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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Fri May 13, 2016, 05:36 PM May 2016

Bernie Sanders Is Already President Of Liberals and Populists

Link to Bernie Sanders Is Already President: Of Liberals and Populists | Because of Sanders a great progressive movement is rising; excerpt:

Against this tide of progressive populism is the counter-revolution of the political establishment, the Wall Street and financial establishments, and the corporate-owned media establishment. ... The winner of the public battle of ideas in this historic battle that has only begun is the Democratic candidate for president who, according to the average of all polling on Real Clear Politics, would defeat Mr. Trump by an average of 13 percent—and who runs significantly stronger than Hillary Clinton against all candidates in match-up polling. That candidate is Mr. Sanders... When the television cameras scan across the floor of the Democratic convention viewers will see a huge number of Sanders delegates who will be cheering wildly for their champion and for other progressive leaders who will be addressing the convention, and challenging the Democratic Party to enact a platform that stands for the things that Democrats are supposed to stand for.
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In another sense Mr. Sanders has already become the president. He may not be inaugurated in January 2017 as president of the United States, but he has already been inaugurated by the people as the president of the progressives, the president of the populists, and the president of men and women who believe politics should be an honorable profession of ideas and ideals and not a get-rich-quick scheme for greedy and selfish insiders! ... When Mr. Sanders make his case against Mr. Trump at the convention and beyond he will have a moral and political credibility unmatched in American political life.

When Mr. Sanders takes his case to the people in November on behalf of the issues and ideas and values and candidates whose visions and dreams he shares he will be the single most powerful voice on the American political stage.

When Mr. Sanders continues his quest for the revolution he seeks in 2017, and 2018 and beyond, he will mobilize even more people to great causes worthy of the battle that will never end until our country becomes everything it can be.... Think about this: the more Mr. Sanders campaigns the more progressive Ms. Clinton becomes. And the stronger Ms. Clinton appears the more Mr. Trump will move left of where he was the day before, which is why he is already showing signs of backing off his plan to bar all Muslims from entering the United States.
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Bernie Sanders Is Already President Of Liberals and Populists (Original Post) Attorney in Texas May 2016 OP
But not Liberal Democrats by 3.5+ million. nt onehandle May 2016 #1
No wonder no one trusts Hillary - there is that false and dishonest number again. How many votes did Attorney in Texas May 2016 #2
Those caucus voter totals wouldn't add up to a three million vote deficit KingFlorez May 2016 #4
They would certainly make the number offered false and misleading. But the "it's not a complete lie" Attorney in Texas May 2016 #5
Oh, dry up KingFlorez May 2016 #7
That's probably the best response when caught red-handed pushing misleading numbers. Attorney in Texas May 2016 #8
I want a great reform movement and a better, more stable Hortensis May 2016 #11
You nailed it. "This nitpicking and nagging is just sad." grossproffit May 2016 #15
Maybe this is why nobody trusts Hillary. Maybe she thinks expecting truth is "nitpicking" Vote2016 May 2016 #16
and 59 million voters haven''t even voted yet! Wow she's so popular, lol. B Calm May 2016 #33
12.5 million votes for Hillary. MILLIONS more than any other candidate in either party lunamagica May 2016 #6
The problem is that won't buy us a cup of coffee. BillZBubb May 2016 #3
Hillary only does well among elderly and retired Democrats, some minority groups, One Black Sheep May 2016 #9
And lobbyists Vote2016 May 2016 #13
And a few Republican women. And a regional appeal to those silvershadow May 2016 #22
Democrats can win without winning men, whites, and independents ContinentalOp May 2016 #23
The future will neither exclude people by race nor exclude them by gender Vote2016 May 2016 #29
some? uponit7771 May 2016 #25
Not Asians or Native Americans or Arabs, etc. Vote2016 May 2016 #34
Not this liberal and Buzz cook May 2016 #10
Does your definition of liberalism include imperial interventionist nation building? Vote2016 May 2016 #32
Nope that's why I wanted Clinton in 2008 Buzz cook May 2016 #35
The whole article is well worth reading Vote2016 May 2016 #12
I hope his next four years as President of Liberlandia are very fruitful. Congrats! Starry Messenger May 2016 #14
Is Liberlandia where we're all going to move when Trump gets elected? Vote2016 May 2016 #17
Some people seem to think so. Starry Messenger May 2016 #18
He gets to be a do nothing President. Sanders kind of gig. Nt. seabeyond May 2016 #20
He's not my president and won't ever be Il_Coniglietto May 2016 #19
A positive, true OP was spat upon by those who cannot tolerate optimism and hope. senz May 2016 #21
Someone posts a positive thread, and the Hillarians crap in it. Someone posts a comparative thread, Vote2016 May 2016 #27
I've seen it over and over and over again. senz May 2016 #30
It's a top down problem Vote2016 May 2016 #31
This is false uponit7771 May 2016 #24
It's an opinion. False is when Hillary puts a specific number on a "vote total" that includes zero Vote2016 May 2016 #26
Liberalism != Progressivism apnu May 2016 #28

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
2. No wonder no one trusts Hillary - there is that false and dishonest number again. How many votes did
Fri May 13, 2016, 05:48 PM
May 2016

you and Hillary assign to the voters in Washington, Maine, Alaska, Wyoming, etc., who overwhelmingly preferred Sanders over Hillary? {SPOILER ALERT - your vote "total" isn't much of a total}

A candidate who a majority of American voters have found to be dishonest ought to try to stay away from public-perception-reinforcing arguments like this which are so obviously misleading that anyone with a middle-school education can see that they are being misled.

Yet Hillary and you cannot stop yourselves from going there. Repeatedly.

Is there any wonder that as recently as May 10, 2016, more than three times as may people found Hillary dishonest and untruthful as found her to be honest?

Do you agree or disagree that Hillary Clinton is honest and truthful?

Disagree 62.1%
Agree 20.3%


WOW!

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
4. Those caucus voter totals wouldn't add up to a three million vote deficit
Fri May 13, 2016, 05:57 PM
May 2016

It probably would amount to something around 200k votes or less.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
5. They would certainly make the number offered false and misleading. But the "it's not a complete lie"
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:01 PM
May 2016

defense is a good and creative strategy. I wonder if it would work in the ongoing FBI investigation?

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
7. Oh, dry up
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:05 PM
May 2016

You all got your faces cracked and now you can't handle it. This nitpicking and nagging is just sad. Bitter and sad.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. I want a great reform movement and a better, more stable
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:29 PM
May 2016

Last edited Fri May 13, 2016, 07:18 PM - Edit history (2)

and competent leader. I watched Sanders from the beginning, hoping to be able to support him, but he is not the one. For a whole bunch of reasons, including that I don't think it it a good idea to invest authoritarian ideologues with power.

Btw, for this extremely arrogant and clueless lilfelong anti-Democrat, who has no idea what's good about us, to claim he's going to reform the soul of the Democratic Party is enormously offensive.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
6. 12.5 million votes for Hillary. MILLIONS more than any other candidate in either party
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:03 PM
May 2016

Sander in third place

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
3. The problem is that won't buy us a cup of coffee.
Fri May 13, 2016, 05:53 PM
May 2016

He needs to lead the Democrats. Unfortunately too many of them are looking backward, not forward.

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
9. Hillary only does well among elderly and retired Democrats, some minority groups,
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:16 PM
May 2016

and loses among men, whites, independents, and the youth. Those are the groups Sanders does very well with. Hillary's appeal is very, very limited in a general election, unfortunately. That is why all those polls consistently show Sanders winning versus Trump, and Hillary doing worse, sometimes, much worse.

I would much rather see Sanders as the nominee, he also represents real change, unlike Hillary, who is the quintessential insider, establishment candidate.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
22. And a few Republican women. And a regional appeal to those
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:12 AM
May 2016

on the extreme right/DLC types in our party.

ContinentalOp

(5,356 posts)
23. Democrats can win without winning men, whites, and independents
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:37 AM
May 2016

Hillary's base of support represents the actual future of the party. White men don't represent "real change". They're the epitome of the establishment.

Buzz cook

(2,469 posts)
35. Nope that's why I wanted Clinton in 2008
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:07 AM
May 2016

instead of the DINO foisted on us as the new liberal hope.

In part that's why I don't support Sanders. The same people who were wrong about Obama are telling me Sanders is the new liberal hope.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
21. A positive, true OP was spat upon by those who cannot tolerate optimism and hope.
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:49 AM
May 2016

Some are more comfortable in cynicism and darkness. The light hurts their eyes, stings their souls.

Bernie has indeed changed the direction of the national conversation, and he did it in less than a year. That is an amazing feat. The other candidates try to copy him because they know he speaks to people where they actually live. So far they've gotten the words but not the tune. The tune comes from within.

Bernie Sanders will be lauded in the history books as a uniquely positive force at a time when this country truly needed it.

Thank you for posting many excellent OPs and contributing so much substance and meaning to this site, Attorney in Texas.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
27. Someone posts a positive thread, and the Hillarians crap in it. Someone posts a comparative thread,
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:34 PM
May 2016

and the Hillaryians say "why oh why can't the Sanders folks please post positive threads instead of actively campaigning for President Elect Trump, for the love of all that is holy, why?"

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
26. It's an opinion. False is when Hillary puts a specific number on a "vote total" that includes zero
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:12 PM
May 2016

votes from multiple states Sanders won, which means the alleged "total" is not - in fact - anything like a total and (not coincidentally) the error Hillary repeatedly makes is in Hillary's favor.

That's what false means: a misrepresentation of fact (e.g., claiming you were under sniper fire in Bosnia when the video confirms the falsity of that factual representation).

This is an opinion that millions of Democrats agree with.

apnu

(8,706 posts)
28. Liberalism != Progressivism
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:39 PM
May 2016

Bernie's running on pure full progressive populism. I don't understand why this is so hard for people in the media to understand.

Sure Republican's don't know the difference, but then they can't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. Nobody expects deep thinking from Republicans.

But everybody else? Sheesh! We are a nation of morons and ignorants.

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