2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMy opinion is that this drumbeat for Bernie to drop out is simply because it is
clearly evident he is poised to win CA and that would undoubtedly show the country how weak HRC really is.
She is a weak, flawed candidate. One who is under an FBI investigation involving National Security and avoidance of FOIA laws.
People in late Primary states DO NOT SEEM TO CARE that 'pundits' have called it for HRC - they:substantial numbers of Democrats and Independents( when they are ALLOWED to participate), are voting for Bernie Sanders for his message, his character and his judgment.
If there were no such thing as a 'Super Delegate', this race would be drowning out Trump completely.
Super delegates......they are helping Trump more than the fact that Bernie Sanders is staying in this race to the Convention.
No 'Super Delegates' and the focus would be 100% on the Democratic side in the press.
jillan
(39,451 posts)last nite watching the DNC continue to divide the Dem party.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)could be affected by California's vote. Usually it was already decided, but we went anyway to vote for down ticket.
I believe that fact will bring out more even beyond the new Bernie folk and he will likely win. Probably not a landslide. In fact, even a close lost... California race ... would be a negative for HRC.
NewImproved Deal
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merbex
(3,123 posts)countless numbers of her supporters say it. It is their first and last line of defence for HRC.
There is something very Un-American about it.
As for her 'resume'?
Check out James Buchanan's resume........his was pretty good too.
How'd that work out for the US?
It isn't the job title////it is what you have done in the job that counts.
Her actual record?
Failure.
KPN
(15,645 posts)If she ends up taking it all, she will be a one-termed despite her wishes.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Bernie's campaign is over. He and some of his supporters just refuse to acknowledge it. Bernie could win every contest from here on out. He will still come up short, most likely very short, of a majority of pledged delegates.
Some of us think that shifting all our resources onto beating Trump would be wise at this point.
Take a look at this:
http://DemRace.com/?share=UDEEk2SO
I made a prediction that he wins every remaining race by at least 20 points (EXTREMELY UNLIKELY). I have him winning Kentucky by 20 and Oregon by 40! I even have him winning CA, NJ, and DC by 20 points. Guess what? He still loses the pledged delegate count. So, even is he wins EVERY REMAINING CONTEST by 5 points more than he won WV, he still loses. Let that sink in. What is Sanders accomplishing at this point?
With Her, you'll undoubtedly get more war.
What's the difference?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)merbex
(3,123 posts)merbex
(3,123 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I keep reading how Hillary's "got this", if that's really case why all the concern about Bernies supporters who we're told are not real Democrats anyway
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I made a prediction that he wins every remaining race by at least 20 points (EXTREMELY UNLIKELY). I have him winning Kentucky by 20 and Oregon by 40! I even have him winning CA, NJ, and DC by 20 points. Guess what? He still loses the pledged delegate count. So, even is he wins EVERY REMAINING CONTEST by 5 points more than he won WV, he still loses. Let that sink in. What is Sanders accomplishing at this point
But just because she will most certainly win doesn't mean Sanders can't hurt her candidacy. He continues to campaign against her and this continues to build resentment among his more ardent supporters. It would be better if she could win a couple contests and and keep the margins narrow in those she will lose.
merbex
(3,123 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)merbex
(3,123 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)made up of not real Democrats and kidz who like rallies but don't bother voting is doing ? Let hillary's campaign get on with what has to be done for Hillary to defeat Trump, we've been being told for a couple of months that's what is going anyway
TDale313
(7,820 posts)And it's an important one and resonating with about half the party and many, many independents.
He should not drop out. He should continue on to the convention and beyond. Not as a third party, but helping to form a national movement to push for a more fair and equal system/society.
Too many non supporters just don't get this. It's not about him. Would it be easier with him as President? Of course. But it's about the ideas and policies and beginning to fix our rigged and broken system. Spreading that word? That's what he's accomplishing.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)In fact, I think staying in isn't a bad idea. But he should be directing his fire at Trump.
And if he wants to make a difference, maybe instead of trying to perpetuate his doomed campaign, he might consider starting to build a network to identify and support down-ballot candidates to actually BUILD his movement. That would be a more effective use of resources, IMO.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)moral authority to do so.
merbex
(3,123 posts)can't make HRC look weak now, can we? Snark.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)placing Hillary who is "THEIR" CANDIDATE in an exceedingly precarious position...
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)... continues to fuel dumbfuckery like we saw in NV. Show me a realistic projection at DemRace.com that shows Sanders winning the nom.
Arkansas Granny
(31,516 posts)I doubt that is going to change much before June 7.
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)I agree that California is a big factor.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)merbex
(3,123 posts)who is a hawk, who is BFF's with Henry Fucking Kissinger, who is a shitty campaigner with the highest unfavs I have ever seen in my life for a 'presumed' nominee.
Zero political instinct - got it.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)California feels the bern
And he's aware of what they're doing and he says it's "exactly appropriate":
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/sanders-condemns-disruptions-ok-with-protest-681128003895
It isn't appropriate, it isn't ethical, it isn't civil, and it isn't rational. It's just destructive.
bvf
(6,604 posts)of the democratic process needs a check-up, if not a complete overhaul.
Why not just come out and say you think voting is undemocratic? You're pretty much there already.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,976 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)There's an all-too-common human tendency to be outraged at the expression of views with which one disagrees. I think the Clinton supporters are mostly operating on that basis, not on any careful calculations about what might happen in the California primary.
I happen right now to be reading a history of England. In the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, people were being beheaded for adhering to the wrong brand of Christianity, or even to the wrong brand of Protestantism. Civilization has advanced somewhat in that Clinton supporters don't want their adversaries beheaded, at least not literally, but it's the same spirit.