Assholery in Nevada Over a Lost Primary

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Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports May 13
Unity, via Bernie, for NV. "Working together respectfully and constructively..."




Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 23h23 hours ago
Sanders folks threaten to disrupt NV convention.
Reid gets Bernie to put out unity statement Friday night.
Everyone will get along today.

Megan Messerly ?@meganmesserly 21h21 hours ago
Not everyone is done registering, but that basically means Clinton has more supporters in the room, which bodes well for delegate count.

Megan Messerly ?@meganmesserly 21h21 hours ago
First credentials report: 1,245 Clinton delegates; 1,149 Sanders delegates. 373 Clinton alts, 326 Sanders alts.

Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 21h21 hours ago
Those are prelim credentials. But shows Hillary NV campaign got its act together after county convention disaster.

Jon Ralston @RalstonReports
Bernie folks vote against delegate count report. They lose. Now they are standing and booing. Unity now!

Megan Messerly ?@meganmesserly 20h20 hours ago
Bernie crowd up here protesting that recent vote. One iPad has "point of order" written on it.



Megan Messerly ?@meganmesserly 20h20 hours ago
@rlange9 says once everyone is in their seats they will discuss the rules.

Megan Messerly ?@meganmesserly 20h20 hours ago
@HillaryClinton crowd now chanting "take your seats" to the group of Bernie folks at the front of the room.

Megan Messerly ?@meganmesserly 20h20 hours ago
Group of several dozen up here. One of the Bernie people shouted that vice chair Chris Wicker is a part of the mafia



Megan Messerly ?@meganmesserly 20h20 hours ago
Temporary rules pass, per @rlange9's assessment of the voice vote. Some Bernie supporters now up front yelling at her.

Megan Messerly ?@meganmesserly 20h20 hours ago
Sanders supporters still shouting at front of the room as speaker tries to talk about the party's platform.

Megan Messerly ?@meganmesserly 20h20 hours ago
Bernie crowd at front of room shouting "this is fixed" and "no confidence."

Megan Messerly @meganmesserly
One of the Bernie delegates in the CD3 room just yelled "F— Hillary and F— the DNC" in his speech.

Laura Martin ?@LauraKMM 21h21 hours ago
Jesus, the @BernieSanders supporters at the front of the stage are screaming at and booing @ninaturner

Laura Martin ?@LauraKMM 21h21 hours ago
Sanders supporters screaming at @nvdems chairs. Getting scary

Megan Messerly ?@meganmesserly 14h14 hours ago
Now the crowd is changing "recount."




@SenSanders Demanding a recount! NV convention getting ugly pic.twitter.com/24Fg0t8V0Z — Jennie Helena (@helena_jennie) May 14, 2016

Chris Reed ?@CDReed 5h5 hours ago
This was a dirty trick tried by #berniebullies at 10:30 to try revote after out-of-towners left. #nvdemconvention

Chris Reed ?@CDReed 6h6 hours ago
#berniebullies pulling ultimate dirty trick trying to get a recount after busses took out-of-towners back to hotels. #nvdemconvention

DogLovers4Hillary ?@Donna_West 34m34 minutes ago
At convention you vote to accept the credentials committee report. There is nothing to recount. Call for recount was out of order #nvdems

Chris Reed ?@CDReed 9h9 hours ago Paradise, NV
Chair just adjourned without recount. Bernie folks throwing bottles on stage... Clark County police moving in. #nvdemconvention

Megan Messerly ?@meganmesserly 20h20 hours ago
Joan Kato, Bernie's former NV state director, asks the crowd to take a couple of steps back at the front of the room.

Megan Messerly @meganmesserly
Some perspective on Bernie supporters at the front of the room vs. in their seats.





Carissa WomanCard ?@bluelyon 21h21 hours ago
On the left, patient @HillaryClinton supporters. On right disruptive Sanders supporters. #nvdemconvention




Kristen Orthman ?@KristenOrthman 20h20 hours ago
Hillary has more delegates, therefore convention rules passed. End of story.

Hillary for Nevada ?@HillaryforNV 20h20 hours ago
Speaking now at the #NVStateConvention: Senator @BarbaraBoxer. #ImWithHer



Jason Karsh ?@jkarsh 20h20 hours ago
So this is what @SenatorBoxer walked into. And she gave as good as she got. Because she kicks ass. #nvdemconvention




Jason Karsh ?@jkarsh 21h21 hours ago
The Bernie folk are at the stage shouting "No means no" & Sen. Boxer just walked in like WTF is this. Haha. Oh, NV Dems.

Chris Reed ?@CDReed 20h20 hours ago Paradise, NV
Boxer comes on stage booed by Sanders supporters. Her response, "Keep on booing and boo yourself out of this election."

Jeff Gillan ?@jgillanNews3LV 21h21 hours ago
I grew up in Brooklyn and I'm not afraid of bullies says Sen Barbara Boxer @HillaryforNV supporter @News3LV



sandra ?@LVview 15h15 hours ago
Booing Barbara Boxer off the stage. A life long champion of women's rights. Who ARE these Bernie people? #NevadaConvention

Sady Doyle @sadydoyle
Watched this many times. Still can't believe a white guy yells "who gives a shit, bitch" at Boxer for "progressives"

backdoordraft ?@boycotkochbros 6h6 hours ago
Nina Turner made things worst in Nevada Democratic Convention after she spoke to Bernie Bots punches/kicking started




Meghan Simons @meglanker
The back of the room #TeamBernieNV #nvdemconvention



DogLovers4Hillary @Donna_West
Good. This is what happens when people don't understand nor follow the rules and decide to riot

Chris Reed ?@CDReed 9h9 hours ago Paradise, NV
Clinton campaign now telling us to get going for our safety. Bernie folks still inside facing off with police. #nvdemconvention


Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 13h13 hours ago
Final delegate count shows 20-15, Hillary, as projected after caucus.



Establishment Ben ?@crazybenghazi04 15h15 hours ago
#NevadaConvention Reminder, Hillary won Nevada by 5% on caucus day. That result will not change.

Steve Sebelius ?@SteveSebelius 11h11 hours ago
So, bottom line, and contrary to earlier reports, @HillaryClinton pretty much won Nevada.

Jon Ralston @RalstonReports
Bernie folks essentially left to complain about:
1. Switch in measly 1 or 2 delegates.
2. Hillary/party mean to them.
3. Life isn't fair.

Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 20h20 hours ago
You say you want a revolution
Well....
This ain't a revolution.
It's just noise about rules.

Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 42m42 minutes ago
NV DEMS get kicked out of Paris hotel after convention chaos.




Sady Doyle ?@sadydoyle 17h17 hours ago
"We need a medic in the front. A medic in the front."
At a goddamn Democratic convention.

from Raw Story:

The Democratic convention in Nevada turned violent on Saturday, with at least one fight breaking out, according to video posted Twitter users who were in attendance.

Tensions were high between supporters of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), the Las Vegas Sun reports. They apparently spilled over on the state convention floor.

People can be seen scuffling, and a woman says into a microphone, “We need a medic in the front, a medic in the front.”

Fight just broke out. Someone got their credentials snatched pic.twitter.com/RnDSMxaiI4
— Laura Martin (@LauraKMM) May 14, 2016


(my chronology of tweets is a bit mixed, but you can still get the picture)

[JaneyVee]

1. Bernie has a lot of wounds to heal.

[seabeyond]

54. Yes he does. Now, he decides to stand up about "savior" delusion. He sure enjoyed it for months. Nt

[enid602]

106. defeat

I don't think he's physically or emotionally able to admit defeat, even a minor one. This could be problematic.

[rusty fender]

119. You can't blame Bernie for

the apeshit behavior of the Libertarian wing of the Dem Party.

[mcar]

2. Not a good way to change minds

[Agschmid]

3. What a shit show.

[auntpurl]

159. Seriously. Unmitigated garbage fire.

[PowerToThePeople]

4. Booooooooo!

Booooooooooo!

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Amaril]

6. Assholery, indeed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511963030

[snort]

58. Perfect response

to this low life thread. Thanks.

[Amaril]

93. Interesting that the OP has no comment

on this issue, and doesn't also condemn even a single voter being disenfranchised -- whether by shenanigans, stupidity or machine error -- during the process.

Thanks for the "like"

[snort]

96. You're more than welcome.

[bigtree]

98. whatever the result of those 64-58 denied credentials, Sanders LOST Nevada on the day of the caucus

...and the results from the convention matched that result exactly.

What you're complaining about is the failure of your campaign to overturn the will of those who caucused. I think that's an unpitiable complaint, really, in response to the results yesterday.

What sort of Democratic process works to undo and reverse the results of a caucus or vote? What's the value of a campaign which works to undo the results of an election with intimidation and bullying at convention time?

[Amaril]

121. No, what I'm PISSED about

is that this has happened in state after state after state, and all your camp does is stick your fingers in your ears & sneer "you're just mad 'cause our person won".

How can you not be as PISSED as I am that even ONE person -- regardless of who they intended to vote for -- was denied their right to vote, and under what appear to be extraordinarily suspicious circumstances?

THAT is the thing that lights my goddam ass on fire. THAT is the Republican way -- "I got mine, so fuck you" -- NOT the Democrat way. This party fought and fought HARD to make sure that EVERYone's voice is heard. What the fuck has happened to us???

[bigtree]

129. your campaign isn't the only one affected by state party negligence or other irregularities

...and I'd like to see the process addressed in a comprehensive way. the problem is that states have constitutional control over how they send delegates to the convention. These issues are not only out of candidate's direct control, they are often tied up with republican state official's and state election law and procedure which isn't subject to some quick fix by the time people vote.

What you need to do is petition the state party and organize to make a difference in the process of elections in your state.

What I demur at is the suggestion that this is something which could have or should have changed the results of the Nevada caucus. The numbers weren't there for a sanders victory, with or without these folks overcoming the procedures which denied them and getting credentialed.

At the convention, more Clinton folks showed up and they were able to prevail over the vote on the rules. The credentials committee, however, is evenly split between campaigns. The results at the convention actually matched the results of the caucus. What more you want from that process isn't clear to me.

[LiberalFighter]

145. They apparently thought that by being the loudest they had the most votes.

Despite the numbers from the credentials committee saying otherwise. Even if those 64 were added back in they still wouldn't have the majority.

Also, nothing prevented the Sanders group from electing their National Delegates as only their people could vote for them. Meaning that a state delegate has to declare whether they will vote for a Sanders or a Clinton delegate ballot. They can't do both.

[Amaril]

146. What I want

is for the party to come back together and address these issues as a unified whole. Right now it appears that Sanders' supporters are the only ones raising the red flags, and they are being met with condescension and derision.

As I said in my last response, it doesn't matter which candidate someone intended to vote for, if they are shut out then democracy has failed. We, as a party, should not allow it to happen, and both candidates -- and their supporters -- should be speaking to it.

I've got to run now -- an appointment at 4:00 that I'm going to be late for if I don't get myself into the shower and dressed like now.

[LiberalFighter]

142. State after state? I don't think so.

It has only happened in only a handful of states. And more than likely NOT by the Democratic Party. That just turns out to be the easiest one for them to blame.

By the way. These events are run by rules. If there weren't any rules there would be total chaos and mob rule. Mobs are not going to get their way under these circumstances.

[baldguy]

158. And then, there's just plain stupidity

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511963758

[HumanityExperiment]

7. Think about it...

Take note of HRC and her supporters and their reaction to the NV situation....

Now take note of all their posts about pushing Bernie halting or ending his campaign...

He's taking this to DEM convention, take NV and multiple that craptastic event a thousandfold as well as national TV coverage, grab your popcorn folks... it's about to get exciting

[grossproffit]

8. Hillary won Nevada. Period.

[HumanityExperiment]

17. Think about it...

Neither candidate will have enough delegates from primaries to earn nomination, so it will come down to SDs during DEM convention...

you expect all those Bernie delegates to stay quiet?

[grossproffit]

23. When was the last time someone did going into the convention?

[HumanityExperiment]

31. 2016 will rival '68 convention...

Care to make a wager as to which will have greater protests?

[Demsrule86]

11. I don't think so

Let them make fools of themselves and their candidate in the streets...they won't be inside...three cots and a hot waiting for them.

[HumanityExperiment]

15. Think about it...

neither candidate will have enough delegates from primaries to earn nomination, so it will come down to SDs during convention...

you expect all those Bernie delegates to stay quiet?

it's good to know the 'inclusive' and 'healing' outreach HRC supporters will show the DEM party and it's members regardless of whom they support at convention will get greeted with...

[CorporatistNation]

76. FIGHT The Criminal Element With All You've Got Bernie Backers! Systemic Election Fraud Must Be

exposed and prosecuted!

People's party registrations being surreptitiously "altered" to Republican AFTER they voted in a Democratic Primary as Coffeecat Has described in other posts here and in fact happened to her... Must be investigated! Shoe us the paperwork! How curious that this just happened to occur with people who had to vote in later aspects that complete the primary process...

[brush]

115. Calm down. I caucused in Vegas. Hillary supporters outnumbered the Sanders ones then.

She won on caucus day and that result was reflected in the convention result last nigh despite attempts to overturn the will of the caucus attendees by Sanders supporters with their bullying and disruptions.

Shameful.

[HumanityExperiment]

122. 'Calm down'?...

who's not calm? I'm enjoying the ramifications of these as we head into DEM convention and as each remaining primary plays out

[Demsrule86]

9. You support this sort of behavior?

Real class Bernie supporters...seriously...please Hillary keep these people away from our convention ...we don't need bullies.

[Fawke Em]

24. It's not yours or Hillary's convention, it's ours.

And we're taking it back.

Seriously, we don't care what the bourgeois thinks.

[Generic Brad]

71. This is not the French or Communist Revolution

And if something like that is your aim, you do not deserve one whit of power.

[timmymoff]

92. We do not seek your permission

nor your acceptance. Sooner you understand this the better off you will be. Now get to selling Hillary to those who are eager to continue the status -quo

[Generic Brad]

99. Have fun storming the castle!

[timmymoff]

104. We stormed the county democratic party

out with the old in with the new.

[Generic Brad]

153. You really have not

The only thing you are occupying is is this message board

[timmymoff]

154. Sorry my friend

but like your predictions about Bernie's demise , you are wrong again. We took over committees , just not the chair ..yet. we left the infrastructure in place until we learn the important filings etc. Your ilk is being phased out in my area, I think the republicans are looking for some Hillary conservatives though.

[Generic Brad]

156. I never predicted Bernie's demise

You must have me mixed up with someone else you are trolling.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. This is going to end up with somebody getting seriously hurt. Folks have taken leave of their senses

[grossproffit]

26. This seems to be the goal of some.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. In that regard they are indistinguishable from the more unhinged Trumplicans.

[sheshe2]

74. I guess the revolution is going to be a bloody one.

Sady Doyle ?@sadydoyle 17h17 hours ago
"We need a medic in the front. A medic in the front."
At a goddamn Democratic convention.

from Raw Story:

The Democratic convention in Nevada turned violent on Saturday, with at least one fight breaking out, according to video posted Twitter users who were in attendance.


Fight just broke out. Someone got their credentials snatched pic.twitter.com/RnDSMxaiI4
— Laura Martin (@LauraKMM) May 14, 2016

[Trust Buster]

12. They are anarchists and nothing more.

[Bleacher Creature]

21. Which perfectly explains the overlap with the Paul supporters.

[Henhouse]

48. Rand supporters, Bernie Bros, Libertarians....Like peas in a pod...

Free college and legal pot unite them....Oh..and guns. Not Sanders....

[obamanut2012]

25. I think many actually ARE Anarchists

And, this is their end game. Especially after Bernie told them to knock it off and act professional.

There is a way to disagree and protest on this level without acting like this.

[Fawke Em]

33. No. We're progressives.

Y'all are siding with the oligarchs.

[Yurovsky]

107. ^^^^ this X1,000,000,000... ^^^^

The right wing of the party just wants progressives to STFU and do as they're told. Check your values and your soul at the door and bow down to your corporate masters and warlords.

Fuck that shit... I'm not waiting another 8 years for progressive issues to finally be taken off the back burner. The "I've got mine, fuck everybody else" crowd is in for a very unpleasant summer.

[FSogol]

61. They are malcontents and nothing more.

[Vattel]

148. You sound like my republican, hippie-hating granny

[Starry Messenger]

79. And washed up hippies.

[Agnosticsherbet]

128. Jury results.

On Sun May 15, 2016, 10:29 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

They are anarchists and nothing more.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1964759

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Elected Bernie delegates are NOT "anarchists and nothing more".

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun May 15, 2016, 10:43 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This doesn't rise to the level of a hide.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Disagree with alert comments, did not see where comment was made about "elected Bernie delegates", poster used a proper term.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Trust Buster]

131. They try to hide my comments all the time. They defend those that hurl obscenities at Hillary

supporters attending a rally under the guise of free speech but try to silence anything that they don't agree with. Is the right to free speech optional or can it be applied evenly ?

[Tarheel_Dem]

136. You won the jury 0-7, and the alerter doesn't get to alert again for at least 24 hrs.

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Sun May 15, 2016, 10:29 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

They are anarchists and nothing more.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1964759

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Elected Bernie delegates are NOT "anarchists and nothing more".

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun May 15, 2016, 10:43 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This doesn't rise to the level of a hide.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Disagree with alert comments, did not see where comment was made about "elected Bernie delegates", poster used a proper term.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
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Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Trust Buster]

137. Thanks but they systematically abuse the alert system.

[Tarheel_Dem]

138. I didn't know you had already been advised as I don't read or participate in this group. But alert

stalking sucks, no matter where it happens.

[apnu]

13. So Bernie supporters ignored Bernie's statement and picked a fight?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. I am concerned that at some point they will turn on him.

[apnu]

16. Me as well.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. They rejected his plea for comity.

They also rejected Nina Turner's plea for comity and she has been one of his most stalwart supporters.

[obamanut2012]

28. Oh, some will

These ultra-left Anarchists? The Randians? They will. Some already turned on Nina Turner yesterday. It's starting.

[Fawke Em]

37. No they didn't.

Howard Dean lied.

Again.



https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/731633104150921216

[Amaril]

70. This needs to be an OP

To counter all the "concern" being posted about "women" (delicate flowers that we are) being booed.

[Andy823]

42. They were never really with him in the first place

It's the same thing as the anti Obama crowd that came to DU after he was first elected, and started in bashing him. Their numbers grew, and their hate increased, and they never were for him in the first place. I really don't think most of them were even real Democrats, Liberals, or Progressives.

They were also the "anyone but Hillary" crowd, and sadly the latched on the Bernie so they could us hime to do more damage to the party. They took over the Bernie group here on DU, more of them came in and helped spew right wing talking points, and it's the same with the ones now who cause problems like the one in Nevada. They want to divide the party and take over so they can "purge" everyone that does not think like them. Karl Rove loves these guys, hell he probably is paying a lot of them to do the shit they do. What we have to remember is they don't want us to vote because they know the Democratic nominee would win. They are doing their damnedest to get people not to vote, and we can't let them win.

They are playing both sides here on DU and keeping the fighting going to help them with their agenda. Don't feed the trolls, ignore them and soon they will all go away once we have nominee.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. The Nader-Sarandon-Tim Robbins crowd was never going to vote for anybody with a D after their name.

I have my differences with Senator Sanders but I take him at his word that he won't do anything to empower Republicans.

[Armstead]

123. Nonsense....Many of us were upset with specific Obama actions and policies

It is total crap to automatically link disagreement with deliberate disruption.,

yeah there are a few trolls and descriptors...just as there are trolls and disrupters who pretend to be supporters of Obama and/or Clinton.

But to blithely equate that to opposition to, say the sacrificing of single payer health coverage or even a public option during the ACA debates, is just propaganda to keep anyone from disagreeing with the Democratic Establishment.

[auntpurl]

160. Oh, they definitely will.

That bus is going to drive harder over Bernie than it has over ANYONE else.

I almost feel sorry for him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

161. At that point it is incumbent on us to stand with him.

[auntpurl]

162. Politics makes strange bedfellows.

But you're right, it will be incumbent on Hillary supporters to defend Bernie against his own supporters, for the sake of party unity. A concept the other side doesn't seem to value at all.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

163. It is going to be brutal. He will find out who his true allies are.

[Sejon]

52. This might be hard to believe

But Bernie supporters have minds of their own and don't have to follow every proclamation he makes.

[bigtree]

56. and these are the people he's enlisted to flesh out his 'revolution'

...not very inspiring; not with Sanders as their leader, or as a following.

[Sejon]

64. It's as much "our" revolution as it is "his"

He's been clear about that all along. It's one of the things that makes him better than Hillary. Hillary always say "I", Bernie says "we".

[bigtree]

83. I agree that it's 'your' revolution

...and I wouldn't follow most of the Sanders supporters I've seen and heard from in this primary anywhere.

[Sejon]

90. Why not?

What have you got against people who are passionate about their cause?

[bigtree]

100. now you're sea-lioning

...should be an interesting stay here.

[Sejon]

102. Excuse me?

It was a simple question. What is your problem with Bernie supporters exactly?

[bigtree]

109. you're excused

[Sejon]

110. Is there any reason why I wouldn't?

You seem to be insinuating something in order to avoid having to answer a simple question.

[bigtree]

112. .

[Sejon]

113. It was a simple question

You said you wouldn't follow most of Bernie's supporters, so I asked why. It's not my fault if you can't justify it.

[bigtree]

114. .

[JonLeibowitz]

132. Sea lioning...

i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/873/279/219.png_large

[Tarc]

19. Time and time again, Sanders proves that he is a man of integrity

A shame some of his supporters ruin it for the rest of them.

[Henhouse]

20. But..but ...but

The Bernie supporters have a video, with bad audio, that proves "Hillary cheated".....

Thanks Big Tree....Once again your reality based, fact filled, post restores my sanity....

[Fawke Em]

22. I don't consider "nice" a good quality when people are trying to take the party

back from the banksters and Third Wayers.

To those of you who support the corrupt front-runner, this behavior seems like "assholery." To those of us trying to bring the power back to the people (without voting shenanigans), this behavior is called "standing up for one's self."

In short, we don't really care what you Hillary supporters think.

[Amaril]

43. +1,000,000!!! (n/t)

[Dem2]

29. Thank you for clarifying this issue

I'm tired of being lied to by Bernie agitators.

[MineralMan]

30. DFL Party conventions at all levels run on Roberts Rules of Order.

I assume it is the same in Nevada. Yelling at speakers and disrupting business is most definitely out of order.

The only way such a large body can function is to be at order during the proceedings. It looks to me as though some Sanders supporters are not familiar with how thing work and were unwilling to come to order.

The appropriate thing for the Chair to say is: "The Sergeant at Arms will remove delegates who will not come to order from the room."

It looks like nothing short of that would have restored order.

A sorry display, IMO.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. Committed revolutionaries have no need for bourgeoisie niceties like Roberts Rule Of Order.

[HumanityExperiment]

36. Visions of '68 start to smolder...

Odds on if '16 or '68 will have had more protests?

DEM convention should be quite a hoot, grab your popcorn and watch the national coverage expose the situation, should provide quite the OPTICS and narrative creation feast

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. And when violence ensues people like you will be there to hold everybody's proverbial jackets.

[HumanityExperiment]

41. people like you...

when the expectation of allowing the rules to be followed so the people can voice within those rules is shut down do we expect 'people like you' to hold the party leaders proverbial gavel from slamming down and walking off, to ADHERE to actual party rules?

If not then the recourse will be protests

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. The rules were agreed to by both parties. Don't take my word for it. I have an admitted bias.

The rules were agreed to by both parties. Don't take my word for it. I have an admitted bias. Jon Ralston, the dean of Nevada political coverage, and someone who was initially sympathetic to the Sanders cause lays it all out:

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[HumanityExperiment]

55. Optics...

Let's see who this plays out on a national convention level and see the media cover it and the narratives that play out shall we?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. At some point, well before the Convention...

At some point, well before the Convention, Senator Sanders is going to endorse Hillary Clinton and ask his supporters to follow him. Those that don't will lose the moral high ground.

[HumanityExperiment]

63. Hold tight to that perception...

you'll need it, the 'moral high ground' or as I call it this primary cycle.. ideological moral high ground is already ours...

'at some point' HRC and her supporters will come to terms with that.. most likely at convention...

care to wager on who's perception will likely come to pass?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. You mean if some renegade Sanders supporters try to steal the nomination from POC and women ?

My money is on the guy who got lumped up on the Edmund Pettus Bridge and his cohorts holding the moral high ground.

[HumanityExperiment]

72. renegades...

'a person who deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles'

Which group of supporters are you referring to again as it pertains to the ideological moral high ground within DEM party?

Who are the 'renegades' in your scenario?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. The renegades are the people who want to throw out the votes of POC and women.

If it was up to some of them they would repeal the 15th amendment, the 19th Amendment, and the Voting Rights Act if it resulted in their candidate being elected.

[HumanityExperiment]

78. Ideology...

has no color

The candidate I support doesn't fit into what you posted, which candidate are you referring to?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

82. I hope there is no candidate who wants to disregard the will of the voters...

I hope there is no candidate who wants to disregard the will of the voters, at least not one who holds himself out as a small d democrat.

[HumanityExperiment]

87. 'will of the voters'...

within the context of this OP, the only candidate that's disregarding the 'will of the voters' was DEM establishment, who does the establishment want as the nominee again, refresh my memory...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

89. The candidate who represents the will of the people is the candidate who garners the most votes.

The candidate who represents the will of the people is the candidate who garners the most votes. Surely you agree with that declaration and if you don't do you surely must agree that it is incumbent on those who want to overrule the will of the people to pick up arms to cancel out their ballots unless those so inclined don't believe they will even put up a fight.

[HumanityExperiment]

97. Corrected...

Primaries are party focused so let me correct something you posted...

"The candidate who represents the will of the party is the candidate who garners the most votes"

How can I state this? SDs... they pledged before a SINGLE primary vote BY THE PEOPLE was even cast...

So, again in the context of this OP and out thread here... my point stands

I fully expect much more of the same to occur at DEM convention with establishment shenanigans playing out

[DemocratSinceBirth]

103. In this instance the Super Delegates will be ratifying the popular vote.

They play a role similar to the Electoral College. Theoretically the Electors in any state don't have to follow the popular vote of their state and could vote for whomever they want. However they almost never do.

I would have no problem in giving Senator Sanders a proportional amount of Super Delegates. In that instance he still loses because he is behind by approximately 3,000, 000 votes.

[HumanityExperiment]

120. Sigh...

I see we will have to agree to disagree...

The history and reasoning of why SDs even exist and their function is well known to me as I'm sure they are to you...

Establishment vs the people is what I see within this primary cycle, especially when you factor in that SDs 'pledged' before a single primary vote was cast

[DemocratSinceBirth]

126. I would prefer there be no Super Delegates but that changes nothing.

Democratic voters don't need to be reminded that Hillary was campaigning for her fellow Democrats since 1972 when she and her husband were registering Mexicans in southwest Texas to vote for George McGovern.

[HumanityExperiment]

134. Reminded...

again we need to go back to the OP and ideology, you continue to steer away from that... interesting

thx for playin'

have a day!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

135. The seminal post is about a bunch of miscreants trying to overturn the popular vote and failing.

Oh. "Have a day."

[brush]

127. You need to cut the crap. I caucused in Vegas on election day. The Clinton supporters outnumbered

Sanders supporters. It was a clear as day.

I was there. It's pretty obvious you were not.

Sanders lost the Nevada vote and last night's results justly reflect that.

Calm down and deal with it.

[HumanityExperiment]

133. again with the 'calm down'?...

I'm calm, I'm enjoying the ride through convention, should be a hoot

[DemocratSinceBirth]

141. We established that ...

I'm calm, I'm enjoying the ride through convention, should be a hoot .

We established that in Post 38, remember ?

[HumanityExperiment]

144. wasn't responding to you...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1965870

[DemocratSinceBirth]

147. I was just providing a friendly reminder.

[HumanityExperiment]

149. the game...

ahh I see.. play on, this should be fun

[DemocratSinceBirth]

150. What game?

Oh, how's the experiment going?

[Demsrule86]

34. I expect

Californians will not be pleased, at the disrespect directed toward Barbara Boxer...once again Bernie supporters make Bernie look bad...this time by calling a Democratic warrior a bitch and shrieking at her.

[aspirant]

57. Boxer is a history and she knows it

Why isn't she spending every minute of her time campaigning in California for HC?

[Demsrule86]

152. She is retiring

Her last time out she beat Carly the HP Cruella Devil...how do you not know Sen. Boxer is retiring?

[bahrbearian]

39. By Hook, Crook and Cronyism

[pengu]

40. You're thieves, and we all saw the video

[bigtree]

47. how do you steal a caucus at a convention that you already won by 5%?

Remind me who won NV on Feb 20?

[Kilgore]

45. The national convention is shaping up to be a fecal fest

Buckle in,

Grab a

And some

Because it is sure to be a wild ride

[Sejon]

46. It was about the irregularities

[bigtree]

49. controversy about 64 delegates denied credentials

[aspirant]

62. Good, produce the 58 names and attribute the appropiate reasons to each one

The NV Dem Party must produce the specific facts

[bigtree]

77. the credentials committee was evenly split between candidates 3-3

...you lost.

It's over.

[aspirant]

80. Transparency, we all win

Good, produce the 58 names and attribute the appropriate reasons to each one

The NV Dem Party must produce the specific facts

[bigtree]

84. they don't need to do anything

...the NV delegate process is completed, exactly matching the results of the caucus.

[aspirant]

86. "they don't need to do anything"

then reinstate the 58.

[bigtree]

88. caucus and convention are over

...results matched the actual caucus results.

There's no reason at all to revisit any of it, and it won't be reopened. Sanders lost by 5% and Hillary won. End of story.

[aspirant]

95. "Reinstate the 58"

the story continues

[bigtree]

101. good luck with that

[aspirant]

108. Thanks

[Fawke Em]

75. This is, thankfully, now being ivestigated.

I hear a recount is scheduled, but am trying to get clarification.

Back to the shenanigan drawing board, Hill fans.

[DebDoo]

51. There's no fight in that video. Just a person collapsed on the ground. Perhaps one of the diabetics

[FlatBaroque]

53. Good Job - your service to the cause is invaluable to some.

[aikoaiko]

59. Its not nice to call Barbara Boxes an asshole.

[IamMab]

65. All they need is some "Keep your government hands off my Medicare" signs to be the Tea Party 2.0

So much angry nonsense from the supporters of Losey McLoserface.

[oasis]

66. Let the malcontents build their own party. No takeovers here.

[timmymoff]

91. The takeovrs of county parties is already happening

but I wouldn't expect you to know that.

[Mark 750]

67. To be fair - here are a some left out parts of the convention story

Being a NV state delegate there from 6am to 1130pm -here is the NV democratic party and the Clinton machine at work:

http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/nevada-democratic-convention-raw-video-videos-full-replay-sanders-delegates-election-fraud-jason-llanes-periscope-youtube/

[Ace Rothstein]

69. I voted for Bernie in the Illinois Primary and don't particularly like Hillary.

Over the last few weeks I've decided that my dislike for Bernie supporters outweighs my dislike for Hillary.

[frylock]

81. Get over it, amirite?

Where have I heard that before?

[sheshe2]

85. Dear Goddess!

Thanks bigtree, very informative Op.

[Ohioblue22]

94. The left's tea-baggers swings in to action

Watched this many times. Still can't believe a white guy yells "who gives a shit, bitch" at Boxer for "progressives

Classy . How is this any different than any tea-bagger clan rally

[apcalc]

105. SOME

White men , even so -called " progressives" are sexist assholes.....and are not really all that progressive.

[Bobbie Jo]

111. Wow

That was absolutely pathetic.

Another epic ass showing.

[hellofromreddit]

116. Hillary people in in charge, convention goes to hell, and it's Bernie's fault?

You aren't making sense.

[Sparkly]

117. WTF?!

[NewImproved Deal]

118. ..

[link:|

[BootinUp]

124. K & R

[Armstead]

125. I won't defend assholery from any quarters but....

when efforts to stifle reform become heavy handed at all levels, people's passions get strong.

It's a microcosm of what may happen on a national scale over time, unless the political system -- including the Democratic Party -- stops expecting everyone to silently acquiesce to the mandates of the Corporate Imperative and Wall St. values, and the Elites who prop them up.

[JonLeibowitz]

130. Another day, another post with lies by the Dem establishment and bigtree

NO, Sanders supporters did not turn on Turner nor did they boo her.



https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/731633104150921216

[Turin_C3PO]

139. I'll be glad when this whole fucking primary is over...

I'm looking forward to destroying Trump, the Vulgar Talking Yam. At this point I don't give a shit if the nominee is Bernie, Hillary, Biden, or my dog Mopsy.

[snort]

140. 24 recs and 139 replies.

Looks like you got yourself a real winner here.

[bigtree]

164. this isn't some remote control to a campaign

...it's an internet discussion board. Lol, smh.

I don't win a thing participating in posts and discussions here, but it's worth it to keep this political nutcase (me) from harassing his wife all day long about the latest political developments.

[AzDar]

143. Don't forget to add this classic of anti-democratic ASSHOLERY to your shameful post..

https://www.periscope.tv/_luvlei_zaynah/1OyKAnmXrkaGb


@ 11:45 You Can See The 'CHAIR' Gavel, Then FLEE...


SHAMEFUL!!

[Number23]

155. + a million. Agree completely.

[bigtree]

157. kick