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merbex

(3,123 posts)
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:55 PM May 2016

My opinion is that this drumbeat for Bernie to drop out is simply because it is

clearly evident he is poised to win CA and that would undoubtedly show the country how weak HRC really is.

She is a weak, flawed candidate. One who is under an FBI investigation involving National Security and avoidance of FOIA laws.

People in late Primary states DO NOT SEEM TO CARE that 'pundits' have called it for HRC - they:substantial numbers of Democrats and Independents( when they are ALLOWED to participate), are voting for Bernie Sanders for his message, his character and his judgment.

If there were no such thing as a 'Super Delegate', this race would be drowning out Trump completely.

Super delegates......they are helping Trump more than the fact that Bernie Sanders is staying in this race to the Convention.

No 'Super Delegates' and the focus would be 100% on the Democratic side in the press.

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My opinion is that this drumbeat for Bernie to drop out is simply because it is (Original Post) merbex May 2016 OP
And he keeps beating her in the national polls. And Trump? I'm sure he was drinking champagne jillan May 2016 #1
Latest poll has her up 14 points nationally. Gomez163 May 2016 #27
After 50 years on the West Coast, it is true that for once, the Presidency libdem4life May 2016 #2
But, but... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #3
That message has to be the worst slogan ever dreamed up and I have heard merbex May 2016 #5
Couldn't agree more. KPN May 2016 #30
Not really. Her pledged delegate lead is insurmountable. Adrahil May 2016 #4
Why? seekthetruth May 2016 #6
If you can't tell the difference, then perhaps you are beyond reasoning with. NT Adrahil May 2016 #9
2 words, no 3 words: Henry Fucking Kissinger n/t merbex May 2016 #14
BTW, I can be reasoned with, but I draw the line with Henry Fucking Kissinger n/t merbex May 2016 #15
well thn shift all of your (hillary's) resources to defeating Trump azurnoir May 2016 #7
Look at this Adrahil May 2016 #11
Awww, can't hurt her candidacy? Wait until Mr Comey gets through with her n/t merbex May 2016 #17
Ah yes, clap for the indictment fairy. NT Adrahil May 2016 #24
How does it feel to stick your head in the sand so much over HRC? n/t merbex May 2016 #25
again if Hillary's so got this why all the concern about what we're told is an outside minority azurnoir May 2016 #19
What he's accomplishing is continuing to spread his message. TDale313 May 2016 #22
I'm not actually suggesting he drop out. Adrahil May 2016 #26
It's time to clean our own house so that when we go to burn down the Republican's house we have the Ed Suspicious May 2016 #28
You make my point - he wins from here on out and all it does is show how weak she is~ merbex May 2016 #8
AGREE 100% W/ The OP! The "ESTABLISHMENT" Is SCARED SH**LESS That Bernie Keeps WINNING CorporatistNation May 2016 #10
Precarious only in the sense that it.... Adrahil May 2016 #12
The polls show a 9 point lead for Hillary in California. Arkansas Granny May 2016 #13
Recommended. H2O Man May 2016 #16
This OP proves yet again Berners have zero in the way of political instinct CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #18
Yea, I'm just a dumbass who doesn't support a candidate who is under investigation by the FBI merbex May 2016 #21
No it's because his campaign stinks and is interfering with the democratic process. ucrdem May 2016 #20
Your "understanding" bvf May 2016 #23
It is the only way they can keep alive the Grand Illusion. nt silvershadow May 2016 #29
her wall street speeches are ticking time boms + heidi cruz has them. pansypoo53219 May 2016 #31
I disagree. It's just simple intolerance. Jim Lane May 2016 #32

jillan

(39,451 posts)
1. And he keeps beating her in the national polls. And Trump? I'm sure he was drinking champagne
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:57 PM
May 2016

last nite watching the DNC continue to divide the Dem party.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
2. After 50 years on the West Coast, it is true that for once, the Presidency
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:00 PM
May 2016

could be affected by California's vote. Usually it was already decided, but we went anyway to vote for down ticket.

I believe that fact will bring out more even beyond the new Bernie folk and he will likely win. Probably not a landslide. In fact, even a close lost... California race ... would be a negative for HRC.

merbex

(3,123 posts)
5. That message has to be the worst slogan ever dreamed up and I have heard
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:06 PM
May 2016

countless numbers of her supporters say it. It is their first and last line of defence for HRC.

There is something very Un-American about it.

As for her 'resume'?

Check out James Buchanan's resume........his was pretty good too.

How'd that work out for the US?

It isn't the job title////it is what you have done in the job that counts.

Her actual record?

Failure.

KPN

(15,645 posts)
30. Couldn't agree more.
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:51 PM
May 2016

If she ends up taking it all, she will be a one-termed despite her wishes.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
4. Not really. Her pledged delegate lead is insurmountable.
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:03 PM
May 2016

Bernie's campaign is over. He and some of his supporters just refuse to acknowledge it. Bernie could win every contest from here on out. He will still come up short, most likely very short, of a majority of pledged delegates.

Some of us think that shifting all our resources onto beating Trump would be wise at this point.

Take a look at this:

http://DemRace.com/?share=UDEEk2SO

I made a prediction that he wins every remaining race by at least 20 points (EXTREMELY UNLIKELY). I have him winning Kentucky by 20 and Oregon by 40! I even have him winning CA, NJ, and DC by 20 points. Guess what? He still loses the pledged delegate count. So, even is he wins EVERY REMAINING CONTEST by 5 points more than he won WV, he still loses. Let that sink in. What is Sanders accomplishing at this point?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
7. well thn shift all of your (hillary's) resources to defeating Trump
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:07 PM
May 2016

I keep reading how Hillary's "got this", if that's really case why all the concern about Bernies supporters who we're told are not real Democrats anyway

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
11. Look at this
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:12 PM
May 2016
http://DemRace.com/?share=UDEEk2SO

I made a prediction that he wins every remaining race by at least 20 points (EXTREMELY UNLIKELY). I have him winning Kentucky by 20 and Oregon by 40! I even have him winning CA, NJ, and DC by 20 points. Guess what? He still loses the pledged delegate count. So, even is he wins EVERY REMAINING CONTEST by 5 points more than he won WV, he still loses. Let that sink in. What is Sanders accomplishing at this point

But just because she will most certainly win doesn't mean Sanders can't hurt her candidacy. He continues to campaign against her and this continues to build resentment among his more ardent supporters. It would be better if she could win a couple contests and and keep the margins narrow in those she will lose.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
19. again if Hillary's so got this why all the concern about what we're told is an outside minority
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:17 PM
May 2016

made up of not real Democrats and kidz who like rallies but don't bother voting is doing ? Let hillary's campaign get on with what has to be done for Hillary to defeat Trump, we've been being told for a couple of months that's what is going anyway

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
22. What he's accomplishing is continuing to spread his message.
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:26 PM
May 2016

And it's an important one and resonating with about half the party and many, many independents.

He should not drop out. He should continue on to the convention and beyond. Not as a third party, but helping to form a national movement to push for a more fair and equal system/society.

Too many non supporters just don't get this. It's not about him. Would it be easier with him as President? Of course. But it's about the ideas and policies and beginning to fix our rigged and broken system. Spreading that word? That's what he's accomplishing.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
26. I'm not actually suggesting he drop out.
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:36 PM
May 2016

In fact, I think staying in isn't a bad idea. But he should be directing his fire at Trump.

And if he wants to make a difference, maybe instead of trying to perpetuate his doomed campaign, he might consider starting to build a network to identify and support down-ballot candidates to actually BUILD his movement. That would be a more effective use of resources, IMO.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
28. It's time to clean our own house so that when we go to burn down the Republican's house we have the
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:41 PM
May 2016

moral authority to do so.

merbex

(3,123 posts)
8. You make my point - he wins from here on out and all it does is show how weak she is~
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:08 PM
May 2016

can't make HRC look weak now, can we? Snark.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
10. AGREE 100% W/ The OP! The "ESTABLISHMENT" Is SCARED SH**LESS That Bernie Keeps WINNING
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:10 PM
May 2016

placing Hillary who is "THEIR" CANDIDATE in an exceedingly precarious position...

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
12. Precarious only in the sense that it....
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:13 PM
May 2016

... continues to fuel dumbfuckery like we saw in NV. Show me a realistic projection at DemRace.com that shows Sanders winning the nom.

merbex

(3,123 posts)
21. Yea, I'm just a dumbass who doesn't support a candidate who is under investigation by the FBI
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:23 PM
May 2016

who is a hawk, who is BFF's with Henry Fucking Kissinger, who is a shitty campaigner with the highest unfavs I have ever seen in my life for a 'presumed' nominee.

Zero political instinct - got it.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
20. No it's because his campaign stinks and is interfering with the democratic process.
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:23 PM
May 2016

California feels the bern


And he's aware of what they're doing and he says it's "exactly appropriate":

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/sanders-condemns-disruptions-ok-with-protest-681128003895

It isn't appropriate, it isn't ethical, it isn't civil, and it isn't rational. It's just destructive.
 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
23. Your "understanding"
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:30 PM
May 2016

of the democratic process needs a check-up, if not a complete overhaul.

Why not just come out and say you think voting is undemocratic? You're pretty much there already.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
32. I disagree. It's just simple intolerance.
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:11 PM
May 2016

There's an all-too-common human tendency to be outraged at the expression of views with which one disagrees. I think the Clinton supporters are mostly operating on that basis, not on any careful calculations about what might happen in the California primary.

I happen right now to be reading a history of England. In the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, people were being beheaded for adhering to the wrong brand of Christianity, or even to the wrong brand of Protestantism. Civilization has advanced somewhat in that Clinton supporters don't want their adversaries beheaded, at least not literally, but it's the same spirit.

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