2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton "Isn't Even The Target" Of FBI Investigation, "Inquiry, Whatever I-Word You Want"
"...Asked about the revelation that a 'security inquiry' is exactly the same thing as an 'FBI investigation', Wasserman Schultz responds: "Secretary Clinton isn't even the target of this investigation/inquiry. Whatever I-word you want to use."
...WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: Im only repeating what my understanding is. But beyond that this election will be decided by voters who make sure they have a president who has our backs and wont take peoples healthcare away now that 20 million people have it who didnt have it before. And wont take us back to a time when another president plunged our economy of into the [worst] economy since the great depression.
HEMMER: In the 5 seconds I have left. Is she taking this FBI matter seriously, yes or no?
WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: When you release 55,000 pages of emails and demonstrate the transparencies she has throughout this i word, most definitely, and thats still not what the voters will be making this decision on when they decide who they are voting for for president.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/13/debbie_wasserman_schultz_hillary_clinton_isnt_even_the_target_of_fbi_investigation_inquiry_whatever_i-word.html
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)and you know it. What's sick is the fact that so many here are cheering it on...and then call Hillary and her supporters Republicans
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/05/clintons-secret-email-accounts/
http://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2015/03/HRC-staff-QA-pdf.pdf
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Also the links provided are almost a year old.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)about this topic is to neglect to acknowledge the evolution of the internet. Keep in mind that most people only started using email as a major source of communication in the early 2000s, maybe 15 year ago (if you were ahead of the curve). Heck, Facebook was started in 2004, and only opened up to non-edu addresses in late 2006, the same year Twitter started.
My mom is an actress, and she remembers that every production she was involved with always put out a cast contact list. She has shown me several that she kept from the early 2000s. Even in 2005, only about half of the people on her cast lists had an email address. (And she is from the San Francisco Bay Area, so not a technically deprived part of the world!) Today, with email addresses essentially universal, it is hard to imagine how far we have come in just a decade.
Even internet safety has evolved dramatically in the past few years. The whole Edward Snowden thing was only in 2013, and the Anonymous 'hacktivism' didn't start until the same year that Hillary set up her email server. It really was a different world as recently as 8 years ago. This has to be taken into consideration when examining this entire situation.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)41 still do not have email.
apnu
(8,758 posts)NY Times reported on March 2nd 2015 that Hillary had used her private mail server exclusively to conduct state business.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html?_r=0
That is a clear violation of the State Records acts, as well as established policies and procedures on multiple levels of Government.
Yes Powell and Rice did it too. Yes the Bush White House lost millions of official emails. Nobody's been brought to accountability for that, nor has anybody strengthened the regulations and enforcement of regulations. This includes the Obama Administration.
Both the Democrats and the Republicans have been able to flaunt the rules and regulations and that's a very big problem for government transparency.
Hillary had to be cajoled and shamed to turn over those emails, its preposterous that she and her staff could keep secret official State Department work from us the citizens.
Having said all that, this is absolutely a witch hunt by the Republicans, because while they chase Hillary around they ignore their own violations and people. Not one of them has come forward to take Bush, Cheney, Powell or Rice to task. We even have recent interviews with Powell and Rice saying they ignored the State Department servers, and they shrugged and said "so what?" So they've admitted guilt of these violations and yet they walk free and unaccountable for their conduct.
TL;DR version: Hillary screwed up, Republicans hypocritically go after her for it.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)It was honest and clear, something much of the writing about this, DU or elsewhere, were not.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Time for change
(13,718 posts)She withheld some, which she claimed were just "personal", which turned out later not to be the case.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,364 posts)Influence-peddling
Insider
Incompetence
Ignorant
frylock
(34,825 posts)Arneoker
(375 posts)Doesn't mean I'm squirming. It only looks that way because your head is bouncing from one side to the other.
BTW, how serious was all of this for Colin Powell and Condi Rice? When do you expect them to be frog marched off to the slammer?
But do carry on with the really big issues!
frylock
(34,825 posts)My candidate doesn't have an interview with the FBI that is pending.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)private servers nor did they fail to report someone sending them NSA and CIA reports who had no clearance (among a host of other problems).
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Hillary's team can help find hackers! They're all tech whizzes and coders! Yeah, that's the ticket.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)What led them to Romania was Guccifer's disclosure of what he had found, not anyone else's input.
Hillary is being investigated for a crime or crimes. Get used to it.
frylock
(34,825 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Appears we have a small group of Rethugs keeping this alive for their own gains. Why would they not be investigating Collin Powell who used unprotected servers,something smells to high hell.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Do some research and you can easily find out why Powell wasn't investigated. I'll give one easy hint: Powell didn't use a private server set up in his house.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)There is prima facie evidence, at minimum, that a crime or crimes occurred. And Hillary is a target of the investigation. Deal with it.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The FBI never sets out to prove the lack of a crime.
They only investigate if there is evidence that indicates a crime has been committed.
They may find the evidence is convincing and recommend indictment. They may find that what looked like evidence of a crime has a legal explanation or that there is insufficient evidence to recommend indictment.
You are so eager to make excuses for Hillary that you don't give a damn about any of this. That is pathetic.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)I am trying to soften the blow when this does not happen. Call it spinning, it is like the spinning happening against Hillary.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)I don't know whether Hillary gets indicted or not. None of us do. But to dismiss the investigation is both foolish and irresponsible. To play silly games about it is childish. That's not spin.
Whatever the outcome it needs to be decided BEFORE the nomination. If she were to be indicted after the nomination, trump is president, end of story. Neither of us want that.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)This, now honestly those wishing for an indictment are probably going to disappointed.
reddread
(6,896 posts)or, would even an indictment not permit such an admission?
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)another server which had zero protection. Okay,and I think the DOJ covered Clinton's behind when she went to a private server. If there was some really nasty crap buried on this server,it would have surfaced already. Clinton is a dummy,and when she set this up or whom ever set this up,had their bases covered. Clinton has been the insider choice of the Dem establishment since 2008 and one only has to look how D.C. works and as much as I would prefer Bernie,been working Campaigns since 1960,and in saying that,you know to read between the lines and look at where did that come from.
Clinton will survive,Wall Street and the Media are making their Margins of this at this time. Washington is a sieve and the Guy running the FBI is on his usually ego trip. And when the President says there is no there there,good enough.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Particularly this: "If there was some really nasty crap buried on this server, it would have surfaced already".
How could it surface if the FBI only got a lot of information by restoring the server and getting backed up information off of a protected cloud site? Certainly foreign governments aren't going to volunteer what secrets they grabbed off the unprotected server. The hacker, Guccifer, did reveal a bit of classified info that was passed between Blumenthal and Hillary.
I think there is some really nasty crap on there and that is what the FBI is pursuing. There is no doubt they have something they believe indicates a crime or crimes were committed. Hence, the investigation.
I don't think Comey is on an ego trip, he is doing his job. I do think president Obama made a huge mistake when he commented on this, given he does not know what the FBI knows.
The fact that the FBI is interviewing Hillary after they have interviewed all the lower level people indicates she is a target. That's how cases are usually built, from the bottom up.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Understand your points. Inside the Beltway,folks live in a really Egotistic Elitist Bubble,and in that lies the real crux of anything Political.. Who do you believe,what is real and what is a planted accusation by someone with a Agenda.
Until Comey plays his hand,all bets are off the table.
As far as Obama 's statement,that in it's self was to help Clinton as a favor. Now we will have to just wait and see.
But hey,this debate as to what is going on is healthy to the National Debate,at least we are seeing people starting to pay attention and that is what counts. And our Country only gets better as a result. As Bernie often says,we have to wake up the nation so they pay attention to what is important.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Usually, the only part of his statement that gets repeated is that he was sick and tired of hearing about the damned emails. The rest of his statement makes it clear that he thought the email flap was drowning out the discussion of the issues he wanted to address.
Far from saying it was "much to do (sic) about nothing", Bernie made a noncommittal statement that it wasn't appropriate for him to comment on an ongoing FBI investigation.
Colin Powell didn't do all of his SoS business off the books, using private email. Hillary did. I'm not averse to having Powell's activity investigated, too, and perhaps it already has been.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)or the other.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)But on May 11, reporters met with FBI Director James Comey, and he said he is not familiar with the term "security inquiry." Instead, he said, "we're conducting an investigation. That's what we do."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/may/12/fbis-investigation-hillary-clintons-emails-recap/
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)If the RNC chair said something like "Trump isn't even the target of an FBI investigation", what would DU be saying?
We'd be saying both that Trump was likely the target, and that the GOP was in deep trouble. "X isn't the target" is the sort of last-ditch denial that gets made right before the shit hits the fan. It's a cousin to "I am not a crook".
I'm expecting a lot of "Well, Hillary might have done X, but that's not really illegal" arguments to be floated in the next week.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)That'll be the excuse and the way to get her a free pass.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)for the FBI! Wishful thinking reported as anything else is very amusing.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... And laughed my ass off when DWS went into vapor lock when asked how she knows.