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Hillary's new ad on Trump taxes, "What is Donald hiding?" (Original Post) bigtree May 2016 OP
Really? Trump is a racist misogynistic bigot and Hides-Her-Transcripts complains about transparency? Vote2016 May 2016 #1
You ok? JaneyVee May 2016 #2
HDS bigtree May 2016 #3
It's projecive mirroring. delrem May 2016 #4
thing is, Trump's cronyism and corruption is evident bigtree May 2016 #5
No. Hillary is corrupt to the tune of $200 million, delrem May 2016 #6
mythology of the Sanders campaign bigtree May 2016 #8
Bill and Hillary's speaking fees aren't a "myth", bigtree. delrem May 2016 #9
the post is about Trump bigtree May 2016 #11
So you default to deny the issue entirely, once again. delrem May 2016 #13
the op is about Trump and Hillary bigtree May 2016 #14
Showing your entire depth and breadth. delrem May 2016 #16
+1 Reality In a Nutshell....I'm bookmarking for sanity sake....n/t Henhouse May 2016 #22
lol reddread May 2016 #7
This would be a good ad if she would release the transcripts. Ash_F May 2016 #10
If that's Trump's defense bigtree May 2016 #12
I am hard pressed to think of another candidate that made millions in speeches to business interests Ash_F May 2016 #15
There's no precedent for presidential candidates to release transcripts of speeches. MoonRiver May 2016 #20
My reply to this would pretty much be the same as post #15 Ash_F May 2016 #23
I don't know about that. MoonRiver May 2016 #24
Good ol' Let's-Get-Down-and-Dirty Politics. Love it. Buns_of_Fire May 2016 #17
kick bigtree May 2016 #18
What's Hillary hiding? hobbit709 May 2016 #19
LMFAO! You can't help but laugh! Where are the transcripts Hillary!? pinebox May 2016 #21
Freaking laughable, nt. Broward May 2016 #25
Where are the Transcripts? We know, they don't fit the "progressive libdem4life May 2016 #26
 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
1. Really? Trump is a racist misogynistic bigot and Hides-Her-Transcripts complains about transparency?
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:11 AM
May 2016

delrem

(9,688 posts)
4. It's projecive mirroring.
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:46 AM
May 2016

It projects Hillary's greatest weaknesses on her enemy, Trump.
Of course Trump already has plenty of weaknesses, not least that he's a neo-nazi who's enthusiastic about re-introducing torture and eliminating the federal minimum wage. But that doesn't matter. What matters is that Hillary projects her failing on Trump, while avoiding discussion of anything to do with her personal finances, the finances of her foundation, the finances of the companies that own her. She set up a private server so as to foil any kind of transparency, even with the gov't she served, to hide the absolutely incredible graft. Just from what we know, that she couldn't succeed in hiding, the corruption and graft is orders of magnitude greater than I've ever seen. Consider just the Saudi dealings, alone - just wow.

So to project that on Trump, to take the heat off her, makes sense.

She does it in her campaign vs Sanders, too.

bigtree

(85,975 posts)
5. thing is, Trump's cronyism and corruption is evident
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:39 AM
May 2016

...while Hillary's is mostly projection; a fiction created by the right-wing and co-opted in this campaign by Sanders and his followers to hype a phony revolution.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
6. No. Hillary is corrupt to the tune of $200 million,
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:00 AM
May 2016

counting her husband's takings. That's in the books.
Then count in the takings of the family foundation, the payoffs coincidental with deals, and there's a smell of corruption that even Trump hasn't reached. Yet.

You used to be for O'Malley, or so you said, now you're just spouting mindless pro-Clinton talking points "Oh dear. Hillary is such a victim!"

Shallow.

bigtree

(85,975 posts)
8. mythology of the Sanders campaign
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:17 AM
May 2016

...riffing off of republicans.

The Sanders campaign used to be about high ideals and big ambitions. Now it's just a pathetic, anti-Hillary effort. Listen to yourself. So wrapped up in this fiction you've created about Hillary that you can't even bring yourself to defend against the real threat to your professed progressiveness.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
9. Bill and Hillary's speaking fees aren't a "myth", bigtree.
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:25 AM
May 2016

So, what the fuck did happen to your interest in O'Malley's politics, in your journey to a position where your deepest argument is to claim that the the Clinton family finances are "a myth"?

Do you give a shit about ANYTHING?

bigtree

(85,975 posts)
11. the post is about Trump
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:38 AM
May 2016

...and you're still fighting the primary you've all but lost.

More than that, you're busy arguing with a projection of your own bias, amazingly, pathetically, extending that petty politics to rag on me like you actually know something substantive enough about me to make such strident judgments.

You're conclusions about the Clintons are certainly a myth. Like this election you've lost - but still acting like you're accomplishing something more than just bashing Hillary - your accusations of corruption are not proven and haven't gone any further than the speculative, innuendo stage for the decades they've been a staple of right-wing opposition.

There's nothing more illustrative of the vacuousness of the Sanders campaign than the continued focus on this failed anti-Hillary effort and the willful enabling of the opposition to her by furthering and continuing these bogus attacks.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
13. So you default to deny the issue entirely, once again.
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:43 AM
May 2016

And to taunt with the "your candidate lost!", as if that pertained to the issue.

I don't think you care about ANYTHING.

bigtree

(85,975 posts)
14. the op is about Trump and Hillary
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:53 AM
May 2016

...if you want to continue the primary on behalf of Sanders, start your own thread.

If you're still intent on advocating against the presumptive Democratic nominee, you'll have to carry that on without my participation or cooperation.

You do that without any regard to the real threat to your professed progressiveness, though. Your choice. No one is forcing you to advocate against Hillary, but, in just a matter of weeks, that effort will best be accommodated at less Democratic sites than this one. Good luck with all of that.

bigtree

(85,975 posts)
12. If that's Trump's defense
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:43 AM
May 2016

...or even Sanders', I'd remind you and them that the release of tax records and returns have been a staple of presidential campaigns since the '70's - transcripts of speeches, not so much.

That's not going to work.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
15. I am hard pressed to think of another candidate that made millions in speeches to business interests
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:06 AM
May 2016

Prior to running for office.

This election would be a first in a lot of ways.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
20. There's no precedent for presidential candidates to release transcripts of speeches.
Sun May 15, 2016, 09:24 AM
May 2016

Release of tax records, on the other hand...

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
24. I don't know about that.
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:25 PM
May 2016

I have never looked into it, but famous people make speeches to all kinds of groups, including businesses. It is NOT a crime!

Buns_of_Fire

(17,154 posts)
17. Good ol' Let's-Get-Down-and-Dirty Politics. Love it.
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:17 AM
May 2016

And it won't get any more high-minded from here on out. Not with Rump as one of the players, it won't.

Come November, like in South Park, it really will come down to a choice between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich.

So all together, now:
We've got spirit, yes we do!
We are sandwiches filled with poo!

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
21. LMFAO! You can't help but laugh! Where are the transcripts Hillary!?
Sun May 15, 2016, 09:56 AM
May 2016

This is Hillary's problem, everything she is going to accuse Trump of she has done! It's a circle jerk of idiocy.

She says Trump basically hates immigrants yet Hillary voted for a border fence!
Don't think for one second this will go unnoticed.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
26. Where are the Transcripts? We know, they don't fit the "progressive
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

liberal". Because if they did, you wouldn't have gotten rich over these past 20 years. You know, they were Arkansas broke after Bill's governorship...her words. Then they came and ended up very, very rich.

Inquiring minds want to know because I want to do it, too. Also, all those young women who are supposed to be inspired by this female champion? How do they follow in her footsteps. Let's skim past the marrying up part.

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