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MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:24 PM May 2016

Robert Parry, lately of RT and Consortium News, has made a claim:

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/05/13/democrats-too-clever-by-half-on-clinton/

In an article at that link, he claims that superdelegates aligned with Hillary Clinton are having second thoughts. Yet, in the article, he doesn't name a single superdelegate to support his claim. Not one. He quoted exactly nobody who expressed such a viewpoint who is a superdelegate.

Why? Because he doesn't know any who feel that way. He may, in fact, have not even bothered to ask any of them. Instead, he puts his own opinions in the mouths of non-existent superdelegates.

Robert Parry, at one time, was an award winning journalist. That time appears to have passed. His article is not an example of excellent journalism in any way. It has no supporting evidence. It is simply his wishful thinking, written in journalistic English. Without corroboration, though, in the form of quotes from actual superdelegates, it is a total sham, not journalism of any kind.

Don't believe me? Click the link and read what he wrote.

That is not journalism. It is propaganda. Sorry Robert. You have jumped yet another shark.
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Robert Parry, lately of RT and Consortium News, has made a claim: (Original Post) MineralMan May 2016 OP
so, you actually believe that Superdelegates for Hillary would want to publicize their doubts..... virtualobserver May 2016 #1
The non-existant enemies list the Republicans like to talk up all the time? n/t SFnomad May 2016 #5
Don't be naive. virtualobserver May 2016 #9
Yawn, every politician has a list of who helps, who doesn't, who can be depended upon for support SFnomad May 2016 #11
first the list is nonexistent....then everyone has a list like that......make up your mind. virtualobserver May 2016 #12
I thought you were talking about the Clinton "murder" list ... and going back to your post SFnomad May 2016 #14
no, I wasn't... I was speaking of political danger....you can climb out of your bunker virtualobserver May 2016 #18
what a load of crap ... sure you were alluding to it, it's really pretty clear ... buh bye n/t SFnomad May 2016 #20
Ridiculous....you actually believe that I was implying that Hillary would KILL Superdelegates.... virtualobserver May 2016 #21
I don't know, but writing as though you have discussed MineralMan May 2016 #22
actually it is journalism...when people are afraid to go on the record. virtualobserver May 2016 #26
In such situations, the writer should say so. MineralMan May 2016 #27
either he is lying, or he is telling the truth....quoting serves no purpose virtualobserver May 2016 #40
Parry easily could have quoted doubting delegates with no names attached. kstewart33 May 2016 #39
Even Tweety asked the question last week, "What do we do if something happens to Hillary?" leveymg May 2016 #2
Parry didn't ask a question. He made a statement that had no support. MineralMan May 2016 #23
Reliance on anonymous sources is SOP for the NYT, WaPo, etc. leveymg May 2016 #30
When those publications do so, they acknowledge that they are doing that. MineralMan May 2016 #32
I notice that anonymous sources is becoming ever more common, as is backtracking leveymg May 2016 #33
I think that's too bad, frankly, and I dislike the use MineralMan May 2016 #34
It's a function of how powerful institutions are fencing off information that was once public sphere leveymg May 2016 #35
+1 "Free Press"=Freaking Domestic Information Operations & perception management for many years bobthedrummer May 2016 #37
They move back and forth between US election campaigns and foreign regime change operations leveymg May 2016 #38
Apparently winning primary contests annavictorious May 2016 #3
Do you not claim to be some sort of writer? Never heard of "off the record" timmymoff May 2016 #4
What did Orwell say about the Outer Party members? They are always the last to know, leveymg May 2016 #8
except Parry does not claim to be quoting anyone off the record at all. "The onlookers might sense" bettyellen May 2016 #13
He doesn't have to quote sources timmymoff May 2016 #15
Reporters will state they have sources of the record- IF THEY DO. He does not have any sources. bettyellen May 2016 #16
Yes, I am a writer, but I'm not a news or political writer. MineralMan May 2016 #24
And the BS cheerleaders are eating this up ... because, well, it's all they have SFnomad May 2016 #6
As Hillary supporters so often say.... Punkingal May 2016 #7
The superdelegates have to be careful... tokenlib May 2016 #10
Way to smear. arendt May 2016 #17
My comments were about his lack of sourcing for his MineralMan May 2016 #25
Recently, Debbie WS made a statement in a TV interview tularetom May 2016 #28
She's not a journalist, is she? MineralMan May 2016 #29
Pathetic try. nt. polly7 May 2016 #31
His only reference to superdelegates, doesn't support your claim ... GeorgeGist May 2016 #19
Ass Grab Man! nt Logical May 2016 #36
 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
1. so, you actually believe that Superdelegates for Hillary would want to publicize their doubts.....
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:29 PM
May 2016

......on the record. I'm guessing that you haven't heard about the dangers of being on the enemies list.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
11. Yawn, every politician has a list of who helps, who doesn't, who can be depended upon for support
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:40 PM
May 2016

who can't. Talk about being naïve.

On Edit:
You sounded like you were alluding to the list of people the Clintons have known who died in "mysterious circumstances" ... and going back to your post ... I stand by that characterization.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
14. I thought you were talking about the Clinton "murder" list ... and going back to your post
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:45 PM
May 2016

yeah, you were alluding to it. That list is non-existent, except in Republican wild fantasies.

Your post:

I'm guessing that you haven't heard about the dangers of being on the enemies list.
 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
18. no, I wasn't... I was speaking of political danger....you can climb out of your bunker
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:52 PM
May 2016

Tulsi Gabbard: People warned me against endorsing Sanders





 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
21. Ridiculous....you actually believe that I was implying that Hillary would KILL Superdelegates....
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:02 PM
May 2016

if they didn't support her....

The absurdity of your assertion leaves me speechless. Get a grip!

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
22. I don't know, but writing as though you have discussed
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:35 PM
May 2016

this with superdelegates is not journalism. No sources named = No facts presented.

As for "enemies lists," I have no knowledge of that, one way or another. That's not the subject of my post.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
26. actually it is journalism...when people are afraid to go on the record.
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:49 PM
May 2016

Are you questioning his journalistic integrity?
This guy is no lightweight and he has earned the right to be taken seriously.

From Wikipedia

Robert Parry (born June 24, 1949) is an American investigative journalist best known for his role in covering the Iran-Contra affair for the Associated Press (AP) and Newsweek, including breaking the Psychological Operations in Guerrilla Warfare (CIA manual provided to the Nicaraguan contras) and the CIA and Contras cocaine trafficking in the US scandal in 1985. He was awarded the George Polk Award for National Reporting in 1984 and the I.F. Stone Medal for Journalistic Independence by Harvard's Nieman Foundation in 2015. He has been the editor of Consortium News since 1995.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
27. In such situations, the writer should say so.
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:54 PM
May 2016

There are simple phrases for quoting someone off the record. No such thing occurred in Parry's article.

I take him seriously. I think he did a lousy job with this article. I explained why.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
39. Parry easily could have quoted doubting delegates with no names attached.
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:20 PM
May 2016

It happens every day in every publication outlet.

Seymour Hersh was once a great journalist. Today, no one will listen to or read him. His career has been long over because his alleged conspiracies are unbelievable.


leveymg

(36,418 posts)
2. Even Tweety asked the question last week, "What do we do if something happens to Hillary?"
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:30 PM
May 2016

Then he added, "Like her emails." He didn't get anything close to an honest, straight answer from any of the party regular hacks he was talking to, but he asked the question. What do think, MM? What happens when the FBI report finds she violated her security clearance and federal laws. What is to be done?

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
23. Parry didn't ask a question. He made a statement that had no support.
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:37 PM
May 2016

There is a difference. Truly, there is.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
30. Reliance on anonymous sources is SOP for the NYT, WaPo, etc.
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:25 PM
May 2016

Last edited Sun May 15, 2016, 04:03 PM - Edit history (1)

While I agree in principle that reliance upon anonymous sources is to be minimized as a matter of journalistic CYA and credibility, it remains an accepted and commonplace practice in journalism. You seem to be singling out Parry for a critique that more properly should be applied to the entire profession.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
32. When those publications do so, they acknowledge that they are doing that.
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:28 PM
May 2016

I give much less credence to such stories, of course. No name for a source lowers the credibility of that source. But stating that an unnamed source is being used is standard practice.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
33. I notice that anonymous sources is becoming ever more common, as is backtracking
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:46 PM
May 2016

by major papers when unnamed sources, or their agencies, refuse or are unable to provide conformation, hanging reporters out to dry. I notice this sort of thing happened last summer with some of the initial reporting that Hillary was being investigated by the FBI. The sources got cold feet -- in this case, the Bureau refused to confirm -- and, the Times had to retract. It now turns out the initial reports were correct. There never was a "security review."

It's a bigger problem than the refusal of independent journalists, such as Perry, to provide clues about who may be telling things to them.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
34. I think that's too bad, frankly, and I dislike the use
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:48 PM
May 2016

of unnamed or anonymous sources in journalism. It causes me to doubt the validity of the conclusions drawn.

But, I have nothing at all to do with what publications do.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
35. It's a function of how powerful institutions are fencing off information that was once public sphere
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:02 PM
May 2016

Disqualification for serious lapses in judgement and apparent law breaking was once considered to be mandatory for public officials and candidates. Information about their actions wasn't treated as classified, proprietary, or disclosed on a "need to know" basis. I can't recall a serious candidate being allowed to pursue the office of Presidency with this level of evidence of violation of security clearance. I can't recall anything like this has ever happened.

Meanwhile, the nominating process seems to be stuck in some sort of automatic pilot mode while it performs an agonizingly slow system diagnosis. This is dangerous.

The lack of official release of information causes distrust of all sources of information.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
37. +1 "Free Press"=Freaking Domestic Information Operations & perception management for many years
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:12 PM
May 2016

The Office of Strategic Influence and its satellites never "closed".


leveymg

(36,418 posts)
38. They move back and forth between US election campaigns and foreign regime change operations
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:16 PM
May 2016

This goes back to Nixon's plumbers and CREEP. The result is the global spoilation of elections and the discrediting of democracy.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
4. Do you not claim to be some sort of writer? Never heard of "off the record"
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:33 PM
May 2016

or in confidence? "Don't quote me but...." You have, but you have a habit of "playing dumb"

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
8. What did Orwell say about the Outer Party members? They are always the last to know,
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:38 PM
May 2016

and hold onto old prescribed truths longest until told to give them up.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
13. except Parry does not claim to be quoting anyone off the record at all. "The onlookers might sense"
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:45 PM
May 2016

....that they had made a terrible mistake but couldn’t correct it. They would be left to grit their teeth and hope that Clinton’s self-inflicted wounds, such as her private emails as Secretary of State, don’t fester and become fatal. "

He admits this is all his own imaginings. Your mistake for thinking he quoted anyone, wishful and lazy thinking.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
15. He doesn't have to quote sources
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016

and I am lazy, so lazy I won't be able to vote for president in November. Must be all the free stuff I want, but I do wish you well . Get to crackin' you have a corporatist to sell.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
16. Reporters will state they have sources of the record- IF THEY DO. He does not have any sources.
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:52 PM
May 2016

He admits he is imaging how people will feel. How you interpreted that to be a source is beyond reason.
Go on and make yourself irrelevant in November- that will teach us!

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
24. Yes, I am a writer, but I'm not a news or political writer.
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:39 PM
May 2016

I used to write articles and reviews about computer products. Now, I write small business websites. I am not a "journalist." I am a writer, but I do understand journalistic ethics. I have never used any unnamed source for anything, nor would I ever, even if the occasion arose.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
6. And the BS cheerleaders are eating this up ... because, well, it's all they have
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:36 PM
May 2016

scraping the bottom of the barrel

arendt

(5,078 posts)
17. Way to smear.
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:52 PM
May 2016

Perry founded Consortium news over 20 years ago. He, like Tom Hartmann, makes appearances on RT, because corporate news has blacklisted him.

You tell the story backwards (Lately of RT and...) in order to smear Parry with the "Russia is always evil" brush.

I have seen an upsurge in Perry bashing over the last few days.

So typical. Ignore the left. When you can't ignore it, smear it.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
25. My comments were about his lack of sourcing for his
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:40 PM
May 2016

statement. I identified him by referring to places where his writings appeared. Not everyone knows who Robert Parry is, I think.

My point remains. He provided zero evidence for his statement. Therefore, I dismiss his statement.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
28. Recently, Debbie WS made a statement in a TV interview
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:00 PM
May 2016

She said that Hillary Clinton was not the target of the FBI investigation and when asked by the interviewer how she knew that, she replied that her sources had so informed her.

The host of course asked her to reveal her sources and she not only failed to do so, she refused to do so, saying only that her understanding was that Clinton was not a target.

Do you dismiss WS's statement? She provided no source.

GeorgeGist

(25,311 posts)
19. His only reference to superdelegates, doesn't support your claim ...
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:55 PM
May 2016
Even though the vast majority of “super-delegates” – i.e., party insiders – have lined up behind Clinton and she leads in pledged delegates, Sanders continues to win primaries, including recent ones in Indiana and West Virginia, and he could roll up a series of victories in upcoming western state races.
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