2016 Postmortem
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(2,546 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)CorporatistNation
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(2,546 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I believe it's about the municipal primaries in Baltimore, not the presidential.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Sejon
(109 posts)Is not a Trump supporter.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)To bad some people just are not smart enough to get it.
To the jurors, this is not aimed at a single poster but the many that fail to understand the difference.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And nobody here supports trump, we just fail to support Hillary. BIG DIFFERENCE
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)I do not think that she cannot win. It is possible that she can. But I do not think that it is a safe roll of the dice for the Democratic Party, especially considering that Bernie Sanders would definitely win the general election.
Still, I have recommended the OP, as it focuses attention on a most important issue.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)A very rational point... Why should the Democratic Party take on the very substantial risk of a LOSS when a WIN is so readily attainable?
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)I think that Bernie would unite a large segment of the US population as the Democratic nominee. His candidacy would expose the extent and nature of the class warfare that the 1% has been engaged in since 1980.
On edit: a Clinton versus Trump contest can only create a much larger divide in America.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)H2O Man
(73,537 posts)with but a shallow level of comprehension, one need not invest more than a couple seconds to understand this concept.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)Yay Third way!
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Turin_C3PO
(13,991 posts)The choice is between a pseudo-fascist and a center-left Dem. I know who I'd choose.
senz
(11,945 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)NewImproved Deal
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CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)and "other variables" of questionable means produced many of said "numbers" to which you refer...
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Hmmmm...
GALLUP POLL: Clinton's Image Among Democrats at New Low
GALLUP
Clinton's Image Among Democrats at New Low
by Frank Newport
The degree of the depths to which Clinton has descended is evident when compared with her highest net favorable rating (+63, among Democrats) in early November. This means her current net favorable rating among her own partisans is about half of what it was at its peak last fall.
Sanders' image also has slid some since April 1, returning to where it was in early March. The drops in both candidates' images no doubt reflect the increasing volume of their criticism of one another. But Sanders' image remains much more positive than Clinton's -- 16 points higher on the net favorable scale.
From a long-range perspective, Sanders' image became more positive than Clinton's for the first time in January, and except for a period in the second half of February, has been above hers since. He reached his personal net favorable rating apogee (+63) in late March/early April, and although it's been down slightly since then, his is still the most positive rating for any candidate of either party at this point, by a large margin.
Bottom line on the Democrats at this point: Sanders clearly is the better liked of the two candidates among Democrats, as Clinton's image has suffered a significant decline in recent days.
http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/190787/clinton-image-among-democrats-new-low.aspx?g_source=ELECTION_2016&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles
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GALLUP POLL: Sanders favored over Clinton & Trump by millennial women, Blacks, Hispanics and men.
Sanders Favored by Wide Variety of Millennials
Percentages with favorable opinions of Sanders, Clinton and Trump
All millennials
Sanders: 55 % Clinton: 38 % Trump: 22 %
Men
Sanders: 53 % Clinton: 32 % Trump: 28 %
Women
Sanders: 57 % Clinton: 45 % Trump: 16 %
Whites
Sanders: 52 % Clinton: 28 % Trump: 29 %
Blacks
Sanders: 67 % Clinton: 60 % Trump: 14 %
Hispanics
Sanders: 52 % Clinton: 50 % Trump: 14 %
Conservatives
Sanders: 29 % Clinton: 26 % Trump: 36 %
Moderates
Sanders: 57 % Clinton: 37 % Trump: 22 %
Liberals
Sanders: 78 % Clinton: 51 % Trump: 9 %
No college
Sanders: 47 % Clinton: 38 % Trump: 26 %
Some college
Sanders: 57 % Clinton: 32 % Trump: 23 %
Graduated college
Sanders: 62 % Clinton: 39 % Trump: 21 %
Postgraduate work
Sanders: 65 % Clinton: 53 % Trump: 11 %
April 1-30, 2016
senz
(11,945 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Quite simple really...
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Oh wait it is Harry Reid's state where stuck deals with casinos to let workers off...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/02/20/hillary-clinton-wins-nevada-caucus-harry-reid-culinary-union-jon-ralston/80688750/
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)That has been the case this entire election. Also high irregularities helps her too, or blocking people from the convention and changing the rules. They tried to change the rules in our caucus to help Hillary in the last one where alts from any location could fill for any other in the same district. It was so she would not lose more seats. And every state is a caucus and so is the general election...we have a representative democracy. That is why Hillary did better in many states delegatewise on top of the super delegates, they divide it up to some areas to allow them to count more. Wyoming is a great example, they divided it up so he would have to have won massive amounts to take a few extra delegates.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Dems WILL WIN When The Candidate at the Top of The Ticket persuades more people to come out and vote... To Vote FOR The Candidate rather than to Vote AGAINST a candidate....
blm
(113,061 posts)including Independent Sanders voters would gravitate naturally to Trump?
I'm a Sanders voter and couldn't even imagine in a MILLION YEARS voting for Trump or even not voting.
Curious why some of you are so dug in that you post here nearly every day to further the idea that Sanders voters would even CONSIDER voting for Trump.
insta8er
(960 posts)That is why they try to make it harder for certain groups to vote....hey, I see a pattern emerging!
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)msongs
(67,405 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)In fact, open primaries gave her the bulk of her delegate lead.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Just part of The DNC Corporatist "Set Up!"
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Those states are the Confederacy and they don't count.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)But come november they will be counted for the gop
And vhess what...they will still count when those states elect.the gop candidate.
They will.just count for the republicans.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Way too early for any ties....
onenote
(42,702 posts)There have been 14 fully "open" primaries. Clinton has won 10 of them.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Whatever works for you I guess...
onenote
(42,702 posts)Three of Bernie's open primary wins came in Vermont, Michigan, and Wisconsin -- states that Democrats have consistently won during the past several election cycles. Those three states represent 29 electoral votes. His fourth open primary win, Indiana, is reliably red.
Two of Clinton's open primary wins came in Illinois and Virginia. The former is reliably blue, but Virginia is a key swing state. Together they represent 33 electoral votes.
If you consider Ohio, which is classified as a "semi-open" primary, Clinton defeated Sanders in another key swing state, one with 18 electoral votes.
And if you look at the six "semi-closed" primaries in which Independents could vote (SC, NC, MA, NH, RI, WVa), Sanders won two reliably blue states with 8 electoral votes; Clinton one one reliably blue state and one swing state representing another 25 electoral votes.
So what exactly is your point? That in primaries where independents can participate Bernie wins small states any Democrat will win and Clinton wins big states any Democrat will win AND swing states.
George II
(67,782 posts)Demsrule86
(68,566 posts)and many other open primaries...