It is more important for Bernie to be president than Hillary

[AZ Progressive]

We are facing not just Trump's fascist challenge but multiple challenges in the near future:

1. Automation and the potential elimination of as many as 50% of jobs, threatening mass unemployment and putting heavy pressure on the rest of the job market (making it harder than ever to find a job)
2. Global Corporations using TPP and TTIP trade deals to get legal control of world governments to take away power from the people
3. The Syrian war and Russia's antagonism of America, creating a volatile situation that could turn into WWIII
4. Climate change and America's continued inadequate response threatening the future of younger generations.

On each of these issues, Hillary is either on the wrong side or simply untrustworthy due to her corporate connections.

1. Hillary is a corporatist and admitted conservative, likely wouldn't consider a guaranteed income.
2. Hillary was a supporter of the TPP and NAFTA and is pretty much a trusted corporatist, will likely switch back (like her husband with NAFTA) after the election
3. Hillary is a proven neocon (Iraq, Libya, Honduras) and is practically endorsed by Robert Kagan, one of the founders of PNAC. Hillary is likely to be trigger happy and combined with her track record of poor judgement, could get us into WWIII.
4. Hillary as a corporatist would not take climate change anywhere as seriously as Bernie would. Big corporations are the reason why America hasn't taken climate change as serious as possible, all the while threatening the future of life on earth.

This is all much more important than electing the first woman president or whatever incremental advantages she would have over Bernie on social issues. Bernie is the most trustable candidate for the 99% in the presidential race, will stick up for you when automation threatens your job, will stand against global corporation's attempted power grab over our government(s), will stand for peace, and will do more than anyone else for dealing with climate change (and thus you and/or your children's future because climate change threatens to destabilize the entire world in the future, with the Syrian refugee crisis being a sign of things to come.)

[cantbeserious]

1. Right On And Well Said

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[Hortensis]

8. 50% unemployment is 100% canceled profits.

Never going to happen for that reason and because long before it came to it we'd nationalize many lines of work and create our own incomes.

Sleep well tonight. For those to whom unemployment seems likely no matter what happens, definitely time to check local and on-line courses of study and get to work on some new, marketable skills.

[CorporatistNation]

28. THIS OP IS EXCEEDINGLY POINTED AND WELL DONE! WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID... FORWARD THINKING

Like BERNIE! The Preisident America wants and needs at this place in history!

[Trust Buster]

2. Thanks but no. Sanders lost the primary election. He will never be a nominee much less a president.

[AZ Progressive]

3. It's not over yet

Even if you want it to be.

[Trust Buster]

4. Oh, it's very much over for Sanders.

[AZ Progressive]

7. That has been said about Bernie since day one

[Sejon]

10. That's the primary

In the general election, everyone gets to vote, not just the hardcore Democrats, and only Bernie can reach out to the independents and the swing voters that we need.

[Trust Buster]

14. He better run as an Independent then because he was rejected by Democrats.

[Sejon]

16. You can only truly reject someone if you're well informed about what they stand for

The unfortunate reality is, a lot of Democrats only supported Hillary because they had already heard of her and not of Bernie.

[Trust Buster]

17. Just more weak excuses. She's 3 million votes and 300 delegates ahead. Sanders lost.

The losing side just looks silly playing the condescension game.

[Sejon]

19. Of course, winning is all that matters right?

Issues be damned.

[Trust Buster]

20. You win on the issues. Sanders offering free stuff to students that he couldn't deliver failed.

[Sejon]

21. Sanders was the better candidate on issues

Which is why Hillary's campaign always tried to avoid them. And what's wrong with offering "free stuff", Mitt?

[Trust Buster]

22. If he was a better candidate on the issues, he would have 3 million more votes and 300 more

delegates. He doesn't therefore he wasn't.

[Sejon]

23. Not necessarily

We have a very misinformed electorate, and a lot of people voting who don't even know what the issues are.

Otherwise, the Democrats would never lose a general election right?

[Trust Buster]

24. The old "we're smarter then you are" game does not resonate when it comes from the losing

side IMO.

[Sejon]

25. So what's your explanation for 8 years of Bush?

Were his side just smarter?

[stillwaiting]

5. She is not better on social issues either. nt

[NewImproved Deal]

6. This is the scariest part:

3. Hillary is a proven neocon (Iraq, Libya, Honduras) and is practically endorsed by Robert Kagan, one of the founders of PNAC. Hillary is likely to be trigger happy and combined with her track record of poor judgement, could get us into WWIII.

A Vote for Clinton is a Vote for the Neo-Cons--and War.

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[AZ Progressive]

9. This has got to be addressed and we all know Hillary will only continue this

[Henhouse]

15. Longest peacetime economic expansion in history thanks to WJC....

Thanks for the bar graph...I have fond memories of the Clinton Era.

http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/SOTU00/chart1.html

Longest peacetime economic expansion in history, creating over 20 million new jobs

20.4 million new jobs -- the most created by any Administration and more new jobs than were created from 1981-1992. The economy has added an average of 245,000 jobs per month, the highest of any President on record.

[senz]

11. She has NOTHING over Bernie on social issues.

Bernie is impeccable on social issues and always has been. Anything to the contrary you may have heard is dirty campaigning on the part of of his opponent.

[fun n serious]

12. The " grab bag" of votes is an excuse I don't buy.

His votes on immigration, amber alert, and mandatory sentences for pedophiles troubles me deeply.

[annavictorious]

13. This sounds like something someone is favor of a dictatorship might say.

Candidate X is more important than the voice and will of the people. The world has heard this a million times.

Thanks, but I don't need you to install a dear leader for me. I prefer voting.

[AZ Progressive]

18. I expected a more creative response...

How disappointing.

[w4rma]

26. Are you referring to the dictatorship that Hillary's Nevada committee created for themselves?

They gave themselves dictatorial powers at the Nevada convention to overrule all the motions made by all the delegates in the room.

[CorkySt.Clair]

27. ...

[seabeyond]

29. Wrong. And the people chose.

[AZ Progressive]

31. You mean Hillary and the Party's front loading and election rigging tactics?

Bernie couldn't get the attention of Democrats fast enough to be able to compete with someone with 20+ years of fame and with the total backing of the establishment.

[seabeyond]

32. Awfully dismissive of the peoples vote. Kinda Sanders MO. Insult the base, demand their vote.

[AZ Progressive]

33. I think the election rigging and the corruption is a bigger deal than that.

Perspective is everything.

[seabeyond]

34. Democrats, Obama, DOJ, Clinton have all addressed it for a hell of a lot longer and much more

aggressively, effectively, than Sanders has even considered.

This is a Democratic issue that Sanders jumped on the bandwagon. Only talks about it, does nothing while everyone else does the work.

[AZ Progressive]

35. You think Hillary will be against Citizens United now that she sees how she can benefit from it?

[seabeyond]

40. Clinton was against day one and addresses and will continue to. It worked against her. The stupid

of the Sanders accusation is that it was her supporters that were most affected.

[AZ Progressive]

45. It is because you say so!

Amazing!

[rbrnmw]

30. This type of thinking is starting to scare me as much as Trump does.

You win by voters voting for you Hillary has 3 million more voters and 300 pd's

[tritsofme]

36. Democratic voters disagreed with you. Sanders lost, Clinton won. She is the nominee.

Better luck next time. You don't get to overturn the will of the voters even if you think your candidate is really important.

[AZ Progressive]

37. You really think Bernie supporters are passive? Talk about Marie Antoinette levels of ignorance!

[tritsofme]

38. I don't know how all that is related to my post. But, the race is over because of math.

Sorry to break the news. Hillary will win by millions of votes and hundreds of pledged delegates.

[Recursion]

43. What's really funny is the phrase "Marie Antoinette levels of ignorance"

I'm willing to bet, for instance, you have never bothered to find out what her political stances were, or even whether she ever actually said "let them eat cake".

[Tarc]

39. Then it'd be important for him to , y'know, win more pledged delegates

[deepestblue]

41. So what you're saying, AZ Progressive,

Is This Race Features A Corporatist/Militarist Neo-Con vs. a Man of the People Liberal.

[ViseGrip]

42. Spot on!

[kcr]

44. So, let's say we convince people and get those jobs back.

How does it make things any better if those jobs have crappy pay and are dangerous?

This is what disappoints me so much about this whole campaign season. America abandoned labor and unions, and that is what killed our middle class. But a true leftist movement wouldn't draw a whole lot of people right now, so he had to broaden the appeal a bit. It's not enough to point out the corruption and how badly the banks behaved. It's not enough just to raise the minimum wage and talk about making college available for everyone. Those things are great. Don't get me wrong. But they don't go far enough.

I have no problem voting for Hillary if and when she wins because Bernie honestly wouldn't be all that better. Maybe he can get us more jobs. But unless we get a true, honest-to-god labor movement going in this country again, it doesn't matter much. And no one seems to be interested in that anymore. Not even the majority of Bernie supporters.

[JudyM]

46. Here, here!

[beachbumbob]

47. Lol...Not in my opinion...sanders has never worked well with others and

As we have see is morphing into a caricature of an angry old man...he can't build consensus...