2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBarbara Boxer TROLLS Bernie Sanders Supporters At Nevada Democratic Convention
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Segami
(14,923 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)How does she not realize that it is a bad sign that more than half of the audience is booing her candidate. Is she that out of touch that she tried to make a stuck up speech like that? This was the exact same arrogance at our caucus that the HRC supporter gave before insulting the entire Bernie side and getting booed off.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)let's be gracious enough to assume that not ALL Bernie supporters were booing Senator Boxer's message from Bernie and Hillary for civility. Some of them must have been ashamed of what they found themselves associated with.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)who you want to be? I mention that because of the striking difference between your post and your signature line. Politics can unleash our bad sides, and groups have a way of making us enjoy that indulgence way too much.
Barbara used to be our senator, and my guess is you'd both like and admire Boxer if you knew her. Frankly, I never appreciated California's protections for the individual half so much until I moved to the South, where presumably God will protect you if you're worthy and you might as well pray instead of expecting your congressman to represent you instead of big business.
Here's a better picture of her some writer put together. Though of course it doesn't really reflect 32 years of work, you can see that though she's no Bernie she's hardly a "shill" either.
Five Major Accomplishments Barbara Boxer Achieved During Her Tenure
1. Taking Care of Young People Who Need Extra Support
Though Boxer certainly didnt invent the concept of afterschool programs, in 2001, she definitely ensured their survival, particularly in underserved areas that normally lack the funds to give children proper care. Her legislation now secures more than a billion dollars in federal funds to provide safe, stimulating care for children whose parents are still at work when the school bell rings. Additionally, she looked out for young adults when she penned the Fostering Connections to Success and Increasing Adoptions Act. Instead of forcing foster kids to exit the system as soon as they turn 18, her law provides extra services (and necessary support) for these young adults until the age of 21.
2. Stopping Bank Bailouts
In 2010, following a period of corporation-brewed economic turmoil, Congress looked to pass some sensible legislation in order to prevent a similar situation from happening again in the future. Hoping to push the laws even further, Boxer offered up an important amendment to the bill: a ban on using taxpayer money to bail out failing banks. If theres one thing we should all be able to agree on, it is this: The American taxpayers should never again have to bail out Wall Street firms that gambled away our savings and wreaked havoc on our economy, said Boxer. While this single amendment may not have come close to ending Wall Street and the governments unhealthy codependency at the expense of the average citizen, at least there are more obstacles in place to prevent Uncle Sam from throwing money at corporations it declares too big to fail.
3. Increasing Public Safety
So many of Boxers victories are smaller efforts that benefit people in ways they dont even realize. Amongst the safeguards that Boxer played a large role in making or keeping legal are:
* Forbidding lead (even trace amounts) from being permitted in drinking water
* Defending an attack on existing mercury standards
* Putting choking warnings more clearly visible on toy packages
* Improving federal authorities ability to investigate child trafficking
* Blocking pesticide use near places where children learn and play
4. Standing Up for Our Service Women and Men
Boxer has taken a particular interest in the military, including the ongoing concern over sexual assault. Two years ago, she succeeded at stopping anyone who has been convicted of sexual assault from joining the military, a type of felony that was typically waived by the military prior to this law. Later in the year, she also introduced a subsequently approved amendment that blocked military bigwigs from punishing/intimidating soldiers who report sexual assault as was pretty much the protocol up until that point.
5. Creating the Climate Action Task Force
Even out of office, Boxers legacy will live on in the form of the Climate Action Task Force she created with fellow senator Sheldon Whitehouse yes, thats his real name. The goal is to wake up Congress, Boxer said, listing the groups goals as putting a price on carbon emissions and building a coalition of the 60 Senate votes necessary to ensure the passage of meaningful climate change legislation. Given how critical addressing man-made climate change is for the future of human survival, the further development of this task force may be one of the countrys most important tools in tackling the problems at hand.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)Boxer's decision to campaign for Lieberman amazes some
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/ci_4027554?source=rss
U.S. Senators Barbara Boxer and Joe Lieberman might well define the polar opposites of Senate Democrats' feelings on the war in Iraq.
Boxer, D-Calif., a staunch liberal, has railed steadily against the war. Lieberman, D-Conn., who has helped stake out his party's right wing, has supported it, spurring many Connecticut liberals to rally behind primary-election challenger Ned Lamont.......
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)where these people are concerned, but our representatives have a duty to address many. I'm no admirer of Lieberman's neocon leanings -- by a long shot, and I was glad when he left the Democratic Party, but not every piece of business Congress attends to is about war.
As for that election, perhaps you don't remember that Lamont beat Lieberman in the primary but LOST the senate seat to...Lieberman running by himself in the GE. A good thing considering Lamont could have lost the Senate seat to the GOP. He was not exactly a strong candidate.
Often which party holds a seat is more important to furthering its ideological goals than the ideological details of the person in that seat. The Democrats could work with Lieberman and they chose to try to keep him in the Senate, also to keep his good will by not opposing a man who was very likely to be there for some years.
Btw, I do think we should have some respect for the knowledge of people on the scene and their need to fashion a caucus they can get things done with, whether we would make the same choices or not. Any of dozens of people could fill in this and many other congressional pictures with many things that would cause us to say plenty of ohs, and I didn't know thats. We should always wonder what we don't know and usually assume it's a lot.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman (Conn.) suggested in a new interview that he was grateful that political momentum now seemed to be on the side of Republicans.
Lieberman, an Independent senator who caucuses with Democrats, acknowledged momentum for the GOP and said that independents had become alienated from Democrats, who control both the House and the Senate.
There were a lot of people, particularly Democrats, who were declaring after the 2008 election that we were beginning a period of Democratic dominance that would go on for decades, Lieberman said during an interview with the conservative Newsmax magazine.
Now, all of a sudden, the momentum is with the Republicans. And that's thank God that's the way people have spoken, you know? That's our democracy.
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Public option would lead him to filibuster, key senator says
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/27/health.care/index.html?iref=24hours
Washington (CNN) -- Independent Sen. Joseph Lieberman said Tuesday he would join a Republican filibuster to block the final vote on any health care bill that has a government-run public health insurance option.
Lieberman's vote is crucial to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's hopes of passing a health care bill that includes the controversial public option. Reid announced Monday he would send to the full Senate a health care bill that has a public option but also allows states to opt out of that provision.
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Top Ten Horrible Things done to Us by Outgoing Sen. Joe Lieberman
http://www.juancole.com/2011/01/top-ten-horrible-things-done-to-us-by-outgoing-sen-joe-lieberman.html
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how did that work out for the Dems?
sometimes you gotta draw a line in the sand, Lieberman WAS HORRID, and made the Dems weaker in many cases than having an actual Rethug sitting in his seat
but I will give you some points, we just agree to disagree, I do not want to pick a fight over that asshole, lolol
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)with pages of articles about how you never call your mother or when you were late paying your bills because you lost your job -- with several articles smearing you on that. But I can't, and that's obviously a good thing -- for us.
Unfortunately, almost any point of view can be supported by stuff written about major figures. The web's now like the Bible -- start with a prejudice, then mine the book for justification.
How about NOT mining the web to win arguments and instead try to fill in the big pictures so the details can be understood? We both don't like Lieberman, but this started with Barbara Boxer.
You want her to be a bad person because she didn't endorse Bernie (and don't bother telling me that is not the main reason because I won't believe you), and so you go looking for evidence of perfidy.
I know her to be at least usually a good, decent person and a liberal, who was reelected for three decades by a mostly liberal constituency who wanted to continue her in office. Because of this, I know she had reasons for supporting Lieberman's reelection that did not include being an evil, neocon-loving, affordable-healthcare-hating bitch.
I'd also like to point out that if you really want progressive reforms, you should not be attacking progressives. That's counterproductive.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)Boxer did support him in the primary.
Point 2 I am not, never was, nor ever will be a USA Senator, and in Lieberman's case, VP candidate, so even though one could find out info on me if one had my real full name, it would not be comparable.
Point 3 Boxer IS progressive, and overall was a good Senator, a progressive Senator, SO it is very disappointing to see her support two warhawk, neoliberal candidates.
PS
I take issue with this projection of descriptive terminology
I know you are trying to make a point, (I also think this is aimed at anti-Hillary types especially)
but wow, the bitch part is so not cool, I do NOT think all but maybe 1 or 2% of any Sanders or otherwise left progressive people would ever talk like that, especially DU people, and evil is as evil does. Also, Hillary is getting love from many neo cons, Libya WAS a neocons dream, and she is against single payer, which is what I personally (I have lived in multiple countries with it) the absolute best way to go for healthcare.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"Boxer shilling" post. "Shill" btw absolutely is a smear, and a very nasty one. I genuinely suspect Boxer would prefer being called a bitch, as senators have to be now and then, including the guys. "Shill" is an accusation of corruption and low position serving others.
Btw, if you don't want to be mistaken for the kind of people who do say those other things... Well, you know, take a half step back, take a sip of your drink, and look vaguely off into the distance until the subject is changed to something more respectable?
JudyM
(29,785 posts)I'm getting tired of using the pukey smiley so much but, well...
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Even the progressives (with a few exceptions) are still just establishment in reality. Esp. Sherrod Brown.
NewImproved Deal
(534 posts)msongs
(73,753 posts)+1000
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)JudyM
(29,785 posts)To some, the label matters but the substantive facts do not.
Others among us focus on what a legislator has done and less on what they call themselves.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)joshcryer
(62,536 posts)tokenlib
(4,186 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)She calls Bernie a "grumpy old man" and then says she's his friend?
Honestly, do these asses not know what video is?
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)have very serious issues. They seem a little bonkers.
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)They're fellow senators. What are you on about? You don't think they're friends? Sanders would say as much himself.
What a joke.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... Anyone who pays attention to what is said and what is done by these people would immediately dismiss what you said.
That you said it, just to stand behind these corporate shills to the corporately controlled, and OUT OF TOUCH DNC demonstrates your need to hold on to that joke.
It isn't working. You will ultimately find out how civic rolls intend to serve the people. It's not by thinking that people work as a group of "friends". There is a framework in that WHO you work with WHILE serving the people requires paying attention to basic rights of an electorate. THAT is what is going on here, not an episode of "Friends".
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)So you don't see her speech as disgusting and vile? I did. Perhaps that is a sign of thing to come in the election as the house of cards collapses around our party and the HRC camp stands there clueless as to why.
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)Because he has integrity.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)You are Right about Sanders being the one with integrity though...but no defense will happen as they have sent lawyers there after the pro-HRC camp stole the convention illegally. (that is why they were booing btw)
jfern
(5,204 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)What the hell. How tone deaf can you be?
It would be one thing to say what Boxer said if this was Philly and Hillary had just won the nomination but she hasn't won yet and Vegas isn't Philly. How stupid can you be to do something like this when the people are already mad about the process they have been going through all day at that convention. This was just incredibly dumb. You are right this was trolling.
.99center
(1,237 posts)You cannot continue on demonizing half of your base and win the GE. They've ran out of ammo against Bernie, the new strategy is to attack his supporters. Incite them, then use their words and actions as reasons for the establishment to attack with full force. It's all equal to them, if a random Bernie supporter post a msg on facebook, it's fair for Hillary or one of her surrogates to publicly attack Bernie and/or his supporters. The networks are playing along also, any time the DNC attacks Bernie, they talk about nasty things they've read online from Bernie supporters
BootinUp
(51,322 posts)She's the speaker at the event and was given no respect.
still_one
(98,883 posts)Black Lives Matter, at the Netroots Nation conference, continuously interrupted Sanders during his presentation.
The rants that went on here about how rude it was for them to interrupt Bernie and O'Malley, and how they had every right to be angry about it, seems that only applies if THEIR candidate is being interrupted. Obviously, Interruptions aren't rude if certain Sanders' supporters have issues when someone calling for Democratic unity, or something else they don't like
Amazing how double standards work
Hillary supporters were outraged when all Bernie did was give them his microphone, yet silent when Hillary had hers ejected out of the room by security.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)What kind of adults DO things like that, even if you disagree with someone???
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Does she know how a caucus convention works and what it is?
Half of those people were Bernie supporters. They were delegates, representing voters who supported Bernie in the Nevada caucuses. I've never heard of someone getting up and lecturing half of the room at a caucus convention--and admonishing them for not falling in line. LOL!
What a toolbag she is. Is there something wrong with her?
I'm not kidding...she sounded batshit crazy. I don't think she understands the caucus process or how a caucus convention works.
Did she think she was at a rally or something!?
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)It's worse in the Clinton camp than I thought.
Segami
(14,923 posts)
Wait, wait, wait. How is it that her grandson is related to the former secretary of State and presumptive 2016 presidential candidate?
Zach Rodham, as the interactive Muckety map shows, is the son of Nicole Boxer, the senators daughter, and Tony Rodham, the secretarys brother. His parents divorced in 2000.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)The 1% are all linked by blood, marriage or business. The rest of us are non-people.
.99center
(1,237 posts)She antagonizes and incites the crowd a few seconds after. Booing is a whole lot more civilized then what she just tried to pull. It appears she's doing everything possible to cause chaos and incite a riot from the video.
senz
(11,945 posts)Nasty little game she played there.
Guess what, Barbara? If Hill finagles her way to the nomination, she's going to need OUR votes desperately in the GE. She's a deeply unpopular candidate -- and you just insulted us.
OUR votes.
You need us more than we need you.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)They are and will continue to tell the left to go Cheney ourselves.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)I also hope California elects a progressive to replace her.
beltanefauve
(1,784 posts)California is a big D establishment party machine state. Our politicians are older and entrenched. The party has already groomed their young up-and-coming replacements: Kamala Harris will replace Boxer and Gavin Newsom will replace Jerry Brown.
senz
(11,945 posts)so that's bad news. But with encouragement, phone banking and canvassing, they could be feeling the Bern before the primary.
Also, for Californians reading these threads, it might be a good idea to mention the names of any progressive candidates who are running for Boxer's seat and the governorship. Let's get out the vote!
2banon
(7,321 posts)This is no overstatement.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)I am glad to see her go. Good riddance!
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)This is not going to last a day longer than it needs to.
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jillan
(39,451 posts)Is she out of her mind? Is she trying to bully us into supporting Hillary?
Sorry Barbara. This has the opposite effect.
The whole establishment has lost their fucking minds.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)while they tell the left to pound salt.
PFunk1
(185 posts)And that means just getting enough of the left combined with underhand tactics (like we saw now) to limp past the finish line just enough to get the GE nod. Unfortunately a Clinton GE nod will unite the splintered repugs like a lightning rod. And with a divided democratic party I think everyone knows what that means.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Hillary Rodham Clinton's younger brother, Tony Rodham, and Nicole Boxer, the daughter of Senator Barbara Boxer, were married on Saturday in the first White House wedding in 23 years.
About 250 guests attended the 40-minute ceremony in the Rose Garden. Judge Peter Capua, a family friend from Miami, performed the wedding under a white canopy after remarks from a Methodist minister and a Jewish lay representative.
"Everyone was extremely happy," said Neel Lattimore, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton. "There was applause at the end of the wedding and a lot of laughter." He described the President as "gleeful."
The Clintons' 14-year-old daughter, Chelsea, was a bridesmaid. After the ceremony, guests retired to the First Lady's garden. A buffet dinner was served in the State Dining Room, and dancing was held in the East Room.
Ms. Boxer, a 26-year-old film company executive from Marin, Calif., said in one prenuptial interview that she was "excited to have the kind of party my friends will remember." She added, "How often do you get to have friends at the White House?" Her mother, a Democrat, represents California in the Senate.
Mr. Rodham, 39, is a regional director in Los Angeles for the Democratic National Committee.
The event was closed to reporters.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/05/30/us/a-rose-garden-wedding.html
MelissaB
(16,595 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Booing and bullying and talking trash about anyone who does not support Bernie. That's all that is now left of Bernie's campaign. It was supposed to be so positive and uplifting. It's instead become the opposite.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Barbara Boxer took the microphone, and from the first second, she admonished and lectured Bernie supporters.
That was totally out of line. I am a delegate at the state/district level and I've been at conventions like this. I can't even IMAGINE a Hillary supporter (and relative!) lecturing Bernie supporters in front of the entire room.
These conventions are a gathering of the pledged delegates that each candidate had earned through the caucuses. I've NEVER seen a speaker at one of these conventions stand at the microphone and put one candidate's supporters on the defensive.
What she did is so out of line and totally inappropriate for the venue. If she wanted to talk about Hillary and show her support, that is fine. She lectured Bernie supporters and started all of that. She yells "fire" in a crowded theatre and she deserved to be booed.
Both campaigns had half the room. Both campaigns were there to vote and support their candidates, not to hear lectures.
Her crass action is preserved on video for all to see.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)people and behave like that. She's now an embarrassment.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Of a yelling person intentionally provoking them in an obvious fashion!
How terrible!
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)that I was backing this fu_king party?
This party who is cheating its favorites way into a nomination that they might very well have won without it and this Freaking shill above comes out and goes mega nasty.
Yea... Sky = Independent.
No more blind devotion.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)once the system crowns Hillary as the nominee I suspect a mass exodus from the party.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)Anyone who can't tell the difference between Trump and Clinton while claiming to be progressive is someone I will be happy to not be associated with.
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obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)And has been for decades. She is not a pile of shit, and it says so much about so many of you for calling her this, just because you disagree with her.
Nina Turner, a huge Bernie supporter, was also booed by Bernie folks, no matter the lies being spun it was HRC people. It wasn't.
Both Boxer and Turner are ethical and progressive people, and neither deserve the treatment they got from some entitled, little-minded people.
I usually don't respond to these type posts, but these comments about one of the best pols in Congress is so petty.
Starry Messenger
(32,381 posts)Zynx
(21,328 posts)She had just done the preliminaries and they were booing her. They were uncivilized boors.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)No matter how folks on this site are bleating it was HRC backers. It wasn't. It was Bernie folks.
The whole thing was like a bunch of ultra left Anarchists trying to get their way.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)He's not biased against Bernie, but he has well-developed contempt for his supporters. https://twitter.com/RalstonReports?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)Independent thought not required. Critical thinking strictly forbidden.
i'm not the one lying
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Hilarity. And never mind what Nina Turner says!
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... and it is YOU who have unfairly attacked them.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)But if a rotten candidate runs as a Democrat, I don't vote for them. I never vote straight party. Because I leave a few no-votes here and there. I'm not a blind democrat; I'm a person who votes for ideas and equality and it's been my case that those candidates are invariably Democratic.
So I guess you could say while I've never voted for one Republican since my first vote for George McGovern in 1972 and could never vote for Trump, I'm still not automatic for the party. A no-vote is again a possibility. This election is the quandary of my life. Hillary Clinton is under federal criminal investigation by the FBI and Justice Department. Until that's settled, the nomination should be put on hold.
And Barbara Boxer is history. This is her last hurrah as a surrogate for Hillary.
A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)They decide to unilaterally change the rules in the middle of the convention and they don't expect people to be pissed?
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djean111
(14,255 posts)That's the best way to find out stuff, really!
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Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)They think their bullshit is still working, that we're still buying it like we used to.
Another fallen icon, in the year of fallen icons.
Glad to see she's already leaving the Senate. Good! It saves us the trouble of getting rid of her. So why is she trying to throw her weight around in our political choices?
I'll let Obama reply to that ridiculous spectacle she made of herself in Nevada:
"Yeah, we don't do cowering."
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/24/the-inner-obama/
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Her seat is up for election in November and she's not running. Maybe that's why she feels emboldened to show her true colors. Her assertion that Bernie supporters were booing Bernie is right up there with grabbing somebody's fist and punching them with it and saying "Why do you keep punching yourself?"
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)I just saw that in reading some of the replies.
Lol! Yep, good analogy.
2banon
(7,321 posts)or other highly coveted position.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)Owl
(3,768 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)As a former Californian, one who grew up there and voted there for 27 years, I voted for and supported Boxer frequently. It had become obvious, though, for several years before I moved out of state, that she was more neo-liberal than liberal. Still, she had a voice, and got some respect from me.
This is just pathetic. Does she have any idea how her own power to speak, to influence, just swirled down the drain?
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)...and is as dirty as any of the DLC Third Way elite?
Oh, that Boxer?
huh......
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)then you went on to bait them like a high schooler. People were having their votes stolen from them, voter suppression was happening at that moment and they were angry. You have come out for Hillary - you even have family ties. So people were booing. Maybe not their finest hour but you should have TRIED to understand why they were doing so. Instead you baited them and went on to throw your support for Hillary in their faces.
What has become of you? Why act like that? You should have at least TRIED to act like a dignitary. You could have diffused the situation and empathised with them. I'll bet they would have stopped booing at you. Instead you chose to act like a spoiled brat who throws her "wins" in other peoples' faces. So unbecoming and it makes me sorry that I ever vote for you.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)They will get their desired outcome.
Starry Messenger
(32,381 posts)aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)Is this the first time she has been booed?
Tarc
(10,601 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)Kicking this thread up for all to see what we have here.
.99center
(1,237 posts)A stolen election. Would you agree that booing would be an appropriate and civil action that one should freely be able to express after such a perceived injustice? The fact that people are being demonized by established democrats for a simple and small acts of civil disobedience scares the living shit out me. We now have two authoritarian candidates in the race.
Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)There was nothing stolen here. People were caught trying to cheat the rules. End of story.
We've seen the same tantrum throwing and appalling behavior throughout this primary.
Number23
(24,544 posts)From the second the guy announced her, the crowd started booing. She said "I bring a message from Sanders and Clinton that we need civility" and the response was more booing.
Keep trolling, Barbara! And keep rolling.
insta8er
(960 posts)BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)making an appearance at a Nevada STATE convention? Is Harry Reid #NotWithHer?
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)making an appearance at a Nevada STATE convention?
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Just read further up and found out that Boxer and Clinton were related by marriage. So it's family time, is it? Makes me wanna
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JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... right before the CA primary.
Excellent strategy for winning CA!
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)She was consciously trying to incite an angry reaction.
vintx
(1,748 posts)No more.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)Is she thanking people for booing?
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)they are trying to piss us off, they would like more than anything to profile us as the criminals. Beware.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)tandem5
(2,078 posts)gets thrown under the bus?
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)need to play the victim card for California.
amborin
(16,631 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)I think my grandson's generation saw that very early in the game.
MrTriumph
(1,720 posts)Up until now Trump has been the bully in this campaign. Senator Boxer makes him look courteous in comparison.