2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDon't let other OPs fool you ... Sanders has only won 11 of the last 25 ... BS is not on a roll
Since March 8th, Sanders has won the following:
Michigan, Idaho, Utah, Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Rhode Island, Indiana, West Virginia
Since March 8th, Sanders has LOST the following:
Mississippi, Northern Marianas, Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, Arizona, New York, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Guam
And in that same time, Sanders has LOST the pledged delegate race 1042 to 944. BS has fallen behind by nearly 100 pledged delegates during that period. That is not the definition of being "on a roll".
If you need to be lied to, to pretend that your candidate is still in the race, what does that really say about your chances?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016
BootinUp
(47,053 posts)msongs
(67,347 posts)him in those
w4rma
(31,700 posts)pnwmom
(108,955 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)are only suppressed if they want to be, because they refuse to register as a Democrat. Of course, they cry about being a victim at that point.
Closed primaries are the most democratic of all, as they allow for the least amount of cross party shenanigans.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Based on the trends the standard delegate count will be very close between the two and it is unlikely that either will have secured enough standard delegates to secure the nomination.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)1 more delegate them Hillary. It is improbable but not impossible
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)And there will still be DC to go on June 14th. And Secretary Clinton won't need Montana, New Mexico, North Dakota or South Dakota on June 7th to achieve that either. And probably not New Jersey either.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)She will not clinch until the last state, if at all.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)and Secretary Clinton will still clinch before those votes are counted. It doesn't matter if they're a "state" or not. You people sure are letting your desperation show, in just about every post you make.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)pnwmom
(108,955 posts)have already been assigned and she only needs 35% of the remaining pledged delegates to win the majority of them. IOW, she could lose ALL of the remaining contests with 35% or more of the vote and win the majority.
Bernie has only won 45% so far and he needs more than 66% of the remaining pledged delegates to get the majority.
It is extremely likely that Hillary will win the 35% she needs to win the majority of pledged delegates, and extremely unlikely Bernie will get his 66%.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)For what that is worth.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)If those votes were counted, Bernie may have won the state, outright. The night's exit polls back this analysis up, too.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Hillary won NY by almost three times that amount.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Especially in NYC, where she did very well.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Hillary polls very poorly among the independent demographic.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Many of those voters were Democrats, not independents, who were impacted by a bureaucratic screw up.
Progressive dog
(6,898 posts)what they want to hear and the internet starts Berning with the fantasy.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Progressive dog
(6,898 posts)BTW Just like elections that are not close are called well before all votes are in, Bernie is too far behind to have a realistic chance at the nomination.
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longship
(40,416 posts)Blah blah de-blah de-blah blah de-blah de-blah.
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SFnomad
(3,473 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Another OP states "last 25" and LIES about the outcome. I'm just correcting that.
merrily
(45,251 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)So, no, it's not clear at all that you know what you're talking about.
Progressive dog
(6,898 posts)downhill.
George II
(67,782 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)then drop in donations x previous velocity = drop in momentum.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Michigan was the exception, but he won that by about 1% (less than 18,000 votes)
msongs
(67,347 posts)about winning in an undemocratic manner lol
NewImproved Deal
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SheilaT
(23,156 posts)at being President?
I mean, you are saying that we don't need to bother to vote for the person we think is best, but simply for the person whose turn it is. I'm so relieved. I don't ever have to think about a candidates positions. or whether or not they tell the truth, or how late they were to gay rights, or if they voted for a truly stupid war, or any of that stuff. All I need to know is whose turn it is, right?
I am so glad I never need to think about what really matters, ever again.
matt819
(10,749 posts)And skip the obvious spin, and it's a tad closer than you're suggesting. Yes, Hillary is on the lead, but she hasn't won yet. And this is against an old socialist she was leading by 60 points at the start of the campaign.
Not impressed, with Hillary or your reasoning.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)people are ready to bring it all down.people who thought
the same way you do.----30-40 yr. democrats.are done.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)tRump is part of the problem. You can either be part of the solution or part of the problem ... that's really your choice.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)this is not just the youngsters.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)until they decide they need to do more than just attend rallies.
riversedge
(70,047 posts)132nd Last Angry Man
(34 posts)BootinUp
(47,053 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... will be the most bitterly disappointed and will have the hardest landing when reality sets in.
That will be a shame, won't it?
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)The last week or so before Skinner finally calls it around here is going to show them to be insufferable.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... (not all) of his followers are now engaging in, is a good indicator of the desperation they're feeling and the direness of the situation. You're absolutely correct, SFnomad ... their behavior and aggression will become worse as we witness his campaign's final death throes.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)I'm sure you can figure out which is which.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... a couple that I like, and one that I admire. They're all passionate and enthusiastic, but also reasonable and realistic and pragmatic.
In fact, these few individuals here are exactly like ALL the Bernie supporters that I know in real life.
Number23
(24,544 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)joshcryer
(62,265 posts)I think people who spread that meme are lying trolls. They know he's lost but just post garbage because they get something out of it.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)If he's lost, does that mean she's got the delegate count she needs to secure the nomination?
And can you possibly explain why she herself didn't drop out of the 2008 race until after the final primary? Really? Then why should he drop out now?
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)So your question is highly confusing.
I'm saying that we should not lie that he has a chance to win. With proportional delegations Sanders needs an extremely unlikely series of wins, with landslides in every race. Clinton can lose every single one and still win.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)of pledged delegates. Of course, that's not going to happen ...
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)She was supposed to have this in the bag a year ago. Clearly she is an incredibly weak candidate. Her negatives are incredibly high and getting higher. She polls very badly against Trump.
Personally, I'm done with voting for a lesser of evils.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)what does that really say about your chances?"
Or your intelligence/character?
Indpndntfrombirth
(9 posts)There is no dishonor in honestly believing that true social progress stands with a particular dandidate. That the tide of the primaries appears to favor the other candidate should not debase the sincere perspectives of the minority. Tolerance used to be a virtue.
History will tell whether Hillary was worthy of the big ideas of her opponent.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Obama didn't kick Senator Clinton's ass ... it was a close race that Senator Clinton won the popular vote on.
Secretary Clinton is creaming BS by 3+ million voters and way more delegates than Obama beat her by. And you people still think BS has some kind of chance.
Logical
(22,457 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)He was a rising superstar in the democratic party. It is like saying you have never heard if Elizabeth Warren.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)It has been 80 percent or more for Bernie Sanders in states like Hillary Clintons birth state Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsinthose delightful Blue Firewall states.
This is the No. 1 voting-age base carried by Democrats. It is embarrassing for the long-perceived frontrunner Hillary Clinton.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)The Democratic Partys No. 1 voting-age support comes from 1829. The Republican Partys No. 1 voting-age support comes from 65+.
Bernie Sanders, not Hillary Clinton, performs best with the Democrats voting-age base. Hillary Clinton, not Bernie Sanders, performs best with the opposition partys voting-age base.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)I was looking at your profile.
It says that your favorite group is the one for Bernie Sanders.
I do not understand.
Can you explain?
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)I want to know why you are posting at all on the group for Bernie Sanders.
Based on your writings, I assumedprior to looking up your profileyou would claim as your favorite group the one for Hillary Clinton.
This is your thread. People, including myself, who have responded are kind to do so. And you are in no position to command what the responses can and will be.
If you dont answer my questionregarding why your favorite group is the one for Bernie Sandersthen it will become clear that your postings cannot be trusted.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)your profile says that your favorite group is the one for Bernie Sanders.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)answer your question, there is a difference. Someone like you, who demands an answer, will not receive it.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)your profile page, where it lists Favorite Group, it says yours is Bernie Sanders. That you have posted 6 within the past 90 days.
Why, with so few a number of posts in Favorite Group, would you post in Bernie Sanders when it is clear you prefer Hillary Clinton?
And why are you dodging my question?
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)It doesn't matter how many times you ask/demand, you're not getting an answer. Doesn't matter what you assume, you're probably wrong ... but right or wrong ... no answers for you.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)It sounds like the motivation of your posting on the group for Bernie Sanders may have been to troll it.
The fact that you were present there more than the at the group for Hillary Clintonwhich is more appropriate for youis a logical conclusion.
That you have put forth an effort to not answer my question tells me that I have good reason to not trust you.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)and you couldn't be more helpful ... just remember, no answers for you!
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)because it's what you want to believe.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)But still, no answers for you ... just assumptions on your part.
It's time for goodnight, so I'll continue this tomorrow if you can't get enough of kicking this OP for me. I appreciate your help in keeping this important topic visible.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Really? What kind is that?
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)If you live in a state which has not yet voted in this years Democratic presidential primaries please make a point of participating in voting.
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CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)Is this your idea of unifying the Democratic Party?