2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWSJ: Clinton... will give Bernie Sanders much of what he wants on the party’s platform
Already, Mr. Sanders has accused the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee of stacking convention committees in favor of Mrs. Clinton and has threatened a floor fight if he isnt treated fairly.
This convention should be a real debating place about what the party is and what it should stand for, said Larry Cohen, a Sanders adviser and retired labor leader.
Mrs. Clinton says Mr. Sanders has every right to continue competing until the last votes are cast, but she has made clear that she expects unity to follow, as it did following her 2008 defeat. Were going to unify the party, and were going to have a great convention, she said last week on MSNBC.
More:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-looks-to-avoid-convention-fight-as-sanders-presses-agenda-1463178735
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Sounds like Hillary is offering a peace pipe to Bernie. The question is will he accept it?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)The real question is: can she be trusted to keep her word?
History suggests not.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)intent of the "offer".
arcane1
(38,613 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)why would anyone expect her to keep holding our her hand in peace?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)The first moment it is necessary, she will pivot/bolt/contort back to her natural roots. And they seem to be getting further away from traditional Democratic values.
And No One Is Sure what her status will be in the future. She's a Wild Card.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)This is a discussion board. Don't take everything so personally. Just because people don't agree with you, or deign to post opposing opinions, doesn't mean they don't like you. Of course, few of us know each other, so there's that.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)That's a shock!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)who think Obama is a republican? There is a lot of that here. Do you know of any republican who would protect transgenders? If so which ones? I personally do not think we should take some people here on DU seriously. The authoritarian zealots. You know the type.. Obama was the first president who endorsed marriage equality but hey... that wasn't good enough.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)since we have elected her. The people have spoken and even though any true believer disagrees, the people have spoken.
beltanefauve
(1,784 posts)CA Primary June 7.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)qualified, given her poor judgment and outstanding legal problems, to lead the party. Without question, Day 2 will be impeachment proceedings. But Bill, with his experience, will be there to coach her along.
How did we end up with this clusterF###.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)The question actually is, would she do it?
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Ever honor any pledges, platform or otherwise, to help the middle class. At least not until she has set it up to ensure that her buddies on Wall Street can keep on keeping on.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)She more or less agrees with Bernie on most issues and she certainly doesnt want to piss off Bernie supporters.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Very high. Enough said.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)It's laughable.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I dont take many of them seriously anymore.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)think is, we didn't make them up. Harry Truman: "I don't give them hell, I tell the truth and they think they're in hell." Some statements transcend generations.
That's what "off the deep end" means. Those damn inconvenient facts. In writing, on video, for decades...nowhere to hide.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Stop with the spinning, even DU longtimers like me can get dizzy.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I quoted a saying by Harry Truman. It's in history books...now online. It seems to reflect the reality of the current political season. JMO.
National Review? Joe whoever? Sorry...doesn't compute. Try actually responding to the post...speaking of spinning. No wonder you're dizzy.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)I haven't seen many BS supporters objecting. One thread in particular starts with the title "Storm Warning:..." one of the zillions of posts about the email-ghazi "scandal".
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I don't see the problem. I'm not going to object.
if they are lies, made up, prevaricated, flip flopped, pretzeled, then I'd understand.
And, even though many of us thought the Benghazi!!!! thing was over, apparently it's taken on another life via the emails of staffers and the Foundation et al. What is in writing is surely fair game...regardless. Funny how you can't erase servers of those to whom many of these "questionable" messages were sent.
Unfortunately the emails and The Foundation have now intertwined to some degree, so it may not be such a RWNJ Booga Booga. I just hope she doesn't take down Obama. But, if he did the deed and bowed to her PUMA pressure and put her in a position she was ill-suited for ethically, well, perhaps it's his Karma.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Remember the 2012 Party Platform?
You don't?
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)...and southern / conservatives fought to put it back in?
The same thing is going to happen with Sanders delegates, only with things like single payer.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)in making and keeping happy those Political Big Shots that Jeff Bezos will be going to for favors. (Bezos purchased Wash Po some time ago.)
Bezos had his lobbyists orchestrate the hand over of the US Postal service to Amazon, Spring of 2007. (Under a "Democratic Majority" Congress, BTW.)
Bezos thinks Hillary has a lock on the election - his reporters bring only puff pieces to their editors' desk for approval.
Don't expect much critical thinking aimed at HRC from this source.
Gotta keep that US Postal Service as part and parcel of Amazon's "free delivery" mail room. (And delivery is not really free - smaller businesses have been paying a heftier US Postal charge since Spring 2007, so Amazon can let its customers get a break.)
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)It's not even controversial. People will just move the goal posts and say the platform doesn't mean anything.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Much of it meaningless. Perfect place to hide Bernie's "Unicorns and Ponies". LOL
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Rather than, you know, hold democrats accountable for their platform, you just shrug and say oh well.
Pathetic.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Platforms are nice. They mean nothing after the election. It's pretty much a feel-good document. Look at the candidate's history, and you can see the future.
And the first chance to "do something" ... which I guess earned the "shrug" and "pathetic" ... is the next election.
But you knew that.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)It's a continual process. The next election is when you get rid of them for not doing what they said.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Is she going to "evolve" into a Socialist? A Green? Champion Single Payer? Free Tuition? Return corporate investments...er...donations? Split up the banks?
Is she talking Revolution?
egalitegirl
(362 posts)Great post!
msongs
(67,395 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Mostly as a marker. There's so much I could say about this. I will just start here: The article, by the very forces that Bernie is fighting, presumes the premise that Clinton will even be the nominee, or in a position to "give" him anything. As this primary soldiers on, the actual state of things will become much clearer later. Let us first finish up the voting.