Nevada is not over!!!

[Fawke Em]

This is what Democracy looks like:

Charles Niswander
?@CharlesNiswande

Nina Turner just returned with Bernie's lawyers!

Motion to remove the chair just submitted!

https://twitter.com/CharlesNiswande/status/731704064279482368

See? This is how you fight. You don't just roll over and kiss establishment ass.

Go Bernie Delegates!

[Fawke Em]

1. Heh...

Charles Niswander ?@CharlesNiswande 39m39 minutes ago

Nevada Conventioners:
Also, it is appropriate and within the rules to chant "I APPEAL THE RULING OF THE CHAIR!", please note this!

[roguevalley]

130. I love someone with a spine

[AzDar]

2. ...

(Shame It's Necessary...But Sure Glad They're There!)

[Jennylynn]

3. Go Nina!

[CentralMass]

4. Yes.

[Cheese Sandwich]

5. "See? This is how you fight. You don't just roll over and kiss establishment ass. "

+a million yep.

Fight it out all the way.

[CoffeeCat]

6. This isn't over

and I was wondering if there would be more chapters because Nina Turner was there, as well as others.

This kind of corruption and cheating, can't be how it ends.

[NewImproved Deal]

38. I love Nina's work for Bernie! Did you hear those vicious Clinton Trolls when she spoke?

[link:|

[CoffeeCat]

40. I didn't hear them. I'm sure it was vile (nt)

[MissDeeds]

7. Damn!

[JaneyVee]

8. Did anyone even ask Bernie if he wanted lawyers to go there?

Guys, Im pretty sure Bernie is just trying to fade away quietly. He sees the writing on the wall. Why dont his fans?

[Fawke Em]

13. LOLOLOL.

You know what I usually do when someone is being a fool?

Point and laugh.

[JaneyVee]

15. Seriously though, its like Weekend At Bernies with this campaign...

Grab an arm!

[Fawke Em]

19. My candidate isn't under a criminal investigation.

Grab your own arm with handcuffs.

[JaneyVee]

20. Your candidate isnt winning the Democratic nomination either.

[Fawke Em]

39. So when she loses, don't blame us.

This is all on y'all.

[Corporate666]

111. Your post defies common sense and logic

If you believe Bernie would beat Trump, then if Bernie fans voted for Clinton, she would also necessarily beat Trump.

So if Clinton lost to Trump, it would indisputably be because Bernie fans didn't vote for her. And in those circumstances, of course they would be to blame.

Saying "don't blame us!" is both childish and churlish. And it's illogical and juvenile too. So of course Sanders voters would be to blame when Bernie endorses Clinton but some of his supporters throw their toys out of the pram and stay at home pouting.

[Demsrule86]

22. Not yet anyway

Who knows what the future might bring.

[Fawke Em]

41. Like Alabama's former governor, perhaps?

You guys are real peaches.

[R B Garr]

95. Bernie is under investigation by the FEC for irregularities in reporting

Last edited Sun May 15, 2016, 06:17 PM - Edit history (1)

and collecting campaign donations. His whole campaign platform is to call others corrupt and the campaign finance system corrupt, and he can't even answer for his own corruption in his own campaign.

CoRrUpshUn!

InVestiGaShUNs!!

[beedle]

100. No he's not

he campaign reported donations, and the FEC asked for either more details on some of the donations, and if not then the donations are to be returned ... there's no "investigation" any more than there is when the IRS asked for more details on a receipt.


There would have been less issues had he got a bunch of industry lobbyists to 'launder' the donor information to make sure everything looked 'reasonable', and then bundled it all up with a 'suggestion' for new industry legislation "reform", but I guess that's one of the draw backs of grass roots honesty ... fewer "professionals" to launder the greater number of donations.

[R B Garr]

101. He is too. The FEC is investigating his campaign contributions and the

irregularities. That's what is happening. Quit making excuses for him. There is no excuse for a man who condemns others for corruption when he cannot account for his own business.

[Chan790]

106. No, he's really not.

It is exactly what Beedle said it was...that's exactly how it is handled--you return donations that don't pass muster with the FEC.

But do you know who else is currently "under investigation" by your logic? Hillary Clinton. She also was in 2008...so was Barack Obama. So, for that matter, is every GOP primary candidate.

Pretty much every candidate to run for President in recent history has been subject to this type of review on some of their received donations...and it doesn't reflect on the candidates. The most common reason is that someone makes a donation, then fudges or lies on the personal information that has to be submitted with it, not realizing that it's against campaign finance laws to do so or to fail to disclose the identity of your employer.

In the words of an old New England truism: "There's no "there" there."

[R B Garr]

107. He is under investigation for campaign donation irregularities.

That is what is happening. Read the documents. And *my* logic is to call bullshit on a campaign platform that does nothing but call others corrupt. That was *my* logic. YOU are the one who brought Hillary into it. She has nothing to do with Bernie's campaign contributions and she doesn't hold herself out as some Saint as Bernie does.

He has no business calling others corrupt if he can't handle his own business.

[Chan790]

109. Now you're just being obtuse.

If I give you $5 and I'm obligated under the law to report to the FEC that I handed you that $5...and I didn't and lied about it, how does that in any way reflect on you?

It reflects on Sanders in about the same negligible way.

He has no means to compel people to not lie on the informational form that accompanies a donation...and it's not his job to make sure they don't lie. It's the FEC's. His part is to return the donation when the FEC tells him it's an illegal donation...which is what he does.

You however are being willfully obtuse because you don't want to admit even to yourself that your logic is bullshit dipped in delusion.

[R B Garr]

110. No, you are being "obtuse". LMAO that it only took you two posts to start

calling me names. That's what this is really getting at. Just be honest. WINK.

Apparently you think only Bernie supporters can say what is an "investigation." None of what you said has anything to do with what my point is. The posts are numbered so you can see who I responded to. I responded to someone who tried to shut someone up by claiming Hillary was under "investigation." Well, Bernie is also under "investigation." You are not the only people who can determine what is an "investigation". WINK.

And Google Bernie Sanders FEC INVESTIGATION. It's there under Google as an INVESTIGATION. So it is you who is trying to be obtuse by calling me names and trivializing Bernie's FEC INVESTIGATION so you can drag Hillary into it out of desperation!

And I have a life. I don't always have time to respond to someone who wants to take long walks over a very simple point that I made because you can't abide someone having another opinion.

[beedle]

116. Maybe you should take your own advice

and actually google 'Bernie Sanders FEC Investigation" ... then open up the articles and do a search for the word 'investigation' ... there was only one article on the first page of results that even had that word, and it used it improperly to refer to the FEC report (which is not an investigation, it's the list of donations that the FEC wants more information provided for, or returned.)

Now, there is indeed one the possibility of a real FEC investigation that might take place, and that's one where they investigate the money laundering scheme between Hillary and the DNC where they ripped off the states for their share of the allowable campaign donation limits.

But, even just sticking to your theory that getting a report form the FEC telling you that you need to return some donations is an 'investigation", then for the month of March 2016:

On $44 Million in contributions, Sanders had to return about $800K
On $29 Million in contributions , Clinton had to return about $300K

Given Hilary has the advantage of having 'bundlers' pre-washing the contributions, I would say Hillary has less of a excuse for her "investigation".

[R B Garr]

117. LOL, what a phony post.

I've Googled it. I've heard every cable talking head talk about it. Your desperation and obsession to bring Hillary into everything is really bizarre and pathetic nonsense.

And the same investigator has looked into Hillary for decades. You should Google that, too. Wink.

[beedle]

118. Then it should be easy yo provide a link.

I await your link.

[R B Garr]

119. 170,000 hits on Google: Bernie Sanders FEC INVESTIGATION

Just be honest. You're just playing a silly link game for something that has been in the news cycle for WEEKS now. It's hard to believe you haven't heard about Bernie's campaign donations being investigated... WINK.

And the main point is that there was a Bernie supporter trying to shut someone up here by bringing up the word INVESTIGATION, as if that means anything. LMAO at your desperation!

edit: and I notice you have no comment to Bernie's hypocrisy. His whole campaign platform is attacking people he labels as corrupt, yet he has no idea about his own donations

[beedle]

120. Yes, lots of hits ... none with the word

"investigation" used it them .... lots of links to articles that talk about the FEC report (same one that Hillary gets for her donors that don't meet the criteria for a valid donor ... nothing wrong with that, she returns the money I assume when the FEC report tells her to, just like Bernie does,) but the only ones with the word "investigation" are articles from news web pages with multiple links, some of which have links to other, unrelated articles, involving some sort of investigation ...

for example, when I google "Bernie Sanders FEC Investigation" the first page of links are as follows:

https://www.rt.com/usa/327290-hillary-bernie-office-conspiracy/ (doesn't have the word "investigation" in it.)

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/12/f-e-c-tells-sanders-campaign-that-some-donors-may-have-given-too-much/ (nope, no "investigation" in there either.)

http://spectator.org/65707_thousands-bernie-sanders-contributions-are-illegal-says-fec/ (This one has the word "investigation" but it referes to the spreadsheet that the FEC sends candidates detailing the invalid denotations and the reasons for the donation being disqualified ... again, Hillary gets the same 'spreadsheet' every month as does Trump and any candidate running for office.)

http://freebeacon.com/politics/feds-flag-thousands-of-illegal-bernie-sanders-contributions/ (no, "investigation" doesn't show up in this one either.)

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/23/whats-behind-the-fecs-inquiries-into-the-bernie-sanders-campaign/ (again, missing the word 'investigation)

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/14/bernie-sanders-potentially-illegal-campaign-contributions (Nope, still no 'investigation' mentioned)

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/bernie-sanders-campaign-now-being-investigated-for-illegal-contributions/ (Okay, this one has it in the headlines, but once again it referes to the letter from the FEC outlining the invalid contributions, the same letter Hillary gets for hers.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/274665-report-clinton-ally-files-fec-ethics-complaint-against (nope, no mention of 'investigation" in this one either, well except in the comments where someone says there should be an investigation.)

https://gobling.wordpress.com/2016/03/08/bernie-sanders-pac-hit-with-fec-violations-again/ (No, only mention of 'investigation' again is in the comments, and it refers to Hillary and her constant cloud of investigations.


So, like I said, please provide a link where there is actual evidence that Bernie is under some kind of investigation ... not that he received a letter from the FEC about invalid contributions, all the candidates get those.

[R B Garr]

121. LMAO at the desperation to define REALITY.

How pathetic.

The FEC is investigating irregularities in Bernie Sanders campaign. REALITY.

Did you Google yet how long that FBI Rep has been investigating Clinton.? You might learn something. Wink.

Oh. And welcome to DU. WINK.

[R B Garr]

122. Star donors here can look up how much this

FEC INVESTIGATION has been discussed on this very website. I've seen many threads about the investigation.

[beedle]

123. Then a link with details on the investigation should be really easy to provide

still awaiting ... put up or admit you're wrong.

[R B Garr]

124. Google Bernie Sanders FEC letter.

LOTS of info there on what they are investigating. Up to 2 letters now, at least.

Bernie is delaying responding. What is he hiding?

So much for the phony transparency game he's playing when he refuses to comply with a formal letter himself. What a hypocrite.

[glinda]

112. Repeating it does not make it so. Good try though.

[R B Garr]

115. It's easily found under Google.

Easily found. It's been in the news, too.

It's a shame his whole platform is attacking people about corruption when he has can't even answer for himself.

[R B Garr]

131. You can look up the FEC letters to see what they

are investigating. It's online.

BTW, most recent letter was May 10th. YIKES! Ya gotta read that one!

[beedle]

137. Are you being purposely dense?

The FEC sends monthly letters to both campaigns. If you want to call them "investigations" then Hillary is under "investigation" by the FEC as well.

Now one last time, please provide a link where the FEC states Bernie, or his campaign is under investigation. If you can't then the only proper response would be to call you a liar or stupid.

[R B Garr]

140. No, you are being dense by continuing to pretend that your childish link/word game

makes the FEC letters and Bernie's noncompliance seem trivial because you demand a link or all meaning is lost. The biggest, phoniest Bernies always play this game.

Look at the letters from the FEC. The last letter was 600-something pages of donations they are investigating. Go read it. If you read it, you would see how stupid your statement is.

BUT, my main point is the childishness of trying to shut someone here up by claiming an INVESTIGATION implies immediate guilt or malice. Comey has been investigating the Clinton's for decades. You obviously have no clue what is going on in this subthread because of your obvious agenda, but I'm happy to play along as you keep missing the point. And, of course, my post would be hidden if I called you stupid or a liar. LMAO at your desperation.

And I see you still are playing games by ignoring the obvious fact that Bernie is a hypocrite for claiming to be holier-than-thou. Bernie's whole campaign is attacking others for something he is under investigation for himself. Campaign finance corruption. He can't even keep track of his own business, but he's out there attacking others.

There really is no need to keep spamming me with this petty little game of yours.

[beedle]

143. And Hillary's is 300 some pages

but only because she has less donors and bundlers to launder the details for her.

Oh, and while you;re out looking for a link showing Sanders is unde FEC investigation, you can also try and find a quote where I said an investigation implied immediate guilt.

[R B Garr]

144. No. That's not the reason. But at least now you are showing that the only

reason you are clinging to your petty game is to drag Clinton into something as a way to make Bernie sound like an angel.

You obviously have not read the FEC letters and other information that has been posted on this very website relating to the reasons Bernie has been investigated and his non-compliance. So much for Bernie being holier-than-thou. Someone who bases his entire campaign platform on holding himself out as some purist and then has double the problems with less transparency than others he is attacking is nothing but a hypocrite.

And LMAO at your continued game. AGAIN -- *I* responded to someone else in this thread who threw out that Clinton was under "investigation" as a way to shut someone up. I never said that *you* said that. So there's no need for the pretend confusion about that, too, and demand that I sort through your posts looking for something that it turns out you are confused about anyways.

[enid602]

129. bern

Easy peezy. He'll just sue the FEC.

[R B Garr]

132. Exactly! I read a couple weeks ago that they

are stalling in complying with the FEC requests along the lines of delaying releasing their taxes. Apparently he's not so big on transparency for himself. Only others.

[bvf]

29. Ooh... I'm stealing that!

I owe you one.

[timmymoff]

23. Not very progressive sounding of you

but then again, Hillary supporters are the conservatives of the democratic party. The ones who support dirtier water due to fracking. The ones who support keystone like their candidate did/ does depending on the day. I doubt he is going anywhere, see you at the convention. it's a shame we were once a progressive party, now , with your help, you serve her corporate masters. They thank you for TPP , oh wait, she hasn't flopped back to that yet.

[NewImproved Deal]

42. Yes! True Democrats (Bernie) vs "New" Democrats (the Clinton Machine)...

[link:?1446242373|

[glinda]

113. We just need to face the fact that her supporters

Must believe in the same things. Time to guilt arguing with some people and just keep working.

[lumberjack_jeff]

27. His voters do. I know this might seem alien to you, but that's who matters. n/t

[DebDoo]

49. She returned with *Bernie's lawyers*

[frylock]

92. You're sure?

Really? Really really sure?

[rhett o rick]

125. You soo don't understand what is happening here. While some are wallowing in the

supposed comfort of siding with the Rich and Powerful, there are those of us that are fighting hard for those among us suffering.
We are fighting to end the control of our government by the Rich and Powerful while you are just ok with the status quo.

While you think we should just bow down and supplicate, we will never. We will fight for our democracy and our economy forever.

Your side, the rich and powerful may be able to manipulate this election to give Hillary the super-wealthy the WH, we won't stop. We, unlike your side, will not relax but fight on for the rights and freedoms of the 99%.

You are choosing the wrong side in this class war. Maybe you think it's safer to back the biggest bully but we will prevail eventually.

[NanceGreggs]

9. This is how you fight?

No, this is how you make a fool of yourself when you lack the necessary integrity to be a gracious loser.

But, hey, there's always the hope that the super-delegates will switch their allegiance to Bernie and declare him the nominee at the convention - and no doubt moves like this will encourage them to do so.

[Fawke Em]

11. Yes, because Patrick Henry was so fucking polite.

[LisaM]

37. Bernie supporters are Patrick Henry?

Now I've heard everything.

[Fawke Em]

43. Well, we're warning you of overlords that don't represent you, so

we're closer than your corporate war monger ever will be.

[procon]

59. Overlords?

Are you into cosplay, maybe reliving a Star Wars movie... oh, oh wait, it's the alien lizard overlords from Alex Jones, right?

[Fawke Em]

60. No. I don't follow any of those things.

Are you trying to talk to my children?

[procon]

61. How would anyone know the difference? nt

[Fawke Em]

62. You wouldn't. Your head's in sand.

[LisaM]

63. Wasn't Patrick Henry against the constitution?

WHY DOES BERNIE HATE THE CONSTITUTION???

[timmymoff]

51. Hillary supporters are more like the tories or loyalist to the crown.

[NanceGreggs]

57. Is that actually supposed to mean something? n/t

[GulfCoast66]

126. His slaves

Probably disagreed.

[senz]

67. Takes integrity to cheat, doesn't it Nance?

[hellofromreddit]

76. I hear DU was started because of a stolen election. Just couldn't be gracious losers.

What fools, right?

[Fawke Em]

10. I'm gonna try to hang on, but I'm on EST.

Go to #nvdemconvention to tune into what the M$M won't show you. There are live Tweets, Periscopes, videos, etc.

Today (well, Saturday) was my son's 17th birthday. I ate so many carbs, I was nearly asleep at 9 p.m. (I don't normally eat carbs/sweets), but this woke me up. I'm starting to crash again even after eating some turkey pepperoni protein boost.

Please keep posting info from this here!

Thanks!

[Fawke Em]

14. BTW, my husband had The Bernie at dinner.

Local restaurant in KNOXVILLE, TN has a burger for Bernie. Not my cup of tea, but it has a patty, local bacon, Vermont blueberries, Vermont cheese and fried jalapenos.

Heh.

[JaneyVee]

17. lolwut?

You had The Bernie for dinner?

People now eat Bernie food? What is happening?

[Fawke Em]

34. Yes. Duh.

Bubble much?

No one loves Hillary enough to draw her on their neighborhood walls (Bernie has a whole art museum of fan art), or write music for her or make food named after her. She's really a dud.

P.S. I didn't have The Bernie for dinner. I don't eat pork and jalapenos would've given me heartburn. My husband had The Bernie. I just ate a Shroomin' (mushroom burger). It was my son's birthday and his favorite food is really good hamburgers, so we went to a local joint. Yes, we live in a part of the city that is still heavily Bernie.

[CoffeeCat]

44. There is a special blend of Bernie coffee in Iowa City

and I see Bernie-inspired dishes at cafes and restaurants in downtown Des Moines.

Very cute!

[Fawke Em]

48. It's a cottage industry where I live.

You look on a map and Hillary won my county, but Bernie won my city, so we're a kind of yucky red/green whitewash, but he's still very popular here - in fact more so. We have Bernie flowers and Bernie specials. In fact, the way you order The Bernie burger is to chant, "Bernie! Bernie! Bernie!"

LOL. He's not even president yet and has a Teddy Bear culture.

[CoffeeCat]

55. Nice that you live in a city in which Bernie won!

Very cool to have those Bernie flowers/specials around.

I think Bernie has become a permanent part of the American culture.

[yourpaljoey]

77. Did your husband like that burger?

As I am tender I would throw that up before I finished the fries
Not that it might not taste great.
That combination of grease, blueberries and jalopies would do me in.
(May I have mine with extra butter on the bun, please

[LuvLoogie]

12. Holy auto-neurotica! It's just so much self-flagellation anymore.

[JosephAlanWatson]

16. Happy bernin'

Good luck bern.

[Luminous Animal]

18. Go Nina! She is such a bad ass. I love ner.

[Demsrule86]

21. This will not end well for Bernie

Americans will see that he stole delegates he was not entitled to...minority voters at that...tried to stuff the caucus with faux Democrats...not a good image at all but an accurate image...the things that were done in Nevada by Bernie people were morally reprehensible. As for Nina...I live in Ohio...don't run statewide...I voted for you last time but never again. I don't vote for people who take what they did not earn. The state of Ohio went for Hillary Nina...think about that.

[Ed Suspicious]

24. Bullshit. Please stop lying.

[reddread]

54. if thats how they start, how do they stop?

do they run out?

[Demsrule86]

79. I was truthful

you did take delegates you were not entitled to with GOP sleazy tactics perfected by Cruze. They were mostly minority votes...pretty icky if you ask me.

[tonedevil]

88. You may be saying...

what you believe, but that doesn't make it truthful. You are misinformed at best as to what happened in NV, but you should continue to shout this to the rooftops because it shows the ignorance of a standard issue Secretary Clinton supporter.

[Demsrule86]

89. I am not misinformed.

Hillary won Nevada in February. By what right do you claim those delegates?

[tonedevil]

90. You are aledging...

improper or even illegal behavior on the part of Senator Sanders supporters in the second round of the NV caucus. That is what you are misinformed and mispeaking about.

[beedle]

139. Are you aware of the rules for the NV Primary?

You know, those rules that you Hillary supporters keep throwing in the face of Sanders when they fall your way?

Hillary won the first 'stage' (questionably, but for the sake of argument let's give her that,) Sanders won stage two, again following those rules Hillary supporters hold so sacrosanct ... Sanders was also set to win stage three until the rules suddenly changed several time during the actual convention weekend ... changed in such a way that nearly 60 Sanders delegates (enough to flip the results to Hillary who won by 33 delegates) were 'decertified' with no right of review, let alone appeal.

The rules called for three stages, when Hillary lost stage two, her team changed the rules so only stage one counted.

[glinda]

114. There has been a lot of "repeat" accusations lately

That appear to be more intended for another reason other than discussion. Pattern.

[timmymoff]

26. You guys have been wrong so often

I would get out of the prediction business.

[Tarc]

25. Seems like the Sanders camp is getting what they deserve

It was only a month or so ago when the Sanders Camp was positively giddy over overriding the Nevada caucus-goers voting preference, by snagging more delegates in the 2nd round via some Ted Cruze-esque maneuver.

[CoffeeCat]

47. Bernie got more delegates in the second round--because hundreds of Hillary delegates were AWOL

Hillary's delegates did not show up. They were sleeping...or grabbing a frappachino or whatever.

Do you understand how the caucus process works? The first step in the caucus night. The next step in the first Convention. Your delegates have to show up for the Convention--or you don't retain your win.

Several hundred Hillary delegates did not show up in Clark County in NV.

177 Hillary delegates didn't show up at my County Convention in Iowa. Hillary originally won my county in Iowa. But because those 177 delegates of hers didn't show up--Bernie was ahead at the first count of the day.

That's how a caucus works.

I understand that caucuses are confusing and complex--but you people who suggest that Bernie "cheated" in the second NV round--simply do not understand that her delegates were no shows.

That's a fact.

[Tarc]

50. Close your #berniemath textbook and check in to reality

52.6% - 47.3%

Hillary Clinton wins more pledged delegates than Bernie Sanders, there's nothing more to it. You can try all the shenanigans you like, but any attempt to counter the will of the Nevada voter casts the so-called honesty and integrity of the Sanders campaign in serious doubt.

You lost Nevada. Pull on your big-person pants and move on.

[CoffeeCat]

53. You are proving that you don't understand how caucuses work

Yes, I get it, Bernie lost the Nevada caucuses.

However, Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton both understand that it is not enough to win on caucus night. On caucus night you elect delegates. Those delegates have to show up to the convention in order for your win to be maintained.

Did you know that Obama won our Iowa caucuses by 1 delegate, the night of the caucus in 2008. But, by the time of the Democratic National Convention, he was beating Hillary by 5 delegates in Iowa?

That's what happens at these conventions. The delegates show up and are counted. If one person's delegates do not show--you don't retain your win. Or your win gets bigger, as Obama's did in Iowa in 2008. More delegates flocked to Obama and Hillary's did not show up in 2008.

I'm sorry that's so upsetting to you. But that's how the grown ups do caucuses. That's how the process works.

[Tarc]

82. Any process that overturns who the voters actually vote is unethical and immoral

If 52% of the caucus-goers support one candidate, then that candidate gets the most pledged delegates. You and your bitter ilk tried to subvert that...and I get that, because it is really the only play left in your playbook...but in the end you were rebuffed.

Try again in 2024.

[dragonlady]

87. Your title concisely explains why the superdelegate system should be scrapped

Thank you!

[Tarc]

94. Can you point to any time in history where the superdelegates have overturned the voter's will?

I'll be here waiting.

Please don't take too long...

[dragonlady]

97. There is a first time for everything

An undemocratic procedure is justified only in extraordinary circumstances, and I do not believe our current presidential nomination process rises to such a level.

I apologize for making you wait almost two hours for my response--I was out in the yard pulling weeds and away from the computer.

[Tarc]

105. So, in so many words, "no"

The supers are really just a rubber stamp on the electorate; if Bernie had wound up with a majority of the pledged delegates, they surely would have dropped their support for Hillary and jumped. Just as they did in 2008.

[senz]

68. Borrowed from a nice commenter on the long cali thread ...

[Duval]

93. Some either don't know what's going on or don't care.

I hope your explanation doesn't fall on deaf ears.

[northernsouthern]

58. Actually the HRC camp tried to steal the election more so.

From what i have seen they flooded the delegates with false information and the Bernie supporters were no longer trusting of the Dem estab and turned up anyways. Basically the HRC camp cheated and failed.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

70. There is no act that has not been justified in the name of winning.

Cronyism?

"We gotta be able to compete with Republican fundraising."

Gutting the Progressive platform?

"We don't want to be seen advocating for higher taxes."

I can only imagine the next excuse for stealing Nevada will be they need to practice countering GOP vote rigging.

They are going to bomb this democracy into salvation.

[Tarc]

81. That's not at all what happened

but you go with that if it comforts you.

[Fairgo]

28. I knew I liked you

This gives me hope. This is exactly what democracy looks like.

[Renew Deal]

30. Really? A bunch of political committee battles is what democracy looks like?

I thought voter participation is what democracy looks like.

[Fawke Em]

32. If Hillary's minions would let us, I guess that would work.

But, since they're not...

[Renew Deal]

75. Sanders lost NV. What is the fight over?

[Fawke Em]

31. Looks like the Democratic Party just drove away another shitload of future voters.

Way to go DNC.

Philly is going to be a free-for-all. Hillary will not be winning the presidency.

[bvf]

64. Yet another sign

that the third way and the Republican party have become indistinguishable.

Damn straight about Philadelphia, but I await the rest of the primaries in the shorter term.

[bvf]

33. Go, Nina!

Bookmarking.

[JEB]

35. Nina Turner 2020.

[felix_numinous]

36. Damn straight!!

Open fraud, on film. These people are a disgrace to the party.

[Uncle Joe]

45. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Fawke Em.

[elleng]

46. THANKS, Fawke!

(Happy Birthday to the Birthday 'boy!')

[grasswire]

52. crazy

[yourpaljoey]

78. Hill looks almost unrecognizable in that photo

Maybe that's her guilty look (we've never seen that before).
Nah... is it the glasses?

[MFM008]

56. remember the Alamo.

[BootinUp]

99. lol nt

[Peace Patriot]

65. You have made my day, Fawke Em! THANK YOU!

Clintonites wanna play hardball? SEND IN NINA!

Oh, Yes!!!

[tritsofme]

66. So very very silly. Not only is Nevada over, the whole dang thing has been over for weeks.

If not months.

Bernie lost, Hillary won. Sorry to be the one to break the news.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

71. How dare those filthy peasants demand a vote! What do they think this is? A democracy?!

[CorkySt.Clair]

98. They voted in February.

Or did you miss that?

[cui bono]

72. Clearly you don't have a clue what just happened there.

I'd tell you but judging my your tone I doubt you care.

.

[Lizzie Poppet]

80. So you're gloating over a venal warmonger sleazing her way to the nomination?

How democratic of you!

[senz]

69. So glad Nina was there...

and Fawke Em you were amazing on this thread. I especially enjoyed your conversation with a certain Hillarian.



Sounds like your son had a great birthday, too!

[Vattel]

73. Nevada is where the Clinton campaign got real ugly with its smears of Bernie.

Now this bullshit. Good to see some fighting.

[cui bono]

74. k n r

[dana_b]

83. PROTEST this morning at 10:00:

DNC building
6233 Dean Martin Drive
Las Vegas, NV

[kgnu_fan]

84. Fight!

[LWolf]

85. And

what the establishment doesn't seem to want to acknowledge is this:

The more we have to fight them, the more we hate them. The more energy they are generating against themselves.

[Ferd Berfel]

86. ...You don't just roll over and kiss establishment ass.

Like Gore did, like Kerry did........

[Duval]

91. Yayyy, Nina!

Fighting to keep Democracy alive.

[Skwmom]

96. God I love Nina Turner. She is an EXCEPTIONAL role model for young girls.

[jwirr]

108. Absolutely.

[Skwmom]

128. She is the type of woman I thought would be our first female President. n/t

[Nyan]

127. She is. I might have a girl crush on her. nt

[annavictorious]

102. Returned to what?

The convention is over. That tweet is from last night.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/15/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-nevada-convention/index.html

[Gothmog]

103. It is over now

How did these tactics work out for sanders?

[Uncle Joe]

134. More to the point how will these tactics work out for Hillary?

Only time will tell.

[kevinmc]

133. yep it is over. n/t

[johnp3907]

135. It's over.

[Maedhros]

136. Anyone happy with the way the Nevada convention was conducted

is an enemy to democracy.

[GreatGazoo]

142. +1

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/16/what_the_hell_just_happened_in_nevada_sanders_supporters_are_fed_up_and_rightfully_so/

[NurseJackie]

138. Ummm ... actually, it is. Just imagine how much more effective y'all could have been ...

... if someone had put all this energy into planning ahead, or had been working for change WITHIN the party structure much earlier.

Oh well ... lessons learned, I guess. But will it be a lesson-REMEMBERED in four/eight years? Or will all these "activists" who are so passionate (this year) fade away and do nothing in the interim ... only to resurface later with the same complaints, and with the same accusations of being unfairly shut-out of a party that they willingly SHUT THEMSELVES out of.

If it weren't so sad, it would be amusing.

Or ...

If it weren't so amusing, it would be sad.

(I can't decide which characterization is most accurate.)

[NCTraveler]

141. It's over. Sanders lost. Aganin.

How many times has he lost in Nevada? And this time his camp tried to steal the vote. That has to hurt really bad when his campaign cheats the system and still comes up short.