4 May 2016 #15
If she can't successfully defend herself against the kid glove treatment she's currently getting lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #21
SHE'S WINNING BOTH CAMPAIGNS! BOTH! JaneyVee May 2016 #24
Good for her. But this renders the OP bullshit, does it not? n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #26
Not at all. JaneyVee May 2016 #30
Then what's the problem? Dawgs May 2016 #41
In what reality has Hillary Clinton been treated with kids gloves by the Republicans? NuclearDem May 2016 #29
They're not going after her in any significant way. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #37
At this point, Bernie Sanders is campaigning for the democratic nomination. Autumn May 2016 #3
Seriously. The desperation around here is getting ridiculous. arcane1 May 2016 #7
We need hip waders. The flop sweat is flowing like a river in here. Autumn May 2016 #17
and Hillary has NEVER asked Sanders to drop out GreatGazoo May 2016 #38
Its so weird and craven how he's still going after Hillary... JaneyVee May 2016 #4
Bernie has not gone after Hillary's e-mail scandal. panader0 May 2016 #33
Only to you. GO Bernie! jack_krass May 2016 #39
Why wouldn't he? She hasn't won shit yet. n/t Dawgs May 2016 #43
Dream on. n/t arcane1 May 2016 #5
She should quit! immoderate May 2016 #8
Actually, Clinton's incompetence is helping Trump. Good, strong candidates wrap up floriduck May 2016 #9
Hillary Clinton is responsible for Hillary Clinton's negatives. Kall May 2016 #10
This logic continues to make me scratch my head SheenaR May 2016 #11
You really do sound frightened of Bernie. lagomorph777 May 2016 #12
Meh...they're two sides of the same coin. nt LexVegas May 2016 #13
Rather like Hillary helped McCain in 2008, but that didn't bother her supporters then. AtomicKitten May 2016 #14
If the race is over, she can ignore Sanders; if it isn't over, Sanders should continue campaigning. Attorney in Texas May 2016 #16
Absolutely. kstewart33 May 2016 #18
"If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen." Harry S. Truman Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #19
So are some of his supporters, or at least some who claim to be that. MineralMan May 2016 #20
Bullshit. If you want to really help, convince your previous Hillary to reach out to Bernie highprincipleswork May 2016 #22
I'm so very touched by all the concern for the time and resources of Bernie's supporters azurnoir May 2016 #23
So is Hillary, for that matter. n/t Aerows May 2016 #25
"He's driving up Hillary's negatives"---no, she did that herself. panader0 May 2016 #27
Everybody under the sun Aerows May 2016 #45
Poor thing. morningfog May 2016 #28
And at this point it's clear Hillary is helping the war machine. ViseGrip May 2016 #31
At this point YOU are helping Trump be supporting the weaker candidate pinebox May 2016 #32
Dhe drives up her own negatives AgingAmerican May 2016 #34
Well turn about is fair play. He's doing nothing to her that she didn't do to Obama notadmblnd May 2016 #35
Dupe. Must be today's talking point. Redwoods Red May 2016 #36
What garbage matt819 May 2016 #40
At this point, Hillary Clinton is helping Trump. Matariki May 2016 #42
Whoa, whoa, whoa... Sky Masterson May 2016 #44
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
21. If she can't successfully defend herself against the kid glove treatment she's currently getting
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:55 PM
May 2016

then this is going to be a disappointing fall.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
29. In what reality has Hillary Clinton been treated with kids gloves by the Republicans?
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:58 PM
May 2016

Was that when she was being accused of murdering Vince Foster, threatening her husband's alleged mistresses, seeing her husband impeached, being accused of murdering Christopher Stevens, or being interrogated for 11 hours?

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
37. They're not going after her in any significant way.
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:08 PM
May 2016

At this point, all she is to the Trump campaign is a punchline.

The GOP is the dog that didn't bark. The Cruz campaign, in particular, knows exactly what she promised Goldman Sachs and has said nothing. They'll maintain this silence on a wide array of damaging issues because they'd rather face Clinton than Sanders, and don't want to destroy her prematurely.

Autumn

(45,055 posts)
3. At this point, Bernie Sanders is campaigning for the democratic nomination.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:46 PM
May 2016

If anyone is helping Trump that would be Hillary.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
38. and Hillary has NEVER asked Sanders to drop out
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:12 PM
May 2016

and she won't do so.

Some of her supporters (?) have taken it on themselves to second guess her campaign even while they proclaim they are With Her.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
33. Bernie has not gone after Hillary's e-mail scandal.
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:02 PM
May 2016

He has gone after her Wall Street ties, and justifiably so. But Trump won't hesitate to get dirty.
HRC should drop out while there is a shred of her dignity left. Then she could concentrate on her forthcoming
legal battles.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
9. Actually, Clinton's incompetence is helping Trump. Good, strong candidates wrap up
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:49 PM
May 2016

nominations on their own without blaming anyone and everyone for their own failures.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
11. This logic continues to make me scratch my head
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:51 PM
May 2016

Is Bernie Sanders actually that much of a visionary that his attacks on Hillary would NEVER have been thought of by Republicans. People here act like he is creating a playbook for them, since Hillary has had zero blemishes on her for the last three decades.

Give me a break. Guy is trying to save us from a huge mistake. And I agree with him.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
14. Rather like Hillary helped McCain in 2008, but that didn't bother her supporters then.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:53 PM
May 2016

Obama did fine. If you're worried about her candidacy, that would indicate you understand why she is perceived as a weak candidate. Clinton supporters need to pull up their socks and let the process play out.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
16. If the race is over, she can ignore Sanders; if it isn't over, Sanders should continue campaigning.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:54 PM
May 2016

The fact that Hillary is buying ads in Kentucky tells me that Hillary doesn't think the race is over.

Do you mistrust Hillary's judgment about whether the campaign is over?

If not, why are you contradicting Hillary's own assessment about the ongoing nature of the primary?

Hillary's negatives have nothing to do with Sanders and have everything to do with Clinton. Plus, if we nominate Hillary, Trump is going to attack Hillary so harshly and so incessantly and so personally, that you will look back upon the primary as the good old days.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
18. Absolutely.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:54 PM
May 2016

It is a waste of time, effort and money.

Hillary should be spending her time in swing states, going after Trump. But of course, she isn't.

I hope that Bernie leaves the Democratic Party the day after the convention. Because he's not helping the party cause - defeating Trump.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
20. So are some of his supporters, or at least some who claim to be that.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:54 PM
May 2016

Once the primaries are over, the realignment can begin. Right now, we're all wrapped up in intra-party battles. Those are about to officially end. Then, people will have to make up their minds.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
22. Bullshit. If you want to really help, convince your previous Hillary to reach out to Bernie
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:55 PM
May 2016

supporters and to never stop doing so.

This election will be won by Democrats being Progressive and United or by Hillary and her campaign going rightwards and losing the election.

Even the Republicans know that it is time for something different than the Corporatist, triangulating policies of the past. And if Hillary is not careful, Trump will outflank her on the Left and win the election.

Get on your party bosses to include the Bernie supporters, and we will win. Continue to shit on us, and go ever more nasty and rightward, and you will lose. Mark my words.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
45. Everybody under the sun
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:18 PM
May 2016

has said she's an awful candidate, but it falls on deaf ears with the DNC or bust crowd. They think it is true because they want it to be true.

If she loses in November, they will blame everybody except where it squarely lies - with Hillary and the DNC telling Democrats it is Hillary or the highway. Plenty of posts lately have elucidated that thinking and it is telling. They obviously don't need Democrats (so they think).

I'm just going to say I told you so and not be happy in the slightest about it.

I'm a Democrat, I'll vote for her if I have to, but I won't be enthusiastic about doing so.

This election is going to separate the true Dems from the blue dog DNC Dems - honest, to-the-bone Dems will swallow their misgivings and vote for her, while the blue dogs have an expectation that she will win in a landslide because she has a (D) after her name, and that the core will forget the primary vote fiddling.

Personally, I won't be forgetting that any time soon. Wait until after November 2016, and there will be some new old-fangled/old new-fangled kids in town that are sick to death of the DNC wannabes infecting the Democratic party.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
35. Well turn about is fair play. He's doing nothing to her that she didn't do to Obama
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:03 PM
May 2016

And look, he worked hard and overcame it.

I feel certain that if little Hilly puts her nose to the grindstone and works hard to EARN the nomination, she will over come too.

 

Redwoods Red

(137 posts)
36. Dupe. Must be today's talking point.
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:06 PM
May 2016

Yesterday was Bernie's an egomaniac.

I wonder what tomorrow will bring.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
40. What garbage
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:20 PM
May 2016

The conventions haven't been held. This is all about hating the groundwork for blaming someone other than Hillary on the event of her loss in November, if she's the nominee.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
44. Whoa, whoa, whoa...
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:36 PM
May 2016

We haven't even had a convention yet.
Why does she fear the socialist Jewish fella?

With the whole "math" argument that puts a spring in many who haunt here's step and that smug smile on their faces,I can't fathom why people are in a panic or even worried that The Former First Lady can't beat the "You're Fired" guy.
I mean, with her likeability numbers so high and the fact that she has a built in group of voters that don't like her, but that is nothing to worry about. I mean, when Trump drifts left and campaigns on trade she is going to show him by moving to the right!
Secretary Clinton is so incredibly awesome that she could shoot herself in the foot without a gun.

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