Shameful rudeness at state conventions does Bernie's cause no good.

[RBInMaine]

There are some, and I say again, SOME Bernie folks who are being VERY rude at state conventions. It happened last weekend in Maine. It has happened this weekend in Nevada. There is simply no call for it. It undermines their own cause, and it is extremely UNdemocratic when they say they are for fairness and democracy. Booing speakers and heckling is CHILDISH NONSENSE. For SHAME!

Is this the kind of third grade behavior Bernie is preaching? It reminds me of the crazed Trump fans. I don't think so. I think Bernie would be embarrassed by it.

In Maine, some Bernie people heckled Barney Frank when he spoke. In Nevada, some booed Barbara Boxer. These are PROGRESSIVES who have fought for positions the Bernie folks claim to value. Those particular Bernie fans should hang their heads in SHAME. It is one thing to be passionate, but quite another to be uncivil. It is CHILDISH behavior.

I have said it before and will say it again. I like Bernie and agree with him in many ways. But he KNEW his candidacy was a LONG SHOT. Go back and look at the video clips of when he started his campaign, saying to people on the trail that it was a long process and his winning this nomination was no sure thing.

Bernie has accomplished a great deal in this campaign and should be congratulated for that. But, he has always been an independent and not even a registered Democrat. He is VERY far to the left, moreso than most Americans. As a self avowed socialist, some of his past rhetoric and positions on some issues would be huge right wing attack fodder night and day in a general election. He is long on attractive talking points but too short on complex details around his understanding of issues and his solutions. He has not created the kind of "revolution" that he truly envisions. He has done well activating certain segments of the primary electorate, but he does not have a broad-based revolution nor a longterm revolution to create the kinds of massive change he wants. In fact, he has received far fewer votes than Obama did in the 2008 primary, and millions less than Hillary this year. It remains to be seen whether he will continue to form such a movement going forward regardless of the outcome of the primary cycle. Finally, he has far fewer pledged delegates than Hillary. That is the MATH. It has been a FAIR process, and it is almost IMPOSSIBLE for Bernie to catch up to Hillary in the contest for pledged delegates. (Forget about the super delegates.)

Hillary is almost certain to be the nominee, and the Bernie folks need to accept it, just as she accepted it when she so narrowly lost to Obama in 2008. She released her delegates and strongly supported Obama. Hillary is supremely qualified and PROGRESSIVE. If it comes down to the INSANE CARNIVAL BARKER TRUMP or Clinton, then Bernie supporters should have no problem enthusiastically supporting Hillary. And Bernie himself as well. It is the biggest no brainer imaginable.

[hobbit709]

1. Shenanigans like the Clintonistas pulled in NV are unacceptable.

I'd be loud and rude too if someone tried to jack me around.
Hillary and her minions are acting like Nixon in 1972.

Let's hear it for more red baiting from you.

[RBInMaine]

4. Baloney! She won the NV caucuses. In fact, it was the Bernie people who at that time engaged in

"shenanigans." Go back check out what they were doing. And in Maine, Bernie won the primary with 65%, and some were STILL very rude and ridiculous-acting at the convention last weekend. So please, stop defending this CHILDISH behavior. The silly behavior by SOME of these Bernie folks only helps the LUNATIC TRUMP.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

16. And Bush won Florida

[B Calm]

40. +1

[kcr]

67. True colors n/t

[dchill]

104. Perfect reply!

[Chezboo]

74. Sanders is the new Obama

Clinton's delegates don't show up for the second round and it's the fault of... Sanders.

[OwlinAZ]

55. Exactly.

Bernie's supporters have been far too polite.

[PowerToThePeople]

66. Exactly

The cheaters and authoritarian fascists can all go straight to hell.

[brush]

84. You're full of it. I caucused in Vegas on election day and there were way more Clinton supporters

than Sanders' supporters.

It was clear as day. I was there and it's obvious you were not yet you post this crappola.

He lost Nevada on election day and last night's results justly reflect that.

[JackRiddler]

94. This is what democracy looks like.

Too bad certain Democrats do not actually believe in it and feel that refusing their shameless game-rigging is impolite.

[roguevalley]

97. rudeness is worse than thievery

Wow. Can't you peons take your enslavement nicely? Rules are for little people

[Hortensis]

2. Very good, sensible and decent post, RB. K&R.

[B Calm]

3. With over a 500 super delegate lead before the first vote was cast in Iowa, this

whole god damn primary season is a sham. She cheated and will never get my vote. This is the new conservative party, thanks DWS!

[RBInMaine]

5. NONSENSE! She has many more PLEDGED delegates. She did not create the unpledged delegate system.

Enough of the conspiracy theories. YOU ARE HELPING THE LUNATIC TRUMP! You might as well go work for him.

[B Calm]

6. Nonsense my ass, Google it!

[RBInMaine]

7. Forget the super delegates! She has MANY more PLEDGED DELEGATES and Bernie can't catch up.

Do you understand MATH??? Nothing was "rigged." She has nothing do with who so called super delegates support nor when they decide to endorse a candidate. And, that system was created way the hell back in the early 1970's and has NEVER undermined the popular votes in the primaries. You people need to stop the silly conspiracy theories.

She has about THREE MILLION MORE POPULAR VOTES and well over 200 more PLEDGED delegates. As a lifelong independent, Bernie KNEW his chance of winning this nomination was a LONG SHOT. Go back and look at his early campaign video clips essentially saying this to people on the campaign trail.

Are you for a Democrat or Trump? THAT is your ONLY choice in November.

[B Calm]

10. A lot of fucking good those pledged candidates are going to do when I select to sit this election

out because the democratic candidate cheated.

[RBInMaine]

12. Your conspiracy theories are NONSENSE, and you might as well go work for the NUTCASE Trump.

[B Calm]

18. Blame me for Trump if it helps you get through the night, but

at the same time I'll blame DWS for cramming a shitty conservative candidate down our throats!

500+ Super Delegate lead before the first vote was cast in Iowa is not a conspiracy theory, it's the fucking truth!

[Sky Masterson]

33. All of this time we thought the Democrats were different than the GOP

We thought it was a democracy.
I almost don't care anymore who wins in 2016.
Hell, I'm turning 50 and I'll be dead in a few decades like all of these other old dino-saurs so fervently supporting the Neoconesq candidate.
Who cares if we are in another war before her first year is over because its her turn.
The freaking republicans got it easier with trump than the DNC will have with the appointed one.
This party is in trouble, my friends.

[B Calm]

34. I just turned 65 and never have sat out an election in my life. This primary has

opened my eyes to what I've known for sometime now, the not insane republicans are taking over the Democratic party.

[Demsrule86]

41. Really?

At your age, you can't afford Trump.

[Sky Masterson]

48. At our age

We can't afford Corporate Dems who rig elections.
Hell, I'm poor anyways WTF else can they do to me.
If we get a President Trump then its on the establishment.

[Demsrule86]

60. Well if Trump is elected

and I don't believe he will be...the GOP will control all the government, then you will know true misery...I don't suppose you care enough about your fellow man or woman to worry about how Roe V Wade...goes away, SS and all 'entitlements' are destroyed and kids literally starve...but consider your precious revolution can not survive 5 GOP court picks for SCOTUS

[Chezboo]

80. Yeah, I thought the same thing about Dubya.

How could that guy ever get elected? Now we know how. And now the question will be whose got the better-honed election rigging down. Hillary was going to have a near impossible job unifying people she thinks are petty annoyances, much less those that will never accept her neocon ways. You're going to find out the hard way she's no progressive and it could be avoided if you'd actually check her record and study her history - talk about misery. The travesty in NV yesterday was the last nail for unification.

[Demsrule86]

89. Do you think

Bush was elected thanks to Nader voters. It is not hard to understand at all. However, Bernie lost the primary ...so you rally around Clinton or you don't ...your choice...we certainly can not overturn the primary and select our candidate by polls.

[cui bono]

93. No, Bush was elected because of election fraud and a weak Dem Party and corrupt SCOTUS.

Gore won Florida. Blaming it on Nader only shows you don't care about democracy or the people's right to have a voice. Not suprising that you are a Hillary fan and trying to scare people into voting for Hillary.

We have someone we WANT to vote for, someone we have been DREAMING about for our whole lives. We are not going to be silenced or bullied into voting to continue corporate corruption and takeover. Join the people or lose but whatever happens will be your own damn fault for supporting a flawed and corporate candidate.

.

[Chezboo]

95. If your understanding is Nader voters elected gwb

it obviously is hard to understand. If there wasn't election fraud it would never have gone to the SC. And Hillary, Inc. has mastered the tools of the trade.

[northernsouthern]

81. Five!

Lol, Seems we are no longer voting for Hillary but for a mass exodus from the court. If Obama can't even get a conservative in to the court right now then how can anyone else? But five? Wow! Basically the HRC platform is now just trying to hold earlier advancements hostage so that we elect a person what will make no more advancements.

[Demsrule86]

88. We have five justices over 80

And the GOP can stall but I promise you, the Dems won't be able to...if the GOP keeps the Senate which if Trump won they would.

[cui bono]

92. If you really cared about what you mention you would be supporting Bernie

and making sure he is the Dem nominee.

Hillary is a corporate candidate through and through. She will say anything to get elected. She is a warhawk. She will never take care of the people if it means not doing what her corporate benefactors want. We're tired of corporations getting the breaks. It's time for the people to get them and the ONLY candidate not beholden to big money is Bernie. You have a fantastic chance here, don't piss it away. You will have only yourself to blame for the repercussions.

.

[B Calm]

49. I know, but it sickens me to see the Turd Way

taking over the democratic party.

[Demsrule86]

63. Please

You all confuse Bill with Hillary...and there was no other way to win in 92...you do know that Bill only won thanks to Perot? We were looking at GOP presidents for at least eight years. It was a Reagan-worshipping time. I give Bill Clinton much credit and his court pick Ginsberg was awesome as was Breyers.

[cui bono]

91. Then show some "kindness and love" and make sure Bernie wins the Dem nom.

That's they only way any working person can feel a sense of safety in that they will know they are being repped. That ain't gonna happen with a corporate candidate.

.

[OwlinAZ]

56. A new Party will require dedication and perseverance.

let us begin ASAP.

[Demsrule86]

64. Better make sure Trump loses first

Your revolution and/or party can not survive four years of the GOP controlling all branches of government.

[B Calm]

73. You saying she can't beat Trump? She will win if only registered republicans

were allowed to vote.

[George II]

46. As a matter of fact, Tad Devine, one of Sanders' top advisors, created the SD system!

[BeyondGeography]

32. The supers follow whomever wins PDs, as they did in 2008

Obama faced a similar uphill climb with the Party. After he won Iowa he still trailed by 100 SD's. It wasn't until mid-May when the PD math was irreversibly in his favor that he had more SD's. He won fair-and-square, just as HRC has this time around. You don't get blown out of an entire region, get stomped in FL, OH, NY and PA, trail by three million PV's, fall nearly 300 PD's behind and win the SD battle.

[B Calm]

106. What part of crammed down our throats from the get go escapes you? She had

over a 500 Super Delegate lead before the first vote was cast in IOWA.

[DrDan]

8. Well said

[RBInMaine]

13. Thanks.

[fun n serious]

9. The candidate sets the tone...

Bernie has express extreme disdain for the democratic party. I was neutral for a short bit.. As a life long registered DEM I felt alienated and assaulted as well as insulted by Bernie. When he spoke so much hatred for the party I honestly felt he hated me. That's when I knew Hill was my choice 100%.It did not take me long t o make my choice, I saw the danger in how he was making people believe democrats were corrupt. Bernie is right about corruption, big banks and campaign finance but not everything is rigged and corrupt. I truly think he believes EVERYTHING, I mean, EVERYTHING is corrupt and rigged. When it goes that far it is clear delusional paranoia.

Hillary won AZ.. Reddit Berners took out Craig list ads and had a lot of people show up. There were reports of blocking Hillary delegates from entering the convention among other shenanigans. Now AZ is back where it was originally with Hillary and they yell foul corruption.

The data theft from Bernie's campaign stealing Hillary's data... They sued the DNC to look like victims. An independent investigation confirmed the theft happened by Bernie's campaign. After all that.. they out out a statement that said no wrong doing was found so they dropped the suit!?? How deceptive is that?

What they do is OK though because.. you know, anything is OK for the "cause."

They need to take a hard look at their own actions.

[RBInMaine]

15. Yes, SOME of the Bernie folks are lost in a sad ocean of DELUSIONAL CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

[OwlinAZ]

59. It's not conspiracy theories.

It's the sam4e kind of slimy politics the Clintons have engaged in for years.

[cui bono]

31. "The candidate sets the tone..."

That explains a lot about the HRC group and the Clinton Cave. And how so many of her supporters have so many hides. I mean 21 hides?!?! How did you manage that?

Seems you should clean up your own house before lecturing others.

.

[Demsrule86]

43. Pretty clear how that happened

Bernie supporters rigged the juries...and it is so obvious. Putting alerts on even the Hillary group posters...so disgusting... Bernie supporters tipping off posters who are juried so they can delete their posts in time thus preserving your ability to serve on a jury and rig it...you have alerted your way into winning juries...aren't you proud? I had a post hidden something that never happened 3-2...usual BS...and anyone can read my post and see it was not objectionable. It is in my journal. I wear it like a badge of honor...I don't blame DU or Skinner...they never imagined people could act like this.

[RazBerryBeret]

57. keep in mind...

your group has banned 778 DU'ers.... with only 400 subscribers and 435 DU'ers who've trashed it...and don't say it was because people were spewing hate on your threads...I was banned for correcting someone that Bernie is a Democratic Socialist not a Socialist..... I have to say I never imagined democrats could be like this either....

[Demsrule86]

62. Oh please.

The jury-rigging for Bernie is obnoxious and obvious. I had to resort to blocking the worst of them...the Lolita post was the final straw...and the recent attack on women...too.

[monmouth4]

11. It's common knowledge in my part of the world that she can't win if she doesn't cheat...eom

[RBInMaine]

14. Ridiculous and baseless conspiracy theories nowhere near reality. Do they believe in MATH?

[cui bono]

23. Open your eyes. You're on DU today. Read one of the posts about the Nevada convention.

Pull you head out of the sand and get off your high horse.

.

[fun n serious]

22. Your candidate wants you to believe that

Corruption and rigged are the words he uses most. It's so bad it's at a paranoid level. Hillary is winning and has been winning by a landslide. Landslide wins are hard to fake. 300 pledged delegated and 3 million more votes. That is a landslide. The cheating happened in Bernie's camp. It's 4am here and I need some sleep but I will post proof after I have a nap.

[cui bono]

30. "Landslide" doesn't mean what you think it does.

.

[monmouth4]

61. Your shift should be over soon..n/t

[fun n serious]

68. My shift? I have been a member since 2005

You mean your shift?

[Demsrule86]

44. right the world where it is

opposite day!

[beachbum bob]

17. childishness behavior is not surprising from zealots who have hard time facing reality

[BootinUp]

19. Based on what I can see coming through the series of tubes

I have to agree with you.

[jillan]

20. But shouting at a Bernie supporter calling her a fucking bitch is okay? Enough with the holier than

thou attitude of the Hillary supporters.

Some of you are extremely obnoxious as well.

[fun n serious]

25. Bernie supporters yelled the F word

at a 7 year old during a Hillary rally!!

[jillan]

28. So that makes it okay? Sounds like something my kids would say to me when they were in

kindergarten. Why did you do that? Well Susie did it.

Sorry.
Wrong is wrong. And there is anger on BOTH sides.

[Demsrule86]

45. Let me get this straight

Bernie supporters are allowed to scream fuck you at Hillary supporters and elected officials of the Democratic party..but if a Hillary supporter screams fuck you back or calls you a name...she is evil. BSSer's logic...how dare you fight back Hillary people...we are entitled to win by any means!

[Kittycat]

35. You never provided proof of this. That was at an adult

Yelling at another adult. I found the L extension video further down in that tweet you had posted that day and shared it. Further, the protest was organized by some other organization, not Bernie, and that was also shown to you. Continuously posting a smear doesn't make it truth. It just makes the poster appear dishonest and untrustworthy.

[cui bono]

21. Yes. People should be polite and say "thank you" when elections are stolen right in front of them.

What the fuck is wrong with those people? How dare they stand up for fairness and accuracy in a democracy? How dare they want an ethical election process. People like that disgust me. They need to just roll over and accept that anything, ANYTHING, done to ensure the establishment candidate wins should not only not be booed at, it should be applauded and thanked and held up as an example for other states and countries so that they too can enjoy the status quo and have TPTB make their political choices for them.

Silly people, thinking their vote matters. When will they ever learn their place? We are all so fortunate there are Hillary supporters who care enough about us to teach us how we should all behave.

.

[fun n serious]

24. Who stole what?

Proof please.

[cui bono]

29. It's all over DU and it's past my bedtime. If someone doesn't post some for you before I come back

I'll find you some links.

But really, I'm sure you've already seen all the OPs about the Nevada convention. There's videos too so it's really easy for you to check it out. It's a lot easier that way, you don't even have to understand Twitter. Enjoy!

.

[Demsrule86]

47. You stole the votes in April

How fair is that...your turned a Bernie loss into a win by shenanigans like Cruz did? You disenfranchised voters in Nevada in April...particularly minority voters and now you have the gall to talk about fairness?

[cui bono]

85. I did? I must have started taking ambien and been driving to Nevada in my sleep.

Thanks for telling me! My cats must have gotten a scrip and slipped it into my tea!

.

[Demsrule86]

87. Oh come on

Let's not play games...Bernie supporters stole delegates in April. They lost Nevada and have no right to the delegates they are crying bitter tears about today.

[cui bono]

90. So you agree with the purposeful and arbitrary elimination of delegates in Nevada?

You don't care about democracy then? You must love this sight then:



.

[pengu]

26. Fuck that shit

Ya'll are blatantly cheating and rigging this primary.

[grossproffit]

37. Bull

[pengu]

38. It doesn't matter what you think

We've been watching it since the debate times were chosen and at every step since then along the way. Nobody cares if Clinton partisans think this wasn't rigged. We'll decide that on our own, and the answer is clear as day.

Fuck this primary. Fuck this process.

Crooked.

[Thinkingabout]

99. Sanders lost every debate.

[Vinca]

36. Thank you, dear Hillary supporter, for reminding us again what assholes we are.

You'd think a certain person wasn't going to require our votes in November.

[B Calm]

39. They don't need our votes. They are demanding that we get the fuck out of our party.

Their sense of entitlement is a republican trait and republicans are taking over, all thanks to DWS and the Turd Way. They believe Hillary will win with the help of establishment Republicans and they may be right.

[hack89]

65. Actually you are the ones constantly reminding us. nt

[Vinca]

70. And yet another wonderful Hillary supporter causing people not to vote for her.

With supporters like you, who needs enemies?

[hack89]

72. No wonder Bernie failed with such delicate flowers supporting him

can't wait for the primary to be over so we can be rid of all these immature, feckless, whining BS "revolutionaries".

[Sejon]

77. You'll need their vote in November

[Vinca]

83. They don't think so . . . obviously.

But if Hillary loses you know who they'll blame.

[hack89]

86. No. The majority of Sanders supporters will vote for Hillary

That small minority I was talking about can fuck off for all I care.

[uponit7771]

103. +1

[Lizzie Poppet]

42. So Camp Weathervane pulls some truly outrageous, anti-democratic shit in NV...

...and you choose to complain when people respond with obscenities (instead of storming the fucking podium)?

For fuck's sake...

[JoePhilly]

50. Let them be rude and obnoxious.

Its not helping them win the nomination.

[stonecutter357]

54. +1000

[99Forever]

51. Cry me a fucking river.

Cheating cheaters don't deserve anything else.

Call the fucking whambulence.

[Arkansas Granny]

52. Thank you for a well reasoned post.

[aikoaiko]

53. To hell with Barney Frank after the shit he said about Bernie

Mere booing was respectful

[Hiraeth]

58. Spin Doctors had a couple of hits in the early nineties

[ViseGrip]

69. Standing up to be counted is not 'rude'. Politics is rude. Get out if you cannot handle

people standing up for their rights! That's what it's all about....ffs.

[farleftlib]

71. False binary

There are more than two options.

[whatchamacallit]

75. What was shameful and rude was the sewage that spewed out of Boxer's pie hole.

[Sparkly]

76. Well said!!

[Fawke Em]

78. We don't care.

Call us children. Call us entitled. Call us conspiracy theorists.

All you're doing is making our point for us: the Party has been taken over by Third Way oligarchs who are using divisive language in a vain attempt to quash the proletariat.

What you don't seem to realize is that the critical mass has awakened and realizes that the (formerly) Democratic Party needs to be realigned back into the party of the people.

This is happening no matter how many invectives you lob from the balcony to the cheap seats.

[ViseGrip]

79. When you speak up becasue your registration was changed, that is not 'rude'.

The common factor with Bernie and these supporters are this:

They are both not afraid to stand up for THEIR RIGHTS!

These things seem to mean very little to hillary supporters. Gads.

[beedle]

82. Bullshit ... Bullshit ... this was straight up theft.

Hillary executive members simply accused 64 Bernie delegates of not being legitimate delegates, without evidence, and then did not even allow them the opportunity to show evidence they were delegates. Then counted the votes.

Then to add insult to injury they were at first not even going to let the honest executives present their minority report outlining the disgusting tactics that just took place.

It was the "shameful redness" that made it possible for the truth to be heard ... the dishonesty of the Hilary executives deserved nothing better than 'rudeness'.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279939-clinton-nets-two-delegates-at-raucous-nev-convention

Leslie Sexton, a convention credentials committee co-chair, took the microphone just after the final results were read and said she had a minority report but was not allowed to give it.

The crowd started up loud chants of “Let her speak” and “Recount,” and after a few minutes a Democratic National Committee (DNC) member gave her the podium.

Sexton reported that nearly 64 Sanders delegates to the state convention were excluded from the convention process. The Vermont senator only had 33 fewer delegates than Clinton in attendance.

“The credentials minority report is based on the challenge of 64 Sanders delegates. Contrary to the procedures and precedents set by the committee, nearly none of these 64 people were presented with the opportunity to be heard by the committee or to demonstrate that they are registered Democrats," Sexton said.

"Without the opportunity to be heard, no delegate could be stricken. The actions of the credentials committee violates the spirit of the Nevada state delegate plan, which encourages full participation in the democratic process, and it violates the spirit and values of our state and our nation."

[Alfresco]

96. kick

[SidDithers]

98. DU rec...nt

Sid

[Thinkingabout]

100. K & R, good article, some of the actions of yelling, shouting at young children,

False accusations of cheating when there was attempts to cheat by the accusers, it will not result in a Sanders nomination, he simply does not have the math on his side. If this is what his revolution is about, his movement, it will not be successful. His oligarchy will not rule this nation.

[dchill]

102. Welcome to Autocratic Underground.

[Android3.14]

107. Let me translate that for you... "Be a drone!"

I despise cowardice, and I despise those who encourage it.

[baldguy]

108. But it does help the Democratic Party, & helps to ensure a Clinton victory.

In July and in November.