Say it Hillary supporters. You don't think Americans deserve economic security...

[AZ Progressive]

You believe in economic stratification, heirarchies, and that some people deserve to live and have good lives whereas other people deserve to suffer just because they "didn't work hard enough to get a good education and rise up the economic ladder, and probably made a bunch of poor economic decisions." You would stick your middle finger to the idea of economic equality if you could.

[BillZBubb]

1. Most of them won't admit that, but a few will.

Talk to them and they all tell you how liberal they are. Ask them about specific liberal initiatives and they become not so liberal after all. They are "for the general idea" but darn it we just can't do that right now. They've swallowed the corporate Kool Aid without even being aware.

[CrowCityDem]

7. Being liberal doesn't mean checking reality at the door.

Certain things are politically untenable right now. That's a fact.

On other issues, maybe you Ned to learn that Bernie's way isn't the only one.

[Armstead]

21. Politically untenable because affluent Democrats say they are

[CrowCityDem]

38. No, because there aren't enough votes, or the public appetite.

[Armstead]

41. There is no proof there is no public appetite....

Just what the defenders of the status quo have decided, as a way to stifle meaningful reform.

Been doing it for 35 years. Started with the Republicans, but the Democratic big wigs decided to parrot it.

NOTHING is attainable without an effort.

[Adrahil]

74. The proof is pretty straight forward....

Despite opinion polls, the fact is that the people who show up to VOTE, especially in off year elections, are putting way too many Republicans in the Congress.

[w4rma]

132. Look at Bernie Sanders's popularity. He hasn't had to lie to the public, at all. He is running on

economic issues. The problem is that very wealthy Democrats are smearing him to keep him out of the general election and from winning the general election.

[Adrahil]

143. Your assertion has nothing at all to do with the point I made. NT

[JDPriestly]

127. There aren't enough votes because until Bernie started to run,

no one in the upper echelons or leadership of the Democratic Party talked much if at all about economic inequality. Yet economic inequality is everywhere. In the beer cans strewn on the lawns of the just-barely-making-it-and-working-50-hours-a-week guys in the Middle West and the homeless on the streets of Los Angeles and San Francisco to the mansions of Miami and the coast of California, you can see the economic disparity. It is unsustainable. It is a festering sore on the spine of America. Bernie is the only one to draw adequate attention to it.

The public appetite for doing something about it has been growing since John Edwards drew attention to the closed factories in 2008, since the Occupy movement drew attention to the bail-out of the banks and the selling out of ordinary Americans in 2011 and since the beginning of the Bernie campaign.

The public appetite for doing something about wages and income disparity, about the cost of healthcare insurance, about the security of Social Security, about violence in our society, about our expensive military, about our expensive colleges, about our poor schools, about the homeless, etc. is growing and will become a force to reckon with. Just wait. This is a grass-roots movement.

The very wealthy could do something to end the movement if they wished. We shall see whether they develop the sense of history and of right and wrong to step up to the plate.

There should not be one homeless person in the United States. Not one. Not as long as we spend what we do on military hardware and personnel.

[AZ Progressive]

22. So basically: "Your suffering economically? Tough, there's more important issues out there to deal

with"...

[CrowCityDem]

36. And how does that jive with "Bernie or bust"?

[RufusTFirefly]

78. Pssst! The word is "jibe," not "jive."

You'll thank me if you ever wind up talking to someone's who's literate.

[puffy socks]

106. How old are you ?

Jive is a popular word from the 70s
Jive Talkin'
Means youre talking bull.

[lumberjack_jeff]

67. Ask yourself what must change to make these things politically tenable.

If the answer is you, return your liberal card.

[CrowCityDem]

87. 1. Majority support. 2. Smarter plans than Bernie's hack jobs.

[roguevalley]

125. you get the world you accept and I dont

Accept bs that says things aren't right yet, time etc. Tell that shit to a hungry homeless child. I will work to help the only one who sees them and it isn't her. Fuck anyone who votes with their wallet.

[jwirr]

59. That is like being for women's rights and against welfare.

[beachbumbob]

2. There are winners and losers...that is life...not saying that the system can't

be made better...but their is NO chance with conservatives calling the shots...

[JaneyVee]

118. The Bernie Or Bust crowd doesnt actually care.

[w4rma]

133. No, it's the ignore Hillary's endless scandals crowd that doesn't actually care. (nt)

[AZ Progressive]

120. You've guys played this "good cop, bad cop" game for a long time and don't expect consequences?

[StayFrosty]

3. The problem

With you Bernie supporters is that you fail to realize that whoever the Democratic nominee is... They will have to work with Republicans and compromise.

Yall think Bernie has a magic wand that will magically give everyone free college and a 15 dollar minimum wage

[BillZBubb]

18. You don't understand the problem

No one thinks Bernie will immediately get the things he is talking about. Everyone knows the republicans will block it. What Bernie will do is fight from day one to get those things passed into law. He won't be sidetracked or just give up. He is confident, as are his supporters, that over time it is a winning argument. It will differentiate the Democrats from the republicans (the exact opposite of the Third Way strategy). It will grow the party and strengthen us in midterm elections.

A majority of the people want what Bernie is proposing. If we fight for it, we will start whittling away at the republican power. The key is to be seen fighting for what you believe in and making the case and sticking to it.

[Sejon]

29. How would it be any different for Hillary?

Free college and a $15 minimum wage doesn't need a magic wand either.

[jwirr]

63. For almost 8 years now we have watched President Obama

negotiate by first offering to cut such things as food stamps etc. What we want is a negotiator who will start at the top and work down instead of giving away the bottom before even starting to negotiate.

Hillary starts the negotiation by saying "We cannot do it." Bernie starts with a list of items we want and fights for them. He may not get them but at least we know he is fighting for them not donating them to the opposition.

No one is unaware that we are going to have to deal with the Rs. What we understand is that we all need to work together to get them to agree. We are not expecting great change over night - we are expecting to have to work for that change - not just say "We cannot do it."

[lumberjack_jeff]

69. No one has yet explained to me why Clinton would be better.

As best I can figure, we want Hillary because she won't get your hopes up. Is that it?

[BillZBubb]

86. "we want Hillary because she won't get your hopes up"

I love that line!

[w4rma]

134. Vote Hillary: Hopeless. The exact opposite of Obama's slogan. (nt)

[loyalsister]

137. A presidency built on low expectations, maybe

Electing her would be an embarrassment since she seems to be setting herself up to be measured a success only for getting elected.

[uponit7771]

108. no.. no, Sanders said the "collective energy" of voters would change the minds of congress...

... cause that's worked the last couple of times

[NewImproved Deal]

4. Yep. The Clinton Machine's "Rainbow Oligarchy" marks a total betrayal of Democratic...

...economic principles. The Party is now dominated by greedy, vicious, amoral Yuppies.

[link:|

[brentspeak]

23. "Amoral" is an apt word, in this context

These are alleged Democrats who have "gotten theirs" but don't give a damn about anyone else. I know some Republicans who actually are more concerned about the declining economic fortunes of their fellow American citizens than do these contemptible effete latte liberals.

[gaspee]

44. Are you kidding me?

I work 3 jobs and am the farthest thing from a "contemptible effete latte liberal" there is.

I havent been responding to this crap because I know it's almost over, but this post of yours is utter bullshit. Not to mention homophobic.

[SwampG8r]

88. Could you point out the "homophobic" part of that post

Because i dont see it. I do see someone throwing out phrases trying to stifle.discussion but i dont see anything " homophobic" .

[NanceGreggs]

45. I'd say a striking example ...

... of people "who've got theirs and don't care about anyone else" would be those who would rather risk a Trump presidency than vote for Hillary in the GE.

It's pretty much an attitude of "I know how bad a Trump administration would be, how it would work to undo the progress Democrats have made over the years, the middle class would suffer and the poor would be decimated - but tough shit."

[bvar22]

72. The 3rd Way Conservative Democrats are doing a good enough job undoing...

...the progress we have made since the New Deal.
Just ask Bill "The Era of Big Government is OVER" Clinton,
and President Obama who put Social Security Cuts On-the-Table.

Rep. Conyers: Obama Demanded Social Security Cuts--Not GOP

"We've got to educate the American people at the same time we educate the President of the United States. The Republicans, Speaker Boehner or Majority Leader Cantor DID NOT call for Social Security cuts in the budget deal. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES CALLED FOR THAT," declared US Representative John Conyers in a press conference held by members of the House "Out of Poverty' Caucus on 07/27/11."

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Rep-Conyers-Obama-Demand-by-Jeanine-Molloff-110729-352.html

[snowy owl]

129. A good teaching post. Thanks. But notice no one seems to care. Loyalty trumps common sense.

[Hoyt]

142. And, yet, there was no cut.

[w4rma]

135. Silver lining: With a Trump Presidency, Democrats have a good shot at winning Congress in 2 years.

Clinton's neoliberals are blowing our chance to win Congress this year.

And maybe Trump, being the wildcard that he is, will try to pass something positive that no establishment politician would touch.

[JonLeibowitz]

111. "Rainbow Oligarchy" -- A perfect encapsulation of what I have been feeling for months

If you don't mind, I do believe I will use that in the future! Thanks!

[NewImproved Deal]

121. Gladly, Mr, Stewart!

We miss your nightly gig--the new guy sucks...

[JonLeibowitz]

123. Agreed! LOL.

[Baobab]

5. Its not personal. Neoliberalism has winners and losers. It channels money to the winners.

Since they already have made lots of money, it helps them make more.

Americans were told that they didn't need an advanced education to get ahead, but that was a lie to keep taxes down.

Americans make too much in the neoliberal viewpoint. It would rather use their jobs as bargaining chips to pay off the developing world for looting their raw materials. They have been promised to them for 20 years.

Again its not personal.

Americans, when are you leaving? You have to be out by the fifteenth.

[CrowCityDem]

6. I don't believe...

My way is the only way. I don't believe anyone who disagrees with me is evil, or not worthy of being treated as a human being.

If you want to put false words in people's mouths, start by filling your own.

[Cheese Sandwich]

8. Every person has the right to rise to their God-given potential - Hillary Clinton

Ladders of opportunity for all to get ahead.

Something like that.

A completely impossible myth of course. Fools a lot of people though. Sounds good in theory. Never works in practice.

[corkhead]

19. She doesn't mention the part where they pull the ladder up behind them.

[Adrahil]

83. Never?

I grew up in a lower-middle-class family racked by debt. I got into college on a scholarship, graduated with an engineering degree, and am now in the top 5%.

I'm not going to say anybody can do it. And I benefited from a government schlarship. But it DOES happen.

[Cheese Sandwich]

89. Never. It always results in a bunch of people living in alleys and eating out of trashcans

[snowy owl]

130. Using the exception to prove the rule...so disingenuous. But it makes you feel better.

[BootinUp]

9. Its not clear to me what you are for and what I should be against. nt

[NCTraveler]

10. Why should I say it...

When you do so well speaking for millions of people on your own.

That list will soon contain Sanders name as well.

[CorkySt.Clair]

11. Damn you figured me out!

[Corporate666]

12. Why do you measure someone's worth only in terms of money? Why do you devalue humanity?

It seems your measure of a person is financial, and it seems that you only care about someone's financial well being. Is money all that matters to you?

Is someone who CHOOSES to stay at home to raise a family less of a person? Is building a successful family not a worthy goal? Is building one's intellect not a worthy goal? Is helping the community or the elderly or the sick not a worthwhile life?

Why is it all about money in your post?


What's wrong with someone choosing to focus on financial success, or social success, or intellectual success, or family success? Should we guarantee results there too? If someone chooses to pursue financial success but has a hard time with social success or family success, should we try to legislate that they get the same outcome? Should a guy who is a bully to women or who eats and doesn't mind being 500lbs deserve a beautiful, devoted and loyal wife?


It seems you see everyone in terms of money - that's not very healthy. And it devalues people's humanity.

[AZ Progressive]

20. Don't ask me, ask the capitalist system that determines this

and your all in favor of it.

[Corporate666]

94. Non sequitor

So are you saying a great artist is worthless? Or someone who gives their life to save another is a worthless person? Or a great intellectual is worthless?

Financial success is ONE kind of success, but it's separate from the other things listed above. It seems you only care about financial success. Why devalue the other things as irrelevant? What if someone isn't in love with money but helps out the homeless or injured animals? They are worthless in your eyes? Or are you saying anyone who isn't financially successful is worthless?

[BillZBubb]

24. The old corporatist dodge! Excellent.

Pay no attention the shrinking middle class, the growing rolls of the poor. It's their CHOICE! There are happy being poor and seeing their opportunities shrink. It's their humanity that matters. Let them eat cake!

The rich are rich because of the excellent choices they made! The worked harder! They wanted it more! They are the makers! The job creators!

There is a class war going on in this country and you are backing the takers. You must be so proud.

[Corporate666]

95. You missed the point big time

Why do you seem so in love with money? It seems that cold, hard cash is the only measure of worth to you. Why?

A great poet is worthless unless they become rich from it? What about non-capitalist endeavors, like helping the homeless? Are you saying someone who could earn lots of money but who chooses to help the homeless is worthless?

Why do you focus on someone's finances as the only measure of their worth? What's wrong with being a great thinker that uses their gift to teach inner city youth? Or being a great humanitarian who uses their skills to raise well rounded children? Why do you write those people off as failures?

Do we NEED a 3000sq-ft house, a Mercedes, a six-figure salary and seven-figure net worth to be considered successful to you?

[Zynx]

13. That's... not remotely the case. There is disagreement about how best to provide economic security.

The basic liberal value is equality and I'm wholly committed to that as is every Hillary supporter I know.

That you would just lose your damn mind and write such a thing says a lot about you and not much about Hillary supporters.

If you would actually look at Hillary as she truly is rather than this monstrous parody you and other Sanders supporters have created, maybe you would feel differently.

[BillZBubb]

30. Right back at you on looking at Hillary as she truly is...

She's nothing close to the Saint Hillary you've made her out to be. She's a corporate money grubber who has supported some of the worst legislation against the poor and middle classes. There is no parody in how I see her, it is all backed by her actions.

What has she ever accomplished in government that was a big benefit to the poor?

[Zynx]

32. She opposed all of Bush's supply-side policies. Perhaps you've forgotten that.

I bet you assume she voted for his giveaways to the rich.

I don't pretend she's a saint. I think people do actually portray Bernie in such a way.

[BillZBubb]

33. So did virtually every Democrat. That's not exactly a boon to the poor.

I asked what specifically SHE did to make life better for the poor.

[Zynx]

37. When she was in office, the Democrats were usually in the minority. It was mainly about opposing

damaging policies. It's also relevant to your incorrect charge that her policies favor the rich. They don't, no have they ever. You've created a record that isn't accurate. Also, quite a number of Dems voted for those tax cuts in 2001: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00170

Once they took the majority, she supported the minimum wage increase in 2007.

[ablamj]

138. "Once they took the majority she supported..."

So she was against a minimum wage increase before that?

[corkhead]

14. .

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. That photo is a classic

and there is something else about that photo that applies today

[Broward]

15. It's representative of right-way thinking. This Party has been overrun by conservatives.

[JaneyVee]

16. Bernie's magic wand will fix all!

[CreekDog]

25. I think all Americans deserve economic security

I think all people deserve economic security.

There, I said what I believe.

[BillZBubb]

31. But you'll vote for Hillary because we just can't do those things now!

[CreekDog]

39. I'll vote for Hillary because she's the better candidate

the better candidate to advance economic security for all.

and the better candidate in a host of other respects.

i don't think Bernie's agenda is fully cooked, nor is he trying to elect a congress to help him get it done.

[AZ Progressive]

54. Yep, because she'll make sure that the top 20% won't sink below to the level of "the common people"

That's probably your idea of economic security.

[CreekDog]

122. Apparently you don't understand the word "everyone"

is telling me what I think supposed to convince me who to fill out my vote by mail ballot, which is right here on my desk as we speak?

[Adrahil]

66. I'll vote for Hillary because...

I think she has the best plan to advance our cause.

[BillZBubb]

77. Your cause maybe, not mine.

The Third Way advances the 1%'s cause.

[Adrahil]

84. That's your "opinion" NT

[seabeyond]

26. Clinton will give it, not Sanders. The point is, Clinton has better policies than Sanders.

[Sejon]

34. Nobody even knows what her policies are she "evolves" that often

Sanders was always the stronger candidate on the issues.

[MrsKirkley]

40. How are free trade and for profit health insurance better?

How does free trade that sends jobs overseas and for profit health insurance with outrageous deductibles equal economic security?

[Trust Buster]

28. So that's what they're repackaging socialism to be these days.....LOL

[gaspee]

42. are you crazy?

Seriously - it's the only explanation I can find for this post and belief.

[AZ Progressive]

47. Not me of course, Hillary supporters

[gaspee]

50. Get help

you need it

[AZ Progressive]

53. "I'll offer anybody here fifty dollars an hour if you'll go pick lettuce in Yuma this season"

As out of touch as McCain...

[JoePhilly]

56. Apparently he's psychic.

He knows what everyone else thinks.

[AZ Progressive]

64. Well, I did read a really insightful article...

http://billmoyers.com/story/author-thomas-frank-talks-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-and-his-new-book-listen-liberal/

What I decided after researching this problem and reading a lot of the sociological literature on professionalism is that there’s basically two hierarchies in America. One is the hierarchy of money and big business and that’s really where the Republicans are at: the one percent, the Koch brothers, that sort of thing. The hierarchy of status is a different one. The professionals are the apex of that hierarchy. And these two hierarchies live side by side. They share a lot of the same assumptions about the world and a lot of the same attitudes, but they also differ in important ways. So I’m not one of these people who says the Democrats and the Republicans are the same. I don’t think they are. But there are sometimes similarities between these two groups.

Among other things, professionals tend to be very liberal on essentially any issue other than workplaces issues. So on every matter of cultural issues, culture war issues, all the things that have been so prominent in the past, they can be very liberal. On economic questions, however, they tend not to be. (dishes clattering) They tend to be much more conservative. And their attitudes towards working-class people in general and organized labor specifically is very contemptuous.

Seeing the attitude of Hillary supporters as well as the dodging of economic issues by much of the professional Democrats just solidified this idea.

[JoePhilly]

70. And what research is that based on?

What you are doing is taking someone's rather limited view, and highly simplistic perspective, and then applying it to all Clinton supporters claiming you know what they think.

I might as well write an OP and claim that all Bernie supporters are anarchists. Because I can make the case that some of them might be.

This is the simplistic world some Bernie folks are in. There is no nuance, no complexity.

Honestly, it reminds me of the Tea Party. Same black and white world view.

[AZ Progressive]

76. And I guess your going to try to convince me that corporatism and the power grab by the 1% is all...

in my mind? Tell that to other Bernie supporters!

I didn't say that that was the only source for the idea, but seeing the callousness of Hillary supporters does heavily reinforce it.

BTW the Author is not some joe schmoe, He's a published Historian and also is a part of the professional class, having a Ph.D in History, so he would know a thing or two about other members of his own class.

[JoePhilly]

80. I'm not the one writing silly OPs trying to convience anyone of anything.

You should stick to trying to speak for Bernie supporters.

You clearly know nothing about what Hillary supporters think or feel.

[AZ Progressive]

82. Unfortunately for you, this thread is further exposing the aloofness and callousness

of Hillary supporters, as shown in their own responses.

[kstewart33]

43. Have we met?

You must have me confused with someone else. A Trump supporter?

[AZ Progressive]

49. Is that the best you can do?

I would suspect that some Hillary supporters here are in fact Trump supporters or just Republicans because they just seem to want to antagonize Bernie supporters to the point of not voting for Hillary if she makes it to the GE.

[kstewart33]

52. Now come on, AZ.

A Republican or Trump supporter? I've been a member of the DU community since 2001.

And you?

[Starry Messenger]

46. Fucking stupid is fucking stupid.

[polly7]

48. Those satisfied with the status quo and doing well themselves don't give a *

about fellow citizens who are suffering ............ as well as those in the rest of the world affected by the quest for more and more to the 1%. They just don't care.

[AZ Progressive]

58. Sociopathy is becoming an American value...

So disappointing...

[Lil Missy]

51. More bullshit. Based on a false premise.

Bernie lost. Time to move on with your life.

[Sejon]

62. We're waiting for an olive branch from Camp Clinton

So far, nothing. Just taunts and abuse. That's not the way to unify.

[Lil Missy]

115. an olive branch to who? to St Bernie supporters who

Have trashed her and everything she has accomplished for decades? Called her every vile name in the book? Accused her of the most treacherous motives and actions possible? Who swear they will never ever vote for HRC no matter what? Extend an olive branch to those people?

If you are NOT of that ilk, then let me be the first to offer you a sincere extending of my hand to you, with an olive branch included. If you are the type I described above, then why should anyone from Camp Hillary give you so much as the time of day?

[AZ Progressive]

119. Looks like someone here cares more about celebrity worship than the future of the country

And no, I'm not a Bernie supporter because of Bernie, I'm a Bernie supporter largely because I fear the future of this country, especially with big corporations threatening to turn America into a third world country with massive economic inequality like Mexico and various other countries around the world.

[Lil Missy]

136. That's ridiculous. no olive branch for you

[JoePhilly]

55. My.. my ... how the self-righteous pontificate.

Your nonsensical OPs are not helping your candidate in the least.

[BillZBubb]

79. How the willfully ignorant whine!

[coffeeAM]

57. No need to admit it, just read their posts.

[cherokeeprogressive]

60. JaneyVee says there will ALWAYS be a permanent underclass...

Of minimally paid people. She also says if they don't like it they're free to leave their jobs for higher pay.

"Of course there will always be a permanent underclass of...
Minimally compensated workers. But those workers are free to leave at any time for higher paying jobs."

Simple, really... some just haven't found their bootstraps yet.

[AZ Progressive]

61. These people should go back to the Republican Party...

Really, they are just moderate Republicans who are socially liberal.

[Hydra]

73. They aren't even socially liberal

LBGT supporters only if they happen to be LBGT or have loved ones in that situation. BLM = the devil after questioning Hillary. Abortion rights as a bargaining chip. Sexism only a thing when it helps their candidate.

Did I miss any of Camp Weathervain's latest lovely stances?

[BillZBubb]

81. It's so SIMPLE in Hillaryland!

Why didn't we think of that. Just go to a higher paying job!

[ThePhilosopher04]

139. That's what Republicans and right wingers always say

and she's supporting a right winger for President so not much of a surprise

[MrWendel]

65. ...

[Hydra]

68. As other posters have pointed out

Many of Team Hill have taken the mask off and said this is the goal, don't expect something different, they are happy with the status quo.

It's late stage capitalism, and it's not sustainable. They are killing people at the bottom to get their 1% Welfare money up there, either as a direct subsidy or as wages for servicing the 1%...but who cares? Those people who are dying? Useless eaters like me.

[Adrahil]

71. Just to be clear, economic security is NOT the same as equality equality.

I certainly favor economic security. I think everyone has a right to adequate housing, food,mhealth care, and education. But I do not think everybody should be economically equal.

[AZ Progressive]

75. We are talking about economic equality in the sense of the rich not being too rich and the poor...

having some form of economic security. The most well off countries (in terms of quality of living) are the ones that are the most economically equal. CEO salaries back in the 90's in Europe were in the mere hundreds of thousands of dollars rather than multimillions in America.

America used to believe in economic equality, which is why it made it really hard for people to get rich in the form of tax brackets as high as 91% on people making more than several hundred thousand / a million at one point (yes, there were cheats, but still it was a significant barrier to having too much money.)

[enid602]

85. inflation

How much economic security will bern deliver given the high inflation that will result from his proposals to greatly expand the role of Gov't, combined with his tendancy to loyally fund the military, and support military boondoggles that nenefit his state? Ask the people of Argentina and Venezuela how much fun inflation is.

[BillZBubb]

91. Wow another right wing meme! You righties are always warning

how liberals will cause inflation. Hillary's war with Iraq has cost trillions but no big inflation. And as if Hillary the Hawk will reduce military spending. You guys are so pathetic. It's almost funny if it weren't so sad.

[NanceGreggs]

90. A classic case of ...

... "according to DU".

According to DU, ALL Hillary supporters are wealthy, war-loving, corporate-embracing elitists who don't care about their fellow citizens, or the fate of the country as a whole. We all own fabulous homes, drive expensive cars, wear designer clothes, and have careers that pay us in the high six-figures per annum. We send our children to private schools, and can easily afford to put them through college, medical school, law school - whatever they desire - without breaking a sweat.

We vacation at least six times a year, belong to exclusive country clubs, and dine in five-star restaurants while our staff of servants tend to our landscaped grounds, maintain the pool, and clean our 18-room house.

We have absolutely no empathy for anyone, and tend to look down our noses at people who have less than we do. We think the homeless should be jailed so they don't clutter-up our gated communities, and believe that welfare recipients are moochers who are living like royalty on our dime.

We never even turn our minds to those living in poverty, the working poor, the injustice of the "judicial" system, the plight of immigrants, or the prejudice that exists towards AAs, POCs, Muslims, gays/lesbians - or anyone other than ourselves.

We think donating to charity is a scam to wrest our hard-earned millions out of our pockets so that it can be handed over to the lazy and the undeserving. We don't care about unrest in the Middle East or elsewhere, because "those people" mean nothing to us - and if that unrest should lead to war, we know that it will be someone else's kids who will fight that war, not ours.

Economic security? No, we're not interested. Being as ALL HRC supporters are heartless, cruel, and indifferent to the welfare of anyone other than themselves, we are far too busy sipping champagne while cruising the Riviera on our yachts to bother ourselves with such trivialities.

THAT is how you - and many posters here - see HRC supporters. So why don't YOU just say it? Why not just admit that you have divided HRC supporters and BS supporters into two categories - the selfish, uncaring "elitists" on one side, and the giving, caring, pure of heart on the other?

As for "sticking your middle finger to the idea of economic equality", you might want to lecture the BS supporters here about how declaring they won't vote for HRC in November is sticking THEIR middle finger up high and unashamedly to the idea of economic security for Americans - and only because if they can't have things THEIR way, fuck everyone who will suffer under a Trump presidency.

The blatant hypocrisy of those who claim to care about their fellow citizens, but would risk a Republican in the White House, is as obvious as it gets.

[BillZBubb]

92. You support the Third Way candidate. You are a conservative.

Own it. On economic issues and foreign policy you are a conservative. Face it.

You aren't the "liberal" you think you are. Deal with it.

[NanceGreggs]

96. Do you honestly believe ...

... that calling me a conservative - or anything else, for that matter - on a website makes it a fact?

And the really funny part about that is that you probably do believe that.

[BillZBubb]

97. I know you are a conservative, you don't. You need to deal with it.

Admitting your problem is the first step to healing.

[NanceGreggs]

98. Again, all I can say is ...

...

[BillZBubb]

101. Third Way is conservative. Hillary is Third Way. You support Hillary.

You are a conservative. But keep your head in the sand if it makes you happy.

[NanceGreggs]

104. Seriously, you're KILLIN' me!!!

[BillZBubb]

105. The pain of hiding your true nature of conservativism is what's killing you.

Come out of that conservative closet! You know you want to.

The Third Way was established to turn the Democratic party to the right on economic and foreign policy issues. Hillary was at the vanguard of the Third Way.

[NanceGreggs]

124. ...

Sorry for the repetition - but some comments just don't warrant anything more.

[Sparkly]

100. Who made you the arbiter of OTHER people's views

and self-identities and political classifications etc., not to mention the world's greatest mind-reader?

Just wondering. Was there a vote?

[BillZBubb]

102. Basic logic. Hillary is Third Way. Third Way is conservative.

If you support Hillary, you support conservative policy. You are a conservative.

You may not want to admit it, you may deny it, it may bother you, but it is a fact.

[Sparkly]

109. "It's a fact."

No, dear. It isn't.

[Lil Missy]

117. of course

[pampango]

93. Bernie supporter here. I don't think minorities and women who support Hillary believe

that "other people deserve to suffer just because they "didn't work hard enough to get a good education and rise up the economic ladder, and probably made a bunch of poor economic decisions."

They are the "other people". Nor are they so gullible as to not see what you see.

[Sparkly]

99. Unreal.

Are you F'ing kidding me?!?

[BillZBubb]

103. Very real. Deal with it.

[Sparkly]

110. I will.

You might need to start dealing with the results of the nomination process.

Enjoy!

[wildeyed]

107. Got a link for that?

You can't just make things up then claim they represent the views of MILLIONS of Clinton supporters.

[nini]

112. So. you think all Hillary supporters are economically better off and don't care about others?

[AZ Progressive]

113. Pot calling the kettle black, look at you guys with the Berniebro thing.

[anotherproletariat]

114. If you actually believe this line of reasoning, you should seriously look into the fact that you may

be brainwashed.

[AZ Progressive]

116. I don't have to be brainwashed, I just have a history of experiences to reinforce my ideas

Unfortunately for me I didn't born early enough to enjoy the postwar boom, not even the 90's boom. Yes I am one of those "under 45" Bernie supporters that have seen that Hillary's generation has an "I've got mine" attitude and has basically given the middle finger to the younger generations.

[The_Casual_Observer]

126. As if Bernie Sanders could fix anything.

[kevinmc]

128. You're insane or a Young Republican trolling n/t

[Norrin Radd]

131. kr

[senz]

140. K&R -- Thanks. Needed to be said.

It's what separates the old school Democrats/democrats from the DINO/DLC/Third Way pretenders.

[AZ Progressive]

141. I say to people here in the top 20%:

Should the bottom 80% have to suffer just to support the lifestyles of you people?

[Cosmic Kitten]

144. The 1% are entitled to all the money, don't cha know

Everyone else... fight for the table scraps