I'm With Her...

[Grassy Knoll]

[NewImproved Deal]

1. YAY!!

[link:|

[Logical]

18. Lol, a 20 year old pic? Really?

[merrily]

102. 20 is generous, I think.

I don't care what Hillary looks like. I do care that I have seen maybe a zillion pics of her and I still don't know what she really looks like.

[bigtree]

2. k&r

[Hassin Bin Sober]

12. Who did the art for that jacket? Mike Judge?

[Hortensis]

84. Hey, cute! My guess for the artist is the spouse and

of course it was a gift for the convention.

[libdem4life]

3. I can wait until we find one who doesnt bring a truckload of political baggage

with her. This one isn't the one.

[cui bono]

58. We don't have to look far, there's plenty of fantastic women out there.

[libdem4life]

60. Absolutely...they just didn't get their Free to Pass Go Card.

The Clinton Bubble/Machine, IMHO, is part of the rigged situation. Why else did not one Democrat arise to challenger her...it took an Independent.

Some say "It's Her Turn" is not the truth. But, that's how it rolled. And, as you state, there are many out there with equal or better qualifications to represent our entire gender. And make no mistake, being the first female president, in and or itself is a gender issue. We don't typically say the 44th Male President of the US. There is a reason. It's no big deal...it's the way it is.

And I doubt it will be Elizabeth Warren...her family put the nix on that. I like Tulsi Gabbard, but frankly, I don't know of many qualified and ready. I'm ready to learn, however.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

85. I fear that any woman will just be called a bitch and demonized. If Hillary can't get in with her

qualifications, no other woman will in my lifetime. We have "the bitch Barbara Boxer"," "the bitch Nancy Pelosi," "the bitch Diane Feinstein," and once Elizabeth Warren begins to start working with Hillary, it will be "the bitch Elizabeth Warren." And this is not just from Republicans, it's also from supposedly "progressive" men.

[libdem4life]

89. Oh, please. No need for such drama. HRC is a War Hawk.

I'll stop there as I'm on record recently with much more. If that's the female gold standard, god help us. In fact, you should self delete. That language is detestable.

[Thinkingabout]

4. I'm with her.

[sheshe2]

5. ...

[SwampG8r]

90. 40 something k for katies endorsement

[sheshe2]

93. ;)

[northernsouthern]

96. Wow!

The lady that slut shamed women in her profession supporting HRC? I did not see that coming...

[dreamnightwind]

6. Gross

[sheshe2]

8. ...

[bigtree]

10. here ya go

[sheshe2]

95. Ha!

[whatchamacallit]

7. Yeah, well

[Grassy Knoll]

17. The Donald Duck?

Now that's quite brazen, But we all figured it out quite early in this game.
Bravo, Comrade!!!!!!11111

[whatchamacallit]

28. Bwahahaha I see you

Gassy Troll.

[seekthetruth]

9. Disgusting.

No thanks.

[bigtree]

13. adorable

[sheshe2]

15. ;)

[Fawke Em]

25. That means average people.

Not oligarchs like the Clintons.

[Dragonfli]

11. .

[seekthetruth]

14. That is fucking scary!

[Zynx]

16. Eye. Roll.

Yes, the armchair revolutionaries.

[pdsimdars]

46. Right on the money.

[basselope]

19. Sorry, but she doesn't have a viable path.

[Grassy Knoll]

20. I love You Guys/Gals....

Way Better than comedy central, XXXX OOOO's!!!

[basselope]

21. Sorry for the dose of reality.

[Grassy Knoll]

22. WHAT?....

[basselope]

23. Sorry the truth hurts.

She simply has no viable path.

[Grassy Knoll]

26. Do You Do Wedding???

[basselope]

29. Nope.

But it doesn't change reality.

Sorry.

[Fawke Em]

24. I'm female and I'd prefer the first female president not be a corporate owned war hawk.

She'll hurt female candidates for decades.

Ever wonder why there's not been another British PM since Thatcher?

[LuvLoogie]

33. Hmmmm....

I suppose Benazir Bhutto and Golda Meir messed it up for the other women in their country, too. Are you going to throw Angela Merkel under the bus, too?

Ever wonder why there wasn't a woman head of state before them in their respective countries? Isn't that the larger question?

[Fawke Em]

34. The larger question is why we keep voting for plurocrats.

I don't care what gender they are.

[pdsimdars]

47. And THAT is THE important question? Why keep voting for plutocrats????

[libdem4life]

61. This...a gender-neutral term/person/political position.

[Jester Messiah]

27. Not happening.

I'd suggest bailing out of that car before it goes over the cliff.

[pdsimdars]

48. Nicely said.

[SheilaT]

30. Once again, the only reason given for electing her

is that she's a woman. Nothing about her actual qualifications for the office, which are really quite slim. She has a history of lying. She supports many things that actively harm people, such as fracking, such as bombing civilians, such as the TPP, such as being willing to compromise on a woman's right to control her own body. The list goes on and on.

Yeah, I'd love to see a woman President, but not this woman.

[bigtree]

31. projection

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...there's an entire career and campaign of detail and substance laid out in front of you and all you can focus on is your resentment that women are supporting another woman.

If you're not focusing on that, you're projecting your own bias against her with a caricature of her record and her intentions in office.

Btw, it'll be a choice between 'this woman' and Trump. Which side are you on?

[Fawke Em]

35. There are more parties that D and R.

Oh, yeah, you've blocked me because you don't want to hear the reality that many Democrats think she's horrid.

[SheilaT]

37. Her entire career includes things like

lying about being under sniper fire in Bosnia, resisting a truly livable minimum wage, fracking, bombing villages. That's not the side I'm on.

I'm on Bernie Sanders' side. She still has not locked up the nomination. So just how terrific is she? Not very.

[bigtree]

41. that's all shorthand

...for your campaign's cynical spin on Hillary's record.

Her voters know better than to reduce her career down to those distortions of yours.

Sanders has lost this primary. He won't be our nominee. It's a slim reed you're hanging on to advocate for Sanders against our presumptive Democratic nominee, who, by the way, is making even less of an impact at the voting booth than either Hillary or Trump.

[SheilaT]

50. No, it's not shorthand.

It's factual statements about her record. And her supporters overlook all of these things at their own peril.

Sanders is still in the race. Hillary didn't drop out until after the last primary in 2008. I haven't had a chance to vote yet, and I intend to vote for him next month.

[libdem4life]

65. Dismissal is not dialogue. About her record...and the distortions...

they are reality that disqualify her for a Progressive/Liberal. No one is saying she hasn't done good things. So stop with the victim card.

She holds positions that are not tenable with the traditional Democratic Party. She consorts with those the Democratic Party does not recognize (Bush, Kissinger and others come to mind)

In her hour of financial need, she charged into the Republican Donor Room with hands out. To be sure, that is where she feels comfortable. Even when the entire DNC/Democratic Establishment has been shilling for her like forever.

[bigtree]

68. victim card?

...she's prevailed over the distortions and self-serving political attacks to become our presumptive Democratic nominee.

That's a historic accomplishment, hardly cause to play your victim card. Let that sink in. Just a matter of weeks and you'll be advocating against our Democratic nominee, the first woman nominee for president in our nation's history. That has to bern.

[libdem4life]

71. Not really. The historic accomplishment...how exactly to read that,

other than her gender. Perhaps the first under FBI investigation...that's not gender specific.

Paragraph one hardly singles her out...happened a ton of times on both sides.

Second paragraph...well, there you have it.

I just feel she is not qualified as a Liberal Progressive. As a Corporatist Establishment candidate, she nails it.

I've heard it said....For the government we have, Hillary is best suited. For the government we need, Bernie is our guy.

Class war. Elites vs. the People. That's how I and many others see it. And will she be better than Trump...you can avoid that reply to me...Yes, by a long shot.

Oh, and it does not "bern". Cute, however.

[bigtree]

74. she's not going to live the Sanders' campaign caricature

...so yes, hers will be a historic presidency in many respects.

[libdem4life]

75. Well, I was going to let this conversation die a natural death, but

this is one I've not heard...The Sanders' campaign caricature. What exactly is that.

I mean he's let her off the email hook, admitted to really liking her, gives her hugs, has done little but just recently start talking about her actual record...no apparent personal smears...just the record.

So ????

[bigtree]

81. funny you should bring up the email canard

...99% pure campaign invention.

Is there some other issue that you have with no actual evidence to support your claims that you want to highlight and discuss?

[libdem4life]

83. The email canard? Go tell it to the FBI. We're done here.

[bigtree]

87. they already know

...and this thing was over for you after Guam voted.

[SheilaT]

52. So please enlighten me as to the Progressive policies

she championed and passed in her years in public office? Somehow I never see anything here other than vague platitudes about how she's supposedly fought for women and children, and if someone brings up things like the Three Strikes laws, or the ending of welfare which hurt women and children terribly, or her support of the Libyan fiasco, these are dismissed as irrelevant.

Yes, I am biased against her, because I clearly see what terrible things she's done.

And if it's a choice between her and Trump I'll be writing Bernie Sanders' name in come November. I am not going to vote for the lesser of two evils, because it's still evil. If she can't more to a genuinely progressive place why should I vote for her? It is up to HER to convince me she has positive qualities and positions I can actually vote for.

And since the Hillary supporters here love to sneer that Sanders can only win in open caucuses or primaries, as if the independents and crossover Republicans somehow won't matter in November, then she can win without my one vote.

[bigtree]

70. so it all amounts to getting your way or just throwing stones from the sidelines for you

...no real commitment to forming coalitions of support to defeat the real threat to those progressive ideals you profess to support.

Welcome to irrelevancy.

[SheilaT]

76. Once again, all her supporters can say are vague generalities.

I'm still waiting to learn about the specific progressive policies she championed, or better yet put into place, in her years in public life.

[libdem4life]

63. Resentment? Well, beats Hater when daring to mention her record.

That's all it takes for the Shame Machine to roll in.

[JudyM]

43. 'Zactly. Hillary is corporate owned and personal-power-and-profit-driven.

[6chars]

53. She knows her stuff

Compare her mastery of all the issues to any of the other candidates. It is not even close. And she knows how government works, how diplomacy works. It is true she is not a charmer like Bill or Barack, and her rationality doesn't work up the passion like Bernie. But we.are.looking for the best candidate to run the country. I don't think it matters much one way or the other that she is a woman. Nice for history but that is not why people should vote for her. They should vote for her because of what she can do as president, period.

[libdem4life]

66. Unfortunately, her judgment sucks. Understanding does not equate to wisdom.

She's a War Hawk. That's enough for me. Others may agree with sending our best and brightest out to pound sand for some sort of glory, or to enrich the Military Industrial Complex' balance sheet...oh, and important corporate support.

There are ever so many more corporatist/right wing positions, but that that one right there ends it for me.

[Merryland]

103. very well said.

there's blood on her hands.

[SheilaT]

77. With all of her amazing diplomatic skills,

remind me again of the peace accords she brokered, or the times she's kept us from invading, or kept two other countries from fighting? I'm having a lot of trouble remembering any of these.

What exactly can she do as president? How will I know which one of her many stands on so many issues she'll actually support once elected? Like LGBT rights, for instance.

[6chars]

94. A potentially great president

1) sanctions against Iran that gave Kerry leverage. that took getting countries to do something they did not want to do. in general as SOS she was implementing President's goals and vision (which may have been overly optimistic in some cases, e.g., with regard to the Arab Spring) although one gets the sense he gives Kerry more leeway as they didn't have the same kind of personal history. as a president, she will be able to build alliances and deal with the toughest countries out there - Russia, China, Iran probably - without being taken advantage of.
expect her to lead on climate change, women's rights, quite possibly education, and to achieve some improvement in progressiveness of tax code

2) she will be pro LGBT. it is pretty clear to me that she was articulating political stances to the right of her true beliefs at some points. She, like Obama, needed a Biden to break the ice on it. fair enough. she will have positions that vary from moderate Democrat to liberal Democrat - more of the latter than her husband. she sometimes swerves to the left of or to the right of that. In this, she is like most politicians.


she is certainly not perfect - she has a 40+ year record you can comb through.

[libdem4life]

107. Emphasis on potential.

Paragraph 1) One word: Syria

Paragraph 2) Who knows? She is a self-described Moderate, as is her husband. Right-leaning Moderate, as to her record.

Not mentioned in either ... 3) Two words: War Hawk

4) Money... she goes to Bush Donors...Republicans...as her initial money has been spent to win a nomination that the Establishment (in deeds, if not words) had a Coronation planned after the first few wins.

Bernie goes to the People for money...his constituency.

Hillary goes to Republicans for money...where she feels the most comfortable, or so it seems.

[SheilaT]

108. And the problem with her 40+ year record

is that her inconsistancies are front and center, as well as her hawkish stand on everything. Her late arrival to LGBT rights. Her support of fracking and the TPP. It just goes on and on.

[Trajan]

32. Wow ...

I've never seen this side of you ...

Comrade? ... You go there?

Not anymore you don't ...

[DJ13]

36. Im with her........

[B Calm]

39. Me too!

[B Calm]

38. It's not about selecting the first woman president!

It's about the not insane republicans who are upset with the teabaggery in their party who came pouring into the Democratic party. Like most republicans they have a sense of entitlement, they believe that the party belongs to them and those who don't care for their agenda should get out. They are demanding that those who built the nest get the fuck out because they are taking over.

We have a clear choice and it's not Hillary, it's Bernie Sanders!

[bigtree]

42. sad for you

...it IS about electing the first Democratic woman president.

The 'entitlement' she's rocking is the product of the votes she's received. You want to advance your agenda? You'll need to do more to gain support than just attack the party and other Democrats.

[B Calm]

45. Sad for the Democratic party.

[bigtree]

72. we're just fine

[B Calm]

98. NO WE'RE NOT! Not when old time democrats like myself are considering sitting an election

out. This shitty conservative candidate was crammed down our throats from the get go by the DNC with over a 500 Super Delegate lead before the first vote was even cast in Iowa. The Democratic party is in serious trouble because it is being taken over by not insane Republicans who are upset with the teabaggery going on in their party.

[bigtree]

99. the decision to forgo joining the Democratic coalition

...is little more than an admittance that you intend to have zero influence on the election, basically leaving all of these progressive issues that you're damning Hillary for not adhering to at the whim and will of the wind.

That's an amazingly irresponsible position and I'm surprised you think it's still fine to lecture ANYONE on their political position when all you intend to do is carry on your epic pout while the rest of us join together to defeat the republican nominee.

It's your choice. Don't expect most people here or anywhere else to beg you to do the right thing. Sit out the election, and welcome to the world of irrelevancy.

[B Calm]

101. But, you said we're just fine when clearly we're not!

[bigtree]

104. I don't know about you

...but the Democratic party is just fine.

Step outside of your bubble. It's Hillary vs. Trump, and most Democrats are going to be joining together in the effort to defeat him.

[B Calm]

105. We'll see!

[cui bono]

57. sad for you

that you don't even care about issues or principles.

.

[SheilaT]

78. So, if it IS about electing the first woman President,

don't try to claim that it's about anything else. Once again, a Hillary supporter reveals that it has nothing to do with competency or qualifications, but purely with gender.

If it really is all about electing the first woman to the highest office, surely you voted for McCain/Palin a few years ago? No? Why not? Okay, so Palin really is a pathetic clown, less suited to be VP or, heaven forbid, POTUS, but heck, she was a woman! Why not vote for the misty historicism that would have resulted?

[bigtree]

88. such delusion

...get a grip.

This is our Democratic nominee against Trump. She extremely qualified and has an excellent record of Democratic accomplishment and effort. I'll be proud to support this historic choice.

It looks like you'll be doing nothing more than backbiting and harassing people for daring to take pride in the fact that a woman has advanced this far. Sad for you.

[SheilaT]

92. I keep on asking for specifics of her accomplishments,

and I'm met by resounding silence.

Her time on the WalMart board she did nothing to improve workers' conditions or pay, and certainly didn't do anything to help the workers unionize. You take pride in that?

Her support of DOMA? You take pride in that?

Her stand against gay marriage, you take pride in that?

Her support of fracking? Is that something to be proud of?

I throw out specifics and only get back nonsense that she's "qualified". But I don't recall any peace deals she brought about, any ending of wars, only the starting of them.

And in this thread it comes back once again to the simple fact she's a woman.

I'm a woman. I've had been the first woman in a specific job and know just how hard that is. I would love to see a woman as President, but I will NOT vote for someone whose policies and past behaviors are so contrary to what I believe.

And if she's elected, and she regretfully cuts back Social Security and Medicare, and firmly opposes raising the minimum wage at all, I hope you'll consider those things excellent accomplishments.

[bigtree]

100. maybe it's because you're still fighting the primary

...and it's all but over.

What you want (notwithstanding the decision to keep this forum operating as normal) amounts to running our presumptive nominee down to the benefit of Trump. You've had your chance to contrast her record with Sanders, now it's time to get your perspective fixed on the real opposition to those progressive ideals you profess to support.

Since you look to have decided to carry on your grudge by 'writing Sanders name in' questions about Hillary from you are basically moot. Why should anyone care what you believe if all you're going to do is carry on an epic pout while the majority of us join together to defeat the republican nominee?

You think your obstinacy gives you cred, I think it makes your opinion on this election irrelevant.

[Vattel]

40. I don't like chickenhawks

[SwampG8r]

91. Dont dis chickenhawks

As.a.chicken owner i know how.dedicated and fearless.and hard working they are
She is just a neocon sending other people to.die.for.her profits.

[Lizzie Poppet]

44. The "1st woman president" argument in a nutshell: because vagina!

I'm similarly equipped...and I give not a single, solitary shit about that, at least when the candidate supports so much that I loathe. Identity politics can fuck off.

[NewImproved Deal]

51. "because vagina!"

Yep.

[cui bono]

55. Maybe she carries around "hot sauce" in her purse

for her pink taco!!!

(Sorry. Sometimes that's what happens after I read so much stupid shit on DU.)

But yes, Hill fans love to complain when people say they are for her just because she is a woman and then they post and rec stuff like this that gives only this as the reason they are for her. No issues, no policy just that she is female. Sad what DU has sunk to, it used to be an intelligent board. (I know, I know, I just posted a "pink taco" line. Side note, there's actually restaurant named Pink Taco. Not sure why anyone would name their restaurant that.)

.

[Lizzie Poppet]

59. Friedman Amplification...

...have a model called "Pink Taco." Of course, they also have models called Browneye, Dirty Shirley, Buxom Betty, and Small Box. Absolutely wonderful-sounding guitar amps, but apparently the model naming is left to some employee's 12-year-old son...who spends a lot of time on 4chan.

Not that I'm implying I'm any more "sophisticated" in my humor. Oh my, no...

[cui bono]

62. I can understand making little jokes but naming products like that?

Yikes.

.

[Lizzie Poppet]

67. Rather expensive, high-end products, no less.

Now I admit a lot of the fellow musicians* I know, regardless of gender (embarrassingly...), have a middle-schooler's sense of humor. There's a big chunk of the market they're in no danger of alienating. But still...really? Not exactly the best way to establish yourself as an upmarket brand...

* Of course, as a member of the violinist master race, I'm immune to such frailties...

[seabeyond]

86. I get this is a really tough concept, so many Sanders supporters seem not able to grasp.

Appreciating Clinton as a first woman president is not also stating that is teh ONLY reason why people like her as a candidate.

I suppose the black community should not have been thrilled that Obama was the first black president. If they were thrilled that they finally got a black president, then surely that means they ONLY voted for him because he was a black man.

The brilliance in your conclusion, blinds.

[cui bono]

97. Who are you and what have you done with seabeyond?

Whoever you are, the problem is that when asked about issues Hillary supporters give no good answers. When asked why someone was glad that Hillary was winning the answer was because she's winning.

No substance. It's an empty support system. Bernie is better than Hillary on all the issues that the Democratic Party holds - or purports to hold - dear.

I didn't tell the OP to give no other reason than that she's a woman, that's what the OP put forth. If you have a problem with that then take it up with them.

.

[pdsimdars]

49. But is it just "her", can you answer WHAT?

You like the wars, you like the fracking, the trade deals. . . .what IS IT THAT YOU LIKE other than that she is a woman?

She's also the first candidate under FBI investigation.

[SheilaT]

79. Thanks for this.

I'm bookmarking it and I'll be posting it frequently from now on. I'd love to see those who support Hillary Clinton actually refute those bullet points.

They can't.

[pdsimdars]

109. You know you can just copy the link location of the picture and put that in your message.

Right click on the picture and copy link location. . .
I have a file I save those link locations and label them. Then when I come across a place where it seems appropriate, I put in the link.

Here's my favorite from today. . . . The coronation has been postponed.




.

[cui bono]

54. So are the people who brought you this:

.

[SheilaT]

80. Actual brown shirts.

Wow. Either someone has a strange sense of humor or, more likely, someone knows zilch about history.

[LWolf]

56. I'm with her

going gently into the good era of quiet retirement.

[frylock]

64. I'm not.

[beaglelover]

69. Me too!!! She's the most qualified person ever to run for POTUS........EVER!!!!!!

[snowy owl]

82. You don't know much about Presidential history do you? Have fun at Disneyland.

[kstewart33]

73. Hillary is one tough ole broad.

Who will make one exceptional president.

[The Blue Flower]

106. And if "Her" was Fiorina, Palin, or Bachmann?

Being able to use the pronoun does not make a person the right person.

[Marr]

110. I don't support corruption. /nt