2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRobert Parry, lately of RT and Consortium News, has made a claim:
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/05/13/democrats-too-clever-by-half-on-clinton/In an article at that link, he claims that superdelegates aligned with Hillary Clinton are having second thoughts. Yet, in the article, he doesn't name a single superdelegate to support his claim. Not one. He quoted exactly nobody who expressed such a viewpoint who is a superdelegate.
Why? Because he doesn't know any who feel that way. He may, in fact, have not even bothered to ask any of them. Instead, he puts his own opinions in the mouths of non-existent superdelegates.
Robert Parry, at one time, was an award winning journalist. That time appears to have passed. His article is not an example of excellent journalism in any way. It has no supporting evidence. It is simply his wishful thinking, written in journalistic English. Without corroboration, though, in the form of quotes from actual superdelegates, it is a total sham, not journalism of any kind.
Don't believe me? Click the link and read what he wrote.
That is not journalism. It is propaganda. Sorry Robert. You have jumped yet another shark.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)......on the record. I'm guessing that you haven't heard about the dangers of being on the enemies list.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)who can't. Talk about being naïve.
On Edit:
You sounded like you were alluding to the list of people the Clintons have known who died in "mysterious circumstances" ... and going back to your post ... I stand by that characterization.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)yeah, you were alluding to it. That list is non-existent, except in Republican wild fantasies.
Your post:
I'm guessing that you haven't heard about the dangers of being on the enemies list.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Tulsi Gabbard: People warned me against endorsing Sanders
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)if they didn't support her....
The absurdity of your assertion leaves me speechless. Get a grip!
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)this with superdelegates is not journalism. No sources named = No facts presented.
As for "enemies lists," I have no knowledge of that, one way or another. That's not the subject of my post.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Are you questioning his journalistic integrity?
This guy is no lightweight and he has earned the right to be taken seriously.
From Wikipedia
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)There are simple phrases for quoting someone off the record. No such thing occurred in Parry's article.
I take him seriously. I think he did a lousy job with this article. I explained why.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)It happens every day in every publication outlet.
Seymour Hersh was once a great journalist. Today, no one will listen to or read him. His career has been long over because his alleged conspiracies are unbelievable.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Then he added, "Like her emails." He didn't get anything close to an honest, straight answer from any of the party regular hacks he was talking to, but he asked the question. What do think, MM? What happens when the FBI report finds she violated her security clearance and federal laws. What is to be done?
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)There is a difference. Truly, there is.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Last edited Sun May 15, 2016, 04:03 PM - Edit history (1)
While I agree in principle that reliance upon anonymous sources is to be minimized as a matter of journalistic CYA and credibility, it remains an accepted and commonplace practice in journalism. You seem to be singling out Parry for a critique that more properly should be applied to the entire profession.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)I give much less credence to such stories, of course. No name for a source lowers the credibility of that source. But stating that an unnamed source is being used is standard practice.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)by major papers when unnamed sources, or their agencies, refuse or are unable to provide conformation, hanging reporters out to dry. I notice this sort of thing happened last summer with some of the initial reporting that Hillary was being investigated by the FBI. The sources got cold feet -- in this case, the Bureau refused to confirm -- and, the Times had to retract. It now turns out the initial reports were correct. There never was a "security review."
It's a bigger problem than the refusal of independent journalists, such as Perry, to provide clues about who may be telling things to them.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)of unnamed or anonymous sources in journalism. It causes me to doubt the validity of the conclusions drawn.
But, I have nothing at all to do with what publications do.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Disqualification for serious lapses in judgement and apparent law breaking was once considered to be mandatory for public officials and candidates. Information about their actions wasn't treated as classified, proprietary, or disclosed on a "need to know" basis. I can't recall a serious candidate being allowed to pursue the office of Presidency with this level of evidence of violation of security clearance. I can't recall anything like this has ever happened.
Meanwhile, the nominating process seems to be stuck in some sort of automatic pilot mode while it performs an agonizingly slow system diagnosis. This is dangerous.
The lack of official release of information causes distrust of all sources of information.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)The Office of Strategic Influence and its satellites never "closed".
leveymg
(36,418 posts)This goes back to Nixon's plumbers and CREEP. The result is the global spoilation of elections and the discrediting of democracy.
annavictorious
(934 posts)counts as a "coronation" in his eyes.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)or in confidence? "Don't quote me but...." You have, but you have a habit of "playing dumb"
leveymg
(36,418 posts)and hold onto old prescribed truths longest until told to give them up.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)....that they had made a terrible mistake but couldnt correct it. They would be left to grit their teeth and hope that Clintons self-inflicted wounds, such as her private emails as Secretary of State, dont fester and become fatal. "
He admits this is all his own imaginings. Your mistake for thinking he quoted anyone, wishful and lazy thinking.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)and I am lazy, so lazy I won't be able to vote for president in November. Must be all the free stuff I want, but I do wish you well . Get to crackin' you have a corporatist to sell.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)He admits he is imaging how people will feel. How you interpreted that to be a source is beyond reason.
Go on and make yourself irrelevant in November- that will teach us!
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)I used to write articles and reviews about computer products. Now, I write small business websites. I am not a "journalist." I am a writer, but I do understand journalistic ethics. I have never used any unnamed source for anything, nor would I ever, even if the occasion arose.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)scraping the bottom of the barrel
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Under the bus with Robert Parry.
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)Hillary still has the receipts.
arendt
(5,078 posts)Perry founded Consortium news over 20 years ago. He, like Tom Hartmann, makes appearances on RT, because corporate news has blacklisted him.
You tell the story backwards (Lately of RT and...) in order to smear Parry with the "Russia is always evil" brush.
I have seen an upsurge in Perry bashing over the last few days.
So typical. Ignore the left. When you can't ignore it, smear it.
MineralMan
(146,248 posts)statement. I identified him by referring to places where his writings appeared. Not everyone knows who Robert Parry is, I think.
My point remains. He provided zero evidence for his statement. Therefore, I dismiss his statement.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)She said that Hillary Clinton was not the target of the FBI investigation and when asked by the interviewer how she knew that, she replied that her sources had so informed her.
The host of course asked her to reveal her sources and she not only failed to do so, she refused to do so, saying only that her understanding was that Clinton was not a target.
Do you dismiss WS's statement? She provided no source.