Barbara Boxer & Hillary

[Merryland]

Listening to Barbara Boxer's insane rant in the face of overwhelming boo's - and I believe a moderator who kept trying to get her off the stage (they should have had a hook) - one thing stands out. Her comment: "She cares about us."

You know what? Hillary Clinton doesn't care about me. She doesn't care about you. And this attempt to turn her into some kind of Mother Goddess is laughable. She cares about one person only. So stop saying she cares about US. She doesn't.

[JaneyVee]

1. I remember when Barbara Boxer was worshipped here.

Anyone who questions Bernie becomes an enemy. Not a good tactic.

[JoePhilly]

4. + 1

[reddread]

5. why? because she voted against the IWR?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

[CoffeeCat]

7. I don't care if she's not a Bernie supporter

but she took to the podium and from the first word--began admonishing and lecturing Bernie supporters.

Barbara Boxer was more than welcome to give a pro-Hillary speech. That's what happens at Conventions. Supporters discuss and leverage the candidates they support.

Boxer, from the first word--decided to lecture put Bernie supporters on the defensive. This was not the appropriate venue for a smackdown of half of the people in the room--who were Bernie delegates.

All supporters in that room are delegates that each candidate has earned.

I just attended our County and District Conventions. I can't imagine anyone doing this. It's completely out of line. Our room would have erupted too. It's understood at Conventions that supporters of both candidates are there to work together on the platform and get through the process. Everyone treads very lightly out of respect for the process.

Barbara Boxer took to the microphone and did the opposite.

Doesn't mean that she's a horrible person, or that she's the enemy. But her actions were wrong.

[Owl]

13. Exactly.

[Kittycat]

16. And by contrast, Nina Turner

I don't have the YouTube link, but here is the link on Twitter. It was a very inspiring & energizing speech for any democrat.

https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/731834306989981698

[Babel_17]

47. An important point

Thanks for making it.

[jack_krass]

48. Yep to come out swinging like that in this delicate situation shows an

exagerated sense of privledge, an out of control ego, and lack of self control.

[Fawke Em]

61. Her speech was cringe-worthy.

When she tried to say that if Bernie supporters booed her admonishing "now, now kids" lecture, they were really booing Bernie because Bernie is her friend, I flipped off the screen.

She's certainly not acted like Bernie's friend during this primary. She's called him grumpy and jumped, wrong-headedly, into the "qualifications" fray when any thinking person could see that was media manipulation.

With friends like her, who needs enemies?

[reddread]

9. because she stood against the railroading of Anita Hill?

rather than hiring one of the engineers?

[Broward]

39. I remember when right-wing ideas were rejected here. Sadly, that's no longer the case.

[frylock]

55. Credibilty and respect that took a lifetime to create can be lost in a nanosecond.

This is a case in point.

[oldandhappy]

2. The first time I read this I read the

Mother Goddess as Mother Goose!

[tularetom]

3. Frankly, I don't care who she cares about

And I don't care much for her new BFF Boxer either at this point.

[Hare Krishna]

6. Barbara Boxer is related by marriage

Tony Rodham married Barbara Boxer's daughter.

[bahrbearian]

10. Hook, Crook and Cronyism

[-none]

12. Somehow I see some similarities...

Opps, never mind.

[tammywammy]

18. They've been divorced for 15 years. n/t

[snort]

38. I'm still friends with my ex-bro in law.

Must just be me.

[Agschmid]

11. ...

[Sky Masterson]

14. I'm with "HER"

She even has it printed on her signs.
It doesn't say She's with "US".

[Kittycat]

17. It was never about us.

Incrementalism speaks to the 1%, change speaks to 99%.

[Merryland]

21. exactly. It's insulting & obnoxious.

the peasants/serfs/indentured servants need a Mom or a "Consuela" to CARE about us? I want a president who wants to reinvent a dismal, dying, fractured system - someone like FDR for the 21st century. I think Bernie could be it, or at the very least engage US in the work needed. I don't need a Mom or a Consuela thanks.

[Kip Humphrey]

28. There is no us in Hillary.

[Fawke Em]

62. The word, "liar," is in there, though.

[apcalc]

15. She cares about me, and I about her.

[Merryland]

22. It must be a nice feeling. n/t

[bigtree]

19. assholery in Nevada

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511964684

[oasis]

49. +1

[Fawke Em]

63. Standing up for oneself isn't assholery unless you're an entitled oligarch. eom

[grossproffit]

20. Barbara Boxer slayed! She was amazing. Mess with the bull and you'll get the horns. Brava Barbara!

[Fawke Em]

64. Slayed what?

She only accomplished driving the wedge further by starting her speech admonishing Bernie supporters.

The only horns I saw were those honking to get her "now now children" missive off the stage before she could further split the party.

[Mesee]

24. Barbara Boxer and Hillary

Boxer's daughter Nicole married Hillary's brother Tony. They are related.

[Ferd Berfel]

25. Semantics

When Boxer says "Us" she's not talking about the poor, middle-class - people like most of us here. She's talking about about her 1% buddies, Wall Street, the corporate elite. They use these Orwellian twists all the time.

[Merryland]

29. Good point! n/t

[annavictorious]

26. Hillary Clinton does care about me

She was my senator. My husband is one of those FDNY 9/11 first responders who everybody celebrated and then forgot.

After months of working on the pile and at the dump, he became sick, but not the right kind of sick to qualify for the medical programs that were in place.

Because of then Senator Clinton's efforts, my husband has medical monitoring and care at one of the best hospitals in NY. His $800 a month prescription bill were reduced to $60 a month because Hillary Clinton persuaded pharmaceutical giants to provide medication at cost to first responders in the program.

People in NY who were unsure about Hillary when she first ran, overwhelmingly supported her for her second term because of the work she did to improve the lives of regular people.

People like you make me spitting mad. My husband is still alive, he has better quality of life, and my family isn't bankrupt because of Hillary Clinton's efforts. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Merryland]

27. I am glad your spouse is alive & well n/t

[annavictorious]

32. Nice try?

How magnanimously dismissive of you.

I'll say it a different way. People like you make me sick. Your abstractions don't trump my reality.

[Merryland]

34. I can't let that critique stand.

I am a Bernie supporter who is genuinely appreciative of the efforts of those brave souls who salvaged New York from the ruins of 9-11 and people like your spouse. They deserve every bit of health care & support this nation can give. If Hillary Clinton's help made his recovery possible, she did a good thing.

[annavictorious]

37. Well thank you for that

and if you meant "no text", I'm sorry that I misinterpreted. I meant no offense, and I'm sorry I preemptively put you into the "people who make me sick" category.

It was the "USA, USA" Republicans who kicked first responders to the curb after all the faux patriotism died down. They make me sick.

Hillary didn't get the UFA (FDNY union) endorsement the first time she ran because of all the negative stories about her. (My husband was a union delegate.) The UFA wound up not endorsing anyone for senate in 2000.

When Hillary ran for reelection, it was a different story in NY. She had worked hard for all her constituents. I can understand disliking her, disagreeing with her, and preferring her opponent, but I don't get the demonization. I find it grossly unfair.

We live in a pretty Republican area (Long Island), and my husband wears a Hillary button everywhere he goes. I know he's itching for a fight, and I pity the person who takes him on.

[Jennylynn]

35. N/T = No (more) Text

You owe an apology

[Merryland]

36. Hmmm...

Thanks Jennylynn - It never occurred to me the poster was offended by my n/t & took it to mean "nice try" - I guess I didn't read closely enough. I'm not offended or hurt, though, and feeling a lot more hopeful today.

[annavictorious]

40. I did think it meant

"nice try". That's why my blood boiled. Sorry.

[Merryland]

52. Hi annavictorious

No problem - I can see why the n/t would be misinterpreted & make your blood boil. I love being civilized & no offense taken. Your spouse is brave indeed.

[grossproffit]

60. I used to use eom.

[Jennylynn]

41. You're welcome Merry. People make that n/t mistake often so I know it when I see it.

After NV. I'm not feeling so hot today but I'm glad you are.

Ps, stick to eom. Everyone knows what that means. I think.

[Merryland]

53. from now on its eom! eom.

[Jennylynn]

65. ;) eom

[grossproffit]

30. Thank you to your husband for his service and to you for setting the record straight. #ImWithHer

[farleftlib]

31. Boxer says "you're booing Bernie!"

No, Barb, we're booing the rigged system. What is it with HRC and her surrogates? "you're
going to hell." or "you're not serious about Sanders, you're chasing boys." or my favorite of
them all "a vote for Bernie is a vote for Trump."

Blah blah blah. A vote for Bernie is a vote for Democracy not oligarchy, not fascism.

[NorthCarolina]

45. I didn't get that part when she said "you're booing Bernie".

How in the world did she ever happen upon that conclusion? That was not the take-away I got from watching the clip. Not even close. Is she seriously that disconnected from reality, or was she simply being too cute by half?

[farleftlib]

50. Epic fail

She might have thought if she said that they'd stop booing. In HRC world up is down, a loss
is a win, if you're not voting for HRC you're voting for Trump.

They have nothing to sell so they resort to these ridiculous false analogies and other fallacies.
I'm so glad they kept booing because she was do her best "eat-you peas-or-else" routine.

[NorthCarolina]

51. She's comes off as very

juvenile in her tactic though, in a "I know you are but what am I" sort of way. Not very becoming of a Senator I wouldn't think.

[farleftlib]

56. Yup. Juvenile and uppity at the same time.

It went over like a lead balloon. She just wants her grandson running through the
WH corridors. HRC supporters at her level have so much to gain with an HRC win
they don't give a damn how much we lose in the process.

#I'mnotwithher

#He'swithus

[NorthCarolina]

58. Hammer meets nailhead...

"HRC supporters at her level have so much to gain with an HRC win they don't give a damn how much we lose in the process"

Precisely.

[Merryland]

59. weird combination, juvenile & uppity -

You're right. And when they see that alluring dream of access slip-sliding away it must be driving them crazy!

[dana_b]

33. when she yells at ppl, putting her finger in their faces, talks down to them

yeah, that's someone who "cares". Oh, but sometimes she laughs it off after she berates them.

?

[ViseGrip]

42. maybe cuz hillary let boxer's daughter marry her brother at the white house?

[H2O Man]

43. Recommended.

[Starry Messenger]

44. Barbara Boxer righteously slayed a bunch of rancid howling assholes.

Good for her.

[Zynx]

46. This post defines the word "rabid."

Also, once you're throwing Barbara Boxer under the bus your list of allies is starting to grow very thin. Who exactly is going to be on your side when this is all said and done? It isn't the people. It isn't the long-standing advocates for progressive causes like Boxer. Who the hell is left?

[Merryland]

57. So my post is rabid?

Well, it's too late for my rabies shots. Should I bark like Hillary did in that one bizarre clip? (used, I might add, by Donald Trump in a TV ad & undoubtedly to resurface in the general)

[Fawke Em]

66. You know, legitimate criticism of someone at one event isn't throwing them under the bus.

We're all human and we all make mistakes.

I am a mother. I have to sometimes correct bad behavior my children display. It doesn't mean I'm throwing my kids under any bus, it means that I'm displeased with an action, not their whole being. And I don't hate Barbara Boxer. I just don't agree with either her choice of candidate or the way she behaved yesterday.

Boxer acted poorly on that stage. She has believed the media lies that all Bernie supporters are neophyte Millennials who don't understand the process or the consequences and talked down to half the crowd as if they were stupid. She deserved the boos she received for her bad behavior. And boos were the right choice since she's a bit too old to be sent to the corner.

[JoePhilly]

67. +1

[immoderate]

77. I'm disappointed in Barbara. I voted for her when I lived in California.

I expected she would perform better in a situation like this.

--imm

[NewImproved Deal]

54. Cares, shmares. From Goldwater Girl to Goldman Sachs...

This unpleasant woman is in it for herself...

[link:|

[NewImproved Deal]

69. Thanks! Run with it, and donate 10% to any good cause (NOT the Clinton "Foundation")...

[FlatBaroque]

70. This here is pretty in your face

[NewImproved Deal]

71. Thanks! Note that Goldwater's running-mate "Miller" was the father of Stephanie...

Another "New" Democrat and Pro-Clinton Machine radio host...

[FlatBaroque]

72. OMG!!!! I did not know that

Strange times.

[NewImproved Deal]

73. Here's his Wiki:

[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_E._Miller|

[DookDook]

79. Before this primary season I was a big Steph-Head, now, not so much.

But I have been enjoying all the music I'm listening to now that I've turned off the talk radio.

[jwirr]

74. She has never cared about me and mine. Her and Bill put

together two of the worst policies they could find to destroy us when they passed welfare reform and tough on crime bills in the 90s. NOTHING has changed.

[freemtnhermit]

76. Relation ties

Sen. Barbara Boxer was once family through marriage when Boxer's daughter married Clinton's brother, and her grandson is Clinton's nephew.

I'd say, more than a little conflict of interest here! Oh, you want a link?
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-hillary-clinton-california-endorsements-20160512-snap-htmlstory.html

[Skwmom]

78. This has always made NO sense to me. But once I read this, it makes sense. But it is bizarre.

Every biography of Hillary Clinton talks about her goodness, her high-mindedness, her rock-solid dedication to principle. Reading those books, I couldn't imagine what they meant, since Hillary is as much of a shape-shifter and a compromiser as any other politician.

When I saw her in person, however, it all made sense. It was at a Clinton Foundation event, as you mention. Everyone took their turn on the stage, praising everyone else, in the highest and most gracious forms you can imagine. There was an almost intoxicating sense in the room of the goodness and virtue of everyone present, with Hillary herself anchoring the swirl. It must be hard for someone who wasn't there to believe, but these people seemed to regard her with an idealism that was almost cult-like.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/36035-thomas-frank-bill-clinton-s-five-major-achievements-were-longstanding-gop-objectives