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When EVERYONE Is Eligible To Vote...Hillary CANNOT WIN! (Original Post) CorporatistNation May 2016 OP
Think About It... CorporatistNation May 2016 #1
Yeah, I remember when I had my first beer. nt onehandle May 2016 #2
Me Too... Hillary Requires "Assistance" In Order To WIN! CorporatistNation May 2016 #4
I Question the etiology Of THIS... CorporatistNation May 2016 #22
Looks like it's about close council races. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #35
Just what we need, another Trump supporter. Trust Buster May 2016 #3
Just What We Need... Someone With Low Information On What Constitutes THIS Writer's Perspective! CorporatistNation May 2016 #5
The opposite of a Hillary supporter Sejon May 2016 #8
A Very Salient Point! CorporatistNation May 2016 #11
Very true Duckhunter935 May 2016 #28
Sorry if the truth hurts Duckhunter935 May 2016 #27
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man May 2016 #6
Thank You... You Have Clearly Demonstrated That YOU Are In FACT ...THINKING! CorporatistNation May 2016 #9
Thanks. H2O Man May 2016 #13
Exactly my feelings; I also recommended for the importance. pacalo May 2016 #32
He can't win the primary,but he can win the general? Go figure...n/t asuhornets May 2016 #46
Actually, H2O Man May 2016 #47
looks like in November we get a choice between a conservative and a conservative. timmymoff May 2016 #7
Your Point Is Solid And WELL Founded! CorporatistNation May 2016 #10
Nah... Turin_C3PO May 2016 #24
There is only one candidate worth voting for. senz May 2016 #12
And For Those Who Are Well Informed And Think For Themselves... We Know WHO That Candidate Is! CorporatistNation May 2016 #19
Do the Math... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #14
Sorry To Inform You But IT Is Not About "The Math!" Especially The Manner in Which "calculations" CorporatistNation May 2016 #17
Some Interesting Comparative Statistics... CorporatistNation May 2016 #15
Might make a good OP. senz May 2016 #21
That's why Bernie does so much better in primaries than caucuses.... oh wait. CrowCityDem May 2016 #16
When EVERYONE Can VOTE We Know Who Does Best... CorporatistNation May 2016 #18
Just look at Nebraska, when more people were allowed to vote... oh wait. CrowCityDem May 2016 #20
Oh the one in the state run by Bernie? northernsouthern May 2016 #30
Caucuses are ridiculous. But the evidence is more votes = Hillary wins, less votes = Bernie wins. CrowCityDem May 2016 #31
No the "evidence" is low turn out Hillary wins. northernsouthern May 2016 #34
Not So.... Hillary Wins When People Are "Restricted" From Voting... In A Variety of Ways... CorporatistNation May 2016 #40
Why do you believe all independent votes automatically go to Trump? Why assume Sanders voters blm May 2016 #23
If everyone can vote, and also goes out to vote...the Republicans can never win. insta8er May 2016 #25
The Candidate That Meets The Requirement Of Attracting More People to Come Out And Vote IS... CorporatistNation May 2016 #41
Exactly!! LOL insta8er May 2016 #42
in November everyone registered is eligible to vote for bernie. good luck with that one nt msongs May 2016 #26
Clinton has won more open primaries KingFlorez May 2016 #29
Mostly In States That Are Red... CorporatistNation May 2016 #37
Oh, I'm sorry KingFlorez May 2016 #39
They count during primaries SwampG8r May 2016 #45
Unless the cheating/caging continues. All polls show her losing or tied. ViseGrip May 2016 #33
Why post something that is demonstrably untrue? onenote May 2016 #36
So Most of Hillary's "Wins" Came In States That For The Most Part Are NEVER Won By A Dem In A GE! CorporatistNation May 2016 #38
And Bernie's mostly come in states any Democrat will win onenote May 2016 #43
. George II May 2016 #44
She won Ohio Demsrule86 May 2016 #48
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
28. Very true
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:46 PM
May 2016

To bad some people just are not smart enough to get it.

To the jurors, this is not aimed at a single poster but the many that fail to understand the difference.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
27. Sorry if the truth hurts
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:44 PM
May 2016

And nobody here supports trump, we just fail to support Hillary. BIG DIFFERENCE

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
6. Respectfully disagree.
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:14 PM
May 2016

I do not think that she cannot win. It is possible that she can. But I do not think that it is a safe roll of the dice for the Democratic Party, especially considering that Bernie Sanders would definitely win the general election.

Still, I have recommended the OP, as it focuses attention on a most important issue.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
9. Thank You... You Have Clearly Demonstrated That YOU Are In FACT ...THINKING!
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:17 PM
May 2016

A very rational point... Why should the Democratic Party take on the very substantial risk of a LOSS when a WIN is so readily attainable?

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
13. Thanks.
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:20 PM
May 2016

I think that Bernie would unite a large segment of the US population as the Democratic nominee. His candidacy would expose the extent and nature of the class warfare that the 1% has been engaged in since 1980.

On edit: a Clinton versus Trump contest can only create a much larger divide in America.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
47. Actually,
Sun May 15, 2016, 07:11 PM
May 2016

with but a shallow level of comprehension, one need not invest more than a couple seconds to understand this concept.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
17. Sorry To Inform You But IT Is Not About "The Math!" Especially The Manner in Which "calculations"
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:28 PM
May 2016

and "other variables" of questionable means produced many of said "numbers" to which you refer...

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
15. Some Interesting Comparative Statistics...
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:25 PM
May 2016

Hmmmm...


GALLUP POLL: Clinton's Image Among Democrats at New Low
GALLUP
Clinton's Image Among Democrats at New Low
by Frank Newport

Clinton's image has undergone ups and downs over the course of the campaign season, just as it has over her entire 25-year career in the national spotlight. Overall, however, April so far has not been kind to the former secretary of state. Her net favorable rating has descended steadily to her current low point -- in the midst of a crucial stage of the primary season, which will help determine whether she'll emerge the clear winner over Bernie Sanders before the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia this July.


The degree of the depths to which Clinton has descended is evident when compared with her highest net favorable rating (+63, among Democrats) in early November. This means her current net favorable rating among her own partisans is about half of what it was at its peak last fall.

Sanders' image also has slid some since April 1, returning to where it was in early March. The drops in both candidates' images no doubt reflect the increasing volume of their criticism of one another. But Sanders' image remains much more positive than Clinton's -- 16 points higher on the net favorable scale.

From a long-range perspective, Sanders' image became more positive than Clinton's for the first time in January, and except for a period in the second half of February, has been above hers since. He reached his personal net favorable rating apogee (+63) in late March/early April, and although it's been down slightly since then, his is still the most positive rating for any candidate of either party at this point, by a large margin.

Bottom line on the Democrats at this point: Sanders clearly is the better liked of the two candidates among Democrats, as Clinton's image has suffered a significant decline in recent days.




http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/190787/clinton-image-among-democrats-new-low.aspx?g_source=ELECTION_2016&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles
***********************************************************and.....
GALLUP POLL: Sanders favored over Clinton & Trump by millennial women, Blacks, Hispanics and men.
Sanders Favored by Wide Variety of Millennials


Percentages with favorable opinions of Sanders, Clinton and Trump

All millennials
Sanders: 55 % Clinton: 38 % Trump: 22 %

Men
Sanders: 53 % Clinton: 32 % Trump: 28 %

Women
Sanders: 57 % Clinton: 45 % Trump: 16 %

Whites
Sanders: 52 % Clinton: 28 % Trump: 29 %

Blacks
Sanders: 67 % Clinton: 60 % Trump: 14 %

Hispanics
Sanders: 52 % Clinton: 50 % Trump: 14 %

Conservatives
Sanders: 29 % Clinton: 26 % Trump: 36 %

Moderates
Sanders: 57 % Clinton: 37 % Trump: 22 %

Liberals
Sanders: 78 % Clinton: 51 % Trump: 9 %

No college
Sanders: 47 % Clinton: 38 % Trump: 26 %

Some college
Sanders: 57 % Clinton: 32 % Trump: 23 %

Graduated college
Sanders: 62 % Clinton: 39 % Trump: 21 %

Postgraduate work
Sanders: 65 % Clinton: 53 % Trump: 11 %

April 1-30, 2016
 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
34. No the "evidence" is low turn out Hillary wins.
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:20 PM
May 2016

That has been the case this entire election. Also high irregularities helps her too, or blocking people from the convention and changing the rules. They tried to change the rules in our caucus to help Hillary in the last one where alts from any location could fill for any other in the same district. It was so she would not lose more seats. And every state is a caucus and so is the general election...we have a representative democracy. That is why Hillary did better in many states delegatewise on top of the super delegates, they divide it up to some areas to allow them to count more. Wyoming is a great example, they divided it up so he would have to have won massive amounts to take a few extra delegates.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
40. Not So.... Hillary Wins When People Are "Restricted" From Voting... In A Variety of Ways...
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:47 PM
May 2016

Dems WILL WIN When The Candidate at the Top of The Ticket persuades more people to come out and vote... To Vote FOR The Candidate rather than to Vote AGAINST a candidate....

blm

(113,061 posts)
23. Why do you believe all independent votes automatically go to Trump? Why assume Sanders voters
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

including Independent Sanders voters would gravitate naturally to Trump?

I'm a Sanders voter and couldn't even imagine in a MILLION YEARS voting for Trump or even not voting.

Curious why some of you are so dug in that you post here nearly every day to further the idea that Sanders voters would even CONSIDER voting for Trump.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
25. If everyone can vote, and also goes out to vote...the Republicans can never win.
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:36 PM
May 2016

That is why they try to make it harder for certain groups to vote....hey, I see a pattern emerging!

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
41. The Candidate That Meets The Requirement Of Attracting More People to Come Out And Vote IS...
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:50 PM
May 2016
Yep... It's the guy with the white hair... Don't ... Don't

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
45. They count during primaries
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:36 PM
May 2016

But come november they will be counted for the gop
And vhess what...they will still count when those states elect.the gop candidate.
They will.just count for the republicans.

onenote

(42,702 posts)
36. Why post something that is demonstrably untrue?
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

There have been 14 fully "open" primaries. Clinton has won 10 of them.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
38. So Most of Hillary's "Wins" Came In States That For The Most Part Are NEVER Won By A Dem In A GE!
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:43 PM
May 2016

Whatever works for you I guess...

onenote

(42,702 posts)
43. And Bernie's mostly come in states any Democrat will win
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:27 PM
May 2016

Three of Bernie's open primary wins came in Vermont, Michigan, and Wisconsin -- states that Democrats have consistently won during the past several election cycles. Those three states represent 29 electoral votes. His fourth open primary win, Indiana, is reliably red.

Two of Clinton's open primary wins came in Illinois and Virginia. The former is reliably blue, but Virginia is a key swing state. Together they represent 33 electoral votes.

If you consider Ohio, which is classified as a "semi-open" primary, Clinton defeated Sanders in another key swing state, one with 18 electoral votes.

And if you look at the six "semi-closed" primaries in which Independents could vote (SC, NC, MA, NH, RI, WVa), Sanders won two reliably blue states with 8 electoral votes; Clinton one one reliably blue state and one swing state representing another 25 electoral votes.

So what exactly is your point? That in primaries where independents can participate Bernie wins small states any Democrat will win and Clinton wins big states any Democrat will win AND swing states.

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