Do you have a medical diagnosis of any illness or problem? Heart disease? Diabetes?

[Actor]

If Trump is elected say goodbye to your health insurance, when he does away with ACA the first thing that will happen is all people with pre existing conditions will be without health insurance unless they have a real good job where they have insurance, and THEN if you leave that job, well dont, not ever.

Because you will NEVER get it again.

[NuclearDem]

1. These people have the disposable income to send in $27 just out of spite.

I don't think seeing the ACA destroyed would phase them one bit.

[Redwoods Red]

3. This could be one of the stupidest things I've ever read here.

Yeah, those 1%er Bernie supporters, with their huge $27 donations.

[MoonRiver]

8. Congratulations, you missed the entire point of that post.

It is called S.A.R.C.A.S.M.

[GreatGazoo]

13. no you missed the point

sarcasm is saying the opposite of what you mean in order bully, demean and generally be an asshole on purpose -- that isn't what the other poster did.

It is called SINCERITY (which is not an acronym btw). It was ragingly partisan but sincere nonetheless.

[Baobab]

31. Hillary plans to globalize health care which will lead to all the good things in ACA being rolled ba

rolled back? WTF?

Yes, in 1994 we signed on to the WTO GATS which committed our health insurance industry to GATS disciplines. And in 1998 an annex to the GATS that contained a standstill clause was added to it. What that means is that the minute it becomes world trade the WTO has the final say on anything and everything related to anything covered by GATS which is basically everything of economic importance that might effect profitability. The WTO views regulation as bad and pushes for deregulation of everything. Which would mean the rolling back of restrictions on what insurance companies have to do, allowing them to dump sicker people, since they are less profitable. Also, limits on their profitability would likely be rolled back. Also, once it becomes world trade, single payer becomes forever impossible, unless we pay a compensation in free money that would literally be a kings ransom, in lost expected future profits, we become locked in to the private for profit system forever, barring some huge multi trillion dollar bailout for foreign firms effected. (as currently no foreign firms are involved yet we need to withdraw from this deal or insert broad carve outs preventing this now!)

The paper in my .sig explains the rest. Its not a good situation. So we need to vote for Bernie because Hillary is already committed to this globalization agenda because of her husband's signature and US trade policy of pushing it, over the last 20 years of negotiations.Those negotiations are over economic integration, basically allowing developing countries to participate in our service markets as if they were American companies but without the higher costs.

Health insurance and medical care are both services, even if delivered across international borders, insurance is committed unambiguously as a service, so is nursing, medicine, teaching, IT, construction, staffing, etc.

the new TiSA agreement is almost finished in Geneva after 10 years of negotiations.

[Thinkingabout]

36. Are you using your normal opinion page as a source?

[Baobab]

39. I don't follow exactly what you mean?

But things are not at all what they seem on health care. We're being fed a bill of goods to keep us from speaking up on this all important issue which is literally going to make or break American families - to the tune of several hundred thousand dollars a person over our lives. At least $500k- thats probably low. (the total distribution of healthcare cost in today's money (adjusted for inflation) over a single person's entire lifetime)

[bettyellen]

95. They are known for their impeccable sourcing.

[Autumn]

4. $27 just out of spite???

You people are not even trying anymore

[NuclearDem]

10. Found this in 30 seconds...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1955795

Keep Hillary from getting the magic number so he has leverage at the convention for his ideas, and to ensure everyone in the remaining states has a chance to vote their choice.

I just sent more $$ to Bernie’s campaign in your honor Cali_Democrat.

Funny thing is, you guys actually think this irritates or bothers us in any way.

[Autumn]

12. That's not spite, That's a good reason to donate to Bernie/ We know it takes money for

our man to fight the smears thrown at him. Hill has unlimited funding by her brockshit pac to do that stuff.

[riderinthestorm]

23. That's not spite. Its my firmly held belief

and every time someone says they want Bernie to drop out, I send him more $$ so he can continue to fight.

[NuclearDem]

24. Otherwise known as...

spite.

[riderinthestorm]

29. Ah, I see. You have 9 hides and attack everyone thinking we're all nasty.

I'm sorry about that. Miserable way to live...



Have a great day!

[CoffeeCat]

68. You must have your own dictionary

in which spite is defined incorrectly--and in a way that makes sense to you, and no one else.

[840high]

96. Spite - you are full of it.

[DeadLetterOffice]

26. "These people?"

Who might these people be, pray tell? I'm a Sanders supporter through the primaries and I damn well do care about the ACA, thank you very much -- I have a genetic, progressively disabling disorder and no job.

So please don't presume to speak for people who are not you.

[QC]

30. Poster with 9 hides calling other people spiteful.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. You know this how? Access to bank accounts how

This is mind boggling but not surprising anymore

[arcane1]

2. Admit it: you typed that with one hand n/t

[Lizzie Poppet]

7. ^ thread winner

[KingFlorez]

5. I have epilepsy, so that would be disaster for me

My medication would cost over $400 a month without the ACA and my doctor's visits would be even more. I was able to be diagnosed because of a four day stay in Cedars-Sinai for monitoring and I would not have been able to afford that without ACA. My medical debt from before I had insurance is over $4000 from general practitioner visits.

[Armstead]

20. I'm sincerely glad you were helped

people who support Sanders and Universal healthcare want EVERYONE e to be able to receive adequate healthcare without a question, and have available on an affordable basis.

As it is too many people still have insufficient coverage at excessively high prices, or fall through the cracks completely because of the loopholes.

[Live and Learn]

6. Yet, with Berniereallydoescare, we wouldn't even need insurance. nt

[JaneyVee]

9. What if I want insurance?

[Live and Learn]

14. What a silly question. If you want it go ahead and get it. nt

[Fawke Em]

16. Then you can buy it extra.

Every country with single-payer (or something similar) has companies that offer additional insurance. It's just that you don't need it for survival.

[NuclearDem]

11. Well, if he oversees it as well as he oversaw the VA

then "no insurance" is going to be the least of everyone's concerns.

[Live and Learn]

15. Really? Bernie himself was in charge of overseeing the VA?

Actually, most veterans love their health care and Bernie.

[NuclearDem]

18. That's typically what the chair of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee does.

Maybe you need to read up on the VA health care crisis and how Bernie didn't address it.

[Live and Learn]

19. No, maybe you need to start making some sense. Is Obama now responsible

for every problem that occurs under Obamacare? Enough with the nonsense!

[NuclearDem]

22. President Obama doesn't hold a chairmanship on an ACA oversight committee.

Bernie Sanders was the chair of such a committee responsible for overseeing the VA health care system.

[Live and Learn]

25. By your standards then, he also deserves great praise for the system the Veterans love, correct?

Why do you think Bernie has such fantastic support from Veterans?

[Armstead]

32. Some beg to differ

http://vetsforbernie.org/honors/

Sen. Bernie Sanders has been honored by some of America’s oldest and largest veterans organizations for his tireless advocacy on behalf of Veterans and military families.

VFW Congressional Award 2015

American Legion Patriot Award 2014

MOAA Col. Arthur T. Marix Congressional Leadership Award 2014

DAV Congressional Leadership Award 2012

VFW Congressional Award

After 8 years on the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, 2 of them as chairman, it is no understatement to say that Sen. Sanders has truly taken care of wounded, ill and injured veterans and their surviving family members. He has been a commanding voice against changing the COLA calculations for disabled veterans, for the proper care and treatment of women veterans, for homeless veterans, for better employment opportunities and improved access to mental health programs, plus increased Congressional oversight of the VA claims processing transformation. When the VA imploded last year, he was the lead negotiator for the Veterans Access, CHOICE and Accountability Act, which the President signed into law last summer.

The VA still has an uphill climb to fix what’s broken, to hold employees appropriately accountable, and to restore the faith of veterans in their VA. But veterans everywhere should be proud and comforted to know that this member of Congress has their back. The VFW Congressional Award has been presented annually since 1964 to one sitting member of the House or Senate for significant legislative contributions on behalf of those who have worn the uniform. This award is extremely important to us, because it recognizes that our military, our veterans, and our families, past and present, have a champion in our corner on Capitol Hill.

[Live and Learn]

33. I think you meant to respond upstream a bit but great post. nt

[Armstead]

34. Oppos...Well hopefully the intended recipient will see it

[hobbit709]

17. I have diabetes, sleep apnea and a host of other problems.

I get my medical care through the VA and now Medicare(since last year)

[riversedge]

28. You are fortunate. The ACA is for 'common good" of America.

[riderinthestorm]

21. Wait, Hillary’s going to slam dunk win this I've been told

So never fear - it won't go away.

We'll just have to pay ever larger premiums and deductibles so those of us with chronic conditions won't get care anyway.

[Actor]

38. Yes, higher costs until single payer. Did you also want to do away with pre existing exclusion

provision no longer existing?

This is your choice.

That alone is enough reason for some to vote, i know it is for me.

[riderinthestorm]

41. Many Americans can't afford to use it now

Next year will see millions more who can't afford to use their health insurance.

Medical bankruptcies are very much a problem.

I have PECs that weren't covered in the bad old days. Now I don't go get proper care because its too expensive.

It's all lose lose.

[Actor]

42. an answer for everything...Latinos deported?

[riderinthestorm]

49. At least 5 children deported back to war stricken Honduras have been murdered.

Hillary said those parents needed to be taught a lesson.

Of course this was Hillary's coup fomented in Honduras as SOS - a foreign policy resume builder!

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/minors-honduras-killed_n_5694986.html

[riversedge]

27. I really do not think most folks know that. It will be one of the first things to go (ACA)

[me b zola]

35. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511953814

[Actor]

37. You all have an answer for everything, because you simply dont care. Disgusting

[me b zola]

43. You haven't the slightest idea of who I am or my struggles

...but I guess you felt as though you had the right to tell me what I care and don't care about. That takes some kind of balls to make shit up about me and then tell me that your made up shit makes me disgusting.

I don't need insurance~~I can't afford it. I am, however, in need of real medical attention.

[Actor]

47. OH NO YOU DONT, you linked a post to me that meant I was selling fear. period

[me b zola]

72. GTFOOH

You clearly have no intention of an honest discussion.

[Aerows]

97. This and previous post you made in this thread

are both unnecessary and ugly. Disagreeing with anybody on their choice of candidates does not warrant a personal attack.

[frylock]

44. You all have an answer for everything.

[Actor]

48. You did it again, amazing

[frylock]

45. ..

[Aerows]

54. It shocks me that Republican bullshit talking points

get accepted here at DU.

Well, actually, I guess they didn't get completely accepted, they pissed me off and here I am saying so.

[closeupready]

46. Nope. Don't take my word for it, here's Trump on what he plans:

Let's be honest here - if you want to defeat him, you can do it, but you WON'T do it by lying about what he's said and or what plans to do.

[Actor]

50. Why are you defending Trump and promoting his ATTACK on ACA?

Why is this SHIT allowed here?

Why are pro Trump people allowed to promote him here?

Trump has NO Plan and is repealing ACA, so everything i said is true and this poster is both lying and promoting Trump

HELLO

[Aerows]

66. *WHY* are people pushing back on you posting bullshit?

Oh, right. Because you are posting bullshit.

That's why.

[Actor]

67. You mean the bernie or bust folks, clearly they have an agenda, you all do.

It is obvious.

Mine is to stop Trump, dont know why you are here if it isnt yours.

[Aerows]

69. Interesting

So you are wondering why people are here.

Why do you think you are here? Use as many or few words as you like. Say what comes to your mind immediately.

[Actor]

71. Liberals belong here, not cons. That is what I was told, guess rules changed

[Aerows]

73. Well, 4/15/16

It probably isn't a good idea to start this early opining who does and does not belong here.

That's rather frowned upon anyway, and I don't particularly appreciate it hurled in my direction.

You are off to an interesting start, I can tell you that much.

[Actor]

74. I will vote for the democrat, vote blue no matter who, you?

[Aerows]

75. Not even here a month

and demanding loyalty oaths, questioning why long term members are here, and generally tossing snide commentary at the whole board like smug confetti.

It isn't me that is in the wrong place, it is *you* who is in the wrong place unless you check your attitude.

Charging into any forum, insulting the shit out of everybody right off the bat while being audacious enough to accuse long term members of "not belonging on the forum" isn't exactly going to lead to productive conversation.

[Actor]

76. I am voting for the Democrat no matter who it is because of Trump. I belong here.

And why does it make you angry to be asked to vote Blue??????

A lot of that around here, really angry to be asked to vote Blue.

Weird, that.

[Aerows]

77. It annoys me

that you are so arrogant that you can pass judgment on the whole message board you haven't even been a member of for a month yet.

So yeah, I'm sure you got a shitload of indignant people asking who exactly you thought you are. Count me as another one.

Had you been here longer than a couple of weeks, you wouldn't even have to ask, that's the rub. Most of us have already stated such information, but you seem to think it's a hip and trendy question around here.

It's like strolling onto an environmental forum and demanding to know who recycles their glass products while firmly asserting that anyone who won't answer you must not live green enough. It's a pretty good guess that they aren't recreationally clubbing seals regardless of how arrogantly and self-importantly you imply it, being as they are there in the first place, most many more years than your couple of days self has been.

So, yeah. Don't you have some other place in which to lord your self-righteousness? We're pretty laid back here at DU.

[Actor]

79. Bullshit, I can read. I cant count the number of people here who say they wont vote

for Hillary in November.

Who do you think you are fooling?

Doesnt help to hear caller after caller on liberal radio shows saying the same fucking stupid bullshit.

[Aerows]

86. Take it up with the people

on the radio show you are angry at.

Nobody here on DU is accountable for what some dumbass radio caller had to say.

[Actor]

87. Dozens or hundreds here do nothing but attack Hillary and say they wont vote for her.

And for every poster here who admits they wont vote for her in Nov, ten defend them.

The rub is I only want to talk to liberals.

[Aerows]

99. Maybe if you learn to actually talk

*to* people instead of *at* them, you might just have a decent conversation with the multitude of liberals on this board.

Like I said, strutting into a message board and casting aspersions at people who have been members and have solid friendships here is NOT the path to productive, meaningful conversation.

If you have that many problems with that many people on DU, maybe the problem isn't the people on DU - maybe the problem lies with you.

[nadinbrzezinski]

84. At this point I am laughing

because he is assuming that some of us are pro trump, and do not know liberals fight fascists.

IT is actually quite adorable. Mom, can I keep it. Please?

[Lizzie Poppet]

70. Of course we have an agenda: a president for the people.

That ain't Trump...and it ain't Hillary.

[Aerows]

51. Fear mongering

and telling people their health care treatments are automatically going away is an extremely dubious and shitty tactic.

I suggest you delete this post and quit acting like the side you claim you are against.

It is just sad to bring this here to DU.

[Actor]

53. So you are FOR Trump repealing ACA?

[Aerows]

57. Take a step back, binary thinking Bob.

This is the same shit I would expect at a Republican website "Vote for Mitt .. or Trump or who the hell else they are propping up" or your health care will be gone forever!!!!!

Settle the fuck down. DU hasn't ever needed this brand of hyperbole, and I'm sorry that you got the impression that we did.

Damn.

[Actor]

58. So you wont answer, big surprise.

[frylock]

61. ..

[Aerows]

63. You should be surprised that I even answered at all

I don't usually respond to fodder like this, but yours is so over the top, I figured others would be tickled by seeing such so I kicked it .

It wasn't a "kicked it, I agree", lest you receive the wrong message.

[treestar]

52. I have ACA insurance

It is very stressful to think I may be back to the situation I was in before the ACA.

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. Hold it, you told us that this was in the bag

and you did not need the rest of us.

So there is a bed you made. Or you are realizing you do need the pesky voters you keep insulting and now you are employing FEAR. Give people are reason to vote FOR, not against, it is more effective.

[Actor]

56. Privilege is ugly.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. Insults are even better

So it is not in the bag and you have no idea how to get people to vote for a candidate.

All you got is this

fear
ˈfir/
noun
1.
an unpleasant emotion caused by the belief that someone or something is dangerous, likely to cause pain, or a threat.
"drivers are threatening to quit their jobs in fear after a cabby's murder"
synonyms: terror, fright, fearfulness, horror, alarm, panic, agitation, trepidation, dread, consternation, dismay, distress; More
verb
1.
be afraid of (someone or something) as likely to be dangerous, painful, or threatening.
"he said he didn't care about life so why should he fear death?"


Pro tip, that depresses the vote

[Actor]

64. Your laughing emoticon tells me you are hoping the democratic party loses in November.

I get that, I do.

I see it all the time on right wing boards, but this is supposed to be left.

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. This now to the level of high commedy

[Actor]

81. I know you think it is funny for liberals to work to defeat fascists, but that is what we do

and normally I have a good sense of humor, but you folks are making this very depressing.

I just hope you are a tiny minority, otherwise there will be hell to pay.

Maybe you wont be clapping and laughing then

[nadinbrzezinski]

83. Ah the assumptions being made

are even more hysterical

Please keep this up, I need the laugh

[Actor]

85. Glad you can laugh. Muslims and latinos and pregnant women are not.

You see to seasoned political people, liberals, there is great concern that people like some here who are not seasoned, dont understand what they are doing, can cause harm.

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. There more assumptions on your part

adorable. This has to be some form of brock inspired high comedy.



Are you going to be here all week? This is really good comedy on your part.

<------Immigrant, woman, Latina, Jewish, Oh and kid I cover city hall regularly.

You really are doing some great comedy here, I also cover social justice and poverty issues, and speak wth all those groups regularly.

Mom can I keep it? really... And now I need to probably finish that candidate questionnaire instead of having a good laugh at YOUR EXPENSE. We actually have a race for city attorney this year.

[Actor]

89. And yet you pretend it is funny that you can be all those things and still act like you dont care

about Trump.

Weird.

[nadinbrzezinski]

90. Even MORE ASSUMPTIONS

kid I started taking him seriously before you did, I can bet on that. But hey, the assumptions are just hysterical Please continue.



I probably should tip you after making me laugh so damn hard.

[Actor]

91. You are not laughing now, you are pretending to because I have hit a nerve.

You know damn well if you sit home and Trump is elected, you will be partially to blame.

I dont think you want that, stop the pretending and get serious, this is serious business

[nadinbrzezinski]

92. YOu have hit no nerve

In fact, just about to write yet another story on TRUMP. You hit zero nerves, but if Trump is elected I will blame YOUR PARTY and partisans like YOU, for selecting the weakest candidate in decades to run against this clown.

You sir are hysterically funny,. Please keep the comedy going. You assumed all those things and then got some egg on your face. You SIR are a keyboard commando, So what is the going rate from David Brock and Correct the Record?

You are attempting a guilt trip, the kind of guilt trip that ACTUALLY FUCKING TURNS PEOPLE OFF AND DEPRESSES THE FUCKING VOTE YOU NEED with the weakest candidate since at least Mondale. You are using fear not positive messaging.

So keep it up. You will do well in depressing the vote. And yes I will continue to laugh AT YOU.

[Actor]

93. My party? So you are not a Deemocrat and you are not planning on voting against him

but in your warped world I am the one that is helping him.

W O W

And an adult liberal would not have to be asked to vote against Trump

[nadinbrzezinski]

94. No I am a Decline to state voter

and proud of it.

And you are still telling to vote against, not for. That is a classic low turnout messaging. Look it up. This is very basic, like first semester political science.

I am enjoying your pretzel logic at this point.

[tularetom]

78. Mr. Brock called he says you better step up your game or you ain't gonna get paid

[Actor]

80. You cant fathom what a liberal does in politics, can you.

I am not surprised.

[Ed Suspicious]

101. Who are you?

[Aerows]

60. I like the OPs response.

"Privilege".

Good lord.

We are in for a fun ride with condescending, ill-informed folks, it appears.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. Yup, like he knows the first thing of my life

or my medical or health insurance status. The funniest part is he tried to insult a PoC, who happens to be an immigrant, as far from that privilege he imagines as you can get. Pity the snotty one, he does not know better. I guess they are starting to realize this, ooopsie, we might need those votes after all.

[Mnpaul]

98. I'm so privileged

I can't even afford a diagnosis. No coverage. I'm guessing this is a person with healthcare coverage provided free or at low cost by their employer.

[Aerows]

100. Most likely

The gall is just breathtaking.

[Lindsixo]

82. I have epilepsy and ACA

I hate to say it but I actually am worse off now because before I used to get my medicine for free from the pharmaceutical company that makes it and now I dont get that anymore because I have insurance. And the premiums are too expensive for me. I have a very low income but not low enough to qualify for medicare in my state so I often lapse on insurance payments and then have no insurance till I pay again. Its the worst of both worlds.