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[Thinkingabout]

1. Maybe he was researching so he could write an article on women's sexual

Fantasies.

[Thinkingabout]

9. Not sure if the other article was about adult women, it was just creepy to me.

[tonedevil]

69. Have you read the article...

you are writing about? It seems you should read an article if you are going to publicly pronounce it creepy.

[Thinkingabout]

79. I have read Sanders article.

[tonedevil]

91. Fair enough...

I don't see the creepy factor, but I definitely see the salacious aspect.

[merrily]

133. Fair my ass. The poster is working the mother of false equivalencies. Please see Reply 130.

Worst deflection (in Reply 1) I've ever seen on DU--and that's going some.

[Thinkingabout]

160. As I said it is creepy, rape is never alright. Writing about women's fantasies of

Being raped and publishing it is not acceptable, perverted minds.

[brush]

204. Way to go. Keep doing the repugs job for them. Newsflash: Bill Clinton is not running.

Talk about anti-woman/anti-Hillary crappola!

[scscholar]

27. Speak for yourself about having fantasies.

Us women are more well grounded.

[roguevalley]

64. it does matter. he's going to be in the white house too, he can be blackmailed and it matters to me

that whoever represents me and this country abroad not be at best a pedophile enabler. IT MATTERS!

[Dragonfli]

110. It all depends on what the meaning of is is, also who can really define blackmail it may simply be

A reference to occasional letters written on black stationery, hardly conclusive of anything, I say there is no way Bill could ever be blackmailed because it is just to damned hard to read black type on black paper. Your fears I must say are most unfounded.

Let me remind you, a witness has come forth proving that Bill never had sex!

"...I have never had sexual relations with Clinton, nor have I ever claimed to have had such relations. I have never seen him have sexual relations with anyone,"

That's right he is a virgin! Case closed. Next on the docket E-mail? just what is email anyway? and what does classified even mean ...................

[yourpaljoey]

183. 'Blackmail' defined by Clinton -- awesome!

[CorporatistNation]

125. The Entire History Of This Couple Makes Them Vulnerable!

They have been involved with powerful and unsavory or nefarious characters.... Not a recipe for being in the WH!

[Baobab]

206. IMPUNITY - The Clintons are masters of the culture of impunity.

Its more likely than not that whatever they do they will get away with.

If Hillary loses this nomination then its very likely she wont try to run again in 2020, so then things might change.

But if not, then no, she and Bill likely will remain "royalty".

[merrily]

130. Disgusting to equate writing one essay about a fantasy involving adults so

you can try to support your family 45 years ago, to actually being with underage girls repeatedly, in the lowest deflection attempt and false equivalency I have seen on DU--and that's going some. No words.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

149. Couldn't agree more... amazing how far some will go to defend the indefensible.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[merrily]

151. Thank you. Please see also Reply 145.

[mythology]

169. And stating with absolute certainty that Clinton was with underage girls is what?

I mean other than unsubstantiated bullshit.

[merrily]

220. I don't think I did that, but stop trying to deflect.

[Katashi_itto]

168. -20 Penalty Red Herring

[Thinkingabout]

171. I ask this question about the OP, WTH.

[Katashi_itto]

172. -10 points. Poor deflection.

Poster trying to evade their original statement.

[Thinkingabout]

179. Oh, really.

[Katashi_itto]

182. Yes. Really.

[ViseGrip]

215. Yes, maybe. So just know, it's why I don't want him in the White House. He could research elsewhere,

then flying around with convicted pedo Jeff Epstein! Gads!

[notadmblnd]

226. Big stretch between writing about womens sexual fantasies

and cavorting with people who avail themselves of the services of underage sex slaves. Don't you think?

[Thinkingabout]

228. No, I am not responsible for what My friends do , however, I am responsible for

Articles in which I write and then have published.

[notadmblnd]

232. That is some twisted attitude you got there

Implying that there is something wrong with Sanders because he wrote a sex story and had it published- which is entirely legal by the way.

But there's nothing inappropriate with Clinton cavorting with a known pedophile and traveling with him to the scene of his crimes cause Clinton isn't responsible for his pals behavior.


Wow. Just wow.

[BootinUp]

2. I bet Trump would approve of these tactics. PageSix? Thats tabloid journalism!

[KoKo]

8. Owned by Mort Zuckerman....

who supports Hillary.

Amazing isn't it the loyalties of our MSM Press... It's almost too hard to keep track of the Oligarchs who feed us the "News That's Fit to Print."

Don't even get started on the MSM Cable/Network News!

[BootinUp]

11. I believe its wacky and conservative, borderline for DU in my opinion. nt

[JonLeibowitz]

54. 4/12/16: Daily News Editorial Board says Vote Hillary Clinton

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/vote-hillary-clinton-article-1.2598171

You are right about them being too conservative, as is the candidacy they endorsed!

[merrily]

134. A paper that was trumpeted on DU when it endorsed Hillary.

[merrily]

131. Deflect much? This is about Bill Clinton's actual actions, not what you imagine about Trump.

Yeah, I know. You're a forgiving guy when it comes to the Clintons. You already told me. I just always thought forgiveness came after an admission of wrongdoing.


Please see also, Reply 130.

[zappaman]

5. uh huh.

[merrily]

135. Seriously? tt

[lastone]

6. The republicans are going to have a field day

Using bubbas sins against Hillary, it's simple people, hrc loses to trump, Sanders doesn't, he wins.

[grossproffit]

24. Perhaps in La La Land. Bernie can't even beat Hillary.

[egalitegirl]

76. You don't seem to understand the election process, everyone votes in the GE n/t

[lastone]

128. ... Because why?

Hmmm, let's think here, say the dnc wasn't colliding with the hrc campaign? Hmmmm, maybe it was the media ignoring the Sanders campaign when he was drawing record crowds? Lots of corp/establishment working against the Sanders campaign. And for the record your backing a general election loser as is anyone backing hrc.

[merrily]

132. Maybe not with all the rigging that has gone on to ensure the coronation. Even then, he's

done great. If he's the nominee, hopefully the party won't unite against him. Then again, these days, you never know.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

152. For the good of the party, Hillary needs to withdraw from the race now.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Jackilope]

181. Screw that. This is all about her. Never good of the party.

I totally expect to be sold down the river with either GOP or Third Way. Slimiest family unit with more baggage than an airline greasing their way through. It takes a lot of money to cover up and buy their way there.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

227. Gotta admit it tho, Hill n Bill are good at fakin their way to the top.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[NewImproved Deal]

205. A fringe benefit of an HRC Whitehouse...

That lecherous old fraud waddling around the West Wing at 3AM with a cheeseburger in one hand and an intern in the other...again.

[grossproffit]

25. Why are you responding to yourself? For future reference?

I'm still looking for the bookmark feature.

[senz]

116. The only appropriate response to this information

is coverup. Surely you know that by now.

[Codeine]

52. Forget to log out before replying to yourself?

[zappaman]

55. oops.

[merrily]

136. The only one I know of on DU who has done that is now a Hillary supporter.

Though only heaven knows about 2008. And guess what? Both her alter egos agreed with each other. And "both" are still posting here.

Replying to you own OP to inform readers of an alert on your own OP is common at DU and hardly requires an alter ego. But, you knew that.

[CorkySt.Clair]

216. Righhhhht

I'm sure you believe that.

[merrily]

218. Many DUers know who exactly who I am talking about about.

[LexVegas]

61. Forget to log out? Sock confusion.

[oasis]

88. Lol. Best one yet

[merrily]

137. Please see Reply 136

[JI7]

66. HAHAHAHAH

[NCTraveler]

129. .

Star Member cyberpj
7. Alerted in the first 8 minutes. And not a lie or bad word in sight.
Just a heads up
Your post just got alerted on:

[KingFlorez]

10. Let's see

Sanders writes that women fantasize about being raped, about children running around naked and about teenage girls having sex with their boyfriends as a form of rebellion. Then he votes against the Amber Alert and criminalizing computer generated child pornography.

See how conjecture works? One could draw a whole lot of conclusions from putting that together.

[KingFlorez]

18. Sure

[Sheepshank]

22. What a weird assumption

I think most would assume that absent actual studies, he is relying on practical and real experiences.

[grossproffit]

30. Bernie gets the benefit of doubt, while Hillary is guilty for daring to breathe.

[Sheepshank]

38. Seem like...right? nt

[merrily]

139. What's weird--and then some--is the reaction of Hillary supporters to the OP.

Also, please see Reply 130.

[merrily]

138. Please see Reply 130.

[scscholar]

28. And attacked women teachers...

but that was for money. He was forced to do it to pay his bills.

[LisaM]

35. That teacher thing really bugged me

My father was a teacher, I have lots of friends who are teachers, and that really, really ticked me off, when he called teachers the "B" word.

[NWCorona]

36. Well Bill "might" have lived it tho

[Joe the Revelator]

94. Are you really trying to compare these two things?

I swear, the Cult of Hillary gets stranger and stranger in the things they are willing to excuse.

[KingFlorez]

96. Cult?

Clinton supporters aren't the ones making dolls and making a huge deal over a bird.

With that said, my point was about conjecture and speculation. One could connect a lot of dots about Bernie's action and wonder about what he is involved in. If Page Six gossip is taken is fact, then the cult of Bernie has a big problem.

[Joe the Revelator]

97. Cult. Its a cult of personality. There is no other rational reason to support Hillary Clinton

and now to support Bill's trips to a proven underage sex resort. It's just weird.

[KingFlorez]

98. Again, it's you Bernie people who act cultish

Page Six gossip is not even a legitimate source to accuse Bill Clinton of anything.

I do find it odd that Bernie Sanders writes about women fantasizing about being raped, teenage girls having sex and later voted against Amber Alert, as well as criminalizing computer generator child porn. That is weird and creepy. I don't feel like I can morally vote for someone like that. Something isn't right.

[Joe the Revelator]

99. "I know you are but what am I" is not an effective retort.

[KingFlorez]

100. Ask yourself about Bernie's writings and his votes

Both of which are not gossip, but are things on the record. Think about it, really think about it.

[Hav]

109. I know you aren't really serious with this line of argument,

but using the standard of the OP, the absense of evidence for any wrongdoing only means that it was covered up or bought off.
It is an absurd stance that is needed to silence calls for backing up the claims from the beginning. It amounts to a system that follows neither the guideline of assuming innocence until proven guilty, nor is it the extreme, guilty until proven innocent. It is a standard where innocence is in fact either impossible or worthless as the final verdict will be guilty anyways.
It is very telling whenever a post needs such a caveat.

[6chars]

155. CT: entire msm decides to ignore story of year from pagesix

ok.

[Armstead]

163. Freedom of Speech on the Internet on Cable -- Not promoting child porn

Not promoting child porn, but protecting freedom of speech on the Internet. This ws back in the Dark Ages of the Bush administration. I actually posted a thread about it at the time.

Bill would prevent indecency fines against cable
Content Regulation | Feature | April 4, 2005
News Media Update WASHINGTON, D.C. Broadcasting April 4, 2005

http://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/news/bill-would-prevent-indecency-fines-against-cable
Bill would prevent indecency fines against cable
The "Stamp Out Censorship Act" would counter attempts to regulate programming beyond broadcast television.
April 4, 2005 -- The Federal Communications Commission would be prohibited from slapping indecency fines on cable and satellite television and the Internet, under a bill introduced by Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).
Nonpublic broadcasts such as those on cable and satellite television and the Internet are not now subject to indecency regulation. Sanders wants to keep it that way by preventing the FCC from penalizing indecency aired by "providers of video over cable television systems, satellite carriers, the Internet" or nonbroadcast providers, according to the"Stamp Out Censorship Act of 2005,"introduced March 17.
Sanders spoke against the "Broadcast Decency Enforcement Act of 2005," which would raise broadcast indecency fines. The "specter of censorship is growing in America today, and we have got to stand firmly in opposition to it," Sanders said on the House floor in February. "What America is about is not necessarily liking what you have to say or agreeing with you, but it is your right to say it."
Reps. Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii), Rick Boucher (D-Va.), Jim McDermott (D-Wash.), Ron Paul (R-Texas) and Diane Watson (D-Calif.) are cosponsoring the bill, which was referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.
- See more at: http://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/news/bill-would-prevent-indecency-fines-against-cable#sthash.P0WQlW7G.dpuf

----------------------------

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4186538


(Release from Cong. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), so is included here in full as public domain)

This is what the democrats should be addressing, instead of trying pandering to the "traditional family values" crowd.

http://bernie.house.gov/indecency.asp

Indecency


Representative Bernie Sanders is extremely concerned about the growing trends toward censorship and authoritarian government that we are seeing in the United States today. Earlier this year, Members of the House and the Senate, as well as the new Chairman of the FCC, Kevin Martin, expressed their desire to apply FCC indecency rules to programming provided over cable and satellite as well as material on the Internet. This move would represent an unprecedented expansion of federal power to control what Americans see and hear. Unlike broadcast programming, which is sent into people’s homes over the publicly-owned airwaves, consumers voluntarily sign up for and pay for cable, satellite and Internet service. Allowing the FCC to regulate these services would, in essence, permit the government to control what content people can buy—something that even former FCC Chairman Michael Powell says is unconstitutional.

Just as troubling is the incredibly vague language which defines the FCC's decency standards. This unclear language has already caused broadcast stations to self-censor material because they do not want to risk receiving exorbitant fines. Extending these vague standards to paid programming will cause controversial and cutting-edge programming will grow increasingly rare. If Americans want to watch The Sopranos, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, or other programs targeted to adult audiences, the FCC should not be able to stop them. If we start regulating cable for “indecency,” where will it end? Will it soon be “indecent” for people on television to criticize the President? Is that the far right’s definition of “freedom?”

In March of 2005 Representative Sanders introduced H.R. 1440, The Stamp Out Censorship Act. This bill, which has 20 bi-partisan cosponsors, would clarify that the Federal Communications Commissions power to regulate indecency applies only to material broadcast over the public airwaves and does not extend to cable, satellite, the Internet, or any other medium. This legislation has been referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.

[merrily]

142. Writing fiction and allegations about raping kids IRL are the same now?

What a shameful post!

[libdem4life]

12. So, is this a lie? Is a slander/libel suit in order?

Or just another one of those damned inconvenient facts. "Who you going to believe, me or your lying eyes." Oh, and it's well known how he got his women in Arkansas...the Secret Service and local law enforcement official.

If there is one thing that is going to make a HRC living in the White House interesting, it's Bill, returning to the scene of the impeachment, undaunted by any personal responsibility, and having A Lot of time on his, um, hands.

That and his ability to counsel her through the halls of an impeachment filing of her very own.

What a duo. And they call it the Clinton Democratic Royalty...I don't think so.

[BootinUp]

23. unsubstantiated, uninvestigated, unconfirmed, sleaze reporting. But Lap it Up.

[libdem4life]

31. Lap it up? Are you for real? A mite touchy in the face of another

arguably typical Bill Clinton escapade. I mean, how much do they pay these underlings in these places to post these lies and prevarications? And who pays them?

I can hear it now...but HRC is the one running for President now. Yes, but her hubby...you know the one with the loud speaker LOL ... is going to be living there too. Unsupervised.

They probabaly don't even know who Bernie is. LOL. And it doesn't seem to get under Bernie's skin. He's satisfied to reap "haters and losers" through just telling it like it is.

[BootinUp]

39. Unlike some I do my part to hold DU political discussion to the standards

set by the owner.

[libdem4life]

42. Right. Bless your heart.

[840high]

47. Three cheers for you - you're a saint.

[merrily]

143. Oh, please.

[arikara]

56. I don't think its wise to stick one's head in the sand

This has been talked about on other sites for ages. It gets ignored here because of who it is.

http://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971

[BootinUp]

65. Sure, other sites that aren't committed to electing more Democrats, but this

one is.

[senz]

117. But Democrats have standards.

Don't we?

[merrily]

145. Is this site committed to excusing allegations of raping children if Democrats are involved?

If so, I really want a refund of ALL my donations to date. In fact, a class action may be in order.

[SidDithers]

14. The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary...

and it's become clear there's not a dimes worth of difference between the two.

Sid

[libdem4life]

37. Well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, acts like a duck ...

maybe she has some real issues. Just sayin'

[Demsrule86]

15. Here is hoping this is trashed

You are so despicable ...I have no words.

[grossproffit]

17. Just another day at the office.

[Demsrule86]

34. True that

no words.

[840high]

49. Is your message directed to Bill?

[awoke_in_2003]

58. I was juror 3

On Fri May 13, 2016, 06:43 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Here is hoping this is trashed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1957930

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

calling another DUer despicable. Jeez that's so mean and personal.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 13, 2016, 06:49 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yuck, what a loathsome OP. Wholeheartedly agree with poster. Thread should be locked and OP should be PPR'd. Just my personal opinion of course, and OP might be more reasonable after the primaries end, but that goes for the alerted post too, so I've voting to leave it.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The original post is despicable.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The OP is despicable. We are not the Free Republic.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: True, the thread is despicable, and I'm tired of these fake concern trolls look for any excuse alert.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future

[merrily]

146. You were? And you're proud about that? Good to know!

[awoke_in_2003]

154. Whatever

The OP was nothing but right wing BS.

[grossproffit]

16. Some will be very sad when Trump's extracurricular activities come to light.

[Joe the Revelator]

95. so everyone is a shitty candidate! awesome.

[merrily]

150. Exactly what a woman in one of Frank Luntz's focus groups said.

Part of his questioning of the focus group was on TV in the last day or two--and this story had nothing to do with the focus group. I don't have her exact words, but her comment was to the effect that it's incredible that, in a nation of over 300 million people, the best we can do for the two candidates for President are Hillary and Trump.

[NewImproved Deal]

207. Yep. "Vote for the marginally less Sh*tty Candidate!"

Seems to be their new campaign slogan...

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[jwirr]

19. I have never had sexual relations with.... Isn't that what

Bill said when he was with Lewinsky?

[trudyco]

20. Well if it's just an extramarital affair then

it's their business. Just like picking on Chelsea's looks back in the day or outing somebody who is a closet gay - that's low and uncalled for. It's a little bit grayer if it's a "Christian" who preaches the defense of marriage while cheating because Hypocrisy can be fair game.

But if its pedophilia then it's more than fair to ask. Epstein has been prosecuted. Clinton used the Lolita express at least a dozen times. He has history with younger women (though not with underage). He was there. It's fair to ask and it matters.

Not like Bernie's fantasies. Or Jimmy Carter having lust in his good ole Christian heart. Nothing solid there.

It matters like with Hastert or Foley. You have crimes to hide it makes you vulnerable to Blackmail. I wonder if Hastert ever got blackmailed.

I DO wonder why she used the phrase she did. Made me think of stained dresses for some reason.

[Sheepshank]

26. If you are talking about the phrase on the last graphic in the OP

That was made during an early Benghazi hearing and had to do with the death of her friend and colleague. They were asKing about all of the "could have been" scenarios, and she was making a point that they could come up with a million scenarios, hind sight beign20/20. She was upset that her friend had been killed.

That statement was being taken out of context by the OP to make a manufactured point unrelated to the OP

[Sheepshank]

46. The graphic was completely unrelated to the OP...why would you claim otherwise?

Your opportunistic mis information is despicable.

[CoffeeCat]

50. That's what bothers me so much

Epstein was prosecuted for having sex with underage girls. Prosecuted.

Bill Clinton was friends with this man and on 12 of these flights.

That was reported, a long time ago.

[CoffeeCat]

112. Actually, articles from Politico and Newsweek covered Bill Clinton's flights on Epstein's aircraft

I read about this "Lolita Express" story involving Bill Clinton taking flights on Epstein's private plane--a year ago.

I haven't revisited the subject since. I haven't read any new articles

I read a Politico article, and also a Newsweek article. (There was also another very long article--from a mainstream source. Vanity Fair? The Atlantic)


Politico
Press reports have noted that Bill Clinton, as well as actors Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker, used Epstein's private 727 to travel to Africa in 2002 for a Clinton Foundation tour of AIDS-fighting and development work. Flight logs filed in connection with another lawsuit show at least 10 journeys by Clinton on Epstein's planes.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/07/judge-unseals-more-details-in-jeffrey-epstein-underage-sex-lawsuit-210065#ixzz48bDjcU00

Newsweek
Some presidents and princes, having acquired a taste for the trappings of high office or monarchy, find it hard to resist the allure of the private jet. There were obviously other attractions for Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton – the private island in the Caribbean described by former staff as “like a five star hotel where nobody paid”, the pretty girls offering massages, the on-tap chat about theoretical physics..."
http://www.newsweek.com/2015/02/06/sex-offender-who-mixes-princes-and-premiers-302877.html

[senz]

123. Thanks, CoffeeCat. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

[yourpaljoey]

101. I think I am about to vomit

[libdem4life]

188. Maybe he just watched.

[arikara]

223. Barely prosecuted

Friends in high places got him off with a slap on the wrist. And note that I'm not specifying Clinton, Epstein is buddies with the rich and powerful all over the world.

[CoffeeCat]

225. I'm shocked that he was ever charged and prosecuted

That goes to show you what a serial pedophile scumbag this guy is.

The teenager who turned him in said that she was kept as a sex slave. Epstein did 18 months and had to register as a sex offender.

What in the hell was Bill Clinton doing hanging out with this scumbag predator? Pokitico reports that Bill Clinton was on 10 flights on Epstein's private jet.

Twisted, sick shit.

[merrily]

140. Unless there's lawsuits, perjury, impeachment, blackmail or other things like that.

I can't believe we were brainwashed into believing all that was only their personal business.

[asuhornets]

21. MADAME PRESIDENT HILLARY CLINTON--let that sink in. eom

[senz]

124. Epstein would probably enjoy a ride on AF1.

Life has so many pleasures.

[merrily]

141. LOL! o.k. nt

[asuhornets]

175. You still believe

Bernie Sanders will be President?

[merrily]

219. That has nothing to do with what you posted and I LOL'd at what you posted.

BTW, can you link me to any post of mine ever saying Bernie will be President?

Some of you people are so funny with your assumptions based on nothing whatever.

[Skwmom]

32. That is not the name I heard used for the island.

[randome]

33. Damn! Sounds like someone hasn't been getting any for a looooong time.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[libdem4life]

40. Well, we can guess who Doesn't fit that description. LOL. Try again.

[NWCorona]

41. Why did he not have secret service protection during some of the flights?

[NWCorona]

48. I've read he didn't protection at lest 5 times but who knows.

This topic is barely covered for obvious reasons.

[zappaman]

86. "I am so sorry this is from Fox"

[BernieforPres2016]

166. Why apologize for Fox as a news source when they are a big donor to the Clinton Foundation?

James Murdoch gave between $1 million and $5 million to the Clinton Foundation. So did Christopher Ruddy of NewsMax. If the Clintons think they are part of a right wing attack machine against them, why would they take the money?

[libdem4life]

192. 26 flights? Who has these records? Kind of makes HRCs failure

to produce transcripts pale. There are so many stories "gaining legs", or so it seems, that the common/former middle class/peasant can't even grasp the level of "folly" that keeps dripping out. (Another word came to mind, but I chose the more sarcastic and less offensive one.)

I want to see the Transcripts AND the flight logs. Inquiring minds want to know.

[libdem4life]

114. He did in Arkansas, in fact they were in on the prowl...so it is told.

I have a sister in Arkansas...it was pretty common knowledge that "proper folk" didn't want to look at. Does help with the secrecy aspect.

Maybe just being plain old Bill Clinton didn't warrant Secret Service. IDK about the dates and times...don't care that much. But he's a sex scoundrel...well known for decades. HRC? Pretty pathetic to stay with him, but it apparently has worked out well for their little family/political "royalty".

[merrily]

148. So it was told by this guy, who now works for Hillary, including smearing Sanders. Funny that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280193633

As far as Paula Jones, she sued. After Bubba battled her tooth and nail for over two years while on the taxpayer payroll, (1) a case came down interpreting the law about sexual harassment in the workplace differently than it had been interpreted to that point; and (2) the Jones attorneys named a new witness that they wanted to call, whereupon Bubba settled with Jones for more money than she had originally sued for. Do the math.

[CorkySt.Clair]

44. Bernie lost.

[840high]

51. What does your brilliant post

have to do with Bill?

[CorkySt.Clair]

93. Stings, don't it?

[840high]

118. Not at all. I think

you got confused - this is about Bill.

[senz]

122. Bernie hasn't lost and Hill hasn't won.

Shall I insert a childish little rofl smilie?

[pnwmom]

53. Thanks for being the latest purveyer of conservative wing-nut Hillary hate.

[Purveyor]

59. It's "purveyor" damn it!!! eom

[pnwmom]

70. I don't need to hear unsupported RW lies about anyone. n/t

[libdem4life]

200. Sorry...Democrats are sick of our party being sullied by This Couple.

In fact, I'm not even sure we have one except in name only. When the Clintons are our shining example, perhaps we Bernie folk aren't the ones who need to be informed.

But wait till she's in the GE. That's why I don't want her there...for the RWNJ to further sully our party.

[Cheese Sandwich]

67. I'm sure if Bernie Sanders were jetting about on the pedo express it would be an issue.

Or Jane Sanders for that matter.

And Bill Clinton is not just Hillary's spouse. He will be a top ranking whatever.

[Jack Bone]

74. Super delegate?

[Duppers]

221. Heard it was heading up trade.

Couldn't find anything along that line but this:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/05/hillary-clinton-bill-job-white-house-222708

[NanceGreggs]

71. Let's REALLY be clear ...

... about the fact that posting this kind of supermarket tabloid bullshit is now acceptable on DU, and is actually considered to be discussion-worthy.

I keep wondering just how low this site can go - and I am reminded daily that the "bottom of the barrel" to be scraped is actually a bottomless pit of RW talking points, and bullshit that even FreeRepublic would consider beneath them.

Yeah, go ahead - alert on this post. I'm sure that with a jury pool consisting of 85% BS supporters, I will get a "fair and balanced" jury to adjudicate.

I'd say this site has gone to the dogs - but dogs have a better sense of what should and shouldn't be allowed on a Democratic-supporting site.

Nice place you've got here, Skinner. It would be a shame if it were taken over by people who post this kind of crap while you stand by and do nothing, while claiming that OPs like this reflect "community standards". You might want to consider what "community" is setting these standards - but you apparently don't care.

[pnwmom]

77. +1. n/t

[IdaBriggs]

78. The question is "do you believe he did nothing wrong?"

Because *if* he was doing something wrong, that makes he and his wife subject to blackmail.

And if he was messing around with underage girls, that is kind of scummy. If he was hanging with pedophiles for fun while knowing what they were doing, that is kind of scummy.

But if you believe this is none of anyone else's business AFTER HE GOT IMPEACHED, you are out of your mind. "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion" is TRUE.

[840high]

119. +100

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

153. "KIND of scummy?"... beneath contempt if you ask me.

[Kittycat]

156. Call it what it is. Young girls were raped!

Imagine if it was the daughter of anyone here. But these are faceless, nameless young girls that stand between a candidate and them - so their life doesn't matter. The truth of their story, doesn't matter. We know what Epstein was, the question is, why did Bill associate with him when everyone else in that circle knew who he was. And why the hell didn't someone turn him in?

[IdaBriggs]

162. ^=== +1000!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

165. Good question... well said! And, just to add, you don't think Hillary knew where Bill was and what he was doing on orgy Island?

[cherokeeprogressive]

104. Refute it.

[BootinUp]

106. Democratic politicians don't need to refute tabloid journalism. nt

[NanceGreggs]

108. Some things are not worth responding to.

Refuting this kind of bullshit is like refuting birthers who claim that Obama is a "secret Muslim who was born in Kenya".

Not worth the bother.

[creeksneakers2]

126. This story has been out for years

Numerous girls came forward and have named famous people, including Donald Trump. There have been investigations and prosecutions. Not one girl has ever accused Bill Clinton. If Clinton had sex with underage girls there we would have found out about it long ago.

Of course, whenever wild accusations about the Clinton fall through, the accusers just claim there was a cover up. There was no cover up in this case though, because the guy behind the scam went to jail.

[libdem4life]

197. Just guessing, but site will probably go as low as the morals, ethics,

records of the First Couple of impeachment...a bit early, but if she makes it there, 3, 2, 1.....Served.

It's the Clintons. They are supposedly Democrats. That's why it's called DU...see, we get and discuss info about Democrats. Not just a cheerleading squad.

Censorship...the newest talking point for the day?

[pnwmom]

72. Flight logs to the Island and Secret Service records contradict these claims.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html

Virginia Roberts, 32, who claims she was pimped out by Epstein at age 15, has previously claimed she saw Clinton at Epstein’s getaway in 2002, but logs do not show Clinton aboard any flights to St. Thomas, the nearest airport capable of accommodating Epstein's plane. They do show Clinton flying aboard Epstein’s plane to such destinations as Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore, China, Brunei, London, New York, the Azores, Belgium, Norway, Russia and Africa.

SNIP

In response to a separate FOIA request from FoxNews.com, the U.S. Secret Service said it has no records showing agents were ever on the island with Clinton.

[pnwmom]

107. Flight logs AND Secret Service records. Wow. Both the FAA and the Secret Service

are in on the conspiracy.

What a pile of crap you're pushing here. Guess you just couldn't keep it all to yourself.

[creeksneakers2]

127. Anybody can accuse anybody of anything

If all the accuser has to say when it falls through is that there was a cover up. How about some evidence of a cover up?

[jonno99]

82. If indeed Bill traveled 5 times without SS protection, your post makes perfect sense - they

wouldn't have the logs/records for the times they were absent...

[pnwmom]

105. But the flight logs show that that trip took place within Asia -- nowhere near Epstein's island. n/t

[jonno99]

202. Ah! Ok - thanks for the info. nt

[TwilightZone]

84. lol, if even Fox News says it's false

The OP is complete garbage. Not that we didn't know that already.

[Skwmom]

81. To use the words Lolita and Orgy is morally repugnant.

When old men sexually exploit an young underage girl it is wrong to refer to the girl as a Lolita (it inappropriately tries to shift the blame to the underage victim).

Definition of Lolita : a precociously seductive girl

It is also wrong to refer to what occurred as an orgy because when most people hear the word orgy they think of consenting adults, not old men sexually exploiting underage girls.

If that was your daughter, granddaughter or sister would you want her referred to as a Lolita who engaged in island orgies?

[Skwmom]

147. Words used to describe a fact CAN change a person's view of those facts. Words matter!

[zappaman]

83. Oh, you've made it clear, no doubt.

Probably not in the way you hoped, though.

[Thinkingabout]

89. Hurry and get as many miles out of this as you can, book is coming out soon to clear

Bill Clinton of wrong doing, there are plenty of crappy links to rag magazine types.

[Thinkingabout]

161. No, http://pagesix.com/2015/12/01/epstein-sex-scandal-book-clears-bill-clinton/

[libdem4life]

201. Let's play Title the Book. "Damn that Blue Dress" comes to mind.

"Did Not" ... "Prove It" ... "Tattle Tails Wag the Big Dawg"

Then there is, "Clinton Cash", but that one has already come out.

Oh, the tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive. Shakespeare.

Nothing new under the Sun. Solomon

And yes, it matters...as does any prospective spouse...male or female.

[LonePirate]

102. The days of serious political discourse on DU are clearly in our rear view mirror.

[xloadiex]

103. Add to this story

the article in the WSJ about the Clinton Foundations 2m donation to a company partially owned by Julie Tauber McMahon. If you're not familiar with her just google.

Bullhorn Bill isn't having a good day.

[840high]

120. I'm familiar. Read it

this morning.

[frylock]

111. DU rec for the lulz

[The Second Stone]

113. We give a shit about your fabrications and campaign of lies why?

It's all lies with no evidence. That is why it is brought up years later during a campaign rather than turned over to authorities.

[senz]

115. There's also a report that Epstein sent $3.5 million to the Clinton Foundation

after the probe into his sex slave operation had begun.

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/02/jeffrey-epstein-secret-clinton-donation/

It's too bad the FBI probe was cut short and Epstein got off with 13 months.

[840high]

121. Interesting.

[KoKo]

174. Ken Starr "turnabout" Mentioned... snip:

The FBI joined the investigation in 2006 amid evidence that dozens of underage girls had been abused by Epstein and his friends, but the billionaire dodged federal prosecution thanks to a sweetheart deal negotiated with the Justice Department by lawyers including Ken Starr, the special counsel who ironically investigated Clinton’s financial dealings and sex allegations during his presidency.

The FBI probe was halted and its files tightly sealed — including all security camera video that might show the sex activities of Epstein and his pals — in exchange for his guilty plea to two relatively-minor underage sex charges.

A subsequent lawsuit, challenging that non-prosecution agreement, accuses officials of being pressured by powerful men to stop the FBI investigation.


http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/01/royal-sex-scandal-jeffrey-epstein-plea-deal-seal-prince-andrew-bill-clinton/

[senz]

186. Was Ken Starr bought off or ... threatened? What does it mean?

When I read that, I wondered if this is what Hillary meant when she so confidently stated that she wouldn't be indicted.

Those people scare me so much. Too much money and power. Too much force. Too much vengeance. It's going to kill this country if we allow it.

[BootinUp]

187. Ken Starr discredited, Bill C is popular to this day. Enjoy a little reality. nt

[senz]

189. I was asking about Ken Starr's collision in getting Bill's friend Epstein off

with a light sentence.

How odd that a supposed "Christian" prosecutor should do a 180 and let a predatory pedophile off so easy. Something strange was going on there. Doesn't that bother you at all?

[BootinUp]

190. Why would anything from a poster like you bother me? Seriously. lol.

[senz]

191. But Epstein's absurdly light sentence is a fact.

I didn't invent it. I didn't even know about Epstein until a few months ago.

It's like you guys have blinders on.

[BootinUp]

194. We have a forum here for Creative Speculation, its where conspiracy

theory clap trap belongs.

[senz]

196. You think Epstein's light sentence is a conspiracy?

Come on. That doesn't make any sense.

[delrem]

144. I understand that this is icky business. Very icky. Beyond just being "slick".

But Hillary Clinton is the presumptive Dem nominee, since year zero, so it's clear that your focus on this is just to take the focus off Trump, the Rep nominee, and it obviously follows that you promote whatever depravity that Trump exhibits.

Hey, Trump exhibits a lot!

So it's a question, if confined to a C vs T bubble, of who you want to fuck over the first and the worst.
It being a question of your intelligence as a voter in the USA.

Don't you feel wonderful, being constrained to a C vs T bubble? It makes for the best reality-TV.

[ucrdem]

157. Have we reached the bottom yet or is it possible to stoop even lower?

[Armstead]

164. Wait until the pivot to the GE -- The GOP and media is going to have a field day

The fact that Bill might be hanging around with such unsavory characters will be new fodder for the GOP and media and the campaign will descend to levels that I prefer not to speculate on.

The Clintons tend to be a magnet for this stuff, about sex and everything else. They are scandal magnets, and unfortunately it not not all a fiction concocted by the vast right wing conspiracy.

[Lizzie Poppet]

167. I can just imagine.

Variations on "does America need a 'First Philanderer' in the White House?"

Sadly (and embarrassingly), they'll have a point. Bill is an embarrassment.

[jillan]

158. After having a loving family like the Obamas in the White House over the last 7.5 years

I do not want to go back to this.

Nor Trump and his plastic wife.

[saidsimplesimon]

180. jillan, I agree.

Larry Flynt, Hustler Magazine, is one person who might be able to dig up more than parody for rumpf. I'd rather hear more pound rump, #rump, material if we are to dwell in the past.

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/hustler-larry-flynt-donald-trump-porn-parody-gop

[kevinmc]

159. Oh My ....n/t

[JoePhilly]

173. Another OP about Bill's dick on DU?

I guess some are coming to accept the fact that Bernie won't earn enough delegates to win ...

......so the search for outrages to throw at Hillary now shifts to some of our RW favorites.

[obamanut2012]

176. Yeah, and Nance had a hide that shouldn't have been a hide

wtf has happened to this site?!

[JoePhilly]

177. What has happened ...

... is a small number of trolls plus some of the perpetually disgruntled who are in search of absolutely any outrage they can pin on Clinton to save Bernie.

This silliness might actually be good news.

An indication that the Bern-outs are coming to realize he's not going to win the election, and so their only remaining hope is for some scandal (absolutely ANY scandal) that would remove Hillary from the race, clearing the way for their new Messiah to lead them to paradise.

So now they are reaching as deep into the sewer as they can in hopes of finding that piece of gold.

[senz]

195. Not "to save Bernie." To save America.

Why do you all get so lost in personalities and the "game" aspect?

This isn't a sport. This is about America's future.

[Starry Messenger]

178. I hope you are among the first to be banned.

[senz]

184. I hope more and more facts about the Clintons come out.

Because the American people deserve to know who it is who wants to get into the WH.

Constant coverup is not good.

[Starry Messenger]

185. "Facts" not in evidence.

Hopefully, you're on the list too.

[senz]

193. Wow. You seem to be as vengeful as your candidate.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195188-hillarys-hit-list

The whole thing is so unsavory.

[Starry Messenger]

198. Unsavory is writing an OP alleging that Bill Clinton raped little girls.

But, you're fine with that, so we part, not as friends. And no, some folks being banned will not be a loss for the discourse-levels on this site. I'm proud to not support people who think the OP is great.

[senz]

199. The OP questions his association/friendship with a notorious pedophile.

I don't see a direct allegation that BC "raped little girls."

[Starry Messenger]

203. It's right there, in the OP:

I mean, what could Bill's little trysts with underage girls on an offshore private island have to do with Hillary's decades-long ambition to become our country's first woman President?

[senz]

208. Hm, yes, insinuation. However, there is a larger issue

and that is all the reports of BC's association with Epstein and Epstein's multimillion doller donation to the Clinton Foundation shortly after a federal probe had been started against him.

Don't you think these issues should be cleared up in case Hillary becomes the nominee and has to face Republicans? Shouldn't the Clintons be fully vetted?

[Starry Messenger]

209. Anyone who supports the allegations and insinuations written in the OP deserves to be banned.

I have no more to say on the subject.

[senz]

213. I'd prefer the truth to come out. Whatever it is.

[Starry Messenger]

214. If you think it is what the OP says it is, that's on you.

[Number23]

229. + a million to all your posts, Starry

[Starry Messenger]

231. Thanks.

I shouldn't be surprised by what gets support here, but I guess I haven't lost my capacity for shock. X(

[CorkySt.Clair]

210. Pizza soon come

[Starry Messenger]

211. Speed the day.

And everyone who recced it.

[TheSarcastinator]

212. Clinton/Epstein 2016!

The DNC dream team.

[Fumesucker]

217. Epic thread...

Had "Highly Flammable" written all over it from the get go.

[Cheese Sandwich]

224. There's probably a reason some people who know Bill Clinton don't want their daughters near him

Claire McCaskill for example. She saw Bill Clinton as a great leader but didn't want her daughter near him for some reason.

Senator McCaskill seems to be implying she's afraid Bill Clinton would sexually assault her daughter if they were left alone together. Do I understand her meaning correctly?

[Vote2016]

230. Clinton friend Donny Deutsche says Bill's tie to Jeff Epstein is Hillary's greatest weakness.

Stay tuned.