Is Barbara Boxer a Corporatist or a Progressive Democrat?

[TomCADem]

I always thought that Barbara Boxer was the second most liberal senator in the Senate, but suddenly she is throwing in with Hillary?

[FarPoint]

1. Boxer is a fine Democratic Senator from California.

Enough Political Profiling folks.

[MADem]

2. Oh, she's under the BUS now, Because Bernie!

I think a lot of people in CA might take exception to her treatment by some over-eager bullies in NV.

[FarPoint]

4. I certainly hope they help end this political abuse...vote Hillary for the win.

It's time to fight the real battle.. Trump.

[CorporatistNation]

55. The "REAL" Battle IS The Battle Of The Here And NOW .. and That Battle Is To Defeat Hillary In The

Democratic Presidential Primary!

[Vinca]

3. I don't know what anyone is anymore.

None of them seem to be too fond of liberals, though, which makes it an easy decision to close the wallet this election season.

[TomCADem]

6. Exactly, Looking At Her Votes, She Has Always Been Very Liberal...

...as liberal as Bernie Sanders:

http://voteview.com/rank_orders_all_congresses.html

Of course, if you look at actual voting records, Hillary would come out as the 11th most liberal senator during her tenure, which does not seem right. I was expecting Hillary to have an overlapping voting record with fellow neocon John McCain.

[Skwmom]

15. It is what NEVER gets voted on that matters.

[TomCADem]

16. Because We Pay Members of Congress to Mime?

[pdsimdars]

59. Here's a better handle on it.

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[TomCADem]

63. All Women Are Not The Same

Just because Hillary holds a certain position, does not mean Boxer holds the same views. You might as well as say that Bernie is a corporatist, because he is male like Trump.

[Hoyt]

5. Any smart "progressive" knows that without corporations we won't have the tax revenue and jobs

to do any of the things we want -- SS, healthcare, welfare, education, etc. Sorry, a bunch of small business and trading among ourselves won't produce the jobs and tax revenue we need for any of that. We might be happier in some respects, but it would be a big change with more folks falling through the cracks. Even Scandinavian countries depend on big corporations -- of course the corporations are regulated differently and contribute more to society. That's something we should be shooting for.

[hughee99]

10. So the people who run the big corporations are the "job creators" then? n/t

[Hoyt]

19. Well, Billy Bob ain't going to create a organization that hires hundreds/thousands of people and

keeps the checks rolling, not today if ever. There are lots of small businesses, but their capacity is limited -- as is what they can do.

[hughee99]

21. If we made things easier on big corporations,

It would potentially make it easier for them to create good jobs, then, right?

[Hoyt]

23. No. We need to tax them more and incentivize them to become more socially conscious. You are wrong.

[hughee99]

29. I'm wrong? I just asked a question.

Your plan is to tax the job creators more and incentivize them to become more socially conscious. Given that most large businesses are driven by the bottom line, how do we "incentivize" them while at the same time, taxing them more?

[Lizzie Poppet]

24. They would indeed create more jobs...

...in China.

[Armstead]

30. That is EXACTLY what Sanders and many of his supporters are trying to do

of course the corporations are regulated differently and contribute more to society. That's something we should be shooting for

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Or to put it another way -- Stop giving them the tools to be so abusive and evil, and force the standards for corporate behavior to stay with the realms of acceptable balanced behavior.

That's the direction we were moving in until around 1980, when we started enabling immoral corporate ethics and a reversion to the values and policies of the Gilded Age.

Alas the elites of the Democratic Party have been participating in the swing to the right.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511954521

[cantbeserious]

7. Corporatist - She Supports HRC - One Is Known By The Company They Keep

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[TomCADem]

11. Got it. Bernie and Hillary Are Both Corporatists Then!

Like Hillary, Bernie caucuses with Democrats, registered with Democrats, and is running as a Democrat. One is known by the company they keep.

[cantbeserious]

13. Conflation In One's Mind Only

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[auntpurl]

58. Also said Hillary would be a million times better president than any Repub. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. The entire Democratic leadership here, save Governor Brown who hasn't endorsed anybody,

The entire Democratic leadership here, save Governor Brown who hasn't endorsed anybody, has endorsed Hillary Clinton. You are going to need a really big bus to run them all over.

[JonLeibowitz]

12. Fortunately many of us are not sheep and don't let ourselves be herded by "benevolent" shepherds

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. I was making an empirical observation and not a normative one.

[Sejon]

9. If you're shilling for another Corporatist

Chances are, you are one too.

[TomCADem]

14. Too true. Bernie Shilled for a Corporatist, Then He Is A Corporatist

Given that many folks dismiss Obama as a corporatist, here is Bernie on Barack Obama: "But by and large over the last seven years, on major issue after major issue, I have stood by his side."

[Sejon]

18. I wouldn't go as far as to call that shilling

And Obama is still more progressive than Hillary.

[Maedhros]

22. I see you were assigned to Disruptive Contradiction today.

I will assign you where you belong.

/ignore list.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

20. I am disappointed in her

[closeupready]

25. She's progressive, but human. I've been disappointed in

lots of people about whom I've been enthusiastic - Joe Biden, Barney Frank, even Elizabeth Warren.

I suppose Boxer's support for Hillary is equivalent to, for example, if someone openly gay were running for national office; my inclination would be, as a gay man, to reflexively support that candidate, in the absence of a really compelling reason NOT to do so.

So I think that probably explains much of Boxer's support for Hillary.

[Agnosticsherbet]

26. She has been a liberal progressive Senator for her entire career.

Compare her to Feinstein, California's other Democratic Senator.

Her choice of who to support should not be used to tar her record.

[libdem4life]

27. She used to be...back in the day. But both she and DiFi have been there

so long, that they have assimilated to the True Establishment.

[TomCADem]

28. If Boxer Is True Establishment, Why Does Bernie Vote With Her So Often?

They practically have identical voting records. Are you suggesting that Bernie is also establishment?

http://voteview.com/rank_orders_all_congresses.html

[Sparkly]

31. She's a Democrat. She's Progressive.

And suddenly she too is demonized.

I guess booing Barbara Boxer is close enough to storming the Bastille... Hurray for "revolution."

[mvd]

32. She's one of the most liberal in the party. The problem is that..

We need more like Bernie and Elizabeth Warren who want to shake up this whole system where inequality rules. She's become a little too comfortable. I am disappointed with Boxer's death penalty stance also.

[Dems to Win]

33. I'm sad to see Sen. Boxer defending the indefensible

A couple months ago, she was out there saying that bank and corporate money doesn't influence Hillary, not a problem.

It's as if the entire DC Democratic Establishment never heard of Occupy Wall Street, or the foreclosure crisis, where banks stole millions of homes from Americans via mortgage fraud while Obama and Holder stood by and watched.

Same old corporate funded Dems are not good enough anymore! We know better!

[MADem]

34. Oh come off it. If you "left the Democratic party in DISGUST" and/or moved out of your

county where you voted in the primary, you do not have a "Because Bernie" right to be a delegate or alternate.

The people who showed up at that NV caucus to support Sanders behaved disgracefully over that, and they took it out on BOXER. This was shark-jumping time for the Bernie Brigade.

Throwing Barbara Boxer, notwithstanding an ardently liberal record over DECADES of public service, under that overstuffed bus isn't going to change these facts.

If The Bernie Brigade wants to get angry at someone, they should look closer to home. Tad Devine has milked MILLIONS out of the Sanders campaign, at the expense of ground game. He's a greedy little pig who will, in the post-election analysis, be revealed to be a total con artist who wasted all those $27 donations on Simon and Garfunkle ads he charged MILLIONS for, but a middle school kid could have put together on a five year old iPad.

The money spent on ads (milions and millions, in LOSING states) should have been spent on voter outreach. Had there been a sufficiency of "ground game" (and adult supervision) maybe Sanders' team would have picked more mature delegates who didn't do stupid things like de-register from the Democratic Party because they were MAAAAD at the "Establishment, MAAAAN"--they were so eager to push their "youth" vibe that they didn't bother to ask if their delegates were planning on staying put, or moving elsewhere for the summer or longer. SMH!

They did it TO THEMSELVES.

And they unloaded (fired? Or did he quit) their Ground Game Guy in CA. They're planning on winning CA with those unsuccessful ads. Tad must have demanded cash in ADVANCE, given that the FEC has sanctioned the campaign and ordered them to repay over ten million in bad donations.

Get out your checkbooks, Sanders fans--Bernie needs money to send back to his overly generous donors (some of whom gave dozens of donations in a single day...hmmmm).

[redstateblues]

53. K&R 1,000

[DemocraticWing]

35. Barbara Boxer is good in my book. Definitely the better California Senator.

I'm not a Feinstein fan (and honestly, her actions as SF mayor should make any Democrat skeptical long before she entered the Senate) but Boxer has a great progressive record to stand on.

[LWolf]

36. She's a neo-liberal.

You know; appears socially liberal, but is a 1%er economically. "Appears" socially liberal until those social issues conflict with economic issues, of course.

[TomCADem]

37. So, Are You Saying That Bernie Voted With the 1% Almost All The Time?

You posted:

She's a neo-liberal.

You know; appears socially liberal, but is a 1%er economically. "Appears" socially liberal until those social issues conflict with economic issues, of course.

So, help me out here, what is the logical argument that you are making. In terms of voting records, Boxer and Sanders pretty much vote the same on everything. Yet, you call Barbara Boxer a 1%er. What does that make Bernie, then, since their voting records are virtually identical? If Bernie is also a neo-liberal, does that mean that neo-liberal is a good thing or bad thing?

[LWolf]

38. No. I am not.

I'm saying Barbara Boxer is a neo-liberal.

Bernie Sanders is not a neo-liberal, and I would never say that he is.

If you don't, can't, or don't want to understand the point, please don't try to put words in my mouth: "So, are you saying..."

[TomCADem]

50. How Can Boxer Be Neo-Liberal, But Not Sanders, If They Vote The Same?

I am now totally confused. For a minute, it sounded like being a neo-liberal was a good thing, since Boxer and Bernie vote the same on almost everything. Is neo-liberalism a code word for gender? If so, then I can understand that Bernie is not a neo-liberal. Bernie would then be a macho liberal.

[LWolf]

56. It sounds like you're addicted to confusion,

preferring that state to reality.

If you honestly want to clear up your confusion, look at their differences.

[mcar]

49. It's simple Tom

Anyone who supports Hillary is a neoliberal, corporate, shill sellout regardless of their record or how often Bernie voted with them.

They've been infected with Clinton cooties.

[yuiyoshida]

39. I don't get it either, she was always for

progressive causes, I guess anyone can be bought and sold these days.

[Adrahil]

41. And there we have it....

Bernie supporters have convinced themselves that anyone who doesn't agree with their choice of candidate are somehow the enemy or sold out to the enemy.

[yuiyoshida]

42. do me a favor

get off your high horse before it throws you off.

[Adrahil]

43. Only if you come down with me.

Your "anyone can be bought" remark is my point. Why can't someone be genuiniely progressive and not support Bernie without being "bought?"

[yuiyoshida]

47. I don't ride high horses

I am Asian and small, saying something about my size are you??

[2banon]

40. No, but I'm thinking she's been tapped on the shoulder for VP or other position

In all the years I've voted for her over a span of 2 1/2 decades, I would have never dreamed she could engage in such a disgusting, demeaning, offensive manner. Would never have imagined her behaving the way she did yesterday.

I'm compelled to conclude she must have been promised a position of enormous status. Perhaps VP or other.

After her courageous efforts to investigate and expose the 2004 election fraud/theft, the anti-democratic process and behavior she displayed yesterday just simply doesn't square with that person in 2004.

[CobaltBlue]

44. TomCADem—Barbara Boxer…

did what the overwhelming majority of Democratic Party officeholders—current and former—have done: sign on for the Hillary Clinton Victory Parade.

We will probably find out, at a later date, how many came to regret their decision. But, we don’t live in the future. So, it is very likely that Barbara Boxer is just going with the flow. (What she figures that to be.)

I am glad she is retiring. And I look forward to more exits from those who rep the Old Guard.

[seabeyond]

48. It couldn't be she thought Clinton a better candidate, right?

[auntpurl]

62. Of course not. Bought and paid for.

Just like all of the millions of us who voted for her. I'm still waiting for my check!

[mcar]

45. She is a liberal Senator

She is an HRC supporter.

[seabeyond]

46. All Democrats that do not support Sanders are corporatists. No gray areas here.

[Trust Buster]

51. They attack anyone who does not kiss Sander's ring. They do nothing themselves.

[coffeeAM]

52. Many people thought R. Maddow was a progressive also, but their true colors came out when a true

progressive took the party by storm!

[mooseprime]

54. Let's not be diverted by individual personalities

we're better off sticking to principles instead. Boxers done tons of good over the years, yesterday was some kind of outlier and we don't know why and might never find out. The issue remains that most all Dem primaries have been compromised in some disturbing way that gets drowned in yammering and obfuscation and then swept aside unresolved by the next news cycle. Let's keep our eye on the ball here and leave Boxer out of it

[pdsimdars]

57. Are you that blind or naive? When someone shows you who they are, BELIEVE THEM.

[Recursion]

60. Is your claim that the two are different things?

Are you actually familiar with what "corporatist" means?

[Nye Bevan]

61. Apparently she became a corporatist Third Way pro-Wall Street warmonger

the day before yesterday.