They didn't need to do it. They did. Now I don't see how they can heal the breach

[cali]

Stupid. Counterproductive. So unnecessary. In your face corruption in the dem party.

Contrary to what Hillary supporters think this has shit to do with sour grapes; I've always known Hillary would be the nominee,, and I haven't been shy about saying so. Not that I expect a single one of you to grasp why I find this so disturbing.


And I'm out of GD-P.




Edit: to be clear, the problem isn't that Hillary got more delegates. It's the process.

[Peace Patriot]

1. Naw, don't give up. CA registered 850,000 new voters in Jan-March and...

...will likely reach one million by the deadline May 23. Oregon has had a similar spectacular surge. The secretaries of state are flabbergasted. They've never seen anything like it.

Sanders has ignited the West Coast and we CAN put Sanders over!

Clinton's is a failing campaign. That's WHY they're doing asshole things like Nevada!

[monmouth4]

2. Thanks for this post. I am so disgusted and disheartened but your post made me feel a bit better..

[CoffeeCat]

30. It's ok to be disgusted, but don't be disheartened

No one said this would be easy. There are millions who feel exactly as you do. We're in the fight and a lot will happen in the next couple of months.

All of the bad karma will come 'round back to Hillary. You can't be as corrupt as she is, wreak the havoc that she has, and treat people they way she does--and not have consequences.

Those consequences are coming. Keep the faith.

[monmouth4]

32. Thanks CoffeeCat, feel better already..n/t

[NewImproved Deal]

3. How many of those 850,000 lined up just to rubber-stamp the Clinton Machine?

Not many, I wager...

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[lostnfound]

9. How many are fake re-registrations intended to kluge up Election Day?

Will we be reading about all the people whose registrations changed to republican? Or a sudden surge in "Independent" who didn't realize they were in the ineligible American Indepent Party?
Or whose precincts suddenly changed?

[ViseGrip]

25. ^^^^THIS^^^^

[B Calm]

4. Any candidate that had over a 500 super delegate lead before the first vote was cast in Iowa is

CHEATING!

[jillan]

5. Before any other candidate threw their hat in the ring! I have a feeling tonite was just a preview

of the convention.

Boxer's comments were the icing on the cake.

[OKNancy]

6. I've seen a lot of twisting to fit ones viewpoint. Jon Ralston

is a respected and unbiased Las Vegas reporter.
Read what he says.
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports

Here is someone from DU who was there: http://upload.democraticunderground.com/1107133389
NOTE: this is in the Hillary group

[Jim Lane]

8. A serious question for Clinton supporters

You want Hillary Clinton to become the next President. Did the conduct of the Nevada convention increase, decrease, or have no effect on the chance of that happening?

My take is that it decreased the chance, at least slightly. On that basis, I believe that the Clinton supporters in Nevada made a tactical mistake.

Instead of pivoting toward the general election (by working toward party unity), they acted as if the nomination battle is still going on, and they therefore ought to fight for every delegate. Well, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If Clinton people are acting as if the nomination battle isn't over, then they can't upbraid Sanders people for doing exactly the same thing.

[Karma13612]

11. +100 eom

[Ferd Berfel]

15. ....the nom battle IS still going on

[Jim Lane]

16. I agree with you, and that's a valid defense of the Clinton campaign's conduct

What they did suggests that they agree with us, too, despite what their more intemperate allies on DU say.

[Henhouse]

21. Between that nastiness at Hillary Clinton's rally last weekend and this...

I think Sander's supporter's and their behavior at the Hillary Clinton rally in California and at the Democratic convention in Nevada are going to hurt Bernie in California.....Nevada and California are next door neighbors and the Bernie supporters are attacking the Democratic Party and one of the most popular Demomcratic Senators, not just in California but, in the nation.

But that is my answer to your question and my opinion.....

[Jim Lane]

24. You answered a different question

Your answer is that the actions of Sanders supporters are hurting Sanders's chances in a Democratic primary. My question was whether the actions of Clinton supporters are hurting Clinton's chances in the general election.

On the Hillary-is-inevitable that's a frequently reiterated article of faith among many Clinton supporters on DU, the question you answered is immaterial.

[CoffeeCat]

31. We had our State Convention in Iowa a couple of weeks ago

and the entire thing was focused on party unity and fighting Donald Trump. There were no speeches that leveraged a particular candidate. We just worked together as a group on the platform. Of course there were disagreements and a couple of votes went straight down Clinton/Sanders lines.

However, all of the speeches given were about our commonalities and moving forward together.

I can't say that all of the delegates bought into all of this unity. Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters are clearly still in primary mode. However, the leadership and those who spoke and facilitated the process--were fair, courteous, and focused on what we had in common as Democrats.

Why the leaders of the Nevada caucus (including Boxer) would choose to act in such an infantile way, is beyond me. As far as I'm concerned, Boxer showed up and did the equivalent of yelling, "Fire!" in a crowded theater. Her entire speech, from the onset, was a authoritarian smackdown of Bernie supporters. That is bizarre.

I can't imagine any speaker at our Convention doing that.

[NewImproved Deal]

29. No thanks.

Ralston is a just another shill for the Clinton Machine.

[Chan790]

7. They deserve to lose. It's too bad that we can't let them b/c Trump will be a national disaster. n/t

[lostnfound]

10. Yep. It's like, "I wouldn't do X unless someone put a gun to my head": boom, here's Trump, the gun!

[Lizzie Poppet]

14. So will Hillary. The question is which would be the worst disaster?

That's probably Trump...but it's kind of like someone asking if you'd rather be shot with a .22 or a .357 Magnum.

Apparently "I don't want to be shot" isn't an option.

[Karma13612]

12. With enough bullshite

I believe we WILL see a huge increase in calls for Bernie to run on an Independent ticket.

I KNOW he said he would not, but this is ridiculous.

He said he wouldn't, because he didn't want to divide the party.

Well, maybe HRC didn't get the memo, cause this crap is the fuel for a revolution.

PUMA, anyone?

[Hydra]

13. It's debatable if they needed to do it or not

I favor the idea that it was unnecessary and a bad tactic- better if they were seen to win legitimately even if it is by a razor thin margin.

But I think they are scared- that razor thin margin may not hold up with more victories on Bernie's side, even retroactive ones.

They are setting themselves up to burn- they are destroying the party to get a win now, when there is no assurance that she can win the GE.

[JVS]

18. I think you're being generous.

There's no debate about it. That didn't need to be done. The whole point of super delegates is that you don't need to engage in such chicanery in a close race when you can just have the supers put you over the top anyway. Also in a 2 person race someone is going to get a majority of elected delegates and that person is going to be Hillary. But what is really tone deaf about this is that just a few weeks ago Ted Cruz did this kind of stuff and it went over really poorly with republican voters. It takes real idiocy to watch someone else burn their hand on a hot stove and then decide you'll need to try it yourself to be certain.

[2banon]

19. Well Said.

The whole point of super delegates is that you don't need to engage in such chicanery in a close race when you can just have the supers put you over the top anyway.

I didn't know about the Ted Cruz thingy, don't recall it mentioned. But then I rarely observed details in that party's machinations.

So many 'Lessons Not learned" in this campaign.

Or at least, not the more appropriate lessons to put in polite terms.

[H2O Man]

17. Recommended.

I do hope that you will continue in GDP until the convention.

I agree that the Nevada experience will make it next to impossible for the party to unite.

[WolverineDG]

20. Scorched earth

HRC doesn't give a damn if there's a Democratic party left, so long as she gets her "inevitable" nomination & place in history.

The Clintons have no interest in healing any breaches in the party. All they want are the money & the votes.

[riversedge]

22. bye.

[Tarc]

23. Sorry, but the process is that non-Democrats don' get to be delegates

And the Sanders people where trying to get more of their in that they didn't deserve.

It looks like it was pretty ugly last night, but Sanders people are the ones that turned it into a debacle where people feared for their physical safety.

[Trust Buster]

26. We really don't care how much you whine. We won.

[riversedge]

27. Sanders fans didn't need to do it. Bur they did. Now I don't see how they can heal the breach!

[Jim Lane]

34. But if Clinton is the inevitable nominee, then any breach is a bigger problem for her. (n/t)

[mooseprime]

28. Please stay

Once strong voices are getting fainter and fainter here. Yours is still much needed!

I don't think I will ever forget that line of brown shirted police. It's now forever associated with the Clinton campaign.

[Jennylynn]

33. She's surely lost the GE now if she manages to continue the theft of the Primaries. Eom

[Adrahil]

36. Theft? She won by 5% in February.

Sanders supporters were hoping to overturn result.

[Adrahil]

35. Caucuses suck. They are ripe for this kind of conflict. NT