So it would have been ok if hillary used yahoo email?

[boston bean]

Really that's what I'm getting from this argument.

People so outraged at her having an email server set up.

Yet NO outrage for all the other SOS and gov't officials using yahoo and gmail.

Come on!

[floppyboo]

1. Yes! Exactly! Because then records are kept. If you just now looking into this there are some good

blog sites with timelines.

[floppyboo]

3. But the Powell experience led them to insist on those dang gov. issued phones

just too complicated! She knew that when she set up her server. I believe you can still use a private email addy, as long as it is certified secured.

[scscholar]

29. Exactly. Powell set the precident so this is...

his fault.

[awake]

52. Right lets blame the Black guy

It must be ether Powell's or Obama's fault, no way could Hillary have done anything wrong.

[metroins]

53. Race has nothing to do with this thread

You injecting it is disgusting.

[awake]

56. Ok I guess I have been brought to heal

I find it more disgusting that Some people see no problem in not fallowing regulations regarding protecting national security information.

[COLGATE4]

57. I don't know if you've been brought to heal

You certainly have been brought to heel.

[awake]

59. Ya thanks now we will just have to heal the party

Auto spell check on my phone is fun some times

[COLGATE4]

64. Better than 'healing' the party.

[puffy socks]

36. implying that she didnt have records kept ? You pulled that right out of your caboose.

A search was conducted on Clinton's email account for all emails sent and received from 2009 to her last day in office, February 1, 2013.

After this universe was determined, a search was conducted for a ".gov" (not just state.gov) in any address field in an email. This produced over 27,500 emails, representing more than 90% of the 30,490 printed copies that were provided to the State Department.
To help identify any potential non-".gov" correspondence that should be included, a search of first and last names of more than 100 State Department and other U.S. government officials was performed. This included all Deputy Secretaries, Under Secretaries, Assistant Secretaries, Ambassadors-at-Large, Special Representatives and Envoys, members of the Secretary's Foreign Policy Advisory Board, and other senior officials to the Secretary, including close aides and staff.

Next, to account for non-obvious or non-recognizable email addresses or misspellings or other idiosyncrasies, the emails were sorted and reviewed both by sender and recipient.

Lastly, a number of terms were specifically searched for, including: "Benghazi" and "Libya."

These additional three steps yielded just over another 2,900 emails, including emails from former Administration officials and long-time friends that may not be deemed by the State Department to be federal records. And hundreds of these emails actually had already been forwarded onto the state.gov system and captured in real-time.

With respect to materials that the Select Committee has requested, the State Department has stated that just under 300 emails related to Libya were provided by the State Department to the Select Committee in response to a November 2014 letter, which contained a broader request for materials than prior requests from the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

Given Clinton's practice of emailing State Department officials on their state.gov addresses, the State Department already had, and had already provided, the Select Committee with emails from Clinton in August 2014 – prior to requesting and receiving printed copies of her emails.

The review process described above confirmed Clinton's practice of emailing State Department officials on their .gov address, with the vast majority of the printed copies of work-related emails Clinton provided to the State Department simply duplicating what was already captured in the State Department's record-keeping system in real time.



Keep digging smear campaigners!

[floppyboo]

45. I've tried to be so nice, but its time for MSM to break it to you slowly.

Bye!

[Hare Krishna]

2. I don't care if she used a @bozotheclown.gov email account

As long as she follows the proper procedures for secure and unsecure email. That's where she's in trouble.

[Baobab]

21. GnuPG?

??

[floppyboo]

46. I like ignore. I like socks with a loose ankle elastic. Not so puffy. Attracts too much dirt.

[Baobab]

61. WinGPG?

???

[panader0]

4. About as secure as what she used. Heck of a job Hilly!

P.S. The other SoS's didn't have private servers, but you knew that right?

[Sheepshank]

9. Her server was more secure than the .gov server

The .gov server has had verified hacks....nothing verified on hers. By all appearances it was more secure.

[NWCorona]

10. Not at all.

[Sheepshank]

11. Care to explain, and offer links? Nt

[NWCorona]

13. You making an assumption that goes against the facts at hand.

Like Hillary would announce that her server was hacked lol. There's a reason her server was moved to the farm.

[Sheepshank]

24. Hackers have claimed to have hacked her account...turned out to be false

.....trust me, for all of those that would wish to sink Hillary, a hacker would gladly prove they hacked into her account. I doubt that friendlies would be doing any of the hacking. After A
a 9 month investigation, after all of the negative publicity RW media was happy to provide, vocal RW politicians posturing about the investigation, Trump trumpeting about the email, and Bernie Bros salivating over an indictment over the email, hackers would have come forward by now.

There is absolutely no evidence, yet BSers persist with this made up shit hoping against hope that it might come true.

[NWCorona]

26. Most hackers don't boast because they want to keep the vulnerabilities they exploit open.

[Sheepshank]

32. A prime purpose for hacking would be to embarrass and sink a candidate

Another would be to disseminate sensitive and classified material-a la Snowden. There's a myriad of ways a hacker (whether that is a foreign government or simply an anti Hillary hack) could use a 3rd party or media outlet, to provide the necessary proof that a hack was possible.

Your argument is extremely weak.

[kcr]

44. Even if that were true

The ones that do are still boasting. So, it isn't true that hackers never boast and give up the goods.

[floppyboo]

47. or they get immunity.

[Bob41213]

16. I guarantee you this is UNTRUE

People who know computers are astounded at how badly this was setup. Portscans have shown what services were running and what vulnerabilities it had. It's not good. Not good at all. Leaving the remote desktop port open, open to the entire world.

It was bad, almost as if someone who didn't want to play by the rules hired her own computer administrator and told him how to setup the server so it was convenient for her (security is not convenient).

I will guarantee you her server was hacked. You may not have any verification YET but it happened.

[Sheepshank]

20. Yea, yea, yea all sorts of posturing and conjecture and made up shit

FACT: it has been proven that government emails and sites have been hacked.
FACT: gmail and yahoo mail are regularly hacked. Even I have received hijacked emails from friend's hacked accounts
FACT: there has been absolutley no proof that Hillary's server has been hacked.

[Bob41213]

60. It's true, my opinion is worth nothing more than what you paid.

But I do have enough knowledge in this area to guarantee it.

FACT: When govt sites are hacked, they have enough safeguards in place to notice it.

FACT: When you receive hijacked email from a friends account gmail/yahoo weren't hacked. Your friend's account was hacked probably because he fell for a phishing email or used a bad password or because he reused passwords all over and that site was hacked.

Not that I'm claiming yahoo/gmail are immune to hacking either. But they also have a large team dedicated to security. And not that it matters, but she shouldn't be using this either--she should have at the very least got setup with a .gov account. And before you say Powell/Rice, THEY DIDN'T USE A PRIVATE EMAIL EXCLUSIVELY, ONLY A HANDFUL OF TIMES!!!

FACT: Hillary's private server was so poorly setup it'd be a miracle if only a handful of countries got in.

FACT: Brian Pagliano was a poly sci major who lacked network security certification.

[tonedevil]

5. Are you saying you don't see...

a difference? From a security perspective it would have been a lot better if she didn't use the BlackBerry. The reason there was such a concern when President Obama wanted his BlackBerry is the communication from the BlackBerry to the email service go by way of Canada. It is the architecture of the RIM server that requires the data to take a hop through their servers in Canada. I'm under the impression that the NSA made an exception with the POTUS BlackBerry and Sectary Clinton wanted a similar exception made for her as well.
I have worked with standard commercial versions of the RIM BES server. It is buggy as hell and prone to attacks. I have not reviewed the configuration for the server that Secretary Clinton had at her house, but it stands a better than average chance of serious compromise if they had Exchange and BES on the same server.
It is true no SOS before Secretary Kerry used a State Department email, but they didn't take to the extreme that Secretary Clinton did.

[NWCorona]

12. Obama's BlackBerry never touches a commercial cell tower.

And you are right and the Canadian issue.

[Baobab]

23. Doesnt the government get their own source code when they buy a product, so they can modify it?

So they could run their own Blackberry server. (its in their contracts)

I don't think anybody would want it any other way.

[tonedevil]

63. Have you ever setup...

and configured a BlackBerry Enterprise Server? The BES, as we will call it going forward, connects an email service with the BlackBerry service in Canada. I'm not sure what arrangements were made for President Obama's BlackBerry, but it was not just unusual it is one of a kind. It is rare to get the code of any software you purchase.
They call it intellectual property and many companies consider it breaking the contract to reverse engineer and look at the code.

[NanceGreggs]

6. IOACIHDI ...

... It's Only A Crime If Hillary Does It.

[Desert805]

7. She's the only one that did it

So there's really no data to make that conclusion.

[frylock]

37. ..

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Yes, for things like what Powell used his

getting the car, making dinner arrangements.

It should not be that complicated, but I suppose it is.

[Demsrule86]

14. Yeah Rice used google I hear

My google account was hacked twice.

[ljm2002]

19. The more relevant question is...

...how much State Dept business did she conduct using her Google email account? Because from all the accounts I have read, it amounts to a only a few emails, and even so there were questions about the propriety of her doing that. She most certainly did not use her Google email account to run all of her business at the State Dept.

Whereas Clinton chose to use her own server, never informing State or the President, and used it for all of her work at State. There is a real difference there. Odd how many people here seem unable to grasp some very easy, fundamental facts of this case.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

--Upton Sinclair

[TheBlackAdder]

15. Anyone who thinks their email isn't viewable at Google and other free providers is smoking something

.


I had a Google AdWords account and when I called for issues with payments and campaigns, the people at Google were reading my emails and could even view my password in clear text.

There are things you give up when using "free" services, such as data mining, heuristic scans of content, etc.


It all comes down to government officials trying to mask their communications from the public.


But, having a stand-alone email server in your house is a pretty stupid thing to do, and regardless of how it's 'secured' it's a wide-open system to any teenage hacker. Deleting messages as though you are the one who can determine what is government owned and what is private is another stupidity. Mixing public and private information on the same system is yet another. I can go on from an IT governance perspective, but there are many eyes looking at this.


.

[MrMickeysMom]

17. What it shows is serial poor judgement...

Plenty of evidence to avoid making these types of judgements -

1) Voting to support Bush's Iraq war, after ample evidence not to

2) Risking the types of e-mail communication that would never be allowed to be leaked on a government server. The FBI is examining 3,100 e-mails that have been divided into personal and work related.

3) Covering up, evading any transparent Q&A's on #2

All those other SOS never had a personal e-mail server run out of their home to handle "work" related communications that could easily be hacked from a mobile phone.

[ljm2002]

18. Certainly not if she used it for all Dept of State business...

...but then no other SOS did that either.

What she did do is to have her own server, that did not even have encryption on email for 2 months of her tenure, that she used for ALL of her Dept of State business. And when she first left the State Dept, she did not turn over ANY of them, even though she was required to do so. Then she deleted half of the emails.

She also used a nonsecure Blackberry to send and receive most emails, after being warned not to and told of the security reasons why that was a bad idea.

People around here need to stop trying to be obtuse. You may not think she did anything wrong, fine. But stop trying to equate what she did with previous SOS's. They used their personal email accounts for a few emails, and they may have run afoul of the rules for handling classified information, and some of those were only marked classified retroactively, which is also true of some of the Clinton emails.

But Clinton operated her own server, did not inform State, used it for all of her official business, did not turn over the email to the department until the existence of the server became known. She also used it for Clinton Foundation business, and for her back-channel communications with Sidney Blumenthal. Again: if you want to argue that all of this is okay, no problem. But please stop trying to muddy the waters by conflating her actions with those of her predecessors. They are simply not comparable.

[delrem]

22. She ought to have followed protocol and used the gov't server. Period

She didn't.

Only an idiot would suggest that the only alternative was AOL. A complete fucking idiot.

The reason why she didn't use the gov't server is obvious to even the most clueless: because she needed to hide her tracks, even from the gov't she served.

So she did ALL of her business, both private "social club" shit and her most serious business as SOS, mixed all together on the same private server because it was under her total control.

Not good. Not good at all. Not good for the Obama administration, not good for the USA.

But go for it: tell us how you want everyone from the very top down to be out of her loop.

[Juicy_Bellows]

25. Thanks for nailing all the points - now I don't have to.

The willful ignorance displayed at this topic on DU is astounding.

You needn't be an IT guru to understand at a cursory level this was an obvious choice to hide shit. However, if you see a RW attack behind every corner one must admit, if nothing else, it illustrates an impeccable sense of hubris to spit on the law of the land so egregiously.

[northernsouthern]

41. +1

Yeah, the only reason to do this is to hide information, it is that simple. Yes public and private emails can get hacked, but many times it is from things we do that we shouldn't or making weak passwords. I avoid giving out my email to most services that should not need them as they get hacked too.

[JoePhilly]

55. She should have used the same email system as the CIA director!!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/19/politics/cia-fbi-alleged-hacking-report/

[Logical]

27. Are you so clueless.....

To understand that she was THE ONLY ONES EVER to use a personal email address for 100% of her communication?

[Chan790]

28. It would be preferable actually.

Yahoo Mail is comparatively-secure. It's one of those things that is ironic...unless you're really on the bleeding edge of technology and diligent...a private email server is always going to be less secure than a major-commercial one, because large providers like Yahoo, MSN and Gmail have both the resources and credibility-incentive to implement cutting-edge email and data security.

[Gomez163]

30. No. See the Clinton Rules.

[Dem2]

31. As long as it's used to destroy Hillary Clinton

It's all good amiright?

[CoffeeCat]

38. No one forced Clinton to use a private, homebrew unsecure server for all of her SOS correspondence

Clinton and her email server have been under FBI investigation for a year--because of her own choices.

We haven't done anything to "destroy" her.

Her choices are her choices.

Comey did a press conference last week to make clear that this was not "a security review" as Clinton has been asserting. It's really not looking very good for her.

I hope our party is prepared for the potential bomb that could be thrown into our primary and this presidential-election season. I'm not hopeful, as many are still touting the nonsense that this is a right-wing smear against poor Hillary.

[delrem]

42. No, CoffeeCat. In fact you're to blame.

You could have taken the life-road of Hillary Clinton's supporters, which is the high road because it not only admits no wrong but also refuses to discuss any issue. And that is good. Suffice to say that Hillary Clinton has spent her entire political life defending the lives and values of women and children, her years as SOS (among others) being an exception. As Hillary is wont to say, "... and I have the scars to prove it!" That's because she's "a fighter" who's going to punch a hole in that "glass ceiling", the "ceiling" personified by Donald Trump. (If you don't support Hillary Clinton, then you support Donald Trump. Simple as that.)

You could have taken that life-road, overflowing as it is with bounty, but you didn't. So you're a Republican.

Pity.

[Dem2]

49. What is your alternative?

Should we throw the election, hand Trump the keys to the White House?

I need an alternative.

[thesquanderer]

33. If she used Y! mail for gov business only occasionally AND made sure that anything there was copied...

...to a government archive

AND made sure that no classified info went through that system,

then it would be okay.

[delrem]

39. No it wouldn't. The business of a SOS is second to that of the POTUS,

it is serious business.

It isn't a place to introduce "slippery slopes".
The "oh, this politician did it only a bit! compare it to that politician!" kind of shit that the MSM loves to peddle.

Of course yes, Hillary Clinton isn't the first corrupt politician who used and uses these tactics to enrich themselves and their friends and benefactors. But she did it (and took in the payola for "speeches", and her "Clinton global initiative" took in payola from despots, etc.) to an unprecedented degree. So it's time to end it. To end it once and for all.
IT'S TIME TO END IT.

Not to vote her into office on the off-chance that she has some kind of integrity lurking beneath.
That she or some other politician might "just do a bit of it" in future.

Jeez.

[dchill]

34. Gee, I don't know... You'll have to ask the FUCKING FBI!

In other words, get a clue. This "problem" for Hillary is not a Berniesmear or VRWC. It's an FBI investigation that happened because laws were broken.

[CoffeeCat]

35. The issue isn't the emails or the personal email account

The issue is the private server.

Huge difference.

There is a big distinction between sending a few personal emails with your Yahoo email account (which is what Condi Rice and Colin Powell did) and sending all of your work-related emails from a private, unsecure, homebrew server that was in your basement.

No Secretary of State has ever done that before. What Clinton did, by sending all of her State emails on that private server, is unprecedented.

A further distinction is that neither Powell, Rice or any other Secretary of State had 2,000 emails retroactively deemed "classified" and 22 emails deemed "Top Secret."

From the New York Times - 1/6/16
"The top secret emails lent credence to criticism by Mrs. Clinton’s rivals in the presidential race of her handling of classified information while she was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. It is against the law for officials to discuss classified information on unclassified networks used for routine business or on private servers, and the F.B.I. is looking into whether such information was mishandled."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/us/politics/22-clinton-emails-deemed-too-classified-to-be-made-public.html?_r=0

[CentralMass]

40. ....

[Ash_F]

48. It would definitely had been more secure if she used yahoo.

Yahoo actually spends significant money on security measures.

[glowing]

51. No, gov business should have been conducted through a .gov e-mail address through the state dept.

This way there is no issue with FOIA requests or classified info. The private e-mail would be for her private business.

[randome]

54. She'll use the email system that Independents TELL HER TO USE!

Or, by Jove, there will be hell to pay!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Cal Carpenter]

58. You're not even trying

or have you never read beyond the headlines of this story?

[Bob41213]

62. STOP THE HILLARY SPIN

Obvious implication is other people did it.

NO THEY DIDN'T DO THE SAME THING.

They used a personal email account sparingly for a few things. I'm reasonably certain both had a government account.


SHE REFUSED A GOVERNMENT EMAIL. SHE REFUSED AN ACCOUNT ON THE CLASSIFIED SYSTEM. SHE ONLY USED HER OWN PERSONAL EMAIL SERVER SETUP BY A POLY SCI MAJOR LACKING SECURITY CERTIFICATION.